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Is Samsung fighting a losing battle?

First off, I searched the forums to see if anybody has really discussed what seems to be a one-sided trial and I haven't really found anything. So I ask this question because I am a little confused on the matter...
If you have been following the news lately, you would see that the samsung vs. apple case has begun. Barely two days into it samsung releases evidence of designs that predate the iphone which look kind of similar. Apparently this "key" evidence was rejected by Judge Koh on the basis that it is irrelevant. You can google search the facts about this but here is one link http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407919,00.asp
Now, I am no legal expert and just taking a quick glance and seeing the evidence and hearing that it was rejected by the judge makes no sense right now. It angered me to think that samsung wasn't given a fair chance to provide evidence that seems clearly relevant to why this whole trial is even taking place. But I figured I should withhold judgment until I learn all the facts because like I said, I am no expert on legal matters and I know there is two sides of the story.
My question is, is there a good reason as to why the judge threw evidence out like this? A lot of people are claiming the judge is being payed by apple but I'm not going to quickly jump to that conclusion. I am wondering if there are any fellow xda people out there that have some experience in law or know a lot about this case and can elaborate as to why this has happened. I want to know if it is unfair to jump to the assumption that apple is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes.
I'd prefer people with a decent amount of knowledge in this case speak up and not people who have read a few articles and think they know all about it.
If it's one thing I'm really starting to learn, it's that all these tech sites seem to have a bias towards them. I see some sites blatantly ignoring and even sometimes lying about android and it's features, usabillity, etc. So I'd rather get advice, experience, opinions from people who at least know what they're talking about.
Update Now Apple is asking for judge to punish samsung for releasing public documents to the press
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...amsung_for_releasing_documents_in_iPhone_suit

I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
But yeah, unfortunately I think Samsung is gonna get screwed on this one. Apple seems pretty good at deceiving juries and judges (especially certain ones) into believing that they invented everything in existence. I just hope it doesn't end too badly for Samsung, as their phones are probably the biggest reason why Android has risen up as a viable competitor to iOS (and even raced right past it in market share). The smartphone world needs that competition. I shudder at the thought of a world where the only real choice is getting an iPhone.

RoadHazard said:
I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
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Ahhh, I see. Well that makes sense if it there's a deadline and they didn't make it. I will say that I find it pretty strange that they didn't make the deadline with evidence that seems to be pretty damn important.

There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.

MissionImprobable said:
There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Worst case scenario... Apple wins. And also gets to enforce the recent touchscreen patents they were awarded. What does this mean for android? That's what I'm wondering. Although, I really hope this doesn't happen.

MissionImprobable said:
There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Yeah... Richard Posner seems to be one of the only sensible ones. Quoting The Guardian:
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At one point, for example, Apple claimed that Google was infringing one of its patents on the process of unlocking a phone by swiping the screen. "Apple's argument that a tap is a zero-length swipe," said Posner, "is silly. It's like saying that a point is a zero-length line."
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Apple is being silly, and this guy seems to be the only judge who gets that.

Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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Yeah, if they actually manage to ruin Android (I don't believe they will), I'll go for a Windows Phone a million times before I even look at an iPhone. I never used to actively dislike Apple, I just wasn't very interested in their products, but recently they've really made me think they're a ****ty anti-competitive company that doesn't deserve a cent of my money. I truly hate what they're trying to do to the smartphone market.

lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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I've kind of feel the same. I never really liked apple, although I know they make good products. After lots of research and hands on experience, I've realized iOS sucks compared to android. All it has is smoothness. Android has far more features and is simpler to use in my opinion. What apple really is good at is hype. After all these lawsuits with them suing everybody for what seems like ridiculous things, it's making me really hate the company now.

Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!

pk92 said:
Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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DD-Ripper said:
Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.

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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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Because Samsung has some respect which Apple dont have. Thats why Apple is playing such cheap games on Samsung.
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I should point out, in the interests of fairness, that despite many of our suspicions regarding bribery or illicit deals there has never been the slightest evidence apple have bought legal rulings by anything other than legitimate and transparent means.
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....

Hell Guardian said:
Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.

ingenious247 said:
This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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mistermentality said:
Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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If worse comes to worst you know we'll just all switch to buying Chinese android devices. The Chinese system not only ignores Apple's chicanery, but has ruled in favor of several plaintiffs against Apple and allows the phones that truly are copies to be sold freely. I don't in any way foresee it coming to that but it will be a long, long time before Apple ever sees dollar one of my money and I will do whatever I can to keep an Android device in my hands.
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ingenious247 said:
It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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You're not getting this. Samsung has shown (to the best of my knowledge the evidence that was tossed by Judge Koh, was legit from Samsung), that they had prior art to this style of design, the apps, the home button, the rounded corners, well before Apple ever went public with the iPhone.

Who agrees with me about Samsung/Apple relationship

Apple sued Sammy: Then G-Nex was banned(later appealed). Then another sue to potentially kill android.
But Apple's A5X processor is made by Samsung.
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.

airfluip1 said:
Apple sued Sammy: Then G-Nex was banned(later appealed). Then another sue to potentially kill android.
But Apple's A5X processor is made by Samsung.
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Samsung will destroy apple, lawsuits or not. Open sources/ freedom always comes out on top. Its this difference that leaves the first generation iPhones still running iOS 3 and the original galaxy s with the latest os jelly bean.
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it's a little more complicated than that. while sammy makes the chips in the current crop of iDevices, They would really not like to lose all that apple business (think of all the millions of samsung parts sold to apple. samsung makes a LOT of money from apple products, and it would be a huge hit to their business if that stopped.
I think apple may be moving away from samsung for the next gen devices anyway, so it may not even matter.

Actually iPad is a5x, made by Sammy, and next iPhone 5 will most likely have the same processor.
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airfluip1 said:
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Sorry airfluip but there's no way that happens. Sammy makes money off of those chips they sell to Apple. If Sammy decides not to give Apple the chips they would be in breach of contract. Lots of money lost either way. Let's say that Sammy decides not to renew the contract. Well you can bet there are plenty of other chip manufacturers out there who would love the cash from that contract. Did I mention money? It's the bottom line when concerning business. Consumers may have brand loyalty but companies do not.

Hi hechoen
You're also not accurate.
Regarding the Retina screen that Sammy manufactures for the idevices, Sammy's the only one in the world that was up for the specifications Apple required, so if Sammy does decide to swallow this pill, Apple really is FCKed. However, it won't happen - the money is too good to let go, Apple pays good money.
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I know I might have been a bit wrong, but really. The company that's holding you up on your feet, and you're hitting it on the head? (Apple sue Sammy)

itzik,
I didn't realize Sammi was also making the display. I was talking about the chipsets. If Apple was really worried about it they would of started to produce their own by now. And they just won there lawsuit against Sammi:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/

I heard Apple won the suit.
A simple fact is that only in the US did Apple win that, which raises the possibility that pure patriotism got into considerations. But Sammy is a monster company and Google's Motorola has some real strong suits against Apple including Apple's star - Siri, which was copied from Moto. On the long run, Google's way will win.
And by the way, Apple doesn't have the tools to even get started on making displays. They are completely dependent on Sammy with current specification.
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itzik2sh said:
And by the way, Apple doesn't have the tools to even get started on making displays. They are completely dependent on Sammy with current specification.
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I'd say 10 billion is cash reserves is all the "tools" that they would need. That's just there liquid cash pile. No company in the world even comes close.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/24/apple-q2-earnings-apple-now-has-over-110-billion-in-cash-reserves/

Personally...
... I would sooner go back to a motorolla RAZR V3 before buying/accepting an iPhone, so they can pull a few hundred off of their "damages" from me.

I heard/read apple is looking at different manufacturers to make their A6 chip for their future phones. So them suing Sammy might be because they are looking to cut all ties and out source elsewhere.
Either way, Android is here to stay.
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So basically, Samsung is doomed in the android market for now.
I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'

http://9to5mac.com/2012/03/13/oh-th...-of-the-ipad-retina-display-bloombergisuppli/
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/13/samsung-sole-supplier-for-retina-display-in-new-ipad/
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airfluip1 said:
So basically, Samsung is doomed in the android market for now.
I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
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No not necessarily. Appeals will be filed extensions will be filed to allow them to use the current designs. I have a feeling the next lineup of nexus phones will be from sony, lg, motorola and samsung. However you will not see a Gnex from Motorola the Galaxy line is licensed by Samsung.

yeah you know what I mean.
Next Google "flagship" phone.

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I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
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Motorola and their lock bootloaders? booooo lol
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They have locked bootloaders?
But are they still custom flashable?
Because it'll be AOSP not Motoblur.
But then again G-Nex does have download mode.

Motorola up until recently with the Photon Q has locked the boot loaders.
A Nexus flagship phone has to be unlocked so if Moto wants to be part of the group they need to be prepared to unlock the bootloader out of the gate.

They only won in the US. Samsung is Far too diverse of a company...the apple $ is super nice don't get me wrong but they were a giant before apple and will be more so after. Besides Motorola/Google are reported to be going after apple for knowingly using Moto's wireless connectivity technology(or something like that)without permission or paying royalties and apple refuses to negotiate.... if I understand it correctly All apple devices with wireless connectivity fall under 6 or 7 patent violations...1billion is chump change compared to them apples.
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i officially HATE apple

damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....

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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.

I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.

I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?

Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
rorytmeadows said:
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?

Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox

wiswis said:
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors

Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.

The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.

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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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rorytmeadows said:
I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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Sompom said:
What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.

I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.

A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".

What next for samsung?

My only hope for Samsung is that they take a huge risk with the next phone, they have the tech to blow any phone away and I hope they set a new level far beyond other phones.
As we have seen Samsung are sitting on some very nice processor/gpu chips, add to that the whole flexible screen tech and other stuff we have yet to see.
They can bring it out when they like but as with most companies they give it to you in little stages, I mean look at the PS3 Xbox360, both have been around far too long, the new machines should have been out a year or so ago, the problem was/is us, we kept buying the machines, there was no reason for the companies to bring out new tech as we are happy to spend money on these ones, most firms will not move on if the old product is selling well.
Its kind of like this for our phones, why jump from say a 1mp camera to a 10mp when people will be happy with a 3mp, then the year later do a 5mp, if you jump to the extreme early on you soon run out of new things to help sell a product (Look at the Iphone3/3g/3gs and its little changes that were wow to so many and yet really were “are you kidding me my i8910 does that and more”)
Anyway point been Samsung can bring out a phone that will blow us all away, it would really screw other firms as it would force them to use tech they were dripping out to us, this is not something they want to do as it puts production costs up and it means they have to get creative, all these things cost a company a load of money.
If Samsung could afford to do this it would sort a lot of issues out, it would help show the world just how bad Apple really are, it would put an end to Samsung having to conform to Apple lawyers and turn it all around.
Maybe its just a silly thought but they can do this, it all comes down to cost, but I think the loss/maybe loss on the next tech would be worth it just to put them way ahead of the game.

Could you divide that text up in paragraphs to make it easier to read?

I thought it was divided into paragraphs.
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It's all up to Apple, ask them what is allowed..
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Apple are pathetic and i had a feeling they (would pay the judges off) win this case, mind you even though 1 billion is a serious amount of money to most to Samsung it's a drop in the ocean and if anything they will come out of this better as the hype surrounding their new flagship phone to replace the Galaxy S3 most probably next year will be huge and ive a feeling it will be a masterpiece.

Surely enough is enough! I cannot believe how corrupt the US Courts are.

Amrut223 said:
Surely enough is enough! I cannot believe how corrupt the US Courts are.
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It is not the court, but started in patent office that allowed all those bull**** patents to be registered and them the jury that has no idea about patents and yet decides about their validity.

Its been said already but look at a few facts.
America vs Korea
Case held in America, Held in California which is Apples home state....and the 12 random people? well at a guess its their home state=not a chance in hell.
There is a interview with one of the 12 and he even shows how fake it all was, he says that within the first day they all agreed that Apple was in the right, and yet a few lines later he says that they took the full amount of time given to look at the evidence and come to a decision=eh? you just said it was agreed on the 1st day?
Funny how over in Korea the case was 50/50 both pay up and both behave....state side Samsung please bend over while we shaft up.

Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy

LokiDemi said:
Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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Sony is not innovating either
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LokiDemi said:
Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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accept what? apple will sue sony one day for the very same multi touch patent and then you will how poor it is
anyway this topic is nowhere related to s3....

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Sony is not innovating either
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You're wrong kid, in fact Google is experimenting Xperia S for AOSP. Read the news. Sony is "Quiet but Deadly"!

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You're wrong kid, in fact Google is experimenting Xperia S for AOSP. Read the news. Sony is "Quiet but Deadly"!
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You called that innovating?
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bala_gamer said:
accept what? apple will sue sony one day for the very same multi touch patent and then you will how poor it is
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No, Sony will not be sued by apple for the very same multi touch patent, it's an Android feature. Google will be sued, this means all android 2.2 and up will be affected.

LokiDemi said:
No, Sony will not be sued by apple for the very same multi touch patent, it's an Android feature. Google will be sued, this means all android 2.2 and up will be affected.
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Then tell me why it didn't happen? Though its android feature with the likes of company like apple you don't have any surety for net getting sued.
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You called that innovating?
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Just watch and see kid. Just watch and see
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bala_gamer said:
Then tell me why it didn't happen? Though its android feature with the likes of company like apple you don't have any surety for net getting sued.
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Because Sony designed the iphones

What's next for Samsung? I know consorting with chip manufacturers stopping giving chips to Apple, iPhone fails and Samsung stops selling phones in America.
Then Apple has personally screwed all Americans over and they will call for blood and Apple dies.
I think that's reasonable.
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What's next for Samsung? I hope finally a phone without a physical home button. They'll presumably stop copying iPhone after this, so there'll be no reason for that button.

Yeah wonder how long the deal is with them to sell them chips, just wonder if they will pass when deal runs out.
I dont think the US knows just how fu%&ed they will be if Android phones were pulled from their shops.
But I guess the deal is worth a load of money as around 30% of the iphone4s was made by Samsung.
After all this I would think Apple are not well liked in Asia now?
I know it will not happen but I would love to see Samsung bring out a big leap in tech for their phones and not be sold in US, might wake people up to what they are missing.
As for Sony, they will do their thing, they have some nice looking phones but they always seem like a year behind most others.

@OP ( didn't wanna quote your whole post), first, ps3 and Xbox360 are fine, I think next year is when they should introduce the new generation. Second, Samsung will be just fine. They already have hardware power for decades, they just need to work on their designs. I'm sure they will innovate and do very well, they are just getting started. It sucks but it's normal that Apple is coming this hard at Samsung cause Sammy is really a threat to Apple. This whole patent thing is bogus and gives too much power to Apple and no room to innovate for the other OEMs. This is why I don't respect Apple, they don't want any competition they just want to monopolize everything. Google and it's partners need to take some sort of action against Apple to prevent things like that dumb trial from happening.
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Hilarious, yet informative youtube video

I don't want to start a war here...This post is not to get people riled up, nor is this meant to be a punching bag on apple users, but I was browsing youtube and stumbled across this and couldn't stop laughing! I figured you all would enjoy it as well
While very extreme and supremely funny, there are some interesting points made here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctoLEZQDAQM

Sheesh this was a total waste of 5 minutes of my time. From the sidekick using a Mac book during an Apple rant to the talking head prick who does not know Tunisia, Egypt, and Syria from Iran.

Not even mad. nothing wrong with Apple..
Apple > Microstain imo..
Apple is for the person who wants a piece of hardware that WORKS and doesn't break.

I have nothing against apple. If I have the choice of using Windows or using Mac, I'll probably choose a Mac. While I don't like the iPhone, as many people here don't, 98% of people who aren't geeks like us and who just want a smartphone that does what they believe what a smartphone should do, then who am I to say what they should get. Now, I always recommend people to get Android devices, yes, but I'm not going to be a d*** about it. I honestly see no difference from a person who uses an iPhone and someone who uses an unrooted Android phone. They both just want a phone that works.

GroovyGeek said:
Sheesh this was a total waste of 5 minutes of my time. From the sidekick using a Mac book during an Apple rant to the talking head prick who does not know Tunisia, Egypt, and Syria from Iran.
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Didn't mean to make you upset about it. That's what I found hilarious about it. Different strokes for different folks I suppose.

His rant is a little off. He goes off about Apple, but really misses the points on why the company and its products are bad for the current technology market.
Apple isn't bad because they make over priced and locked down products, it's the persons choice if they want to purchase said products or not. Where Apple goes bad is trying to patent everything (including things they didn't come up with) and sue the competition if anything even comes close to something "they own" forcing other companies to find ways around all their patents.
Competition helps bring new technology to life as each company tries to out do the other. Apple doesn't want to compete, they want to stop other companies from being able to bring their product to the market which in turn forces technological progress to slow down.
Sell your over priced and locked down products to the people that want them, but don't take away my choices so I am forced to buy your over priced and locked down products.
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mirGantrophy said:
Not even mad. nothing wrong with Apple..
Apple > Microstain imo..
Apple is for the person who wants a piece of hardware that WORKS and doesn't break.
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Care to elaborate? I dont understand when people say they like Apple because it WORKS. Last time I checked every cell phone I've had can call/text...??
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richii0207 said:
Care to elaborate? I dont understand when people say they like Apple because it WORKS. Last time I checked every cell phone I've had can call/text...??
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The "it just works" argument, in my mind, is a valid one. Yes, most cellphones can call and text without issue, but it's about the simplicity as a whole. While all of the options to mess about with is great for us, I feel as though the average person only needs phone, text, camera, browser, and games--- and for those to work great. Even if they had the option for more, would they use it? Take a look at many average person's android phone. It is a complete mess- millions of notifications, status bar completely filled, probably a malware app on there or two. All of those things lead to instability. I just think that iOS is more average person proof.

richii0207 said:
Care to elaborate? I dont understand when people say they like Apple because it WORKS. Last time I checked every cell phone I've had can call/text...??
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In that case im talking about OSX > Windoze.
In the phone sense, apple is for people who want a great phone that works fine out of the box, and doesn't really "need" to be unlocked/jailbroken.
Now anyone running android that doesn't root should just get an iPhone in my honest opinion

If you don't root your android phone, it too "just works."
I have both an iPhone and an android phone, and I'm really happy having both. I prefer the iPhone for games and movies, and I use the android for produtivity. I know alot of people with this setup and its becoming more and more common.

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If you don't root your android phone, it too "just works."
I have both an iPhone and an android phone, and I'm really happy having both. I prefer the iPhone for games and movies, and I use the android for produtivity. I know alot of people with this setup and its becoming more and more common.
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I don't know anybody with an iphone and an android phone for that purpose. Come to think of it, the only people I know with two phones are people with their personal and work devices. If I wanted a setup similar to that it would be an android and an ipad. Cheaper and more real estate for gaming. Seems like a lot of money to have two phones even if you are switching the sim card between both.
I suppose a reason could be is that you are feeling in a gaming mood when you leave your house and don't want to lug two devices with you. Or you are going to a meeting and don't want to lug two devices. Still though, ipad is cheaper and more real estate.