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Apple get google to change android

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18705285
As a result of the nexus ban google announced today that they will change android features such as its search function as well as other unspecified changes.
This has been apples goal by litigating, to get android itself changed, to make it appear a feature lacking sub standard rival.
It also means further court cases could result in more changes, it's a shame apple can only look good by litigating against their competition.
More details at http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...o-overcome-a-possible-galaxy-nexus-sales-ban/ which says that search results will be web pages only and no local information will be returned in searches.
This seems to mean siri who can give out local results (a feature apparently patented by apple) will seem better than googles offering. No idea what else will change but it seems apples plan is starting to pay off and change android itself to make it less threatening.
This shouldn't affect european users as we don't allow software patents, and it won't affect current non google devices, but it does mean from now on android itself will be lacking certain things and as stock android is affected this means all androids in future that use jellybean or higher may also be affected.
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I'm sorry for everyone in the US but the big question for us is, will google be developing two version of android?
One full blown for the rest of the world and one half-arsed for the US?
EDIT: I also would like to know why google doesn't apply their patent for the notification system?

This mess is ridiculous. F Apple forever. I won't so much as touch an Apple device anymore.

MissionImprobable said:
This mess is ridiculous. F Apple forever. I won't so much as touch an Apple device anymore.
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+1 :good:

mojo22 said:
I'm sorry for everyone in the US but the big question for us is, will google be developing two version of android?
One full blown for the rest of the world and one half-arsed for the US?
EDIT: I also would like to know why google doesn't apply their patent for the notification system?
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Google can't apply their patent as it has not been granted, only applied for, and therefore cannot be infringed.
Google being a US company I think if they allowed two versions that apple would find a way to litigate because it would still be a US company violating a US patent if the software was developed in america.
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I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
As big as google is, and as much "stuff" as they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Google owns Apple in the future. I mean come on... Apple made a tablet, Google made a car that drives itself.

Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -Corporations- and Lawsuits.
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Fixed it for you. Its a corporate world.
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Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
As big as google is, and as much "stuff" as they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Google owns Apple in the future. I mean come on... Apple made a tablet, Google made a car that drives itself.
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The problem is that google now own motorolas patents which are essential to phones but can't be with-held even if not paid for because they are frand.
Indeed a german court ruled that despite apple not paying their fees motorola can't use these same patents against them and so google can't use their most powerful weapon precisely because it is so important that courts rule it cannot be with held.
It is worse in usa though due to allowing software patents.
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Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
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All it takes is for someone to cry 'foul' get their feelings hurt and cry for mommy and daddy, or government, to fix it; then the system gets messed up and we lose freedoms one by one.
Now here we are, celebrating Government Dependance Day!

I remeber one ooooold movie: "Escape from New York" with Kurt Russel............

mistermentality said:
Google can't apply their patent as it has not been granted, only applied for, and therefore cannot be infringed.
Google being a US company I think if they allowed two versions that apple would find a way to litigate because it would still be a US company violating a US patent if the software was developed in america.
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What are frand patents?
Why can't google europe...or google UK, google france etc. release the software on our play store?
Hear me out for a second. IF this google now, google voice thing that is banned from the states become a apk...or simple APP that can be downloaded and installed 'only for europe' supposedly, and released by this side of the world. Why would that be violating the patent?
Then ultimately US member could install it as well which will be out of Google (US) control.
Surely there is a way around this...

Apple wins even when they lose see below
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/us/david-gelernter-discusses-patent-claim-against-apple.html?_r=3
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mojo22 said:
What are frand patents?
Why can't google europe...or google UK, google france etc. release the software on our play store?
Hear me out for a second. IF this google now, google voice thing that is banned from the states become a apk...or simple APP that can be downloaded and installed 'only for europe' supposedly, and released by this side of the world. Why would that be violating the patent?
Then ultimately US member could install it as well which will be out of Google (US) control.
Surely there is a way around this...
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Frand patents are patents essential to a product, meaning if the patent holder refuses to let others use the patents then no one else could easily make a competing product.
As a result europe make sure the frand licence (short for fair, reasonable and non discriminatory) is applied which means they must be allowed to be used providing those using the patents pay royalties.
Regarding the voice search being available unchanged in europe I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong but logically as google would be still developing it in usa and are usa based, where the court ruling applies, they would still be developing something they legally agreed not to and therefore would still in violation.
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Seriously Apple?
the use of a single search interface - such as Siri - to retrieve information from a range of systems using a number of techniques
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-I'm pretty sure that is how Google has been doing things on their search engine for years. Yes there were other search engines before Google but thats not the point.
the use of a sliding gesture to unlock a touchscreen device
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-It hasn't been sliding since Gingerbread, and even if it was its been around in the analog world for hundreds of years.
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a text input interface that tries to anticipate which words the user wants to type and makes recommendations
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-This has been around in Windows Mobile for at least 10 years and possibly Palm as well. Its far from revolutionary.

spunker88 said:
Seriously Apple?
-I'm pretty sure that is how Google has been doing things on their search engine for years. Yes there were other search engines before Google but thats not the point.
-It hasn't been sliding since Gingerbread, and even if it was its been around in the analog world for hundreds of years.
-This has been around in Windows Mobile for at least 10 years and possibly Palm as well. Its far from revolutionary.
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I already posted this but i feel i have to post it again
Slide to unlock, see with your eyes, was invented long time ago and was working perfectly on this ancient windows mobile device (if i'm not wrong it was 3 years before the first iphone, uh!)
go to min 4, enjoy
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it

xdaid said:
I already posted this but i feel i have to post it again
Slide to unlock, see with your eyes, was invented long time ago and was working perfectly on this ancient windows mobile device (if i'm not wrong it was 3 years before the first iphone, uh!)
go to min 4, enjoy
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it
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Its an analog concept implemented digitally just like computer folders. Meaning its not a new idea, its an existing idea being implemented in a new medium.

So we have all these previous examples of "prior art" and "essentials" to any smartphone/touchscreen phone. Are the Samsung lawyers really that dim/stupid or is Judge Koh not the so called "fair" honorable judge that has ruled for Android/against Apple in the past?

Koh is being paid by Apple

domnic619 said:
Koh is being paid by Apple
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From all this I'm reading its starting to look like apple pays off a lot of people such as the judge who ruled against the professor who was blown up by the unabomber despite winning the jury's vote and having a email from Steve jobs requesting to talk about using his technology... dude how many people are in the us on xda? How many people would it take to petition to remove the law that allows software patents? Its bull**** that apple can try to monopolize the cell phone market especially when most features were around long before they got their patents.. I think if we got millions of people to petition this it couldn't go unnoticed to say the least.. not saying it would change but drawing as much attention as possible is how to start a change right?
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domnic619 said:
Koh is being paid by Apple
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Agreed, and this is coming frome a Mac and iPad enthusiast.

The real dollar cost of Apples US court case to android users

In yet another Apple lawsuit in the US, and yes it's against Samsung, Apple have listed several of their patents and what they want in compensation.
Aside from $2.25 billion for lost profits they say Samsung caused by misleading people with their copied look they also list the royalties they are demanding for use of their patents. Thought it might be interesting to see just how much (financially) a successful result for Apple will cost the end user.
Bear in mind that to use Samsungs patents Apple have offered just half a cent per unit even though Samsung own a number of standard essential patents. Apple want the following per unit from Samsung for each device sold....
$2.02 for allowing Samsung to use "overbounce" patent (the bit where your phone pings back when reaching the end of a gallery for example)
$3.10 for the scrolling api patent
$2.02 for allowing Samsung users to tap their screen in order to zoom in or out, or navigate
$24 for allowing Samsung to have devices that look similar
That's over thirty dollars per device. If they win (and as it is Judge Koh presiding it's very likely they will) then the end price of Samsungs android products will have to go up to incorporate this and it means that end users will end up paying more and getting hit in the pocket for what are surely implausibly high royalties.
How can Apple pay just half of one cent yet expect over thirty dollars in return?
Apple ceo Tim Cook said "we just want other people to invent their own stuff" recently but it looks like what they actually want is to make up their less than expected profit shortfall by picking on their best selling rivals until they can bring out the all singing all dancing iphone 5, at which point presumably they will then also sue Samsung for having a large screen phone
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http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/apple-seeks-25-billion-in-damages-from.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/uk-apple-samsung-damages-idUKBRE86N17E20120724

This is an outrage against Americans; please see the thread I made about starting a petition against many of the injustices Apple is doing. We cant let this go on so easily. Sad to see no one is chiming in. Its an open topic

96shox said:
This is an outrage against Americans; please see the thread I made about starting a petition against many of the injustices Apple is doing. We cant let this go on so easily. Sad to see no one is chiming in. Its an open topic
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The problem is that it would also impact all non american users to as it is a per unit cost applied to all units not (I think) just ones sold in america.
Not seen your thread, but as am not american can't sign american petitions although I would have thought you would have to petition your congressmen, or is that who you mean? I was assuming you meant petition apple.
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Ohhhhh yeah. What do you expect. The Law is the Law! In the US that is common tool for making money. If they allow it, then it will hit the Courts.
Beside that Samsung has some money for rainy days ( from using the cheap plastic )
I am a proud apple hater but that doesn't change the facts. If Samsung overcharge us ( and i don't believe that ) we have another options like HTC, Moto, LG etc.
I simply can't understand why are you so concerned about? Sammy is a big boy and can look after himself. Make some popcorn put on the local "Court" channel and watch the game

No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!

deedscreen said:
No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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H O L Y HELL
What is wrong the patent system? How can someone get a patent to ELECTRONIC LISTS?! Makes no sense at all what is going on with these patents. "songs in music libraries"? Where ELSE would you have songs, in electronic lists? Which is again patented. Someone has to be getting paid on the inside, right?

The real cost to users is probably incalculable; increasing uncertainty causes less incentives for R&D, funds for which are diverted to dealing with the lawsuits in the first place.
In the long-term, this is a good thing: the more obvious the bull**** and harm to consumers, the more likely some drastic change would occur. Knowing humans, however, it could take several decades.

deedscreen said:
No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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I am not sayin "TOLD'YA".
Ohhhhhh i am so gona get some chips and a bottle of whiskey to swalow all that bull..................... LOL

How good can this get?
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25984...spiration.html

fayosi said:
How good can this get?
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25984...spiration.html
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Hey links not working
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i will say, i'd rather pay more to get the android in protest than buy anything from apple. i hope their tactics and what they are doing now will be the death knell in the future.

Android kills iPhone
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iluatutu said:
Android kills iPhone
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Very informative post. I am glad that you made your point clear :banghead:
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chaki- said:
Ohhhhh yeah. What do you expect. The Law is the Law! In the US that is common tool for making money. If they allow it, then it will hit the Courts.
Beside that Samsung has some money for rainy days ( from using the cheap plastic )
I am a proud apple hater but that doesn't change the facts. If Samsung overcharge us ( and i don't believe that ) we have another options like HTC, Moto, LG etc.
I simply can't understand why are you so concerned about? Sammy is a big boy and can look after himself. Make some popcorn put on the local "Court" channel and watch the game
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Because Apple will go after them as well once samsung is taken care of, Hell they already have been. If Samsung falls do you think Apple is going to let anyone else fill that gap?
Also if Samsung falls it means Apple has a precedent as being able to successfully sue over generic shallow patents. Everyones prices will rise, not just Samsungs.
I dont thinks Apple should get royalties for basic designs and tech they did not invent

hungry81 said:
Because Apple will go after them as well once samsung is taken care of, Hell they already have been. If Samsung falls do you think Apple is going to let anyone else fill that gap?
Also if Samsung falls it means Apple has a precedent as being able to successfully sue over generic shallow patents. Everyones prices will rise, not just Samsungs.
I dont thinks Apple should get royalties for basic designs and tech they did not invent
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This.
Plus, because the apple patents they now have are vital to any mobile os (displaying documents on screen, using icons and widgets, touching a screen to input data, etcetera) but not under frand terms apple can refuse to allow their use and force phones using these features off the market.
And we're talking about a company who sued a grocer for having an apple as part of their logo so don't think that apple won't sue android out of existence if they can. They will.
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Petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/app...nk&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
SPREAD the word!

Feel free to sign that, but make sure to sign the petition on https://defendinnovation.org/
It's nearing 10,000. They have been successful in the past and put in the legwork to get the petitions where they need to go.

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung
Rounded corners, can't do that, Apple OWNS the rounded cornered rectangle. Much hate for Apple. Will never buy one of their products, ever.
They are making less choices for us and jacking prices. Worse yet, if this stands they'll probably go after Google and the Droid OS.
Thoughts? Comments?
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apple is the best.

BaconStep said:
apple is the best.
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lol

Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-sleeping-giant-may-have-awoken/
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UZ7 said:
Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,

Anyone wonder how many of the jurors had iPhones?
Hey guys, remember when Apple invented smartphones? And music?
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madmajd said:
or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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Agreed, now that Jobs is gone, I don't see their innovation level holding. People like Apple for is simplicity though. Most people are lazy and want things simple.
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madmajd said:
or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
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As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it

Bet everyone in the jury are apple owners
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Apple's a spoiled child used to all the attention, and Samsung is the newborn baby brother that now gets the attention. No matter which way this case goes, us as a consumer are gonna lose out. Apple went after Samsung because they were dominating the market. Next, they'll probably come at HTC. And it'll be that way until Apple gets the attention back.
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whosgotlag said:
It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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shaggyskunk said:
And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Microsoft owns a patent for file truncation. A patent for shortening a file name to make it easier to read. Every company has ****ty patents
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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I get what you're saying but suing doesn't "head off" anything. It just adds to the pile of crap that is the patent industry. MS, Google, Kodak all have patents that shouldn't exist
Everyone needs to take off their Android glasses for a second. In terms of following the law this was an open and shut case.
Samsung had a 100 page smoking gun document that said "Apples phone is awesome, let's do what they're doing."
Touchwiz is a very blatant ripoff of iPhone UI.
They should have lost the case, but it is true the case should never have been in court.
Unfortunately all the patents were ruled valid, so this will keep happening.
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whosgotlag said:
It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.

madmajd said:
You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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Red herring. Research in Motion is losing money because it's operating system sucks along with its tiny screen and keyboard.
The outward design of iPhone and Android is essentially the same, and they both target their DIFFERENT audiences effectively.
Those who own an iPhone do not want an Android. For the majority its not a question of what Android has to offer over iOS. Its not that they dont know about Android. They just don't like it.
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Samsung blatantly copied design cues from apple so I agree Sammy deserved to get hit but some of those design patents are bull**** bounce back, rectangle with rounded corners those are insane
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It's all a money issue. I'm so glad I moved away from the darkside of phones. I liked my iPhone for the years I had it, but I could see my LOVE for Android instantly after I bought my Skyrocket. Apple is such a powerful company and they have some of the best lawyers money can buy. They put so much legalese in thier contracts and patenting. It's ridiculous.

madmajd said:
You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.

Most iPhone owners who aren't technologically inept go with their iPhone over Android with this being their huge argument.....Security. JB does make a tremendous progress in eliminating the laggyness that has been known to plague Android OS and does make it oh so smooth when working your way through all the features and apps. The main drawback to most still is security and how Apple does such a great job of securing accounts and identity on their devices. I for one can't stand that apple won this verdict but I don't think they will stop Samsung, but I'm sure they weren't expecting to. My guess is they waited to find the result of this case to buy them precious time to where they can unveil the iPhone5 to give them a large window to attempt to establish a landslide victory while freezing out its competition and running solo campaigns to gain more users.
It's like some douchebag person who is filthy rich and is going after a girl who likes you and you're not as well off. That person will do what they can and spend all kinds of money because they know you don't have as deep of pockets to even the playing field. He may not destroy you totally win or lose but he definitely succeeds in throwing dirt on your name and add some clout. Just my $0.02
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mostyle said:
You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.
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I agree 100%.
Apple is more like living in a communist regime. Steve Jobs has been famous for saying it as his motto "You don't tell us what you want, we tell you."

Just wondering aren't practicality 80% of all phones rectangular with rounded corners?
Are you serious that shouldn't even be a patent. Its too general.
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XDA's view on Apple

Hello,
since I'm still rather new on the forums, I would like to know what the people here think of Apple and their devices, and of course, why. I think I already understand people aren't positive, which I'm either. Speak your mind!
My view? Well, I of course prefer Android. The freedom of flashing Roms is great, Android simply is much more open. I also see many Apple products with broken screens, and I nearly never spot a Droid with one. Apple products are overpriced in my opinion, too. And as last, patents, enough said.
I have to admit that I maybe am a little too subjective. I think that the overall hardware quite good, apart form the screens, and its interface feel rather good.
Oh, right, I forgot to mention innovation, which Apple lacks

Remcotjuuh said:
Hello,
since I'm still rather new on the forums, I would like to know what the people here think of Apple and their devices, and of course, why. I think I already understand people aren't positive, which I'm either. Speak your mind!
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IB4L. Given the flaming that takes place between Android and Apple on this (as well as other) forums, there is no way on earth this thread will be left open.
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IB4L. Given the flaming that takes place between Android and Apple on this (as well as other) forums, there is no way on earth this thread will be left open.
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Hmm, I didn't really expect that to happen, but if it does, yes, close it.

I hate anything with fruit logo on it.i dont even eat apple anymore.
My keyboards shape is an apple patent
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I won't buy their products. I like the open source android and having ultimate control of my device. Now after this lawsuit against Samsung, I definitely won't buy any crapple products.
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Hm.
Well, I would have to say that albeit the devices have a premium feel [with the two latest iterations], the Apple ecosystem is generally a money trap.
I'd rather have a Blackberry over an Apple device. At least I wouldn't have to be afraid of breaking it with a 2 foot drop.

They don't get nearly the credit they deserve. Particularly around here.

Innovation stiflers.
As for their products, they're okay, if overpriced and hard to unbundle. With Apple, we pretty much get accept-everything-or-leave-it devices, and I don't really like their design aesthetic - even Metro is preferable to me.

Nothing really special. Easy to use but they're not my type. Overpriced and very limited.
They make quality hardware but lackluster software, to closed/limited for the price you're paying. They also have those overtly absurd patents that endanger the mobile ecosystem as a whole.

I like the design, it looks professional and iconic. Other than that, nothing.
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They're a good company, superior marketing, but shameless and greedy.

The hardware on them is just wonderful (minus the processor, but I suppose it doesn't need it with their OS). If on Android, every OEM could team up to make an ultra phone (i.e. Sony Camera, Tegra graphics, Exynos Processor, Motorola durability/signal strength etc.) like Apple did with everyone else's parts... well I might not be saying the same thing.
Apple is sort of like the Firing Squad, and each of the Android Manufacturers are like the Lineup. Apple takes each of the best parts from each OEM and kills them off. For example (most recently) Samsung chips, but sues them. It's a great strategy. But also a pretty a-hole move.
In conclusion, GREAT HARDWARE, SMOOTH OS, BUT CLOSED SOURCED JERKS. That's just me.

I think they make a decent product that appeals to those who want something simple to use. If the company wasn't the biggest patent troll around, I wouldn't mind recommending their products to people. They only sell one phone and I think there are different wants from consumers. Some like a larger screen, some like smaller screens, some like QWERTY keyboards, some would rather have a thinner phone with only a software keyboard. They had a pretty nice looking OS in 2007, it looks outdated nowadays. Its also a very limited OS with minimal customization allowed.

I see apple as a onetime great company that allowed the untech savy people to fianlly have the ability to use the latest tech, then they gained such a cult following they realized they could be a little greedy, when that worked so well they set there sights higher until they became a very greedy company whos inovation spirit was lost and forgotton.
Then they decided they want everyone tobe an isheep and make it so if you don't choose them you cannot choose anyone.
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I think this thread is pointless and should be closed and don't you mean XDA members view
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The iPhone has always had the best build quality. The iPhone always felt really good in the hand. You really feel like your possessing something made for the gods. The only thing about the built quality that I don't like is the glass screen, it breaks so easily.
The iPhone has the most apps, iTunes, and no risk of viruses so your always secrure. The battery life will almost always get you through at least a day. The picture quality is remarkable, and the camera is easy to use. When there's an update (if your device is going to get it) you recive it almost immediately. The ios interface is simple, beautiful, and fun to use.
Apple is never influenced by other companies. They never put technology in there phones thats not practical (HTC releasing the Tbolt that only lasted 4 hours) (4LTE drains battery's way to fast to be put in a phone).
Having that said, I refuse to buy an iPhone until it supports a 4 inch (or bigger) screen that's 720p. And atleast 1.2 gzh dual core A5 CPU.
Yep, I'm picky
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They're like polishers.... Take what's good in the market or premature (ie. A product or an idea) and redesign as well as clean up the rough edges n then release it.
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The only thing I like from Apple, having used the Iphone 4, is the app store.
I don't care how many apps there are for each platform, but in the iphone, hundreds of apps are very polished and made almost perfectly. This includes games. I'm not even going to mention games and apps on the ipad; when they're optimized correctly, they're beautiful. (see: snapseed, alienblue, etc) You just enjoy using those apps. Many apps and games on Android are just iphone ports, and due to fragmentation, you don't get 100% perfect games like the developer intended.
Other than that, I don't care about apple or their products.
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Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading

New U.S. Antitrust Bill Would Require Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading​
New bipartisan antitrust legislation that targets Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store was today introduced by U.S. Senators Richard Blumenthal, Marsha Blackburn, and Amy Klobuchar.
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The Open App Markets Act [PDF] is meant to create "fair, clear, and enforceable rules" that will protect competition and strengthen consumer protections. According to the three senators, Apple and Google have "gatekeeper control" of the two main mobile operating systems and their app stores, allowing them to dictate the terms of the app market.
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If this gets passed, I can see Apple being not too happy.

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If this gets passed, I can see Apple being not too happy.
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Yes I think Apple will be the one of the two with more on the line. As for security concerns on this subject Apple already has enough issues currently and would much like to keep it as minimal as possible? Both companies are in compromising positions in this field as it is.
I'm all for this as most of us are. It is one step forward to a completely Lock Free phone Computing environment. It is right XDA and other communities alley. Developers will love this of course. It will put a lot of money in people's pockets where it needs to be.
Additionally the world of Android customization, custom phones, and all things totally cool for the little green guy my all come true for us someday.
One small step for this win? One huge leap for the little green fellas kind...

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Yes I think Apple will be the one of the two with more on the line. As for security concerns on this subject Apple already has enough issues currently and would much like to keep it as minimal as possible? Both companies are in compromising positions in this field as it is.
I'm all for this as most of us are. It is one step forward to a completely Lock Free phone Computing environment. It is right XDA and other communities alley. Developers will love this of course. It will put a lot of money in people's pockets where it needs to be.
Additionally the world of Android customization, custom phones, and all things totally cool for the little green guy my all come true for us someday.
One small step for this win? One huge leap for the little green fellas kind...
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Agreed, if it gets passed, it would start to open the Apple OS more for customization.

In case most did not already know In the old days Apple was more of a user base of older people. Primarily older adults. There was not a lot of sales nor young people that were using the devices in the way that they are today. Fast forward in time technology has improved Apple has put out good PR when the iPhone released.. really a little bit before however this spiked a rise in their user base and this time one that
Would flourish for decades. Bad for apple yeah? No? With time comes curiosity.. they say curiosity killed the cat.. well it definitely killed Apple sales.. all the [very cool] exploits released, iCloud workarounds, bypass services and more causing this perhaps. ...
Apple firing back with iCloud the Superior device protection which launched an even greater amount of device sales for Apple with so many devices lost stolen Etc due to not being able to recover from iCloud lock. I don't know if the latter was very significant but in my mind it is and still is to this day until they fix it. I don't believe iCloud is bad. I would love for Google to implement their new surprise factory reset protection they have been talking about for a little while now that is not really in the media yet. Then Google will be up there with apple when it comes to device security on Lost stolen devices when this happens.
This is just a start of a whole new era of freedom for cellular devices. Up to 2015 we fought for unlocking rights and then we got them. Companies such as Motorola and HTC becoming developer-friendly in allowing bootloader unlocking . Other things. Now we have this. The day of Androids right now and Apple iPhones and I devices are likely days of moonshine running but only take that a step further the days of building custom cars right before NASCAR when everything had to be strictly from scratch. No million-dollar companies helping just strictly small mom-and-pop and backyard mechanics. I'm not trying to say phones are becoming hot rod that will eventually start racing each other lol by no means. But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. Absolute freedom to do whatever with our devices.

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In case most did not already know In the old days Apple was more of a user base of older people. Primarily older adults. There was not a lot of sales nor young people that were using the devices in the way that they are today. Fast forward in time technology has improved Apple has put out good PR when the iPhone released.. really a little bit before however this spiked a rise in their user base and this time one that
Would flourish for decades. Bad for apple yeah? No? With time comes curiosity.. they say curiosity killed the cat.. well it definitely killed Apple sales.. all the [very cool] exploits released, iCloud workarounds, bypass services and more causing this perhaps. ...
Apple firing back with iCloud the Superior device protection which launched an even greater amount of device sales for Apple with so many devices lost stolen Etc due to not being able to recover from iCloud lock. I don't know if the latter was very significant but in my mind it is and still is to this day until they fix it. I don't believe iCloud is bad. I would love for Google to implement their new surprise factory reset protection they have been talking about for a little while now that is not really in the media yet. Then Google will be up there with apple when it comes to device security on Lost stolen devices when this happens.
This is just a start of a whole new era of freedom for cellular devices. Up to 2015 we fought for unlocking rights and then we got them. Companies such as Motorola and HTC becoming developer-friendly in allowing bootloader unlocking . Other things. Now we have this. The day of Androids right now and Apple iPhones and I devices are likely days of moonshine running but only take that a step further the days of building custom cars right before NASCAR when everything had to be strictly from scratch. No million-dollar companies helping just strictly small mom-and-pop and backyard mechanics. I'm not trying to say phones are becoming hot rod that will eventually start racing each other lol by no means. But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. Absolute freedom to do whatever with our devices.
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Agreed, Motorola thankfully has an easy way to unlock bootloader, it at least gives you an option to flash a different current os compared to their os which updates maybe every so many months if you are lucky.
Oneplus I believe also has bootloader unlock available as well.