I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung
Rounded corners, can't do that, Apple OWNS the rounded cornered rectangle. Much hate for Apple. Will never buy one of their products, ever.
They are making less choices for us and jacking prices. Worse yet, if this stands they'll probably go after Google and the Droid OS.
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apple is the best.
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apple is the best.
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lol
Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
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Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
Anyone wonder how many of the jurors had iPhones?
Hey guys, remember when Apple invented smartphones? And music?
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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Agreed, now that Jobs is gone, I don't see their innovation level holding. People like Apple for is simplicity though. Most people are lazy and want things simple.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
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As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
Bet everyone in the jury are apple owners
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Apple's a spoiled child used to all the attention, and Samsung is the newborn baby brother that now gets the attention. No matter which way this case goes, us as a consumer are gonna lose out. Apple went after Samsung because they were dominating the market. Next, they'll probably come at HTC. And it'll be that way until Apple gets the attention back.
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Microsoft owns a patent for file truncation. A patent for shortening a file name to make it easier to read. Every company has ****ty patents
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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I get what you're saying but suing doesn't "head off" anything. It just adds to the pile of crap that is the patent industry. MS, Google, Kodak all have patents that shouldn't exist
Everyone needs to take off their Android glasses for a second. In terms of following the law this was an open and shut case.
Samsung had a 100 page smoking gun document that said "Apples phone is awesome, let's do what they're doing."
Touchwiz is a very blatant ripoff of iPhone UI.
They should have lost the case, but it is true the case should never have been in court.
Unfortunately all the patents were ruled valid, so this will keep happening.
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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Red herring. Research in Motion is losing money because it's operating system sucks along with its tiny screen and keyboard.
The outward design of iPhone and Android is essentially the same, and they both target their DIFFERENT audiences effectively.
Those who own an iPhone do not want an Android. For the majority its not a question of what Android has to offer over iOS. Its not that they dont know about Android. They just don't like it.
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Samsung blatantly copied design cues from apple so I agree Sammy deserved to get hit but some of those design patents are bull**** bounce back, rectangle with rounded corners those are insane
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It's all a money issue. I'm so glad I moved away from the darkside of phones. I liked my iPhone for the years I had it, but I could see my LOVE for Android instantly after I bought my Skyrocket. Apple is such a powerful company and they have some of the best lawyers money can buy. They put so much legalese in thier contracts and patenting. It's ridiculous.
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.
Most iPhone owners who aren't technologically inept go with their iPhone over Android with this being their huge argument.....Security. JB does make a tremendous progress in eliminating the laggyness that has been known to plague Android OS and does make it oh so smooth when working your way through all the features and apps. The main drawback to most still is security and how Apple does such a great job of securing accounts and identity on their devices. I for one can't stand that apple won this verdict but I don't think they will stop Samsung, but I'm sure they weren't expecting to. My guess is they waited to find the result of this case to buy them precious time to where they can unveil the iPhone5 to give them a large window to attempt to establish a landslide victory while freezing out its competition and running solo campaigns to gain more users.
It's like some douchebag person who is filthy rich and is going after a girl who likes you and you're not as well off. That person will do what they can and spend all kinds of money because they know you don't have as deep of pockets to even the playing field. He may not destroy you totally win or lose but he definitely succeeds in throwing dirt on your name and add some clout. Just my $0.02
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.
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I agree 100%.
Apple is more like living in a communist regime. Steve Jobs has been famous for saying it as his motto "You don't tell us what you want, we tell you."
Just wondering aren't practicality 80% of all phones rectangular with rounded corners?
Are you serious that shouldn't even be a patent. Its too general.
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Man, this is definitely the hardest thing I've ever decided to post to XDA...
Long story not-so-short: I won a GC to Best Buy for 500$ from a local gaming establishment...(read: illegal slot-machine parlor type place).
I had no idea what to get, as I already have a jillion Android devices/tables/phones/accessories and so on...
On a whim, I decided to just get an iPad 2, (just the 16GB, WIFI-only version, just to kinda see what all the hype was all about, and also due to the fact that I had played a couple of games on the store demos and was pretty impressed.)
Mind you, (and if you have ever read any of my anti-Apple rants on XDA) this was my FIRST time owning anything from the company, and I hadn't really touched an I-anything since the mid-eighties, when I used an original Mac in my high school computer lab for writing assignments..
Now, having no recent experience whatsoever with "today's" iOS, upon first use of thie thing I was greatly impressed just with the slickness of the interface overall, and the fact that the first couple of FPS's I legally bought from the app store looked and ran flawlessly (oh yeah, that Temple Run thing is also like video-crack).
I was pretty floored already, but when I decided to jailbreak it and install the basics like Cydia, installous, and Dreamboard, that's kinda when "**** got real".
I realized that many of the arguments I used online when dismissing iOS as a "real" option for someone who is into device hackery as much as I am suddenly dissolved...
No app drawer, or widgets?
No longer the case, solved by a Dreamboard theme...
No live wallpapers, or custom keyboards?
Same story.
ONLY able to use a proprietary Market for apps, music, books, movies, etc?
Solved by Installous and Cydia.
Bonus?
I can theme this thing to look and feel just like a Honeycomb tablet:
For instance, here's my current setup on this thing, and I'm really just scratching the surface of learning what can be done with it:
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Here's a page that shows a couple of more themes I can 'one-click' add:
And here's a freaking app-drawer on an iOS device, something I didn't know was possible:
Basically, I'm just "coming out" and admitting that I'm actually quite smitten with this iPad, which is something I NEVER thought I would say:
(I still couldn't EVER use an iPhone as a daily because there are still a ****ton of limitations compared to Android, so that would never happen, but I gotta say, that for a tablet, even compared to my other Android tablets, right now this is my favorite....)
Please, don't hate me, fellas...(but have fun with the obvious flames that are to be expected....I just had to give props where props were due.)
Anyone else out there with a similar experience?
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I have an itouch and I've used a number of iPads they are nice I'm considering getting one but I'm waiting a bit more just to see if the rumors about the iPad 3 are true. I've already got apps in iTunes that will work that I bought so not a big deal. To each their own a lot of people hate Apple I do on certain things but they do actually make some good products.
Nothing wrong with a device that makes you happy, regardless of the make/os.
Ill admit to having one for a week, but my reaction was different. After having a galaxy tab 10.1 I couldn't adjust and even with jail breaking I hated it.
Hope it continues to keep you satisfied. What most diehards on both sides often forget is there's room for both makes in the world.
The best device will always be whatever makes you happy.
Congrats on your purchase.
Mazook...i would have never thought it possible! Well it is a great device so have fun and enjoy. People bicker alot about apple/android and which is better but i feel both are great. So why not just enjoy all the great mobile tech we have available and appreciate it for what it all is......AWESOME!! Thanks for sharing man.
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Nice purchase! iPads are pretty powerful and useful. I do think it's a bit ironic that you've themed it to look and perform like an Android tablet
lol get to making an asop android 4.0 and we got us a real tablet
I don't get why people get on here to brag about their ipads and iPhones. Really now.
Now that right there is a damn sexy setup for an iPad. Jailbreaking was definitely a must for me on my last 2 iOS devices. People can hate on Apple all they want (like I do ) but they do make high quality products.
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My butthole still itches....
Thinking of writing a post about it.
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iPads are OK, as long as you can never ever ever EVER touch iTunes. That's the deal breaker for me. I can't stand that POS. My wife has an unmodded iPad, and every time I have to update her machine, iTunes pisses me off. Heck, it even pisses her off because her bible software (Olive Tree) seems to lose settings after a major OS rev. I've had to fight with the stupid thing to get her purchases from OT back onto her device. The device itself isn't bad, although it's pretty limited for me, but iTunes is the debil, Momma!
Well since we are confessing... it was actually me who chopped down the cherry tree. George Washington is innocent! Whew! I feel like a weight has been lifted off my shoulders!
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Are we really so engaged in fake-warfare with cellphones that threads such as these are the norm at XDA?
Just curious help me out here.
I love my iPad 2. I have played with practically every other tablet out there, I still think it's the only one worth getting.
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Nice purchase! iPads are pretty powerful and useful. I do think it's a bit ironic that you've themed it to look and perform like an Android tablet
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lol...because that's the only thing my brain knows how to use: I can manipulate through home screens, sling thru apps no prob with an Android setup: it's all I've ever known: seriously, until I put that simple little Xoom theme on it, I was moving thru screens on it like a retarded baboon might: (no offense to any retarded baboons out there).
Also, to Phatman: not trying to come on XDA to "glorify" this thing: I was just pleasantly surprised by something from a company that, in the past, I always (rightfully!) bashed because of their business model and completely proprietary products: I'm just showing that I found what a difference a jailbroken device can make: I'm not selling or advocating the purchase of one: Hell, I thought I'd be the LAST person on Earth to ever own one: the ONLY idevice I've ever purchased before was a Bluetooth keyboard from Apple that I bought from Walmart, at like 2AM to test out on a Nook Color when CM first got it working: they had no other Bluetooth keyboards from other manufacturers available, and it took me like 20 minutes of just staring at the package to make up my mind a "go thru with the purchase", with all the "ethical issues" the entire buying process was creating for me....
Trust me, bro: this was far more "confession-time" than "finding new religion-time".
Edit: Robzilla: thanks for the tip about iTunes: haven't used it: now I'll know not to use it in the future.
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iOS is NO DOUBT a fantastic product and device. but 2 things do bother me, and both of them are really more about business
1. i shouldnt have to jailbreak/root a device to customize it... (keyboards, themes, launchers, etc)
2. i REFUSE to buy products from a business who conducts themselves in such a sleazy manner. just like i cant stand the fanboy who justifies apples ethics because "they are superior". sounds a lot like a certain Pro-Aryan leader of the past...
other than that, im glad you are happy with it! remember, i hate APPLE, not you.
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Basically, I'm just "coming out"
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Whatever makes you happy dude
The iPad is a great product but Apple sucks as a company that's all
The iPad destroys Android tablets. The transformer prime is less usable than the iPad from early last year. I prefer Android on the phone over iOS, but Google and the manufacturers don't get what made the iPad successful, stability, convenience, and the apple store warranty process when something goes wrong, not specs and features. People go to a laptop/desktop when they want specs and features. If your customer has to pay shipping for defects or read 50 page filled forum with complaints, then you are doing it wrong.
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Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 will be the IPads worst nightmare. I have a perfectly operating prime and ipad2 that will both be kicked to the curb for the 10.1 note
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Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 will be the IPads worst nightmare. I have a perfectly operating prime and ipad2 that will both be kicked to the curb for the 10.1 note
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If Samsung would only improve their update policies. People buying an iPad know apple will give them the cool new features for at least 2 years after the sale. Android buyers are becoming paralyzed because they don't know which device will be supported. Anybody with professional sales experience will tell you eliminating obstacles to buying is key, I wish Samsung would realize this.
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If Samsung would only improve their update policies. People buying an iPad know apple will give them the cool new features for at least 2 years after the sale. Android buyers are becoming paralyzed because they don't know which device will be supported. Anybody with professional sales experience will tell you eliminating obstacles to buying is key, I wish Samsung would realize this.
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The phones being released now are awesome out the of the box. SGII running 2.3 is good. Ice Cream update is only going to make the majority angry. Why do people think that updates that change the look of the device equates to good? It doesn't. On XDA we are an extreme minority. I wish more people would realize this. GPS works, phone works, text work, apps are awesome with many choices to pick from so what is wrong with it? Oh... it isn't running the latest android OS and that means the device isn't supported, right? Wrong. We just got another update for random fixes on a already stable device.
Here is my reasoning in regards to Apple projects or Android. If I have to go to the extreme to modify it to my liking then your not getting my money. I will not support locking down my devices. I would enjoy a free Ipad. I'd probably love it. But I'm not going to give Apple any money. I'm not going to give Motorola any love with a locked boot loader either. Or Assassin Creed for the PC, they aren't getting any support from me. The choice between Barnes and Nobles and Amazon Tablet for me is simple, Amazon because they didn't lock the boot loader.
This is totally insane!!
How can this even be considered!
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"As strange as it might seem, U.S. Circuit Judge Richard Posner has ordered Google and Motorola to hand over development details of the Android operating system to Apple.Not only that, but Motorola Mobility must also provide Apple information regarding its pending acquisition by Google.The reason for this is the ongoing patent lawsuit filed by Apple back in 2010 against Motorola. To try and handle the situation, Motorola’s attorney responded to the judge’s demand:Google’s employees and documents are not within the ‘possession, custody, or control’ of Motorola, and Motorola cannot force Google to produce documents or witnesses over Google’s objections"
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I'm waiting to see more details about what information they are supposed to give up, I don't think it's anything from the development of present or future Android code or anything like that, it just doesn't make sense...
Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.
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Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.
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However, they will still sell a gazillion iPhones and iPads. I personally don't like either (and pretty much hate them) however, they're obviously not bad, I just don't like the way Apple does things and Android feels much much better, from Google's side and specially from the community's side, it's just amazing what people (devs) can do with a few lines of code, I'm currently running ICS on my Motorola Defy, and it works a million times better than the stock Froyo!
I think than in a not too distant future, Apple will make some sort of change getting closer to the way Android does things, not only copying things like the notification bar, but with the release cycle for updates, and maybe even licensing the OS, obviously not now, but in a few years, I think it's a possibility if Android keeps gaining market share
I totally agree on the end product being great hardware, just the way they conduct business.
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It's a absolute joke this if google has to hand there's it's only rite for apple to be forced into handing there's aswell. Apple are a disgrace to technology! I can't wait for the day apple fails again,Microsoft should of ended apple when they had the chance!
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I have the iPhone and Sony experia play and apple is a embarrassment of a company, and how it's being run! and there not doing themselfs any favors going after all these companies.
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Steve Jobs favorite quote "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Can someone please lock up these blatant thieves. How is it possible that we have allowed Apple and other large corporations to completely abuse the USPO and the courts. They same companies that cry about piracy, also use the courts to protect their piracy. Hollywood steals ideas all the time, Crapple steals over and over again from everyone, music companies steal from artists, but we the people are the problem. Funny how the system is just a bunch of very rich people who have the right to guarantee they will get richer by stealing and then using our own courts against us and against free enterprise. This is criminal.
Bow down to Crapple. If you don't comply we will make you. We have the right to do what we want, even if it is a crime.
PS Apple didn't invent the majority of the patents they hold, they just stole them and the courts (wink wink) approved.
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Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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Don't count on U.S. judges to rule in favor of private property rights. They're kinda trending away from that. I just hope legislators don't make it a law that everyone must purchase iPhones. The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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Like Health Care????
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Like Health Care????
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.... Perhaps.
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I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.
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I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.
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Why not? This isn't even part of the the normal copying of features (which I would question actually calling theft): apple is trying to force google to hand over their future plans. This is more or less the equivalent of corporate espionage.
Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.
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Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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My mind just got blown away.... thank you
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Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.
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Hmmm except ciq is nothing to do with google and it affected ios too.
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The rest of the points still stand and it's still android devices stealing user info. Perhaps I'm biased because I was one of few who wasn't concerned about CIQ, being a wp7 user and all.
If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!
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If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!
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Haha, thanks. I needed a good laugh.
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Im sure most you now know all the irrational lawsuits that are hurting technology. Apple getting patents on things like "unified search" (!!! seriously?). Things are getting out of hand and this total nutcase judge Lucy Koh has just banned Galaxy Tab 10.1 and galaxy Nexus.
She obviously has no understanding of how OS work and has made very biased statements against Samsung's lawyers. [ "I'm frustrated," Koh told Samsung's lawyers.... "I deny the motion for reconsideration on limits."] { http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/27/us-samsung-galaxy-ruling-idUSBRE85Q02B20120627 }
{ http://www.infoworld.com/d/mobile-t...bid-longer-trial-in-samsung-apple-case-198543 }
and now a couple Samsung products are literately banned from US sales, seems almost unreal. (Current inventory will be allowed to be cleared out); and Samsung might have to pay over 15 Billion dollars in fines.
This is getting serious; and with a over 4,000,000 users we are the best chance of getting some serious petitions going to:
1) Get Lucy Koh to resign
2) Stop apple from getting patents on things they did not invent and abusing the patent system.
3) Prevent a monopoly with smartphones, tablets, computers and operating systems
4) Change the patent system; which is not built to handle the technologies of today. (https://defendinnovation.org/)
5) Appeal the BAN on Samsung tablets and Galaxy Nexus, and stop abuse against Android OS!
Change.org is great place to start petitions, and just we all overturned SOPA/PIPA; this is our next fight. I ask for anyone that has experience or knowledge in starting this fight, to step up, we all collaborate and do this!
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Fault number 1: apple did not create any of the generic usability traits that they somehow got a patent on. You think they created clicking on a phone number in text and calling it? No, Nokia had it before apple. Hell, palm PDAs had half the stiff apple is using now.
They are abusing a corrupt, stupid patent system. Those old fargs in charge don't know wtf they're doing when they issue a patent on using your finger to navigate a touchscreen.
Other companies just have some dignity, and possibly not the connections high up in the patent office that apple has. Source code is something you can patent, not a gui.
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Do does anyone want to help secure the future of our devices our just let apple take over compliantly.
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Do does anyone want to help secure the future of our devices our just let apple take over compliantly.
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There is little we the people can do other than to wait until Google, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC, get together and their lawyers smack Apple down. Don't worry so much over something you can't affect. :laugh:
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I read this and. I will keep a eye out for this topic.
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There is little we the people can do other than to wait until Google, Microsoft, Samsung, HTC, get together and their lawyers smack Apple down. Don't worry so much over something you can't affect. :laugh:
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Before i would agree with you but after seeing the unprecedented affect WE had on crushing sopa/pipa, it completely changed my mind on how much power we really have.
And regarding your picture, there was also the compaq tc1000, and countless Samsung touchscreen only bar phones that were out years before iphone
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droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Apple makes most of their profits off their iPhones, so they are in the same situation as your vision of Samsung.
Android isn't going to die, and stop posting your crap in an Android forum.
(I mean, you don't even own a real phone there's no such thing as the Nokia i350. The closest I got is the Nokia 3500 Classic which is a candybar phone with a 1.8 inch screen)
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Ifans, IOS user can buy, sell, use, and be crazy about what they love. We deserve the same to buy, sell, use what we love. They can't just force us to use what they love... No matter whatever they have been trying to do, we will never get what we have never loved. We, user, should be the judge to decide not a idiot woman who has never learn what smart phones is and how smart phones work.
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Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Lol, zeedevil is that you?
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We were warned years ago that software patents should not be allowed. Copyright your code, patent an invention. Moving your finger across a screen is not an invention. Having an email program on a phone, not an invention. Etc.
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droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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You are part of the problem.
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You are part of the problem.
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Agree. While I am not an apple fan, I don't to see them die. I just want to see fair compatition from all manfactures, this way, we the consumers will have better toys to play with, as they will be compeating for our money to buy thier product. All this "patent war" is acomplishing is to stife inovation, and drving up the cost of products. In the end it is us, the consumers, that don't get a better product, and have to pay more for it.
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Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Maybe you should write some new material instead of copying, and pasting the exact same reply in multiple threads.
Pin it to Win it.
I agree with this. It's absurd to assume that we won't get any where by voicing an opinion. In my mind, apple can suck it. I've had iOS devices, I've had Android devices, Android blows iOS out the water every time, flash in a default browser, Firefox, custom ROMs, What you got apple fanboy? Ooh Cydia market, big whoop. But I'm off topic, where do I sign this petition at?
And I just wanna say one more time, suck it apple.
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droid4sale said:
Im very excited for android to die i can't wait. Samsung cant even sell enough tv's to pay for the fines.good luck android die a very fast death.
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Please stop bouncing around the forums posting useless junk. You have added nothing to any thread you've participated in.
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Its a phone u back in 95 way before u even knew what a cellphone was or could even get one lol
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Really??
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i agree, the way things are is ridiculous in the patent system. if anything this is keeping me from buying anything apple related and making me wish they would die the firey death the apple fanboy/topic derailer is chanting about.
Who cares about apple
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stupid iJudge.. so obvious she is getting bribes from apple... so sick of reading articles on apple sueing every company that threatens them...
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Actually she ruled against Apple initially but was overruled by the appeals court and instructed to revise her prior ruling.
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I agree with this. It's absurd to assume that we won't get any where by voicing an opinion. In my mind, apple can suck it. I've had iOS devices, I've had Android devices, Android blows iOS out the water every time, flash in a default browser, Firefox, custom ROMs, What you got apple fanboy? Ooh Cydia market, big whoop. But I'm off topic, where do I sign this petition at?
And I just wanna say one more time, suck it apple.
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http://www.change.org/petitions/app...nk&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
Spread the word!!
In yet another Apple lawsuit in the US, and yes it's against Samsung, Apple have listed several of their patents and what they want in compensation.
Aside from $2.25 billion for lost profits they say Samsung caused by misleading people with their copied look they also list the royalties they are demanding for use of their patents. Thought it might be interesting to see just how much (financially) a successful result for Apple will cost the end user.
Bear in mind that to use Samsungs patents Apple have offered just half a cent per unit even though Samsung own a number of standard essential patents. Apple want the following per unit from Samsung for each device sold....
$2.02 for allowing Samsung to use "overbounce" patent (the bit where your phone pings back when reaching the end of a gallery for example)
$3.10 for the scrolling api patent
$2.02 for allowing Samsung users to tap their screen in order to zoom in or out, or navigate
$24 for allowing Samsung to have devices that look similar
That's over thirty dollars per device. If they win (and as it is Judge Koh presiding it's very likely they will) then the end price of Samsungs android products will have to go up to incorporate this and it means that end users will end up paying more and getting hit in the pocket for what are surely implausibly high royalties.
How can Apple pay just half of one cent yet expect over thirty dollars in return?
Apple ceo Tim Cook said "we just want other people to invent their own stuff" recently but it looks like what they actually want is to make up their less than expected profit shortfall by picking on their best selling rivals until they can bring out the all singing all dancing iphone 5, at which point presumably they will then also sue Samsung for having a large screen phone
Dave
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http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/apple-seeks-25-billion-in-damages-from.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/uk-apple-samsung-damages-idUKBRE86N17E20120724
This is an outrage against Americans; please see the thread I made about starting a petition against many of the injustices Apple is doing. We cant let this go on so easily. Sad to see no one is chiming in. Its an open topic
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This is an outrage against Americans; please see the thread I made about starting a petition against many of the injustices Apple is doing. We cant let this go on so easily. Sad to see no one is chiming in. Its an open topic
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The problem is that it would also impact all non american users to as it is a per unit cost applied to all units not (I think) just ones sold in america.
Not seen your thread, but as am not american can't sign american petitions although I would have thought you would have to petition your congressmen, or is that who you mean? I was assuming you meant petition apple.
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Ohhhhh yeah. What do you expect. The Law is the Law! In the US that is common tool for making money. If they allow it, then it will hit the Courts.
Beside that Samsung has some money for rainy days ( from using the cheap plastic )
I am a proud apple hater but that doesn't change the facts. If Samsung overcharge us ( and i don't believe that ) we have another options like HTC, Moto, LG etc.
I simply can't understand why are you so concerned about? Sammy is a big boy and can look after himself. Make some popcorn put on the local "Court" channel and watch the game
No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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H O L Y HELL
What is wrong the patent system? How can someone get a patent to ELECTRONIC LISTS?! Makes no sense at all what is going on with these patents. "songs in music libraries"? Where ELSE would you have songs, in electronic lists? Which is again patented. Someone has to be getting paid on the inside, right?
The real cost to users is probably incalculable; increasing uncertainty causes less incentives for R&D, funds for which are diverted to dealing with the lawsuits in the first place.
In the long-term, this is a good thing: the more obvious the bull**** and harm to consumers, the more likely some drastic change would occur. Knowing humans, however, it could take several decades.
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No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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I am not sayin "TOLD'YA".
Ohhhhhh i am so gona get some chips and a bottle of whiskey to swalow all that bull..................... LOL
How good can this get?
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25984...spiration.html
fayosi said:
How good can this get?
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25984...spiration.html
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Hey links not working
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i will say, i'd rather pay more to get the android in protest than buy anything from apple. i hope their tactics and what they are doing now will be the death knell in the future.
Android kills iPhone
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Android kills iPhone
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Very informative post. I am glad that you made your point clear :banghead:
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Ohhhhh yeah. What do you expect. The Law is the Law! In the US that is common tool for making money. If they allow it, then it will hit the Courts.
Beside that Samsung has some money for rainy days ( from using the cheap plastic )
I am a proud apple hater but that doesn't change the facts. If Samsung overcharge us ( and i don't believe that ) we have another options like HTC, Moto, LG etc.
I simply can't understand why are you so concerned about? Sammy is a big boy and can look after himself. Make some popcorn put on the local "Court" channel and watch the game
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Because Apple will go after them as well once samsung is taken care of, Hell they already have been. If Samsung falls do you think Apple is going to let anyone else fill that gap?
Also if Samsung falls it means Apple has a precedent as being able to successfully sue over generic shallow patents. Everyones prices will rise, not just Samsungs.
I dont thinks Apple should get royalties for basic designs and tech they did not invent
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Because Apple will go after them as well once samsung is taken care of, Hell they already have been. If Samsung falls do you think Apple is going to let anyone else fill that gap?
Also if Samsung falls it means Apple has a precedent as being able to successfully sue over generic shallow patents. Everyones prices will rise, not just Samsungs.
I dont thinks Apple should get royalties for basic designs and tech they did not invent
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This.
Plus, because the apple patents they now have are vital to any mobile os (displaying documents on screen, using icons and widgets, touching a screen to input data, etcetera) but not under frand terms apple can refuse to allow their use and force phones using these features off the market.
And we're talking about a company who sued a grocer for having an apple as part of their logo so don't think that apple won't sue android out of existence if they can. They will.
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Feel free to sign that, but make sure to sign the petition on https://defendinnovation.org/
It's nearing 10,000. They have been successful in the past and put in the legwork to get the petitions where they need to go.
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)
deedscreen said:
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.
I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...
i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...
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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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tjb433 said:
I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
tjb433 said:
I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...
This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...
This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:
Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!
Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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Oh and just to add a good question shouldn't someone sue Apple for using someone else's technology like LCD, LED screens, let them have the right to the patents a lot it would do them with a device with no screen.
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