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Google and Motorola Asked To Give Apple Their Android Development*Secrets!!??

This is totally insane!!
How can this even be considered!
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"As strange as it might seem, U.S. Circuit Judge Richard Posner has ordered Google and Motorola to hand over development details of the Android operating system to Apple.Not only that, but Motorola Mobility must also provide Apple information regarding its pending acquisition by Google.The reason for this is the ongoing patent lawsuit filed by Apple back in 2010 against Motorola. To try and handle the situation, Motorola’s attorney responded to the judge’s demand:Google’s employees and documents are not within the ‘possession, custody, or control’ of Motorola, and Motorola cannot force Google to produce documents or witnesses over Google’s objections"
http://alltechsecrets.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/u-s-judge-orders-google-and-motorola-to-give-apple-their-android-development-secrets/

I'm waiting to see more details about what information they are supposed to give up, I don't think it's anything from the development of present or future Android code or anything like that, it just doesn't make sense...

Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.

Dirtburgler said:
Apple has finally realized that their iPhone sucks it big time and need to steal from a bigger plate. Then act like it was their idea and call it iOS 6, with 200 new features that make no sense and no one will ever use, then charge an outrageous amount of money for it. As far as I am concerned, Their iOS is just old junk mac operating systems refined for a phone. There aren't making anything better, they just keep reworking old code with **** taken from cydia and other outside developers, then change the name of it, then sue the person who actually created it for copyright infringement. But hey, people are dumb enough to keep shelling out 300 to 400 dollars for the exact same os with some new tweaks, oh and a new beveled edge. Nice lol.
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However, they will still sell a gazillion iPhones and iPads. I personally don't like either (and pretty much hate them) however, they're obviously not bad, I just don't like the way Apple does things and Android feels much much better, from Google's side and specially from the community's side, it's just amazing what people (devs) can do with a few lines of code, I'm currently running ICS on my Motorola Defy, and it works a million times better than the stock Froyo!
I think than in a not too distant future, Apple will make some sort of change getting closer to the way Android does things, not only copying things like the notification bar, but with the release cycle for updates, and maybe even licensing the OS, obviously not now, but in a few years, I think it's a possibility if Android keeps gaining market share

I totally agree on the end product being great hardware, just the way they conduct business.
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It's a absolute joke this if google has to hand there's it's only rite for apple to be forced into handing there's aswell. Apple are a disgrace to technology! I can't wait for the day apple fails again,Microsoft should of ended apple when they had the chance!
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I have the iPhone and Sony experia play and apple is a embarrassment of a company, and how it's being run! and there not doing themselfs any favors going after all these companies.
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Steve Jobs favorite quote "Good artists copy, great artists steal"
Can someone please lock up these blatant thieves. How is it possible that we have allowed Apple and other large corporations to completely abuse the USPO and the courts. They same companies that cry about piracy, also use the courts to protect their piracy. Hollywood steals ideas all the time, Crapple steals over and over again from everyone, music companies steal from artists, but we the people are the problem. Funny how the system is just a bunch of very rich people who have the right to guarantee they will get richer by stealing and then using our own courts against us and against free enterprise. This is criminal.
Bow down to Crapple. If you don't comply we will make you. We have the right to do what we want, even if it is a crime.
PS Apple didn't invent the majority of the patents they hold, they just stole them and the courts (wink wink) approved.
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Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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Don't count on U.S. judges to rule in favor of private property rights. They're kinda trending away from that. I just hope legislators don't make it a law that everyone must purchase iPhones. The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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atljatl said:
The federal government mandating citizens to purchase a product would be wrong, imo.
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Like Health Care????

85gallon said:
Like Health Care????
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.... Perhaps.
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I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.

z33dev33l said:
I find it ironic how many android fans are calling apple, "thieves" in this thread.
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Why not? This isn't even part of the the normal copying of features (which I would question actually calling theft): apple is trying to force google to hand over their future plans. This is more or less the equivalent of corporate espionage.

Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.

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85gallon said:
Just like Apple stealing the idea for the ipod. I had one of these in 99 or 2000.
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My mind just got blown away.... thank you

z33dev33l said:
Still ironic, given the fact that most of Google's revenue is generated by 'obtaining' people's information and hiding things in the fine print. Then, there's the CIQ fiasco of late and the fact that the UI as a whole was heavily inspired by iOS. I mean yeah, they took your notification bar but had it not been for iOS android would closely resemble blackberry, the previous OS they were stealing their ideas from. I'm just tired of seeing google treated like white knights when they are just as bad as any other company.
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Hmmm except ciq is nothing to do with google and it affected ios too.
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The rest of the points still stand and it's still android devices stealing user info. Perhaps I'm biased because I was one of few who wasn't concerned about CIQ, being a wp7 user and all.

If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!

galaxys said:
If only applesauce & microsoft would quite stealing 'functionality' from Android!
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Haha, thanks. I needed a good laugh.

The real dollar cost of Apples US court case to android users

In yet another Apple lawsuit in the US, and yes it's against Samsung, Apple have listed several of their patents and what they want in compensation.
Aside from $2.25 billion for lost profits they say Samsung caused by misleading people with their copied look they also list the royalties they are demanding for use of their patents. Thought it might be interesting to see just how much (financially) a successful result for Apple will cost the end user.
Bear in mind that to use Samsungs patents Apple have offered just half a cent per unit even though Samsung own a number of standard essential patents. Apple want the following per unit from Samsung for each device sold....
$2.02 for allowing Samsung to use "overbounce" patent (the bit where your phone pings back when reaching the end of a gallery for example)
$3.10 for the scrolling api patent
$2.02 for allowing Samsung users to tap their screen in order to zoom in or out, or navigate
$24 for allowing Samsung to have devices that look similar
That's over thirty dollars per device. If they win (and as it is Judge Koh presiding it's very likely they will) then the end price of Samsungs android products will have to go up to incorporate this and it means that end users will end up paying more and getting hit in the pocket for what are surely implausibly high royalties.
How can Apple pay just half of one cent yet expect over thirty dollars in return?
Apple ceo Tim Cook said "we just want other people to invent their own stuff" recently but it looks like what they actually want is to make up their less than expected profit shortfall by picking on their best selling rivals until they can bring out the all singing all dancing iphone 5, at which point presumably they will then also sue Samsung for having a large screen phone
Dave
Sources:
http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/07/apple-seeks-25-billion-in-damages-from.html
http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/24/uk-apple-samsung-damages-idUKBRE86N17E20120724

This is an outrage against Americans; please see the thread I made about starting a petition against many of the injustices Apple is doing. We cant let this go on so easily. Sad to see no one is chiming in. Its an open topic

96shox said:
This is an outrage against Americans; please see the thread I made about starting a petition against many of the injustices Apple is doing. We cant let this go on so easily. Sad to see no one is chiming in. Its an open topic
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The problem is that it would also impact all non american users to as it is a per unit cost applied to all units not (I think) just ones sold in america.
Not seen your thread, but as am not american can't sign american petitions although I would have thought you would have to petition your congressmen, or is that who you mean? I was assuming you meant petition apple.
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Ohhhhh yeah. What do you expect. The Law is the Law! In the US that is common tool for making money. If they allow it, then it will hit the Courts.
Beside that Samsung has some money for rainy days ( from using the cheap plastic )
I am a proud apple hater but that doesn't change the facts. If Samsung overcharge us ( and i don't believe that ) we have another options like HTC, Moto, LG etc.
I simply can't understand why are you so concerned about? Sammy is a big boy and can look after himself. Make some popcorn put on the local "Court" channel and watch the game

No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!

deedscreen said:
No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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H O L Y HELL
What is wrong the patent system? How can someone get a patent to ELECTRONIC LISTS?! Makes no sense at all what is going on with these patents. "songs in music libraries"? Where ELSE would you have songs, in electronic lists? Which is again patented. Someone has to be getting paid on the inside, right?

The real cost to users is probably incalculable; increasing uncertainty causes less incentives for R&D, funds for which are diverted to dealing with the lawsuits in the first place.
In the long-term, this is a good thing: the more obvious the bull**** and harm to consumers, the more likely some drastic change would occur. Knowing humans, however, it could take several decades.

deedscreen said:
No no no, it gets even better!!!
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
Yaaaaaaay!!!!
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I am not sayin "TOLD'YA".
Ohhhhhh i am so gona get some chips and a bottle of whiskey to swalow all that bull..................... LOL

How good can this get?
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25984...spiration.html

fayosi said:
How good can this get?
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/25984...spiration.html
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Hey links not working
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i will say, i'd rather pay more to get the android in protest than buy anything from apple. i hope their tactics and what they are doing now will be the death knell in the future.

Android kills iPhone
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Android kills iPhone
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Very informative post. I am glad that you made your point clear :banghead:
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chaki- said:
Ohhhhh yeah. What do you expect. The Law is the Law! In the US that is common tool for making money. If they allow it, then it will hit the Courts.
Beside that Samsung has some money for rainy days ( from using the cheap plastic )
I am a proud apple hater but that doesn't change the facts. If Samsung overcharge us ( and i don't believe that ) we have another options like HTC, Moto, LG etc.
I simply can't understand why are you so concerned about? Sammy is a big boy and can look after himself. Make some popcorn put on the local "Court" channel and watch the game
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Because Apple will go after them as well once samsung is taken care of, Hell they already have been. If Samsung falls do you think Apple is going to let anyone else fill that gap?
Also if Samsung falls it means Apple has a precedent as being able to successfully sue over generic shallow patents. Everyones prices will rise, not just Samsungs.
I dont thinks Apple should get royalties for basic designs and tech they did not invent

hungry81 said:
Because Apple will go after them as well once samsung is taken care of, Hell they already have been. If Samsung falls do you think Apple is going to let anyone else fill that gap?
Also if Samsung falls it means Apple has a precedent as being able to successfully sue over generic shallow patents. Everyones prices will rise, not just Samsungs.
I dont thinks Apple should get royalties for basic designs and tech they did not invent
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This.
Plus, because the apple patents they now have are vital to any mobile os (displaying documents on screen, using icons and widgets, touching a screen to input data, etcetera) but not under frand terms apple can refuse to allow their use and force phones using these features off the market.
And we're talking about a company who sued a grocer for having an apple as part of their logo so don't think that apple won't sue android out of existence if they can. They will.
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Petition: http://www.change.org/petitions/app...nk&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition
SPREAD the word!

Feel free to sign that, but make sure to sign the petition on https://defendinnovation.org/
It's nearing 10,000. They have been successful in the past and put in the legwork to get the petitions where they need to go.

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung

I HATE Apple: They just won their suite against Samsung
Rounded corners, can't do that, Apple OWNS the rounded cornered rectangle. Much hate for Apple. Will never buy one of their products, ever.
They are making less choices for us and jacking prices. Worse yet, if this stands they'll probably go after Google and the Droid OS.
Thoughts? Comments?
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apple is the best.

BaconStep said:
apple is the best.
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lol

Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/the-sleeping-giant-may-have-awoken/
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UZ7 said:
Just wait for Google. They're going to break apple lol.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,

Anyone wonder how many of the jurors had iPhones?
Hey guys, remember when Apple invented smartphones? And music?
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madmajd said:
or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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Agreed, now that Jobs is gone, I don't see their innovation level holding. People like Apple for is simplicity though. Most people are lazy and want things simple.
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or apple could break itself, because the iphone is just a trend, like those beats by dr dre headphones, soon the iphone trend will die off and people will stop buying them,
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
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As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it

Bet everyone in the jury are apple owners
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And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Apple's a spoiled child used to all the attention, and Samsung is the newborn baby brother that now gets the attention. No matter which way this case goes, us as a consumer are gonna lose out. Apple went after Samsung because they were dominating the market. Next, they'll probably come at HTC. And it'll be that way until Apple gets the attention back.
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It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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shaggyskunk said:
And a Jury, never got it wrong? "rounded corners" - Really?
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Microsoft owns a patent for file truncation. A patent for shortening a file name to make it easier to read. Every company has ****ty patents
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While it may be wrong perhaps the others are inclined to do so to head off an Apple first strike. It seems like Apple wants to own everything down to basic geometric shapes...
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I get what you're saying but suing doesn't "head off" anything. It just adds to the pile of crap that is the patent industry. MS, Google, Kodak all have patents that shouldn't exist
Everyone needs to take off their Android glasses for a second. In terms of following the law this was an open and shut case.
Samsung had a 100 page smoking gun document that said "Apples phone is awesome, let's do what they're doing."
Touchwiz is a very blatant ripoff of iPhone UI.
They should have lost the case, but it is true the case should never have been in court.
Unfortunately all the patents were ruled valid, so this will keep happening.
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whosgotlag said:
It's not a trend; the iPhone is a solid, fluid, well made device that any technological idiot can pick up and immediately start using. It will always have a market, and it always should. Competition is a good thing.
Which brings me to the link above Awakening the beast, blah blah blah. Apple may have started this, but that doesn't make it okay for Google to jump in and do the same thing. They're calling for every Apple device to be removed from the market? That's bull****.
I made this graphic as part a supplement for my final paper (yeah, I got to write about the patent wars. pretty sweet =]) for my professional writing course over the summer.
As you can see, every company is suing the **** out of each other. Apple may have the most, but it's wrong for all of those taking part.
"To promote the progress of science and useful arts" are patents original intention. It's supposed to foster ingenuity, and is supposed to benefit the inventor AND the general public. Clearly the system is broken, and the consumers are the ones who will feel it
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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.

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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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Red herring. Research in Motion is losing money because it's operating system sucks along with its tiny screen and keyboard.
The outward design of iPhone and Android is essentially the same, and they both target their DIFFERENT audiences effectively.
Those who own an iPhone do not want an Android. For the majority its not a question of what Android has to offer over iOS. Its not that they dont know about Android. They just don't like it.
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Samsung blatantly copied design cues from apple so I agree Sammy deserved to get hit but some of those design patents are bull**** bounce back, rectangle with rounded corners those are insane
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It's all a money issue. I'm so glad I moved away from the darkside of phones. I liked my iPhone for the years I had it, but I could see my LOVE for Android instantly after I bought my Skyrocket. Apple is such a powerful company and they have some of the best lawyers money can buy. They put so much legalese in thier contracts and patenting. It's ridiculous.

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You're right about the iphone being solid and fluid, but that doesn't mean that it wion't die off in a couple of years. Take Blackberry for example, everyone used to have them back in the day, now you get laughed at if you have one. Same thing with the iphone, a new device will come out in the next couple of years, and it will be the new trendy, cool thing to own.
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You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.

Most iPhone owners who aren't technologically inept go with their iPhone over Android with this being their huge argument.....Security. JB does make a tremendous progress in eliminating the laggyness that has been known to plague Android OS and does make it oh so smooth when working your way through all the features and apps. The main drawback to most still is security and how Apple does such a great job of securing accounts and identity on their devices. I for one can't stand that apple won this verdict but I don't think they will stop Samsung, but I'm sure they weren't expecting to. My guess is they waited to find the result of this case to buy them precious time to where they can unveil the iPhone5 to give them a large window to attempt to establish a landslide victory while freezing out its competition and running solo campaigns to gain more users.
It's like some douchebag person who is filthy rich and is going after a girl who likes you and you're not as well off. That person will do what they can and spend all kinds of money because they know you don't have as deep of pockets to even the playing field. He may not destroy you totally win or lose but he definitely succeeds in throwing dirt on your name and add some clout. Just my $0.02
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mostyle said:
You overlooked one of the main points there though.. The average Apple user doesn't want device control.. The wont ever even know what 'root' means.. They just want it it to work when they turn it on. Period. No thinking or no asking why (kind of like American politics?)
As long as Apple even remotely innovates their design periodically so that the non-technologically inclined user gets 'new' stuff every so often Apple will continue to flourish.
It's sad because their (Apple) ideal don't condone expanding your thoughts or thinking for yourself but rather 'Do what we think you should want to do and only that.'
That's what deters me from Apple products to be honest.. The box that they tell me that I have to live in if I purchase one of their products.
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I agree 100%.
Apple is more like living in a communist regime. Steve Jobs has been famous for saying it as his motto "You don't tell us what you want, we tell you."

Just wondering aren't practicality 80% of all phones rectangular with rounded corners?
Are you serious that shouldn't even be a patent. Its too general.
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[Q] This may sound tres "conspiracy theory-ist", BUT ...

Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.

WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.

JB?
hechoen said:
WOW. Really?? My phones running great on AOKP JB. Sounds more like user error than a multi-business conspiracy.
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.

Yeah you missed the whole point of this site. lol

NYCblues said:
Suddenly and without warning today ... this hypothesis struck me and started to develop (much like an impending thunderstorm). I wonder: What if somehow Apple managed to coerce AT&T into sabotaging the ICS release with the intent of deflating Samsung, just in case their lawsuit didn't work out? In return, AT&T would be thrown a handful of Apple exclusives (since they were so bent out of shape about Apple cheating on them first with Verizon then Sprint; ironically about the same time that the Android lineup REALLY improved at AT&T). Naturally, greedy AT&T would jump at the chance to be Apple's main (excuse me) ***** one more time, right?
I guess this is coming from a place of substantial anger. I'm FURIOUS that the phone I LOVED so much for seven months was basically taken away from me. And there is not a SINGLE official word from either Samsung or AT&T about what I can do about it. So I suppose I can bring the thing back to Best Buy, AGAIN, and recieve another REFURBISHED edition (one that's only 300 IMEI numbers up from the original one), but honestly, I don't have the time or desire to rebuild the damn thing one more time (and then beg the guy at Android Assistant to please let me not have to pay again ... etc. etc. etc.)
I know ... I'm delving deeeeeeep into conspiracy theorism and perhaps I shouldn't play so many video games. BUT, maybe ............ anybody think it makes sense?
PS Thanks for keeping this great and informative site running. It serves as such an amazing resource. The amount of knowledge I've picked up here is invaluable.
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No. Dude these are multibillion dollar companies, they have better **** to deal then playing subterfuge over what would amount to a couple thousand dollars, at the most, lost from annoyed customers
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what do you mean taken away from you? did you mess it up and bricked it or somebody confiscated it from your home?
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Did i miss something and AT&T officially released JB? Because I'm speaking specifically about the official release that AT&T and Samsung sent out to its customers ... you know, the legal way.
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Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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Lol. If anything AT&T is trying to get away from Apple products. They make more profit selling Android devices.
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mindmajick said:
Actually- rooting your phone and using a custom ROM are 100% legal.
Carriers like at&t don't like it, but its legal.
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THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.

aycockonxion said:
THIS.
All it does is void your warranty. Since it was probably already void for who knows why else among the array of things that could void your warranty, the OP's argument is null and void, and similarly a useless waste of space.
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What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?

NYCblues said:
What argument? Who's arguing with who? What'd I miss?
And since I didn't really present any facts since it wasn't an argument, per se ... what exactly is your point?
Seems like all you guys want to do is argue ... or troll. Hmmmmmm.
PS the original point was meant to be a funny "get this **** out of my head" thing. Maybe I'll re-evaluate my needs. Can I have my money back, then?
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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I love grammar Nazis! U R the gr8est!

m4570d0n said:
It's who is arguing with whom. Also, I believe the word you were searching for in the thread title is theorist, not theory-ist.
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That was sweet! ALL HAIL GRAMMAR NAZI! As far as the 'discussion' goes, it should make no difference to you who releases what and when. As it was pointed out, maybe you are missing the point of this arena. Whether you develop, tinker, or just screw around with your phone, the point is this: collectively, we as a group could not care less what the carriers or even manufacturers provide for us in the way of OS updates. We seek out our own, by way of skilled and knowledgeable people who aren't satisfied with the bloatware infested offerings given to us long after the fact. As a member of this forum, you are EXPECTED to have the desire to learn how to make your own way in the android world, albeit with the help of others most of the time.This is a development and learning forum. Regardless of the trolling and/or occasional flaming for the sub-genius among us, you need to want to learn, not wait on the conglomerates to dole out what they want to....my penny and a half.

Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading

New U.S. Antitrust Bill Would Require Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading​
New bipartisan antitrust legislation that targets Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store was today introduced by U.S. Senators Richard Blumenthal, Marsha Blackburn, and Amy Klobuchar.
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The Open App Markets Act [PDF] is meant to create "fair, clear, and enforceable rules" that will protect competition and strengthen consumer protections. According to the three senators, Apple and Google have "gatekeeper control" of the two main mobile operating systems and their app stores, allowing them to dictate the terms of the app market.
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New U.S. Antitrust Bill Would Require Apple and Google to Allow Third-Party App Stores and Sideloading
New bipartisan antitrust legislation that targets Apple's App Store and Google's Play Store was today introduced by U.S. Senators Richard...
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If this gets passed, I can see Apple being not too happy.

Shadowthor said:
If this gets passed, I can see Apple being not too happy.
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Yes I think Apple will be the one of the two with more on the line. As for security concerns on this subject Apple already has enough issues currently and would much like to keep it as minimal as possible? Both companies are in compromising positions in this field as it is.
I'm all for this as most of us are. It is one step forward to a completely Lock Free phone Computing environment. It is right XDA and other communities alley. Developers will love this of course. It will put a lot of money in people's pockets where it needs to be.
Additionally the world of Android customization, custom phones, and all things totally cool for the little green guy my all come true for us someday.
One small step for this win? One huge leap for the little green fellas kind...

noidodroid said:
Yes I think Apple will be the one of the two with more on the line. As for security concerns on this subject Apple already has enough issues currently and would much like to keep it as minimal as possible? Both companies are in compromising positions in this field as it is.
I'm all for this as most of us are. It is one step forward to a completely Lock Free phone Computing environment. It is right XDA and other communities alley. Developers will love this of course. It will put a lot of money in people's pockets where it needs to be.
Additionally the world of Android customization, custom phones, and all things totally cool for the little green guy my all come true for us someday.
One small step for this win? One huge leap for the little green fellas kind...
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Agreed, if it gets passed, it would start to open the Apple OS more for customization.

In case most did not already know In the old days Apple was more of a user base of older people. Primarily older adults. There was not a lot of sales nor young people that were using the devices in the way that they are today. Fast forward in time technology has improved Apple has put out good PR when the iPhone released.. really a little bit before however this spiked a rise in their user base and this time one that
Would flourish for decades. Bad for apple yeah? No? With time comes curiosity.. they say curiosity killed the cat.. well it definitely killed Apple sales.. all the [very cool] exploits released, iCloud workarounds, bypass services and more causing this perhaps. ...
Apple firing back with iCloud the Superior device protection which launched an even greater amount of device sales for Apple with so many devices lost stolen Etc due to not being able to recover from iCloud lock. I don't know if the latter was very significant but in my mind it is and still is to this day until they fix it. I don't believe iCloud is bad. I would love for Google to implement their new surprise factory reset protection they have been talking about for a little while now that is not really in the media yet. Then Google will be up there with apple when it comes to device security on Lost stolen devices when this happens.
This is just a start of a whole new era of freedom for cellular devices. Up to 2015 we fought for unlocking rights and then we got them. Companies such as Motorola and HTC becoming developer-friendly in allowing bootloader unlocking . Other things. Now we have this. The day of Androids right now and Apple iPhones and I devices are likely days of moonshine running but only take that a step further the days of building custom cars right before NASCAR when everything had to be strictly from scratch. No million-dollar companies helping just strictly small mom-and-pop and backyard mechanics. I'm not trying to say phones are becoming hot rod that will eventually start racing each other lol by no means. But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. Absolute freedom to do whatever with our devices.

noidodroid said:
In case most did not already know In the old days Apple was more of a user base of older people. Primarily older adults. There was not a lot of sales nor young people that were using the devices in the way that they are today. Fast forward in time technology has improved Apple has put out good PR when the iPhone released.. really a little bit before however this spiked a rise in their user base and this time one that
Would flourish for decades. Bad for apple yeah? No? With time comes curiosity.. they say curiosity killed the cat.. well it definitely killed Apple sales.. all the [very cool] exploits released, iCloud workarounds, bypass services and more causing this perhaps. ...
Apple firing back with iCloud the Superior device protection which launched an even greater amount of device sales for Apple with so many devices lost stolen Etc due to not being able to recover from iCloud lock. I don't know if the latter was very significant but in my mind it is and still is to this day until they fix it. I don't believe iCloud is bad. I would love for Google to implement their new surprise factory reset protection they have been talking about for a little while now that is not really in the media yet. Then Google will be up there with apple when it comes to device security on Lost stolen devices when this happens.
This is just a start of a whole new era of freedom for cellular devices. Up to 2015 we fought for unlocking rights and then we got them. Companies such as Motorola and HTC becoming developer-friendly in allowing bootloader unlocking . Other things. Now we have this. The day of Androids right now and Apple iPhones and I devices are likely days of moonshine running but only take that a step further the days of building custom cars right before NASCAR when everything had to be strictly from scratch. No million-dollar companies helping just strictly small mom-and-pop and backyard mechanics. I'm not trying to say phones are becoming hot rod that will eventually start racing each other lol by no means. But I think you get the gist of what I'm saying. Absolute freedom to do whatever with our devices.
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Agreed, Motorola thankfully has an easy way to unlock bootloader, it at least gives you an option to flash a different current os compared to their os which updates maybe every so many months if you are lucky.
Oneplus I believe also has bootloader unlock available as well.