Related
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/24/htc-locks-down-incredible-s-against-custom-roms-too-starts-a-fi/
http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73423/htc-beveiligt-bootloader-nieuwe-android-toestellen.html
Why???
You have just been added next to Sony on my "Don't buy"-list.
Which phone will be the next HD2? LG?
***Update***:
Sony-Ericsson makes a tool to load custom roms onto their devices (http://tweakers.net/nieuws/73521/so...t-custom-roms-op-android-phones-mogelijk.html)
This is good news!
How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.
Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?
This was an interesting argument, to me: NOT that the phones aren't still crackable, but rather that HTC is giving into intimidation by Verizon.. and by doing so, it's signaling that they will bow down to carriers, yet even moreso, over end users who BUY THEIR PHONES and are their actual customers.
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You may not agree, but the "rebel" in me likes that argument at least....
When you combine this with HTC America's not honoring warranties, they are not making the best moves given their fractional market share and the massive competition getting stronger and stronger from Motorola and Samsung every day ---- though I love HTC's phones and have never cheated on them once!
But keep in mind HTC *owned* the entire turf of touchscreen devices during the mighty reign of Windows Mobile... Now? Today? They are practically an asterisk. And Motorola? They were gonners. People thought there were out of the game having fallen so far behind after nothing new since the RAZR. Then the new CEO came in, targeted Android as his platform for choice, they targeted the DROID as their re-entry vehicle, and they slammed into the touchscreen market and overtook HTC like a steamroller.
When you are playing on THAT kind of playing field, you're going to go messing with your most loyal customer base -- and kiss ass with a carrier? I think HTC is blundering all over the place -- all the while they continue to make fantastic phones. But fact remains, they cannot afford to even SIGHTLY ANNOY a loyal customer these days. Once someone goes Samsung or Motorola, I don't see a big love affair where they're going to comer back to HTC. So, they better watch it, from where I sit. It's not just as simple a matter as "but we can crack anything". That's missing the point entirely.
Is HTC dual mode? Are they just doing it in the US or all over. That's why I've never liked Verizon. Started years ago over ringtones and BitPim.
What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S, which from the specs on HTC's website, is a GSM phone so if this additional layer of security were a specific demand from VZW, there'd be no reason to add it to the Incredible S.
I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.
I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.
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I could be wrong, but I think the more likely answer for increasing security is to reduce warranty claims and support calls from would-be phone hackers accidentally bricking them.
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I'm with this. Go to any Android phone dev section and you see tons of people returning phones for replacement because they goof up flashing it.
I didn't realize this was posted already, I had just posted this in another section, I had said a week ago that it might be the end of an era with HTC locking down their phones, this sucks.
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I wouldn't be at all surprised if this is just pressure from the carriers rather than HTC itself.
Regardless, i am disappoint!
I hope they dont do this, we need customization!
it does suck, theyll be another motorola now, except sense still owns blur lol
No no no no no. :'( this sucks. I love htc and the OPENNESS of android. Why I DIDN'T go with Motorola for an android device.
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we need to apeal to htc to please not do this!!
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What gives that person the impression that Verizon had anything to do with it? They're using the same security in the Incredible S...
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Exactly.
Even if HTC were to start locking the bootloader at the behest of one particular network (and frankly, I find the notion that any one network would have enough clout to try and impose such measures questionable, to say the least), there'd be no reason for HTC to do this to all their handsets.
This is a decision HTC have made themselves.
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I doubt increasing security will hurt HTC sales at all. I'm thinking the majority of HTC phone users do NOT root their phones or hack them. Sure, XDA members do, but the average Joe? I don't think so. The percentage of people who buy HTC just because it's hackable is probably a pretty miniscule amount compared to the big picture.
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Also true - XDA may be big but it doesn't compare to the number of phones being sold.
Heck, there are more than 3 times as many Galaxy S handsets have been sold as XDA-devs' entire membership and that's just one of a miscellany of handsets this place caters for.
man i hope somebody talks some sense into them
This is bonkers what are they doing this for?
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How much more secured is this than the traditional S-ON/S-OFF? I guess I don't really understand to what extent this new security changes over the old.
Also, it's already cracked on the Thunderbolt so likey can be repeated on the Incredible S. If it's crackable, isn't that all that matters?
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Well I don't know for sure, but when you hook up you phone to your computer and flash it, your computer and phone will communicate with each other, and the computer will tell the phone what the new rom will be. Now, the people here at xda only have to figure out how to tell the phone what the new rom is.
But with this new security, not only do will we have to figure out how to tell it, we also have to answer the phones question to the computer, what the password is to flash it. This password is only known to HTC.
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I was thinking the same thing. The new devices with be unlocked and made available to the people who'll use them.
If HTC locked the phones like Motorola does, then there will be no further HTC gadgets for me.
I didn't buy Motorola because of the same reason.
Every time they make a "secure lock" it takes all of a week to open and rewrite
IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.
This is phase and as such, will pass
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IF they did make it uncrackable, according to the Supreme court decision it would violate ownership rights.
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I think you need to re-read that.
The Supreme Court said it wasn't illegal to hack/tweak/modify software such as rooting/jail-breaking but that doesn't magically give you a right to do so.
If end-users have the right to modify their handsets, how do Motorola get away with their encrypted bootloader?
This is totally insane!!
How can this even be considered!
An extract follows:
"As strange as it might seem, U.S. Circuit Judge Richard Posner has ordered Google and Motorola to hand over development details of the Android operating system to Apple.Not only that, but Motorola Mobility must also provide Apple information regarding its pending acquisition by Google.The reason for this is the ongoing patent lawsuit filed by Apple back in 2010 against Motorola. To try and handle the situation, Motorola’s attorney responded to the judge’s demand:Google’s employees and documents are not within the ‘possession, custody, or control’ of Motorola, and Motorola cannot force Google to produce documents or witnesses over Google’s objections"
http://alltechsecrets.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/u-s-judge-orders-google-and-motorola-to-give-apple-their-android-development-secrets/
I'm waiting to see more details about what information they are supposed to give up, I don't think it's anything from the development of present or future Android code or anything like that, it just doesn't make sense...
Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.
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Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.
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However, they will still sell a gazillion iPhones and iPads. I personally don't like either (and pretty much hate them) however, they're obviously not bad, I just don't like the way Apple does things and Android feels much much better, from Google's side and specially from the community's side, it's just amazing what people (devs) can do with a few lines of code, I'm currently running ICS on my Motorola Defy, and it works a million times better than the stock Froyo!
I think than in a not too distant future, Apple will make some sort of change getting closer to the way Android does things, not only copying things like the notification bar, but with the release cycle for updates, and maybe even licensing the OS, obviously not now, but in a few years, I think it's a possibility if Android keeps gaining market share
I totally agree on the end product being great hardware, just the way they conduct business.
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It's a absolute joke this if google has to hand there's it's only rite for apple to be forced into handing there's aswell. Apple are a disgrace to technology! I can't wait for the day apple fails again,Microsoft should of ended apple when they had the chance!
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I have the iPhone and Sony experia play and apple is a embarrassment of a company, and how it's being run! and there not doing themselfs any favors going after all these companies.
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Steve Jobs favorite quote "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Can someone please lock up these blatant thieves. How is it possible that we have allowed Apple and other large corporations to completely abuse the USPO and the courts. They same companies that cry about piracy, also use the courts to protect their piracy. Hollywood steals ideas all the time, Crapple steals over and over again from everyone, music companies steal from artists, but we the people are the problem. Funny how the system is just a bunch of very rich people who have the right to guarantee they will get richer by stealing and then using our own courts against us and against free enterprise. This is criminal.
Bow down to Crapple. If you don't comply we will make you. We have the right to do what we want, even if it is a crime.
PS Apple didn't invent the majority of the patents they hold, they just stole them and the courts (wink wink) approved.
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Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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Don't count on U.S. judges to rule in favor of private property rights. They're kinda trending away from that. I just hope legislators don't make it a law that everyone must purchase iPhones. The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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atljatl said:
The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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Like Health Care????
85gallon said:
Like Health Care????
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.... Perhaps.
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I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.
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I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.
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Why not? This isn't even part of the the normal copying of features (which I would question actually calling theft): apple is trying to force google to hand over their future plans. This is more or less the equivalent of corporate espionage.
Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.
wtfunk
85gallon said:
Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
Rio pmp300.
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My mind just got blown away.... thank you
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Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.
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Hmmm except ciq is nothing to do with google and it affected ios too.
Dave
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The rest of the points still stand and it's still android devices stealing user info. Perhaps I'm biased because I was one of few who wasn't concerned about CIQ, being a wp7 user and all.
If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!
galaxys said:
If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!
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Haha, thanks. I needed a good laugh.
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18705285
As a result of the nexus ban google announced today that they will change android features such as its search function as well as other unspecified changes.
This has been apples goal by litigating, to get android itself changed, to make it appear a feature lacking sub standard rival.
It also means further court cases could result in more changes, it's a shame apple can only look good by litigating against their competition.
More details at http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...o-overcome-a-possible-galaxy-nexus-sales-ban/ which says that search results will be web pages only and no local information will be returned in searches.
This seems to mean siri who can give out local results (a feature apparently patented by apple) will seem better than googles offering. No idea what else will change but it seems apples plan is starting to pay off and change android itself to make it less threatening.
This shouldn't affect european users as we don't allow software patents, and it won't affect current non google devices, but it does mean from now on android itself will be lacking certain things and as stock android is affected this means all androids in future that use jellybean or higher may also be affected.
Dave
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I'm sorry for everyone in the US but the big question for us is, will google be developing two version of android?
One full blown for the rest of the world and one half-arsed for the US?
EDIT: I also would like to know why google doesn't apply their patent for the notification system?
This mess is ridiculous. F Apple forever. I won't so much as touch an Apple device anymore.
MissionImprobable said:
This mess is ridiculous. F Apple forever. I won't so much as touch an Apple device anymore.
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+1 :good:
mojo22 said:
I'm sorry for everyone in the US but the big question for us is, will google be developing two version of android?
One full blown for the rest of the world and one half-arsed for the US?
EDIT: I also would like to know why google doesn't apply their patent for the notification system?
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Google can't apply their patent as it has not been granted, only applied for, and therefore cannot be infringed.
Google being a US company I think if they allowed two versions that apple would find a way to litigate because it would still be a US company violating a US patent if the software was developed in america.
Dave
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I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
As big as google is, and as much "stuff" as they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Google owns Apple in the future. I mean come on... Apple made a tablet, Google made a car that drives itself.
Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -Corporations- and Lawsuits.
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Fixed it for you. Its a corporate world.
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Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
As big as google is, and as much "stuff" as they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Google owns Apple in the future. I mean come on... Apple made a tablet, Google made a car that drives itself.
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The problem is that google now own motorolas patents which are essential to phones but can't be with-held even if not paid for because they are frand.
Indeed a german court ruled that despite apple not paying their fees motorola can't use these same patents against them and so google can't use their most powerful weapon precisely because it is so important that courts rule it cannot be with held.
It is worse in usa though due to allowing software patents.
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Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
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All it takes is for someone to cry 'foul' get their feelings hurt and cry for mommy and daddy, or government, to fix it; then the system gets messed up and we lose freedoms one by one.
Now here we are, celebrating Government Dependance Day!
I remeber one ooooold movie: "Escape from New York" with Kurt Russel............
mistermentality said:
Google can't apply their patent as it has not been granted, only applied for, and therefore cannot be infringed.
Google being a US company I think if they allowed two versions that apple would find a way to litigate because it would still be a US company violating a US patent if the software was developed in america.
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What are frand patents?
Why can't google europe...or google UK, google france etc. release the software on our play store?
Hear me out for a second. IF this google now, google voice thing that is banned from the states become a apk...or simple APP that can be downloaded and installed 'only for europe' supposedly, and released by this side of the world. Why would that be violating the patent?
Then ultimately US member could install it as well which will be out of Google (US) control.
Surely there is a way around this...
Apple wins even when they lose see below
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/us/david-gelernter-discusses-patent-claim-against-apple.html?_r=3
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mojo22 said:
What are frand patents?
Why can't google europe...or google UK, google france etc. release the software on our play store?
Hear me out for a second. IF this google now, google voice thing that is banned from the states become a apk...or simple APP that can be downloaded and installed 'only for europe' supposedly, and released by this side of the world. Why would that be violating the patent?
Then ultimately US member could install it as well which will be out of Google (US) control.
Surely there is a way around this...
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Frand patents are patents essential to a product, meaning if the patent holder refuses to let others use the patents then no one else could easily make a competing product.
As a result europe make sure the frand licence (short for fair, reasonable and non discriminatory) is applied which means they must be allowed to be used providing those using the patents pay royalties.
Regarding the voice search being available unchanged in europe I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong but logically as google would be still developing it in usa and are usa based, where the court ruling applies, they would still be developing something they legally agreed not to and therefore would still in violation.
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Seriously Apple?
the use of a single search interface - such as Siri - to retrieve information from a range of systems using a number of techniques
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-I'm pretty sure that is how Google has been doing things on their search engine for years. Yes there were other search engines before Google but thats not the point.
the use of a sliding gesture to unlock a touchscreen device
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-It hasn't been sliding since Gingerbread, and even if it was its been around in the analog world for hundreds of years.
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-This has been around in Windows Mobile for at least 10 years and possibly Palm as well. Its far from revolutionary.
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Seriously Apple?
-I'm pretty sure that is how Google has been doing things on their search engine for years. Yes there were other search engines before Google but thats not the point.
-It hasn't been sliding since Gingerbread, and even if it was its been around in the analog world for hundreds of years.
-This has been around in Windows Mobile for at least 10 years and possibly Palm as well. Its far from revolutionary.
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I already posted this but i feel i have to post it again
Slide to unlock, see with your eyes, was invented long time ago and was working perfectly on this ancient windows mobile device (if i'm not wrong it was 3 years before the first iphone, uh!)
go to min 4, enjoy
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it
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I already posted this but i feel i have to post it again
Slide to unlock, see with your eyes, was invented long time ago and was working perfectly on this ancient windows mobile device (if i'm not wrong it was 3 years before the first iphone, uh!)
go to min 4, enjoy
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it
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Its an analog concept implemented digitally just like computer folders. Meaning its not a new idea, its an existing idea being implemented in a new medium.
So we have all these previous examples of "prior art" and "essentials" to any smartphone/touchscreen phone. Are the Samsung lawyers really that dim/stupid or is Judge Koh not the so called "fair" honorable judge that has ruled for Android/against Apple in the past?
Koh is being paid by Apple
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Koh is being paid by Apple
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From all this I'm reading its starting to look like apple pays off a lot of people such as the judge who ruled against the professor who was blown up by the unabomber despite winning the jury's vote and having a email from Steve jobs requesting to talk about using his technology... dude how many people are in the us on xda? How many people would it take to petition to remove the law that allows software patents? Its bull**** that apple can try to monopolize the cell phone market especially when most features were around long before they got their patents.. I think if we got millions of people to petition this it couldn't go unnoticed to say the least.. not saying it would change but drawing as much attention as possible is how to start a change right?
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Koh is being paid by Apple
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Agreed, and this is coming frome a Mac and iPad enthusiast.
I had a very grim realization today about the true meaning of the Apple vs. Samsung trial. Apple is suing Samsung because Apple believes that Samsung has copied its iPhone. Apple claims that customers confuse Samsung products with Apple products. However, the case is not just between Samsung and Apple. It is between the Apple corporation and the Android ecosystem.
If Samsung loses the case then it will be forced to pay billions of dollars to Apple in damage costs. However, the case will not end there. What is to stop Apple from suing the rest of the Android makers (HTC, Motorola and others) ?…Nothing.
..... http://techdigy.com/2012/08/17/latest-news/if-samsung-loses-android-dies/
Why didn't Google just sue apple when they made the first iPhone anyway cause the G1 was the FIRST REAL SMARTPHONE
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Think this is an exaggeration. There are many other things to consider. This trial is only for US devices, is probably most damaging against touchwiz, and apple is already litigating against the other manufacturers anyway. Googorola may be enacting a plan right now to force a patent pool/cross licensing deal. Even if Samsung were to get hit, it was already starting to dangerously monopolize android; a marginalization would give the other OEMs a (small) chance to pick up the slack. The greatest danger is that Samsung, by failing to invalidate the patents, strengthens them.
In the worst case scenario, Android dies within a few years, but even here the prognosis is not so terrible. It would pave the way for the next big thing (hopefully either open-standards OS's like Firefox or finally a desktop-class OS as smartphones become more powerful).
It seems every aspect of our daily lives has doom sayers now. Its the end of the world, its the end of consol gaming, its the end of Androids, etc, how many times did some one say linus our windows or Mac were about to die out
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It's hard to say android gnna fail without samsung:thumbdown:
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Chicken Little was wrong too. . .
No way. At worst, Samsung would have to pay a licensing fee to Apple for every version released. Being that Android is open source software based upon Linux, it would continue onward.
Android dies? I dnt think so.
Look at here, there are many android brand.
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Sorry but the statement 'If Samsung Loses, Android Dies' is a logical fallacy. That implies that if Samsung lose they will go out of business or stop using the Android operating system on their smartphones and the same will happen with every other smartphone manufacturer, which you can't say. Whilst not impossible is extremely improbable.
Looking at pictures of Samsung's products evolving after Apple released a product it does look like they copied their design and my personal opinion is that they have a case against Samsung and I would not be surprised to see Samsung lose. I'm sure Samsung have a contingency plan in place in case they lose and anyway the trial only affects their presence in the US. The outcome in another country could very well be different to the outcome in the US.
Apple have already sued or taken some form of legal action against quite a lot of Android smartphone manufacturers so the outcome of this case will not change Apple's stance in taking legal action against its competitors.
There has been a lot lately about the death of Android being near and big bad Apple going to be the downfall of it but people seem to forget Android is an open source operating system and has several manufacturers who install Android on their phone whilst Apple is only 1 single manufacturer. Android will live on (at least for a few more years) because its open source, look at Linux its still around even though Microsoft have tried so hard to get rid of it. The beauty about Open source software is that if their is a strong community behind it like Android has here in xda-developers ( 4.5million members and always around 40,000 online (whenever I am at least)) and the many other Android forums and blogs around and the 1million (if I remember correctly) people who watched Google I/O it will continue to live on.
Maybe Samsung losing is a good thing for Android, maybe it will lead to increased sales for some of the other Android manufacturers which means they can invest more into R&D and possibly make better smartphones or strides than Samsung can.
Who knows what will happen? Lets just wait and see what happens and enjoy the show while we can.
Kavrocks said:
Sorry but the statement 'If Samsung Loses, Android Dies' is a logical fallacy. That implies that if Samsung lose they will go out of business or stop using the Android operating system on their smartphones and the same will happen with every other smartphone manufacturer, which you can't say. Whilst not impossible is extremely improbable.
Looking at pictures of Samsung's products evolving after Apple released a product it does look like they copied their design and my personal opinion is that they have a case against Samsung and I would not be surprised to see Samsung lose. I'm sure Samsung have a contingency plan in place in case they lose and anyway the trial only affects their presence in the US. The outcome in another country could very well be different to the outcome in the US.
Apple have already sued or taken some form of legal action against quite a lot of Android smartphone manufacturers so the outcome of this case will not change Apple's stance in taking legal action against its competitors.
There has been a lot lately about the death of Android being near and big bad Apple going to be the downfall of it but people seem to forget Android is an open source operating system and has several manufacturers who install Android on their phone whilst Apple is only 1 single manufacturer. Android will live on (at least for a few more years) because its open source, look at Linux its still around even though Microsoft have tried so hard to get rid of it. The beauty about Open source software is that if their is a strong community behind it like Android has here in xda-developers ( 4.5million members and always around 40,000 online (whenever I am at least)) and the many other Android forums and blogs around and the 1million (if I remember correctly) people who watched Google I/O it will continue to live on.
Maybe Samsung losing is a good thing for Android, maybe it will lead to increased sales for some of the other Android manufacturers which means they can invest more into R&D and possibly make better smartphones or strides than Samsung can.
Who knows what will happen? Lets just wait and see what happens and enjoy the show while we can.
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Another ics thread seriously man
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Guess I should relabel for Noobs.
While i agree with most of the article you shared with us , some reasons were insufficient.
In a carefully planned business , nothing is impossible.
For example , Google can force Open Handset Alliance to develop a Universal UI and whenever a new kernel comes aboard you just paste the universal ui into the new kernel. This is beneficial for everybody. Updates will take less long and customers will be happier. (Carriers will be pressured to speed things up)
Or Google can take the matter into its own hands by going to the hardware manufacturers and obtaining the necessary information for drivers thus saving the manufacturers from unnecessary work. Google gets more customers and Device Manufacturers get more money.
But what do i know ?
Google is a big corporation. Big corporations always have plans and their backups.
As far as i pretend to know , Google already has plans that are waiting to be put in motion after eliminating all the bugs.
Just you wait... IOS will be nothing more than ash and ruins in no time. Open-Source is the future and the way to go.
boltthrower56 said:
While i agree with most of the article you shared with us , some reasons were insufficient.
In a carefully planned business , nothing is impossible.
For example , Google can force Open Handset Alliance to develop a Universal UI and whenever a new kernel comes aboard you just paste the universal ui into the new kernel. This is beneficial for everybody. Updates will take less long and customers will be happier. (Carriers will be pressured to speed things up)
Or Google can take the matter into its own hands by going to the hardware manufacturers and obtaining the necessary information for drivers thus saving the manufacturers from unnecessary work. Google gets more customers and Device Manufacturers get more money.
But what do i know ?
Google is a big corporation. Big corporations always have plans and their backups.
As far as i pretend to know , Google already has plans that are waiting to be put in motion after eliminating all the bugs.
Just you wait... IOS will be nothing more than ash and ruins in no time. Open-Source is the future and the way to go.
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You're forgetting about the free market. Every phone has different components from different manufacturers from all around the world. Putting that kind of pressure on companies will only help the major brand names. You don't expect Windows 8 to install on the XP machine you got in 2001, do you? So why are we asking for the latest Android release for a phone we bought last summer? 18 months might not seem like a long time, but in terms of the technology and innovation that has come out within that time, 18 months is a long time.
Fragmentation is an issue, but its unrealistic to expect Google to force every company to keep up with their innovations.
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You're forgetting about the free market. Every phone has different components from different manufacturers from all around the world. Putting that kind of pressure on companies will only help the major brand names. You don't expect Windows 8 to install on the XP machine you got in 2001, do you? So why are we asking for the latest Android release for a phone we bought last summer? 18 months might not seem like a long time, but in terms of the technology and innovation that has come out within that time, 18 months is a long time.
Fragmentation is an issue, but its unrealistic to expect Google to force every company to keep up with their innovations.
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Those were the solutions i came up within a minute or so. They'll have bugs of course.
Also , not necessarily "Google". There can be other solutions.
The thing i tried to explain was , it's not impossible or unrealistic as you seem to think so.
The expectations create competition. Someone's gonna do it , we switch to that brand. The other brand will lose sales and will soon follow in it's example.
Sympathy for corporations will get you nowhere as a consumer , as corporations already look out for themselves.
You should look out for yourself by pressuring corporations to provide better service however impossible or unrealistic that may be.
A wise man once said ; If you thank for the small one , you can't get the big one.