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Google and Motorola Asked To Give Apple Their Android Development*Secrets!!??

This is totally insane!!
How can this even be considered!
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"As strange as it might seem, U.S. Circuit Judge Richard Posner has ordered Google and Motorola to hand over development details of the Android operating system to Apple.Not only that, but Motorola Mobility must also provide Apple information regarding its pending acquisition by Google.The reason for this is the ongoing patent lawsuit filed by Apple back in 2010 against Motorola. To try and handle the situation, Motorola’s attorney responded to the judge’s demand:Google’s employees and documents are not within the ‘possession, custody, or control’ of Motorola, and Motorola cannot force Google to produce documents or witnesses over Google’s objections"
http://alltechsecrets.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/u-s-judge-orders-google-and-motorola-to-give-apple-their-android-development-secrets/

I'm waiting to see more details about what information they are supposed to give up, I don't think it's anything from the development of present or future Android code or anything like that, it just doesn't make sense...

Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.

Dirtburgler said:
Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.
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However, they will still sell a gazillion iPhones and iPads. I personally don't like either (and pretty much hate them) however, they're obviously not bad, I just don't like the way Apple does things and Android feels much much better, from Google's side and specially from the community's side, it's just amazing what people (devs) can do with a few lines of code, I'm currently running ICS on my Motorola Defy, and it works a million times better than the stock Froyo!
I think than in a not too distant future, Apple will make some sort of change getting closer to the way Android does things, not only copying things like the notification bar, but with the release cycle for updates, and maybe even licensing the OS, obviously not now, but in a few years, I think it's a possibility if Android keeps gaining market share

I totally agree on the end product being great hardware, just the way they conduct business.
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It's a absolute joke this if google has to hand there's it's only rite for apple to be forced into handing there's aswell. Apple are a disgrace to technology! I can't wait for the day apple fails again,Microsoft should of ended apple when they had the chance!
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I have the iPhone and Sony experia play and apple is a embarrassment of a company, and how it's being run! and there not doing themselfs any favors going after all these companies.
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Steve Jobs favorite quote "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Can someone please lock up these blatant thieves. How is it possible that we have allowed Apple and other large corporations to completely abuse the USPO and the courts. They same companies that cry about piracy, also use the courts to protect their piracy. Hollywood steals ideas all the time, Crapple steals over and over again from everyone, music companies steal from artists, but we the people are the problem. Funny how the system is just a bunch of very rich people who have the right to guarantee they will get richer by stealing and then using our own courts against us and against free enterprise. This is criminal.
Bow down to Crapple. If you don't comply we will make you. We have the right to do what we want, even if it is a crime.
PS Apple didn't invent the majority of the patents they hold, they just stole them and the courts (wink wink) approved.
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Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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Don't count on U.S. judges to rule in favor of private property rights. They're kinda trending away from that. I just hope legislators don't make it a law that everyone must purchase iPhones. The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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atljatl said:
The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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Like Health Care????

85gallon said:
Like Health Care????
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.... Perhaps.
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I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.

z33dev33l said:
I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.
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Why not? This isn't even part of the the normal copying of features (which I would question actually calling theft): apple is trying to force google to hand over their future plans. This is more or less the equivalent of corporate espionage.

Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.

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85gallon said:
Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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z33dev33l said:
Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.
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Hmmm except ciq is nothing to do with google and it affected ios too.
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The rest of the points still stand and it's still android devices stealing user info. Perhaps I'm biased because I was one of few who wasn't concerned about CIQ, being a wp7 user and all.

If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!

galaxys said:
If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!
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Haha, thanks. I needed a good laugh.

Apple get google to change android

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18705285
As a result of the nexus ban google announced today that they will change android features such as its search function as well as other unspecified changes.
This has been apples goal by litigating, to get android itself changed, to make it appear a feature lacking sub standard rival.
It also means further court cases could result in more changes, it's a shame apple can only look good by litigating against their competition.
More details at http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...o-overcome-a-possible-galaxy-nexus-sales-ban/ which says that search results will be web pages only and no local information will be returned in searches.
This seems to mean siri who can give out local results (a feature apparently patented by apple) will seem better than googles offering. No idea what else will change but it seems apples plan is starting to pay off and change android itself to make it less threatening.
This shouldn't affect european users as we don't allow software patents, and it won't affect current non google devices, but it does mean from now on android itself will be lacking certain things and as stock android is affected this means all androids in future that use jellybean or higher may also be affected.
Dave
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I'm sorry for everyone in the US but the big question for us is, will google be developing two version of android?
One full blown for the rest of the world and one half-arsed for the US?
EDIT: I also would like to know why google doesn't apply their patent for the notification system?

This mess is ridiculous. F Apple forever. I won't so much as touch an Apple device anymore.

MissionImprobable said:
This mess is ridiculous. F Apple forever. I won't so much as touch an Apple device anymore.
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+1 :good:

mojo22 said:
I'm sorry for everyone in the US but the big question for us is, will google be developing two version of android?
One full blown for the rest of the world and one half-arsed for the US?
EDIT: I also would like to know why google doesn't apply their patent for the notification system?
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Google can't apply their patent as it has not been granted, only applied for, and therefore cannot be infringed.
Google being a US company I think if they allowed two versions that apple would find a way to litigate because it would still be a US company violating a US patent if the software was developed in america.
Dave
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I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
As big as google is, and as much "stuff" as they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Google owns Apple in the future. I mean come on... Apple made a tablet, Google made a car that drives itself.

Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -Corporations- and Lawsuits.
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Fixed it for you. Its a corporate world.
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Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
As big as google is, and as much "stuff" as they're doing, I wouldn't be surprised if Google owns Apple in the future. I mean come on... Apple made a tablet, Google made a car that drives itself.
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The problem is that google now own motorolas patents which are essential to phones but can't be with-held even if not paid for because they are frand.
Indeed a german court ruled that despite apple not paying their fees motorola can't use these same patents against them and so google can't use their most powerful weapon precisely because it is so important that courts rule it cannot be with held.
It is worse in usa though due to allowing software patents.
Dave
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Stozzy_ThrEED said:
I don't get how the US operates like that... The land of the free quickly became the land of -CENSORSHIP- and Lawsuits.
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All it takes is for someone to cry 'foul' get their feelings hurt and cry for mommy and daddy, or government, to fix it; then the system gets messed up and we lose freedoms one by one.
Now here we are, celebrating Government Dependance Day!

I remeber one ooooold movie: "Escape from New York" with Kurt Russel............

mistermentality said:
Google can't apply their patent as it has not been granted, only applied for, and therefore cannot be infringed.
Google being a US company I think if they allowed two versions that apple would find a way to litigate because it would still be a US company violating a US patent if the software was developed in america.
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What are frand patents?
Why can't google europe...or google UK, google france etc. release the software on our play store?
Hear me out for a second. IF this google now, google voice thing that is banned from the states become a apk...or simple APP that can be downloaded and installed 'only for europe' supposedly, and released by this side of the world. Why would that be violating the patent?
Then ultimately US member could install it as well which will be out of Google (US) control.
Surely there is a way around this...

Apple wins even when they lose see below
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/05/us/david-gelernter-discusses-patent-claim-against-apple.html?_r=3
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mojo22 said:
What are frand patents?
Why can't google europe...or google UK, google france etc. release the software on our play store?
Hear me out for a second. IF this google now, google voice thing that is banned from the states become a apk...or simple APP that can be downloaded and installed 'only for europe' supposedly, and released by this side of the world. Why would that be violating the patent?
Then ultimately US member could install it as well which will be out of Google (US) control.
Surely there is a way around this...
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Frand patents are patents essential to a product, meaning if the patent holder refuses to let others use the patents then no one else could easily make a competing product.
As a result europe make sure the frand licence (short for fair, reasonable and non discriminatory) is applied which means they must be allowed to be used providing those using the patents pay royalties.
Regarding the voice search being available unchanged in europe I'm not a lawyer so I may be wrong but logically as google would be still developing it in usa and are usa based, where the court ruling applies, they would still be developing something they legally agreed not to and therefore would still in violation.
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Seriously Apple?
the use of a single search interface - such as Siri - to retrieve information from a range of systems using a number of techniques
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-I'm pretty sure that is how Google has been doing things on their search engine for years. Yes there were other search engines before Google but thats not the point.
the use of a sliding gesture to unlock a touchscreen device
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-It hasn't been sliding since Gingerbread, and even if it was its been around in the analog world for hundreds of years.
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-This has been around in Windows Mobile for at least 10 years and possibly Palm as well. Its far from revolutionary.

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Seriously Apple?
-I'm pretty sure that is how Google has been doing things on their search engine for years. Yes there were other search engines before Google but thats not the point.
-It hasn't been sliding since Gingerbread, and even if it was its been around in the analog world for hundreds of years.
-This has been around in Windows Mobile for at least 10 years and possibly Palm as well. Its far from revolutionary.
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I already posted this but i feel i have to post it again
Slide to unlock, see with your eyes, was invented long time ago and was working perfectly on this ancient windows mobile device (if i'm not wrong it was 3 years before the first iphone, uh!)
go to min 4, enjoy
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it

xdaid said:
I already posted this but i feel i have to post it again
Slide to unlock, see with your eyes, was invented long time ago and was working perfectly on this ancient windows mobile device (if i'm not wrong it was 3 years before the first iphone, uh!)
go to min 4, enjoy
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple-granted-patent-slide-unlock-even-though-it-existed-2-years-they-invented-it
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Its an analog concept implemented digitally just like computer folders. Meaning its not a new idea, its an existing idea being implemented in a new medium.

So we have all these previous examples of "prior art" and "essentials" to any smartphone/touchscreen phone. Are the Samsung lawyers really that dim/stupid or is Judge Koh not the so called "fair" honorable judge that has ruled for Android/against Apple in the past?

Koh is being paid by Apple

domnic619 said:
Koh is being paid by Apple
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From all this I'm reading its starting to look like apple pays off a lot of people such as the judge who ruled against the professor who was blown up by the unabomber despite winning the jury's vote and having a email from Steve jobs requesting to talk about using his technology... dude how many people are in the us on xda? How many people would it take to petition to remove the law that allows software patents? Its bull**** that apple can try to monopolize the cell phone market especially when most features were around long before they got their patents.. I think if we got millions of people to petition this it couldn't go unnoticed to say the least.. not saying it would change but drawing as much attention as possible is how to start a change right?
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domnic619 said:
Koh is being paid by Apple
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Agreed, and this is coming frome a Mac and iPad enthusiast.

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Im sure most you now know all the irrational lawsuits that are hurting technology. Apple getting patents on things like "unified search" (!!! seriously?). Things are getting out of hand and this total nutcase judge Lucy Koh has just banned Galaxy Tab 10.1 and galaxy Nexus.
She obviously has no understanding of how OS work and has made very biased statements against Samsung's lawyers. [ "I'm frustrated," Koh told Samsung's lawyers.... "I deny the motion for reconsideration on limits."] { http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/us-samsung-galaxy-ruling-idUSBRE85Q02B20120627 }
{ http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-t...bid-longer-trial-in-samsung-apple-case-198543 }
and now a couple Samsung products are literately banned from US sales, seems almost unreal. (Current inventory will be allowed to be cleared out); and Samsung might have to pay over 15 Billion dollars in fines.
This is getting serious; and with a over 4,000,000 users we are the best chance of getting some serious petitions going to:
1) Get Lucy Koh to resign
2) Stop apple from getting patents on things they did not invent and abusing the patent system.
3) Prevent a monopoly with smartphones, tablets, computers and operating systems
4) Change the patent system; which is not built to handle the technologies of today. (https://defendinnovation.org/)
5) Appeal the BAN on Samsung tablets and Galaxy Nexus, and stop abuse against Android OS!
Change.org is great place to start petitions, and just we all overturned SOPA/PIPA; this is our next fight. I ask for anyone that has experience or knowledge in starting this fight, to step up, we all collaborate and do this!

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Fault number 1: apple did not create any of the generic usability traits that they somehow got a patent on. You think they created clicking on a phone number in text and calling it? No, Nokia had it before apple. Hell, palm PDAs had half the stiff apple is using now.
They are abusing a corrupt, stupid patent system. Those old fargs in charge don't know wtf they're doing when they issue a patent on using your finger to navigate a touchscreen.
Other companies just have some dignity, and possibly not the connections high up in the patent office that apple has. Source code is something you can patent, not a gui.
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Do does anyone want to help secure the future of our devices our just let apple take over compliantly.

96shox said:
Do does anyone want to help secure the future of our devices our just let apple take over compliantly.
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There is little we the people can do other than to wait until Google, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC, get together and their lawyers smack Apple down. Don't worry so much over something you can't affect. :laugh:
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I read this and. I will keep a eye out for this topic.
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mf2112 said:
There is little we the people can do other than to wait until Google, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC, get together and their lawyers smack Apple down. Don't worry so much over something you can't affect. :laugh:
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Before i would agree with you but after seeing the unprecedented affect WE had on crushing sopa/pipa, it completely changed my mind on how much power we really have.
And regarding your picture, there was also the compaq tc1000, and countless Samsung touchscreen only bar phones that were out years before iphone
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droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Apple makes most of their profits off their iPhones, so they are in the same situation as your vision of Samsung.
Android isn't going to die, and stop posting your crap in an Android forum.
(I mean, you don't even own a real phone there's no such thing as the Nokia i350. The closest I got is the Nokia 3500 Classic which is a candybar phone with a 1.8 inch screen)
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Ifans, IOS user can buy, sell, use, and be crazy about what they love. We deserve the same to buy, sell, use what we love. They can't just force us to use what they love... No matter whatever they have been trying to do, we will never get what we have never loved. We, user, should be the judge to decide not a idiot woman who has never learn what smart phones is and how smart phones work.

droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Lol, zeedevil is that you?
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We were warned years ago that software patents should not be allowed. Copyright your code, patent an invention. Moving your finger across a screen is not an invention. Having an email program on a phone, not an invention. Etc.
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droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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You are part of the problem.
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c5satellite2 said:
You are part of the problem.
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Agree. While I am not an apple fan, I don't to see them die. I just want to see fair compatition from all manfactures, this way, we the consumers will have better toys to play with, as they will be compeating for our money to buy thier product. All this "patent war" is acomplishing is to stife inovation, and drving up the cost of products. In the end it is us, the consumers, that don't get a better product, and have to pay more for it.

droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Maybe you should write some new material instead of copying, and pasting the exact same reply in multiple threads.
Pin it to Win it.

I agree with this. It's absurd to assume that we won't get any where by voicing an opinion. In my mind, apple can suck it. I've had iOS devices, I've had Android devices, Android blows iOS out the water every time, flash in a default browser, Firefox, custom ROMs, What you got apple fanboy? Ooh Cydia market, big whoop. But I'm off topic, where do I sign this petition at?
And I just wanna say one more time, suck it apple.
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droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Please stop bouncing around the forums posting useless junk. You have added nothing to any thread you've participated in.
droid4sale said:
Its a phone u back in 95 way before u even knew what a cellphone was or could even get one lol
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Really??
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i agree, the way things are is ridiculous in the patent system. if anything this is keeping me from buying anything apple related and making me wish they would die the firey death the apple fanboy/topic derailer is chanting about.

Who cares about apple
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angie4u said:
stupid iJudge.. so obvious she is getting bribes from apple... so sick of reading articles on apple sueing every company that threatens them...
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Actually she ruled against Apple initially but was overruled by the appeals court and instructed to revise her prior ruling.
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Ohshift33 said:
I agree with this. It's absurd to assume that we won't get any where by voicing an opinion. In my mind, apple can suck it. I've had iOS devices, I've had Android devices, Android blows iOS out the water every time, flash in a default browser, Firefox, custom ROMs, What you got apple fanboy? Ooh Cydia market, big whoop. But I'm off topic, where do I sign this petition at?
And I just wanna say one more time, suck it apple.
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http://www.change.org/petitions/app...nk&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
Spread the word!!

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung
Rounded corners, can't do that, Apple OWNS the rounded cornered rectangle. Much hate for Apple. Will never buy one of their products, ever.
They are making less choices for us and jacking prices. Worse yet, if this stands they'll probably go after Google and the Droid OS.
Thoughts? Comments?
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apple is the best.

BaconStep said:
apple is the best.
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lol

Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-sleeping-giant-may-have-awoken/
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UZ7 said:
Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,

Anyone wonder how many of the jurors had iPhones?
Hey guys, remember when Apple invented smartphones? And music?
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madmajd said:
or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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Agreed, now that Jobs is gone, I don't see their innovation level holding. People like Apple for is simplicity though. Most people are lazy and want things simple.
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madmajd said:
or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
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As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it

Bet everyone in the jury are apple owners
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Apple's a spoiled child used to all the attention, and Samsung is the newborn baby brother that now gets the attention. No matter which way this case goes, us as a consumer are gonna lose out. Apple went after Samsung because they were dominating the market. Next, they'll probably come at HTC. And it'll be that way until Apple gets the attention back.
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whosgotlag said:
It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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shaggyskunk said:
And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Microsoft owns a patent for file truncation. A patent for shortening a file name to make it easier to read. Every company has ****ty patents
Locoman_ said:
While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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I get what you're saying but suing doesn't "head off" anything. It just adds to the pile of crap that is the patent industry. MS, Google, Kodak all have patents that shouldn't exist
Everyone needs to take off their Android glasses for a second. In terms of following the law this was an open and shut case.
Samsung had a 100 page smoking gun document that said "Apples phone is awesome, let's do what they're doing."
Touchwiz is a very blatant ripoff of iPhone UI.
They should have lost the case, but it is true the case should never have been in court.
Unfortunately all the patents were ruled valid, so this will keep happening.
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whosgotlag said:
It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.

madmajd said:
You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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Red herring. Research in Motion is losing money because it's operating system sucks along with its tiny screen and keyboard.
The outward design of iPhone and Android is essentially the same, and they both target their DIFFERENT audiences effectively.
Those who own an iPhone do not want an Android. For the majority its not a question of what Android has to offer over iOS. Its not that they dont know about Android. They just don't like it.
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Samsung blatantly copied design cues from apple so I agree Sammy deserved to get hit but some of those design patents are bull**** bounce back, rectangle with rounded corners those are insane
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It's all a money issue. I'm so glad I moved away from the darkside of phones. I liked my iPhone for the years I had it, but I could see my LOVE for Android instantly after I bought my Skyrocket. Apple is such a powerful company and they have some of the best lawyers money can buy. They put so much legalese in thier contracts and patenting. It's ridiculous.

madmajd said:
You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.

Most iPhone owners who aren't technologically inept go with their iPhone over Android with this being their huge argument.....Security. JB does make a tremendous progress in eliminating the laggyness that has been known to plague Android OS and does make it oh so smooth when working your way through all the features and apps. The main drawback to most still is security and how Apple does such a great job of securing accounts and identity on their devices. I for one can't stand that apple won this verdict but I don't think they will stop Samsung, but I'm sure they weren't expecting to. My guess is they waited to find the result of this case to buy them precious time to where they can unveil the iPhone5 to give them a large window to attempt to establish a landslide victory while freezing out its competition and running solo campaigns to gain more users.
It's like some douchebag person who is filthy rich and is going after a girl who likes you and you're not as well off. That person will do what they can and spend all kinds of money because they know you don't have as deep of pockets to even the playing field. He may not destroy you totally win or lose but he definitely succeeds in throwing dirt on your name and add some clout. Just my $0.02
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mostyle said:
You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.
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I agree 100%.
Apple is more like living in a communist regime. Steve Jobs has been famous for saying it as his motto "You don't tell us what you want, we tell you."

Just wondering aren't practicality 80% of all phones rectangular with rounded corners?
Are you serious that shouldn't even be a patent. Its too general.
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[Q] This may sound tres "conspiracy theory-ist", BUT ...

Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.

WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.

JB?
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WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.

Yeah you missed the whole point of this site. lol

NYCblues said:
Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.
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No. Dude these are multibillion dollar companies, they have better **** to deal then playing subterfuge over what would amount to a couple thousand dollars, at the most, lost from annoyed customers
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what do you mean taken away from you? did you mess it up and bricked it or somebody confiscated it from your home?
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NYCblues said:
Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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Lol. If anything AT&T is trying to get away from Apple products. They make more profit selling Android devices.
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mindmajick said:
Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.

aycockonxion said:
THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.
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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?

NYCblues said:
What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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m4570d0n said:
It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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I love grammar Nazis! U R the gr8est!

m4570d0n said:
It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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That was sweet! ALL HAIL GRAMMAR NAZI! As far as the 'discussion' goes, it should make no difference to you who releases what and when. As it was pointed out, maybe you are missing the point of this arena. Whether you develop, tinker, or just screw around with your phone, the point is this: collectively, we as a group could not care less what the carriers or even manufacturers provide for us in the way of OS updates. We seek out our own, by way of skilled and knowledgeable people who aren't satisfied with the bloatware infested offerings given to us long after the fact. As a member of this forum, you are EXPECTED to have the desire to learn how to make your own way in the android world, albeit with the help of others most of the time.This is a development and learning forum. Regardless of the trolling and/or occasional flaming for the sub-genius among us, you need to want to learn, not wait on the conglomerates to dole out what they want to....my penny and a half.