Apple sued Sammy: Then G-Nex was banned(later appealed). Then another sue to potentially kill android.
But Apple's A5X processor is made by Samsung.
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Apple sued Sammy: Then G-Nex was banned(later appealed). Then another sue to potentially kill android.
But Apple's A5X processor is made by Samsung.
So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Samsung will destroy apple, lawsuits or not. Open sources/ freedom always comes out on top. Its this difference that leaves the first generation iPhones still running iOS 3 and the original galaxy s with the latest os jelly bean.
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it's a little more complicated than that. while sammy makes the chips in the current crop of iDevices, They would really not like to lose all that apple business (think of all the millions of samsung parts sold to apple. samsung makes a LOT of money from apple products, and it would be a huge hit to their business if that stopped.
I think apple may be moving away from samsung for the next gen devices anyway, so it may not even matter.
Actually iPad is a5x, made by Sammy, and next iPhone 5 will most likely have the same processor.
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So Apple should be careful otherwise Sammy could kill all i devices.
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Sorry airfluip but there's no way that happens. Sammy makes money off of those chips they sell to Apple. If Sammy decides not to give Apple the chips they would be in breach of contract. Lots of money lost either way. Let's say that Sammy decides not to renew the contract. Well you can bet there are plenty of other chip manufacturers out there who would love the cash from that contract. Did I mention money? It's the bottom line when concerning business. Consumers may have brand loyalty but companies do not.
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You're also not accurate.
Regarding the Retina screen that Sammy manufactures for the idevices, Sammy's the only one in the world that was up for the specifications Apple required, so if Sammy does decide to swallow this pill, Apple really is FCKed. However, it won't happen - the money is too good to let go, Apple pays good money.
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I know I might have been a bit wrong, but really. The company that's holding you up on your feet, and you're hitting it on the head? (Apple sue Sammy)
itzik,
I didn't realize Sammi was also making the display. I was talking about the chipsets. If Apple was really worried about it they would of started to produce their own by now. And they just won there lawsuit against Sammi:
http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2012/08/24/jury-reaches-verdict-in-apple-vs-samsung-case/
I heard Apple won the suit.
A simple fact is that only in the US did Apple win that, which raises the possibility that pure patriotism got into considerations. But Sammy is a monster company and Google's Motorola has some real strong suits against Apple including Apple's star - Siri, which was copied from Moto. On the long run, Google's way will win.
And by the way, Apple doesn't have the tools to even get started on making displays. They are completely dependent on Sammy with current specification.
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And by the way, Apple doesn't have the tools to even get started on making displays. They are completely dependent on Sammy with current specification.
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I'd say 10 billion is cash reserves is all the "tools" that they would need. That's just there liquid cash pile. No company in the world even comes close.
http://techcrunch.com/2012/04/24/apple-q2-earnings-apple-now-has-over-110-billion-in-cash-reserves/
Personally...
... I would sooner go back to a motorolla RAZR V3 before buying/accepting an iPhone, so they can pull a few hundred off of their "damages" from me.
I heard/read apple is looking at different manufacturers to make their A6 chip for their future phones. So them suing Sammy might be because they are looking to cut all ties and out source elsewhere.
Either way, Android is here to stay.
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So basically, Samsung is doomed in the android market for now.
I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
http://9to5mac.com/2012/03/13/oh-th...-of-the-ipad-retina-display-bloombergisuppli/
http://www.macrumors.com/2012/03/13/samsung-sole-supplier-for-retina-display-in-new-ipad/
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So basically, Samsung is doomed in the android market for now.
I hope Gnex 2 is by Motorola 'Mobility'
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No not necessarily. Appeals will be filed extensions will be filed to allow them to use the current designs. I have a feeling the next lineup of nexus phones will be from sony, lg, motorola and samsung. However you will not see a Gnex from Motorola the Galaxy line is licensed by Samsung.
yeah you know what I mean.
Next Google "flagship" phone.
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Motorola and their lock bootloaders? booooo lol
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They have locked bootloaders?
But are they still custom flashable?
Because it'll be AOSP not Motoblur.
But then again G-Nex does have download mode.
Motorola up until recently with the Photon Q has locked the boot loaders.
A Nexus flagship phone has to be unlocked so if Moto wants to be part of the group they need to be prepared to unlock the bootloader out of the gate.
They only won in the US. Samsung is Far too diverse of a company...the apple $ is super nice don't get me wrong but they were a giant before apple and will be more so after. Besides Motorola/Google are reported to be going after apple for knowingly using Moto's wireless connectivity technology(or something like that)without permission or paying royalties and apple refuses to negotiate.... if I understand it correctly All apple devices with wireless connectivity fall under 6 or 7 patent violations...1billion is chump change compared to them apples.
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http://pocketnow.com/android/apple-seeks-preliminary-injunction-against-samsung-galaxy-nexus
seriously ? word completion
wtf
really... this apple way really offending me.... why they did not realize good and cheap products instead of sueing everybody they think are market better ranked???
who will they suite now? the nature cause of electron speed in battery charge???
apple wake up!
Word Completion, seriously Apple? They've had that in Windows Mobile since at least 2000 (possibly earlier on Windows CE) and it really wasn't much different from what Apple has on the iPhone today.
More ridiculousness from camp crApple!
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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Sigh.
I hope what goes around comes around one day.
I'm waiting for the day when the other OEMs gang up on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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The way Apple directly attacked Google it this one, makes the think how long Google will hold out before unleashing Motorola's patents on Apple.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
Once somebody invents something, nobody else better even try to make a competing product. Apple will not rest until they are a complete monopoly. There were touch screen phones with Windows Mobile, Palm, etc years before the iPhone. I had no problem with the iPhone in 2007, it had quite a different UI from previous touch screen phones. Android also had a UI quite different from the iPhone when it came out. It had widgets, a notification bar, etc. I'm sure iOS inspired some of Android's UI but thats like saying Yahoo inspired Google.
Its a wonder Google was even allowed to start as a company since there were search engines established years before Google like Yahoo, AltaVista, etc. Its too bad one of them didn't copyright the search button, they could have sued Google out of existence in the late 90s.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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Says it all
http://www.androidcentral.com/apple...exus?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=pulsenews
It's time for Google to step in and put a stop to this bull****. The first patent in question is the same one that was upheld against HTC in a move that shocked the tech community at large, essentially giving Apple the rights to the hyperlink --something invented over 20 years ago by numerous companies that aren't Apple.
The other three are just as laughable, or would be if not for the fact that Apple was allowed to secure the patents at all. Every single one of them has existed as prior art long before Apple became relevant, yet a patent was granted each and every time. This is the core of the problem. You can't blame Apple for trying, it's cheaper to litigate away your competition than it is to out-innovate them. And make no mistake -- that's exactly what's going on here. Apple wants Android to go away, and a look at any chart that shows market share will tell you why. It's a ****ty way to get ahead, but it's too easy not to try. It's going to take a tech giant to change the way this all works, and we know nobody can count on Apple or Microsoft to do it, because this is their system, created the way they like it, and making them rich. If Apple is afraid to go after Google, Google needs to go after Apple instead of sitting on their laurels waiting to ride in and save the day at the last minute.
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You know little to nothing. In several courts in Europe apple is losing law suits and in some cases are not allowed to sell their drek. They are constantly attempting to patent things that already exist, and are trying to sue away superior products because they can not compete with the innovation of others. Apple did revolutionize the industry in 2007, and have done nothing but fallen behind since then. Their current product is so devoid of innovation it is embarrassing. They are on average a full calendar year behind the competition, but mindless fanboys, like you choose to ignore it
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
Britney Spears sold a ton of albums. Does that make her the best musical artist
The features of Ios 5 have been present in other mobile platforms for over a year. Dual core was available long before the 4s. Voice commands have Been around in android since gingerbread
It's simple, apple sells, no doubting that, they just do not innovate. They have not innovated since the first iPhone, **** they do not even offer 4g or 1gb of ram on any of their cell phones
But I am feeding the mindless troll, so I apologize
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forget i even said it.
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iPhones outsell others in certain situations because they are sold refurbished and cheap due to upgrades held within 2-year contracts. For instance, I bought an HTC Aria with AT&T almost 2 years ago. April 4th I qualify for a FREE upgrade to an iPhone 4.
Not everyone purchases their phones full-price and unlocked.
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
nevermind.
avoiding infraction.
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They already would have if the Moto patents were that great. Google isn't dumb enough to sue Apple directly seeing how Android is very much, uh "inspired" by iOS. Take a look at early Android prototypes, they're basically BB clones that suddenly did a 180 after the iPhone launch. Apple has a tremendous first mover advantage, and hold numerous patents pertaining to the iPhone, and they simply defending their IP. The "omg it's so obvious" line that Android fans always throw out there is nonsense, because nothing was stopping other vendors from revolutionizing the industry.
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Are you sure you don't work for apple as you never address specific issues and only ever criticise with generalisations?
First go look at the motorola patents and you'll see they hold many patents that you cannot have a modern smartphone without using including having a hidden antenna for example. Which, contrary to your claim google would not sue apple over, google authorised motorola to use in a us court case against apple.
As for defending their ip well many of the things they patent and litigate over were stolen. Oh and if you want to talk rip offs look into lg claiming iphone ripped off prada.
Now your "facts" are shown incorrect perhaps you'll start using real facts?
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You're not making any sense, if you had your phone for 2yrs then you qualify for upgrade pricing regardless of the phone. The carrier doesn't care whether you buy an iPhone or Android handset as long as they lock you into a new contract. You're making it sound as if iPhones are the only phones that get a carrier subsidy,which is obviously untrue.
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I hate to say this as its agreeing with you but your right. Most phones do have two year contracts.
However I think your incorrect on subsidies as if I recall correctly iphones are not subsidised.
Iphones sell well due to simplicity, good marketing, fashion and because once you own an apple product your locked into its eco system.
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What alternate reality do you live in man? Cocaine is a helluva drug I see. Superior products don't get outsold my a 3 year old iPhone 3GS. The top 3 selling smart phones in the US are iPhone 4s, iPhone 4 and iPhone 3GS, which means that a THREE year old phone outsold the "superior" competition. The iPhone also happens to be the top selling smart phone on virtually all carriers in the US and Europe(and likely Asia as well, but I'm not 100% sure on that one). Also, would you care to elaborate on how Apple is a full calendar year behind the competition? Last time I checked the iPhone outsold ALL Android phones combined on both AT&T and Verizon(huge Android backer btw) in the 4th quarter. The facts simply don't support your argument in any way, shape or form.
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If course iphone sold more. More iphones are made than any one specific android equivalent. If you were to judge based on operating system not models you will find android out numbers ios.
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Have this debate with my nephew all the time he is locked into the apple echo system and as I say to him they have got him where they want him.....trapped. but I have said this many times on here and it sums apple up
Average product first class marketing
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Ok and if you actually bought Android apps then you're locked into Google's ecosystem. The only difference is Android apps are in typically of much lesser quality than iOS(the UI is particularly hideous IMO). I'd rather be locked into Apple's ecosystem with a better selection of quality,malware-free apps so you should really come up with a better argument for your nephew.
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)
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Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.
I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...
i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...
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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
tjb433 said:
I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...
This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...
This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:
Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!
Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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Oh and just to add a good question shouldn't someone sue Apple for using someone else's technology like LCD, LED screens, let them have the right to the patents a lot it would do them with a device with no screen.
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
Just my two cents
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".
My only hope for Samsung is that they take a huge risk with the next phone, they have the tech to blow any phone away and I hope they set a new level far beyond other phones.
As we have seen Samsung are sitting on some very nice processor/gpu chips, add to that the whole flexible screen tech and other stuff we have yet to see.
They can bring it out when they like but as with most companies they give it to you in little stages, I mean look at the PS3 Xbox360, both have been around far too long, the new machines should have been out a year or so ago, the problem was/is us, we kept buying the machines, there was no reason for the companies to bring out new tech as we are happy to spend money on these ones, most firms will not move on if the old product is selling well.
Its kind of like this for our phones, why jump from say a 1mp camera to a 10mp when people will be happy with a 3mp, then the year later do a 5mp, if you jump to the extreme early on you soon run out of new things to help sell a product (Look at the Iphone3/3g/3gs and its little changes that were wow to so many and yet really were “are you kidding me my i8910 does that and more”)
Anyway point been Samsung can bring out a phone that will blow us all away, it would really screw other firms as it would force them to use tech they were dripping out to us, this is not something they want to do as it puts production costs up and it means they have to get creative, all these things cost a company a load of money.
If Samsung could afford to do this it would sort a lot of issues out, it would help show the world just how bad Apple really are, it would put an end to Samsung having to conform to Apple lawyers and turn it all around.
Maybe its just a silly thought but they can do this, it all comes down to cost, but I think the loss/maybe loss on the next tech would be worth it just to put them way ahead of the game.
Could you divide that text up in paragraphs to make it easier to read?
I thought it was divided into paragraphs.
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It's all up to Apple, ask them what is allowed..
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Apple are pathetic and i had a feeling they (would pay the judges off) win this case, mind you even though 1 billion is a serious amount of money to most to Samsung it's a drop in the ocean and if anything they will come out of this better as the hype surrounding their new flagship phone to replace the Galaxy S3 most probably next year will be huge and ive a feeling it will be a masterpiece.
Surely enough is enough! I cannot believe how corrupt the US Courts are.
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Surely enough is enough! I cannot believe how corrupt the US Courts are.
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It is not the court, but started in patent office that allowed all those bull**** patents to be registered and them the jury that has no idea about patents and yet decides about their validity.
Its been said already but look at a few facts.
America vs Korea
Case held in America, Held in California which is Apples home state....and the 12 random people? well at a guess its their home state=not a chance in hell.
There is a interview with one of the 12 and he even shows how fake it all was, he says that within the first day they all agreed that Apple was in the right, and yet a few lines later he says that they took the full amount of time given to look at the evidence and come to a decision=eh? you just said it was agreed on the 1st day?
Funny how over in Korea the case was 50/50 both pay up and both behave....state side Samsung please bend over while we shaft up.
Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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Sony is not innovating either
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Guys accept it! We lose the battle, we don't have any creativity, we are copying instead of innovating. Now is the time to say that I really regret buying this phone. Well I got an Xperia S so I'm still happy
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accept what? apple will sue sony one day for the very same multi touch patent and then you will how poor it is
anyway this topic is nowhere related to s3....
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Sony is not innovating either
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You're wrong kid, in fact Google is experimenting Xperia S for AOSP. Read the news. Sony is "Quiet but Deadly"!
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You're wrong kid, in fact Google is experimenting Xperia S for AOSP. Read the news. Sony is "Quiet but Deadly"!
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You called that innovating?
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accept what? apple will sue sony one day for the very same multi touch patent and then you will how poor it is
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No, Sony will not be sued by apple for the very same multi touch patent, it's an Android feature. Google will be sued, this means all android 2.2 and up will be affected.
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No, Sony will not be sued by apple for the very same multi touch patent, it's an Android feature. Google will be sued, this means all android 2.2 and up will be affected.
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Then tell me why it didn't happen? Though its android feature with the likes of company like apple you don't have any surety for net getting sued.
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You called that innovating?
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Just watch and see kid. Just watch and see
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Then tell me why it didn't happen? Though its android feature with the likes of company like apple you don't have any surety for net getting sued.
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Because Sony designed the iphones
What's next for Samsung? I know consorting with chip manufacturers stopping giving chips to Apple, iPhone fails and Samsung stops selling phones in America.
Then Apple has personally screwed all Americans over and they will call for blood and Apple dies.
I think that's reasonable.
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What's next for Samsung? I hope finally a phone without a physical home button. They'll presumably stop copying iPhone after this, so there'll be no reason for that button.
Yeah wonder how long the deal is with them to sell them chips, just wonder if they will pass when deal runs out.
I dont think the US knows just how fu%&ed they will be if Android phones were pulled from their shops.
But I guess the deal is worth a load of money as around 30% of the iphone4s was made by Samsung.
After all this I would think Apple are not well liked in Asia now?
I know it will not happen but I would love to see Samsung bring out a big leap in tech for their phones and not be sold in US, might wake people up to what they are missing.
As for Sony, they will do their thing, they have some nice looking phones but they always seem like a year behind most others.
@OP ( didn't wanna quote your whole post), first, ps3 and Xbox360 are fine, I think next year is when they should introduce the new generation. Second, Samsung will be just fine. They already have hardware power for decades, they just need to work on their designs. I'm sure they will innovate and do very well, they are just getting started. It sucks but it's normal that Apple is coming this hard at Samsung cause Sammy is really a threat to Apple. This whole patent thing is bogus and gives too much power to Apple and no room to innovate for the other OEMs. This is why I don't respect Apple, they don't want any competition they just want to monopolize everything. Google and it's partners need to take some sort of action against Apple to prevent things like that dumb trial from happening.
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So samsung has really failed as a brand with this whole apple thing - and hopefully it will be overturned. but regadless, there is GOOD NEWS.
if you were planning on selling your skyrocket now is the time...
i sold my skyrocket a month ago, it took me 3 weeks to sell it at $275 which i though was very reasonable at the time. In that 3 weeks i got only 4 replies..
the AD however is still up and since FRIDAY i have gotten 12 emails for my skyrocket!
so if you are considering selling it in the very near future.. now might be the time =)
You fail.
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You fail.
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Not necessarily, he makes a good point
fail or not
Regardless if Samsung as a brand has failed, I am running andriod 4.1.1, Paranoidandriod beta 10, with the Darkside Venom A7 kernel and it is a BEAST!!! tons of battery, tons of options, and performs flawlessly. Fail or not, I love mine!
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Regardless if Samsung as a brand has failed, I am running andriod 4.1.1, Paranoidandriod beta 10, with the Darkside Venom A7 kernel and it is a BEAST!!! tons of battery, tons of options, and performs flawlessly. Fail or not, I love mine!
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You bring up a very good point.. That it doesn't matter if your product is 100x better then apple... If the world doesn't know it...
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So if Apple won their unfair case, why would we sell our skyrocket ?
You're funny
Obviously, OP is a spy from Apple trying to convince us that Samsung sucks and to get us to abandon our beloved skyrockets so that we can move to Apple products.
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Why would I get rid of this beast of a phone? So I could get Apples proprietary crap, with dated, over priced hardware, that up until now still doesn't support things like LTE? Screw the iPhone. My next phone is the galaxy note 2 (and still would keep this phone)
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For those who buys Apple products, they buy the brand. They're not buying a product. Those who are SMART buyers, they won't buy products from Apple. A pity that people with technical knowledge is few. To me, I love my skyrocket. It's a real beast.
Who has said Samsung as a brand has failed? Sorry but no. Just because they lost a court case does not mean it is the end of Samsung. Ever hear of the word injunction? And the vast majority of people do not even know the history of apple as a corporation.
If you sold your skyrocket, why are you even trying to get us to make the same mistake?
Umm the only reason samsung lost is because apple is more of a brand. Samsung has never marketed the Galaxy product line here in America.. What two commercials In 4 years?
Samsung's galaxy line did fail as a brand and that's the only reason they lost in court..
Hopefully samsung learns about how important marketing is in all of this and starts branding better here in the states.
Hello most of the jurors didn't even have smart phones but still wanted to "make samsung pay" how f'ed up is that?
Marketing professors will be discussing this for years. How samsung lost a court case that should have never been tried because people didn't know their brand... But apple who didn't even come up with half the items they patented won because people trust the name..
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Samsung lost because the only court that would hear their case was in northern CA. Northern CA is Apples *****. Don't get me wrong...apple makes good products for people that dont know enough tech stuff to stray into non-apple territory or for people that want to be a trendy douche. Whats really funny is if someone opens up an iphone and looks at a lot of the internal crap....guess who makes those parts??? Samsung! So Samsung lost to apple here in the states...big F'n deal. The rest of the world knows apple products are crap still.
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Samsung lost because the only court that would hear their case was in northern CA. Northern CA is Apples *****. Don't get me wrong...apple makes good products for people that dont know enough tech stuff to stray into non-apple territory or for people that want to be a trendy douche. Whats really funny is if someone opens up an iphone and looks at a lot of the internal crap....guess who makes those parts??? Samsung! So Samsung lost to apple here in the states...big F'n deal. The rest of the world knows apple products are crap still.
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Actually, it was worse than that. The case was tried in a San Francisco federal court, about 20 miles from Steve Jobs' home and 40 miles from Apple's headquarters.
And some jurors lived or worked a few miles from either of these.
I'm still trying to figure out why anyone calls this a failure on any level. Did Samsung copy some things? Yes. Did they copy everything? No. Did Apple win a case that gets them some money(as if they need it) and a POSSIBLE injunction on products that are currently outdated(by sales standards)? Sure. Does it matter in the long run? Not especially. Why? 1) Because they can afford the billion and change. 2) Their new and fast selling products are not on the injunction list and the ones on it have sold millions of units already. 3) All this does is set the tone for the inevitable licensing deal that will net BOTH companies money. 4) Where does Apple get 75% of the hardware required to build an iPhone? SAMSUNG. Did you really think they'd watch these machines built with their parts make billions and not get into the game? As we speak, Apple is trying everything they can to get off Samsung's titty but are having very limited success. And let's not even bring up Google. Actually, let's....... Google has filed suit against Apple and Apple is already cringing in the background. Licensing is already being established before trial, because why?..... THEY WILL LOSE! Do you know why? Because ANDROID IS OPEN SOURCE AND BASED OFF OF LINUX. WHICH IS BASED OFF OF UNIX. What is OSX based off of? YOU GUESSED IT, UNIX. The difference? Linux was designed to be shared. Apple changed it enough to call it their own and closed it off in order to be able to profit from it. Android is and (hopefully) will forever be OPEN SOURCE. SOOOoooo, does Apple have a snowballs chance in hell to win a case about copying their OS? Only in a 'you copied my icon design' kinda way. It's quite humorous actually.....
I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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Preference that's all it is.
Yes we have better hardware in most respects.
Software assuming both are stock is questionable based on personal preferences.
feeling the skyrocket xperiance
DudelePOWski said:
I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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Having an iphone before the SR, I would say that an average user is better off with an iphone.
Technical users definitely should get an android.
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I have a simple question:
I have never had an iPhone but do have a Skyrocket CM9 so:
For the average user of both products why would the members here consider a Samsung device 'superior'. Is that proposed 'superiority' based solely on the fact that it runs on an open-source OS or is it the hardware or is it both? Would the average non-root user experience be any better on Skyrocket than iPhone?
I am genuinely curious.
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I can only give you my opinion on that. I owned iPhones before Android devices, and the reason I find them superior is based on the open source aspect of the OS. I am all about customization of all my computer hardware. I like to upgrade memory, hard drives, and visual and productive features. Android is perfect for this; in fact the OS practically cries out for it. Apple does not make bad products; their equipment caters to a specific kind of user. If you want high-quality hardware where price is not an object and the hardware is ready to go out of the box, then Apple has good stuff to offer. If you want to upgrade their equipment or modify it, on the other hand, you are in for a hassle. Did you know that Apple tried to have the people who first 'jailbroke' iPhones locked up? Seriously, a judge had to tell them that once they sell their **** to somebody, that person can do whatever they want to it. Now, they have to be content with slamming you back to stock every time you update their firmware. Android vs. Apple is basically an apples/oranges kind of argument if it comes down the hardware itself. But, Android hardware offers not only the ability to upgrade and modify, but you can get in there and attempt to create personalized versions of current OS offerings. It is one of the things I am doing right now(see my sig). Apples equipment is top-notch in the quality area; I think even Apple haters would admit that much. But, they stifle creativity by the very nature of their heavy handed attitude towards the customization of their products. And as Forrest Gump would say, that's all ah have to say about thaht.....
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Having an iphone before the SR, I would say that an average user is better off with an iphone.
Technical users definitely should get an android.
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Why is that? UI easier? Faster? Just curious why you feel that way?
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Why is that? UI easier? Faster? Just curious why you feel that way?
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It's very simple to use.
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