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Does the Sprint Nexus S come with CarrierIQ installed?
no it doesnt
thank god no
Amen to this...CiQ was/is a blatant violation of our rights.
I love CIQ discussions.
You know google can pull the exact same things from your phone without carrier iq! OMG NOOOO
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I love CIQ discussions.
You know google can pull the exact same things from your phone without carrier iq! OMG NOOOO
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you forgot china can too
in fact google actually /does/ pull the information, whereas ciq doesnt...
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you forgot china can too
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i almost forgot about MIUIq
shabbypenguin said:
you forgot china can too
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Only if your running MIUI.
That is some scary stuff. I just read up on it. That should absolutely be illegal.
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That is some scary stuff. I just read up on it. That should absolutely be illegal.
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It is and it isn't. Do I agree 100% they should track every last thing I say, text and browse? Absolutely not. Do I think they should be allowed to see how many calls I make, how many texts, what kind of apps I use, how often I use the browser. Yeah, I'm ok with that.
Sprint has CarrierIQ for what has been basically narrowed down to 2 theories. Troubleshooting, and possible tracking for Marketing and future device planning.
Does it bother me that a company like Sprint would collect metrics to find out what features I use on my current phones so they can offer better choices in the future? Nope, I'm ok with that. Does it worry me they could in theory track everything I say and do? No, but it probably should as it violates my privacy.
I'm still not 100% on what all google can track, but I know its just about everything, as well if I remember correctly they also have a kill switch for it. That just doesn't seem kosher. I still love my phone, and don't let petty **** bother me. To me being followed by the powers that be is petty.
It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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Share the trick dude!
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Share the trick dude!
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You are asking Cjward to participate in an illegal activity.
IMEIs allows phones to be rendered useless if the phone is reported stolen. Sharing "the trick" of changing IMEIs not only promotes theft of Android phones, but it is illegal in some countries.It would allow the possibility of getting XDA in trouble if such information was posted here and we don't want that.
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It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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I guess one of those people would be me. It was not meant as a personal attack. I'll just repost what I said before on another thread so there are no confisions:
Some guy thread about imei unlocking got closed and locked in the general section. This has nothing to do with this rom, but i can't reply there. So here are my thoughts.
The action may be ilegal, but the information itself isn't. You are ultimately responsible for what you do with it.
There are lots of examples throughout History about information limiting for "the good of the people". Usually ends up with book burning.
Another example: I'm pretty sure that in my country it's illegal to record calls without the consent of the other party. The should I take out 2 way call recording from the kernel, and should xda delete all info on this site on how to do it?
What about the google apps we all include in our custom roms? There's a reason CM7 does not include them. It's illegal. Should xda remove all threads and roms that do not comply?
I'm sorry for the rambling, but i enjoy my freedom, and selfrighteous actions like these make my blood go hot.
Peace
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After this there were more examples on illegal stuff we do around here. If anyone actually reads the HTC terms of service, pretty much everything we do with sense roms is illegal. The point is, information should not be limited. Here's a drastic example:
The best way to kill someone fast: shoot him on the head.
Am I condoning murder? Will that line be edited bi mods?
Ridiculous example of course, but the line of reasoning is the same.
Peace.
This is not meant to start a flame war, or pose as a personal attack on anyone.
@lowveld
It wasn't you, I received 2 PM's and one of them wasn't very nice.
I'm very intrested to see what the general consensus is on this matter.
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There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely have used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it because they are not making a profit and it is beneficial to them. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely has used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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I would also like to know what effort someone could get from in it legal matters.
When I understand it the right way there is none except the possibility to mask a stolen phone.
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Don't You think that knowledge of how to do such a "trick" can encourage theft and sale/use of stolen goods? It's like sharing info about how to steal a car and what to do next to make it "legal" again for further sale.
You guys must be really thick to refuse to understand that:
1. It is illegal
2. Wast majority of our community is against it
3. This is xda developers, not xda thieves guild
Please provide links to laws cant find anything about it
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You are asking Cjward to participate in an illegal activity.
IMEIs allows phones to be rendered useless if the phone is reported stolen. Sharing "the trick" of changing IMEIs not only promotes theft of Android phones, but it is illegal in some countries.It would allow the possibility of getting XDA in trouble if such information was posted here and we don't want that.
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Cimer said:
There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely have used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it because they are not making a profit and it is beneficial to them. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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A few years back I had a Asus P527, windows mobile device. Due to some flashing issues, me and a coupe of dozen other users ended up with the same (default) IMEI. At the time, a service provider from India threatened to cut out service to anyone in that situation. So I figured out how to change the IMEI in that situation, and all was well. But it was still illegal in strict definitions.
But the example is pointless, and the discussion is pointless if you're making points like "HTC has not acted" and "is most likely fine". That does not bear any impact whatsoever on the legality of the action.
And what you find "not relevant" was not meant as a actual real life example, but what in mathematics is referred as "reduction to absurdity". Apply the same set of rules to a different situation with the same premises, and you see the ridicule in the rules themselves.
Cheers
And I'm through with this. Peace.
Nothing more to say ..!!!
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A few years back I had a Asus P527, windows mobile device. Due to some flashing issues, me and a coupe of dozen other users ended up with the same (default) IMEI. At the time, a service provider from India threatened to cut out service to anyone in that situation. So I figured out how to change the IMEI in that situation, and all was well. But it was still illegal in strict definitions.
But the example is pointless, and the discussion is pointless if you're making points like "HTC has not acted" and "is most likely fine". That does not bear any impact whatsoever on the legality of the action.
And what you find "not relevant" was not meant as a actual real life example, but what in mathematics is referred as "reduction to absurdity". Apply the same set of rules to a different situation with the same premises, and you see the ridicule in the rules themselves.
Cheers
And I'm through with this. Peace.
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Just mind your own threads next time.
Destroyer
The trick is on my site PERMANENT
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hey, cjward did what he thought was correct. DON'T GO AGAINST HIM, JUST BECAUSE HE REPORTED SOMETHING HE FELT WAS WRONG. HE IS, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, AT FAULT. Even though i feel that information should be shared without any problems, and brokenworm's thread shouldn't have been deleted, i feel sad that people are flaming cjward. I completely agree with lowveld.
Got to admit when I first saw this posted, I actually questioned to myself whether or not this would be useful or not.
Unfortunately the reasons I had come up with as to why this could be useful, were not in a lawful manner. I thought about this further, came up with the idea again except expanded but with more self-justification. I've given up on the idea in a whole.
Unfortunately I feel that the information should be there, but the associated information pertaining to the relevant law(s) and legal ramifications boldly displayed with what it obviously should and shouldn't be used for, should said distribution of information.
I have to disagree with the way brokenworm is going about this though, immature in the least.
Technically, good.
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Dont flame the proud policeman?
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hey, cjward did what he thought was correct. DON'T GO AGAINST HIM, JUST BECAUSE HE REPORTED SOMETHING HE FELT WAS WRONG. HE IS, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, AT FAULT. Even though i feel that information should be shared without any problems, and brokenworm's thread shouldn't have been deleted, i feel sad that people are flaming cjward. I completely agree with lowveld.
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In my opinion I think it's bad ;( why? Becoz it's 1 of the unique information to identify who owns the phone by looking at the IMEI, so if a thief knows how to do this he can modify the IMEI so no one will know if the phone was stolen.
Just my little opinion peace!
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i have a question, probably noobish one but would apreciate any response. what is the benefit of changing the imei? why would we want/need to do it? i guess it's like changing the mac adress of a nic but in this case i know what the benefits are but do not find them relevant in the case of the imei. sorry for the question if it's not apropriate..
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i have a question, probably noobish one but would apreciate any response. what is the benefit of changing the imei? why would we want/need to do it? i guess it's like changing the mac adress of a nic but in this case i know what the benefits are but do not find them relevant in the case of the imei. sorry for the question if it's not apropriate..
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Unless you are a theif, drug dealer, pimp, fraudster, terrorist or politician you will probably never have a reason to change your phones IMEI number.
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cjward23 said:
Unless you are a theif, drug dealer, pimp, fraudster, terrorist or politician you will probably never have a reason to change your phones IMEI number.
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Thank you CJ. You hit rock bottom there. I actually considered you an even minded guy, but generalizations like that kind of prove me wrong.
Fu**, I even told you that I had done it before, so in what way is this not a personal attack? Care to tell me what you think I am? Thief? Rapist?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579741
Some people think It's illegal, while others, like myself, believe It's not.....a lot of people seem to confuse flashing a phone with actually stealing something...certainly talking about it isn't illegal...and I'll say it again (XDA), TALKING ABOUT IT ISN'T ILLEGAL..if flashing a phone is illegal, then so isn't rooting a phone, and installing a custom ROM..and if that's the case, then most of the subjects on this forum are talking about doing illegal things...if someone out there has any proof cloning a phone is illegal, then let's see it
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Yes! It's illegal to change the exaust system on your car with another either
I don't know how is it in the USA but i didn't heard anything here in the old republic
chaki- said:
Yes! It's illegal to change the exaust system on your car with another either
I don't know how is it in the USA but i didn't heard anything here in the old republic
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I think ur spell check might of changed a few words on u and to me some of what u said made no sense ...sorry
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Cloning is obviously illegal... Unless you're cloning your own phone... Which wouldn't make much sense... Just saying if you clone somone else's phone and incur charges, YOU ARE STEALING, that been illegal since the mid to late 90's (at least in Illinois)
I bought my EVO outright from sprint when I had sprint...I bought my incognito outright from Boost...I pay boost mobile monthly for service, and even though I flashed my EVO myself, I still only get what i pay for, regardless of which phone I use....It's the same for any phone on any carrier...It's not a cable tv descrambler, in which u get more than what ur supposed to get, which is stealing, but a cell phone provider will only give u what u pay for, regardless of phone.....how is that stealing
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Clearly he said "UNLESS YOU ARE CLONING YOUR OWN PHONE." It is illegal when you clone another person's device in order to use their minutes or data as though it were your own.
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Clearly he said "UNLESS YOU ARE CLONING YOUR OWN PHONE." It is illegal when you clone another person's device in order to use their minutes or data as though it were your own.
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Not clearly cause that's not how he worded it....he said "incur charges", meaning of I cloned someone's phone and they incur charges because of something I did then that's illegal....he did not say if i cloned someone's phone to use there service as my own is illegal
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Ewe knew what he meant. Now play along or be turned into a newt.
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Some people think It's illegal, while others, like myself, believe It's not.....a lot of people seem to confuse flashing a phone with actually stealing something...certainly talking about it isn't illegal...and I'll say it again (XDA), TALKING ABOUT IT ISN'T ILLEGAL..if flashing a phone is illegal, then so isn't rooting a phone, and installing a custom ROM..and if that's the case, then most of the subjects on this forum are talking about doing illegal things...if someone out there has any proof cloning a phone is illegal, then let's see it
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http://www.fcc.gov/guides/cell-phone-fraud
Wireless Telephone Protection Act of 1998
And no, talking about it is not illegal. Neither is talking about how to rape someone. But that rightly is not allowed here either.
Oh God, this thread again...
inb4 "if you have nothing to add, don't post", you should seriously use the search button before duplicating a thread on the same topic.
Rooting isn't illegal for the record OP.
As shown cloning phones is illegal and talks about doing it are not allowed on xDA. Only warning. Thread closed
The Library of Congress has ruled that the DMCA jailbreak exemption it's granting for smartphones will not apply to tablets. They are also not granting a DMCA unlock exemption for phones purchased after January 2013. Carrier permission will be required to legally unlock those phones. The new DMCA exemption rulings go into effect on October 28 and will last three years.
Source: Library of Congress
Via: Timothy B. Lee (Ars Technica)
I find this incredibly arbitrary and nonsensical. Will this make it legal to root a Galaxy S phone but not a Galaxy Player, or to jailbreak an iPhone but not an iPod touch? What about phablets like the Galaxy Note, phones like the Asus Padfone which dock into a tablet shell, or tablets that can make standard voice calls (international 7" Galaxy tab)? When carriers implement voice over LTE, regular voice calls will be done over IP. What then will be the distinction between a phone and a tablet or media player with a VOIP app?
This is ridiculous.
Jailbreaking is different from rooting. I think we should be safe
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Relevant text from the ruling
37 CFR Part 201 said:
Wireless telephone handsets – software interoperability
Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to
execute lawfully obtained software applications, where
circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling
interoperability of such applications with computer programs
on the telephone handset.
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More info: pages 12-16 of source link
37 CFR Part 201 said:
Wireless telephone handsets – interoperability with alternative
networks
Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that
enable a wireless telephone handset originally acquired from
the operator of a wireless telecommunications network or
retailer no later than ninety days after the effective date of this
exemption to connect to a different wireless
telecommunications network, if the operator of the wireless
communications network to which the handset is locked has
failed to unlock it within a reasonable period of time following
a request by the owner of the wireless telephone handset, and
when circumvention is initiated by the owner, an individual
consumer, who is also the owner of the copy of the computer
program in such wireless telephone handset, solely in order to
connect to a different wireless telecommunications network,
and such access to the network is authorized by the operator of
the network.
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Jailbreaking is different from rooting. I think we should be safe
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The ruling does appear to apply to rooting as well as jailbreaking, judging by a response the EFF made during the comment period. http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2012/responses/eff_response_letter_regarding_exemption_5.pdf
As you can see in the above post, the actual text of the exemption doesn't use the term "jailbreak."
Jailbreaking and rooting is one and the same thing, however those guys do not know s**t about tech I guess.
Not allowing unlocking of phones is not cool, now companies can sue devs who create softwares to unlock cell phones, maybe even carriers pitch in and not allow you to run an unlocked tmo gs3 on at&t, this is BS, it's my device people, I can do what I want to ....
No need to worry.
We don't use ITunes.
They are their worse enemies.
How many people knew about mp3's until they went after Napster in a public way? The vast majority of Iphone users have no idea what Jailbreak means but they will soon:laugh:
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No need to worry.
We don't use ITunes.
They are their worse enemies.
How many people knew about mp3's until they went after Napster in a public way? The vast majority of Iphone users have no idea what Jailbreak means but they will soon:laugh:
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The ruling affects rooting on Android. It isn't iOS specific and has nothing to do with iTunes.
Does this mean that Android sites will have to stop posting articles on how to root tablets? Will discussions about rooting Android tablets become verboten on the forums soon?
First of all, I already had a thread about this.
Anyway, if there is a Mod reading this, will xda stop talking about rooting tablets soon?
Jailbreak does not equal root. We don't need to worry but if you own and iPad you're screwed
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First of all, I already had a thread about this.
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This thread was posted 17 hours and 48 minutes before yours.
gagdude said:
Jailbreak does not equal root. We don't need to worry but if you own and iPad you're screwed
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Did you read the actual text of the ruling that I quoted in my second post and think about carrier and manufacturer modifications that can lock an Android device down?
Slinkwyde said:
This thread was posted 17 hours and 48 minutes before yours.
Did you read the actual text of the ruling that I quoted in my second post and think about carrier and manufacturer modifications that can lock an Android device down?
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Dude I don't care, jailbreaking and rooting are different things, so different in fact that if they say doing x to a product is illegal that the x does not also apply to the other form of hacking on the other OS
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What about circumventing locked bootloaders to load a custom ROM?
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What about circumventing locked bootloaders to load a custom ROM?
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OK, but remember when iPod touches were first coming out and people were jailbreaking them anyways? And everyone was just like "no ones gonna catch us."
Well same situation. Give the finger to the government and root and jailbreak anyways
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That's what most of us will do. Any Android device I get will be rooted.
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OK, but remember when iPod touches were first coming out and people were jailbreaking them anyways? And everyone was just like "no ones gonna catch us."
Well same situation. Give the finger to the government and root and jailbreak anyways
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I doubt it will actually stop many people jailbreaking. A few devs might not be so forthright about what they have made etc, but I doubt too much will happen.
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I doubt it will actually stop many people jailbreaking. A few devs might not be so forthright about what they have made etc, but I doubt too much will happen.
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Maybe -
But what will happen to XDA? What about cellunlocker.net and services like that?
I gotta say, I'm worried.
From what I understand is just the carriers cring about people messing with radios and getting sim unlocks without them getting profit(unlock codes). So I guess rooting and costom Roma should be fine, but no s-off, radios.
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Jailbreaking is practically the same thing as rooting. Both involve granting r/w access to a partition that was not intended to be overwritten from factory.
I think it is time to for xda to go underground and start to not give crap about legality!
Good news for those exporting stock unlocked devices I suppose.
Hello everyone, in Spanish forum called htcmania we starts a petition to remove knox warranty void. Please go to the link. Thanks
https://www.change.org/es/peticione...-samsung-녹스-시스템을-제거합니다-최근에-새-소프트웨어-업데이트에서합니다#
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You can get a million signatures and i doubt it well change a thing. Sad, but true
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SgtGoldy said:
You can get a million signatures and i doubt it well change a thing. Sad, but true
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Yes I doubt too, but if anyone make nothing about it, nothing changes. It's only a minute!
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kandem said:
Yes I doubt too, but if anyone make nothing about it, nothing changes. It's only a minute!
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+1
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You can get a million signatures and i doubt it well change a thing. Sad, but true
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Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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It would be nice if it were something you could opt into during checkout or during your purchase of the device. I see the benefits to people who aren't about roms and rooting but it seriously inconveniences those of us who are :laugh:
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It would be nice if it were something you could opt into during checkout or during your purchase of the device. I see the benefits to people who aren't about roms and rooting but it seriously inconveniences those of us who are :laugh:
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I posted the "happy" stuff. There's a definite f-u message to the dev community in that Samsung moved the warranty flag to Knox where it's now tamper resistant. They didn't need to do that for anything security related. So Knox or not Samsung's not exactly embracing "enthusiasts."
I'm glad people are starting a petition. It's a petition that got our bootloaders unlocked for our asus prime? Or tf700...cant remember cuz I have both but the fact is the community got it unlocked.
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I'm glad people are starting a petition. It's a petition that got our bootloaders unlocked for our asus prime? Or tf700...cant remember cuz I have both but the fact is the community got it unlocked.
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This is true and when I unlocked my bootloader it said my warranty was voided but when I had an issue with the internal battery they replaced even though the warranty was voided. I guess it depends on the problem in which the warranty is voided.
Hopefully Samsung can be more specific with what's voided and what's not.
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jetbruceli said:
This is true and when I unlocked my bootloader it said my warranty was voided but when I had an issue with the internal battery they replaced even though the warranty was voided. I guess it depends on the problem in which the warranty is voided.
Hopefully Samsung can be more specific with what's voided and what's not.
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I remember the argument people had with the warranty too. I'm glad that they fixed the battery because it was hardware related and not software which is why this voided warranty for unlocked devices is ridiculous.
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I remember the argument people had with the warranty too. I'm glad that they fixed the battery because it was hardware related and not software which is why this voided warranty for unlocked devices is ridiculous.
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It was great Asus did that but I said it in the email and on the Form that I had unlocked it and rooted. They fixed it with no questions. And I am sure with this knox thing we will still get our stuff fixed as long as it's truly their malfunction
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The real alternative here is an AOSP or Developer edition Note. Samsung is trying to entrench in Enterprise, Knox is their lever. They won't be removing it.
BarryH_GEG said:
Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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This... The enthusiast community is a very very small segment of the population and Knox is a feature that is sold to the community at large, especially buisnesses wary of android's reputation for malware and security problems (wether true or not, it's what's out there). Get used to this, because eventually all phones will be locked down like this. Companies may lose the enthusiast segment but they gain the far larger and more profitable business market. If anyone thinks that's not an easy choice, you're kidding yourself.
LOL, I thought someone is publishing the digital signatures for a Knox bit free boot loader....
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BarryH_GEG said:
Knox is a great idea for everyone outside XDA. It supports BYOD so people can use a single device for their personal stuff while giving corporate IT the security they require for their stuff that co-exists on an employees phone. So employees don't have to carry around two separate phones and are always connected via a single voice and data connection for their business and personal communication. For non-business users, because Knox lives at the bootloader level, it prevents the wiping of a lost or stolen phone. I connect to multiple secure networks and haven't been able to root my phones for over a year so for me and those like me Knox is no big deal and most likely a benefit. I'll miss rooting to do stuff and then unrooting and still being able to keep "official" status but it is what it is.
Knox has been so well received in the B2B market LG is introducing something similar - LG Gate
http://www.goodgearguide.com.au/article/528187/smartphone_vendors_target_byod_enterprises/
There are tens of millions of devices that can be sold B2B and about 5M "enthusiasts" on XDA who Samsung by their behavior think are expendable. Knox is here to stay so those impacted by it should send Samsung a message and not buy their devices. A petition won't change a thing.
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The problem is not that Knox is bad or not , the problem is that consumers don't have a choice. The sad truth is this is happening everywhere from food to computers. I agree that we should do something but I personally think it's already too late.
jetbruceli said:
And I am sure with this knox thing we will still get our stuff fixed as long as it's truly their malfunction
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I doubt that very much.
They'll take one look at it and bounce it back as null and void.
I am planning to buy Note 3, I already have S4 with older rom and bootloader (canadian variant).
So I understand (somewhat) this Knox system.
If I do get Note 3, I can't install custom recovery and flash custom roms?
What would flag the Knox system, the warranty becoming void, is it installing custom recovery, or rom? What about the rooting, does that affect knox as well?
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