The Library of Congress has ruled that the DMCA jailbreak exemption it's granting for smartphones will not apply to tablets. They are also not granting a DMCA unlock exemption for phones purchased after January 2013. Carrier permission will be required to legally unlock those phones. The new DMCA exemption rulings go into effect on October 28 and will last three years.
Source: Library of Congress
Via: Timothy B. Lee (Ars Technica)
I find this incredibly arbitrary and nonsensical. Will this make it legal to root a Galaxy S phone but not a Galaxy Player, or to jailbreak an iPhone but not an iPod touch? What about phablets like the Galaxy Note, phones like the Asus Padfone which dock into a tablet shell, or tablets that can make standard voice calls (international 7" Galaxy tab)? When carriers implement voice over LTE, regular voice calls will be done over IP. What then will be the distinction between a phone and a tablet or media player with a VOIP app?
This is ridiculous.
Jailbreaking is different from rooting. I think we should be safe
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Relevant text from the ruling
37 CFR Part 201 said:
Wireless telephone handsets – software interoperability
Computer programs that enable wireless telephone handsets to
execute lawfully obtained software applications, where
circumvention is accomplished for the sole purpose of enabling
interoperability of such applications with computer programs
on the telephone handset.
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More info: pages 12-16 of source link
37 CFR Part 201 said:
Wireless telephone handsets – interoperability with alternative
networks
Computer programs, in the form of firmware or software, that
enable a wireless telephone handset originally acquired from
the operator of a wireless telecommunications network or
retailer no later than ninety days after the effective date of this
exemption to connect to a different wireless
telecommunications network, if the operator of the wireless
communications network to which the handset is locked has
failed to unlock it within a reasonable period of time following
a request by the owner of the wireless telephone handset, and
when circumvention is initiated by the owner, an individual
consumer, who is also the owner of the copy of the computer
program in such wireless telephone handset, solely in order to
connect to a different wireless telecommunications network,
and such access to the network is authorized by the operator of
the network.
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gagdude said:
Jailbreaking is different from rooting. I think we should be safe
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The ruling does appear to apply to rooting as well as jailbreaking, judging by a response the EFF made during the comment period. http://www.copyright.gov/1201/2012/responses/eff_response_letter_regarding_exemption_5.pdf
As you can see in the above post, the actual text of the exemption doesn't use the term "jailbreak."
Jailbreaking and rooting is one and the same thing, however those guys do not know s**t about tech I guess.
Not allowing unlocking of phones is not cool, now companies can sue devs who create softwares to unlock cell phones, maybe even carriers pitch in and not allow you to run an unlocked tmo gs3 on at&t, this is BS, it's my device people, I can do what I want to ....
No need to worry.
We don't use ITunes.
They are their worse enemies.
How many people knew about mp3's until they went after Napster in a public way? The vast majority of Iphone users have no idea what Jailbreak means but they will soon:laugh:
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No need to worry.
We don't use ITunes.
They are their worse enemies.
How many people knew about mp3's until they went after Napster in a public way? The vast majority of Iphone users have no idea what Jailbreak means but they will soon:laugh:
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The ruling affects rooting on Android. It isn't iOS specific and has nothing to do with iTunes.
Does this mean that Android sites will have to stop posting articles on how to root tablets? Will discussions about rooting Android tablets become verboten on the forums soon?
First of all, I already had a thread about this.
Anyway, if there is a Mod reading this, will xda stop talking about rooting tablets soon?
Jailbreak does not equal root. We don't need to worry but if you own and iPad you're screwed
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First of all, I already had a thread about this.
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This thread was posted 17 hours and 48 minutes before yours.
gagdude said:
Jailbreak does not equal root. We don't need to worry but if you own and iPad you're screwed
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Did you read the actual text of the ruling that I quoted in my second post and think about carrier and manufacturer modifications that can lock an Android device down?
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This thread was posted 17 hours and 48 minutes before yours.
Did you read the actual text of the ruling that I quoted in my second post and think about carrier and manufacturer modifications that can lock an Android device down?
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Dude I don't care, jailbreaking and rooting are different things, so different in fact that if they say doing x to a product is illegal that the x does not also apply to the other form of hacking on the other OS
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What about circumventing locked bootloaders to load a custom ROM?
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What about circumventing locked bootloaders to load a custom ROM?
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OK, but remember when iPod touches were first coming out and people were jailbreaking them anyways? And everyone was just like "no ones gonna catch us."
Well same situation. Give the finger to the government and root and jailbreak anyways
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That's what most of us will do. Any Android device I get will be rooted.
Tappin' and talkin' with Tapatalk.
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OK, but remember when iPod touches were first coming out and people were jailbreaking them anyways? And everyone was just like "no ones gonna catch us."
Well same situation. Give the finger to the government and root and jailbreak anyways
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I doubt it will actually stop many people jailbreaking. A few devs might not be so forthright about what they have made etc, but I doubt too much will happen.
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I doubt it will actually stop many people jailbreaking. A few devs might not be so forthright about what they have made etc, but I doubt too much will happen.
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Maybe -
But what will happen to XDA? What about cellunlocker.net and services like that?
I gotta say, I'm worried.
From what I understand is just the carriers cring about people messing with radios and getting sim unlocks without them getting profit(unlock codes). So I guess rooting and costom Roma should be fine, but no s-off, radios.
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Jailbreaking is practically the same thing as rooting. Both involve granting r/w access to a partition that was not intended to be overwritten from factory.
I think it is time to for xda to go underground and start to not give crap about legality!
Good news for those exporting stock unlocked devices I suppose.
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Are there any? Unrelated to even the recent developments, I don't think I want a phone with this crap on it.
Is there a way to check by Network traffic if the software is on a phone?
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Are there any? Unrelated to even the recent developments, I don't think I want a phone with this crap on it.
Is there a way to check by Network traffic if the software is on a phone?
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What is carrier IQ software? And is that something which might be taken out of custom ROMs?
just asked tmo (tech) if leo had it...the usual long pause...and then a slight "yeeeahhh" then a lot of jingle jangle shuck and jive to distract me.
Forget whining at the powerful multi billion dollar industry, or expecting them to lose even 1 penny by changing.
boycott smartphones, quit acting like we never lived before them.
#occupydumbphones kill their profits dead.
troll/flame away...
but you all know I'm right.
I say if students can start OccupyStudentDebt expecting for all their college loans to be waived, we can do similar by starting OccupySmartPhones and expect all phones be unlocked, bloat free, and completely 100% free of charge.
Everyone wins!
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What is carrier IQ software? And is that something which might be taken out of custom ROMs?
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The rootkit-like stuff that tracks stuff on the phone and sends it to the carrier and/or manufacturer.
Div033 said:
I say if students can start OccupyStudentDebt expecting for all their college loans to be waived, we can do similar by starting OccupySmartPhones and expect all phones be unlocked, bloat free, and completely 100% free of charge.
Everyone wins!
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these manufacturers in bed with cell providers has created a monster that will never be killed.
get used to it, we'll be bent over and you can forget about a reach around.
how many times have we been forced to accept double standards in our contracts?
not once have we come even close to catching the ear of this monster unless they allowed it.
they'll hire up any real threat to their OS, and stay 1 step ahead.
multi billion vs. you.
Carrier IQ, as its name suggests, is mandated by the carrier, not the OS provider or device manufacturer. If for whatever reason you want a device that is sure not to have Carrier IQ, purchase a non-carrier, SIM-unlocked device through an independent retailer.
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Windows Phones and iPhones do not have Carrier IQ
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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.
Don't know what happened... but my alert was put into Q&A even though it's not a question.
Sorry, for the cross-posting... but this issue is very important to all of us who care about rooting/modifying our devices. We may soon lose the legal exemption to do that.
UPDATE: I see that xda-dev has an article in its main portal page...
Bumping this until Feb. 10...
when no one will be able to affect the situation...
TRIED the website but it must be having some issues. Thanks Geek for the heads up. What a freakin joke. Utter and total BS. Imagine if the government tried to tell people that they couldn't modify there car? I'll try to find a better link to the petition.
Before everyone gets hyped:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
So hopefully it gets renewed.
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Before everyone gets hyped:
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Too late. Getting hyped is a prerequisite for being a member of xda-dev.
finch8423 said:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
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I agree that it is complicated. But, according to EFF: Some device manufacturers claim that jailbreaking violates Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which carries stiff penalties.there is already such a law. Granted, there has not been a court case, yet, testing that law. But it is on the books.
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As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
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Well, you may wish to read, specifically, about Section 1201 of the DMCA. It is false comfort to think that a law does not exist... it does exist. The wikipedia article on the DMCA has a good discussion. If you are more of a legal geek, then the government provides congressional report 105-796 and a summary on the internet. For information on how institutions of learning can be affected, EDUCAUSE addresses the issue on its site.
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So hopefully it gets renewed.
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The whole point of creating this thread. To help ensure that it is renewed.
A bull****, nothing more. It is my property and I do with it what I want. They can only affect my warrenty. They can only do something if its a carrier branded and you don't buy for full price . Then device is still a carrier property
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This country is already broke (not only financially, but also morally -- but that's an entirely different discussion), how will they go about actually enforcing this law? I know that phone companies can gather a lot of information about your phone remotely, but can they tell whether your phone is rooted or not?
I'm not trying to be pompous, so I apologize if I came off like that. I completely agree with you.
They can claim all they want. It's important for everyone to know that if it comes to that, there is no specific law addressing this, only claims under the DMCA.
In my legal opinion, root privileges can hardly be misconstrued as copyright infringement. It's mainly Macintosh that is pushing this though- they claim that jailbreaking is illegal because of the close-source nature of their products (It's also ironic to note that many of the working conditions of their factories would be considered illegal in every country that they sell their products in).
Well macintosh and... recently, ASUS, right? and one other... last summer, but I can't recall who right now.
Let's just say... for sake of argument that carriers sign agreements with manufacturerers (when, in fact, they're different companies)... that require them to deny service to "rooted" devices based on the law... or maybe not the law... but their collective interpretation of the law...
Honestly...
Ndaa, sopa, pipa... Now this???
Dammit my m4 is getting put to use soon isn't it??
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^ add ACTA to that list.
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You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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gefilus said:
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
Watch profile and will see where I live
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You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
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Are you suggesting that EFF doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?
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Maybe. Just ask Google.
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We might not be talking apples to apples...
I know apple has fought their phones being jail broken. But isn't it the carriers who really have the problem with it? They want to make you buy their network specific phone from them?
They can only put this law if there is one only on devices which are carrier branded. On unlocked or unbramded devices they can't do the ****. It is in my proparty and take you hand of from it, I can do with my device what I want
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lumin30 said:
Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
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Mostly and almost the same like in pictures. And ye waterfall is or mark
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Since unlocking phones (for carrier use) becomes illegal starting tomorrow, we have made a petition to fight back.
Please sign!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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RBarnett09 said:
Since unlocking phones (for carrier use) becomes illegal starting tomorrow, we have made a petition to fight back.
Please sign!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
Milimbar said:
You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
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Indeed. I'm sure the White House is getting a nice chuckle from this petition.
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Here's the thing about what people may see as a pointless petition.
They are all pointless until created. No matter if this will make any difference or not.
Petitions aren't meant to go by guidelines or by what the current law or cycle of voting represents.
In fact, if we all just sat idly by while things happen around us and shrug our shoulders because well, that's what the law is and it doesn't come back up for discussion for 10 years, so let's just leave it as is, even though the majority of us are against it.
I guess my point is, no matter how small of a change or difference one person may think they will be or make, unless they start somewhere, they may as well roll over like everyone else.
Change starts with YOU!
(or you can accept things for the way they are dealt to you)
Santod is right. If enough people sign it will get attention and maybe it will be enough that it doesn't have to wait for three years before it is brought up again. If we keep allowing the cell companies to control how we use our property then eventually we won't have any control of it. This kind of crap needs to stop somewhere. This idea of not allowing us to decide if we want to stay with a specific carrier is bs. Would you like it if a bank said you had to remain in the same property, exactly the way it was originally purchased for the duration of the contract? Probably not.
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Nexus 4, 7, 10 ... ++ More Nexus is the way to go now. Besides, I font see the point in an ithing or win8.
A reason to get one now and get away from VZW, I say.
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Why is this crap being posted in forums for Verizon phones? It simply doesn't apply - VZW has never carrier locked their phones.
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Why is this crap being posted in forums for Verizon phones? It simply doesn't apply - VZW has never carrier locked their phones.
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Apparently you don't understand.
It will be illegal for us to unlock our phones to use them how we want to... HTC or not.
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This law affects all carriers. The only way around it is to get your carrier to unlock the phone for you or buy an unlocked phone from the start. They are only making it illegal to unlock your phone without their knowledge or permission.
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disconnecktie said:
This law affects all carriers. The only way around it is to get your carrier to unlock the phone for you or buy an unlocked phone from the start. They are only making it illegal to unlock your phone without their knowledge or permission.
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This definitely won't stop most people.
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This definitely won't stop most people.
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A $500,000 fine and 5 years in prison sounds like a pretty good deterrent to keep most people from doing though. I think they are mostly targeting the businesses that are capitalizing on something that the carrier will do for people most of the time. I think part of the problem is that people get a phone on contract and since the phone is subsidized when they don't pay their bill the phone company eats the cost of the phone. If they are able to unlock the phone and use it somewhere else they basically get a free phone.
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Plus from what I heard on the radio if you own a phone already then you can unlock it and flash it to whatever carrier. Online petitions are a joke. As you can't prove the people existence because of of no signatures. I could type out ten thousand names names easily. You want change? You want action? Then call your congressmen or woman and voice your dislikes. Have your family,friends,coworkers, and so on to call. Tell them you are not happy and unless you see action you will vote for the other guy. Keep calling and if enough people calls something might be done.
Or you could go the easier route and just buy a google branded phone and not have to worry about the stupid law lol. It is funny people don't seem to care about stuff till its to late.
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A $500,000 fine and 5 years in prison sounds like a pretty good deterrent to keep most people from doing though. I think they are mostly targeting the businesses that are capitalizing on something that the carrier will do for people most of the time. I think part of the problem is that people get a phone on contract and since the phone is subsidized when they don't pay their bill the phone company eats the cost of the phone. If they are able to unlock the phone and use it somewhere else they basically get a free phone.
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Holy....
I was unaware of that kind of punishment. That's insane.
How would someone get caught unlocking a phone though?
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I'm pretty sure that the esn will tell the new carrier where the phone came from. Plus you would have to know because unlocking it is probably different depending on which carrier you are coming from. There was a law passed recently that makes it illegal to take a phone with a bad esn and unlock it to use with a different carrier as well. The major carriers also have the ability to make a bad esn phone no good across most of the other carriers too.
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Milimbar said:
You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
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tm24fan8 said:
Indeed. I'm sure the White House is getting a nice chuckle from this petition.
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Who's laughing now!!!??
As I said before, it all starts with us guys.... :good:
Official White House Response to Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal.
(NOTE: This is in regards to carrier unlocking, not bootloader unlocking)
Source: LINK
It's Time to Legalize Cell Phone Unlocking
By R. David Edelman
Thank you for sharing your views on cell phone unlocking with us through your petition on our We the People platform.
Last week the White House brought together experts from across government who work on telecommunications, technology, and copyright policy, and we're pleased to offer our response.
The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties.
In fact, we believe the same principle should also apply to tablets, which are increasingly similar to smart phones. And if you have paid for your mobile device, and aren't bound by a service agreement or other obligation, you should be able to use it on another network.
It's common sense, crucial for protecting consumer choice, and important for ensuring we continue to have the vibrant, competitive wireless market that delivers innovative products and solid service to meet consumers' needs.
This is particularly important for secondhand or other mobile devices that you might buy or receive as a gift, and want to activate on the wireless network that meets your needs -- even if it isn't the one on which the device was first activated.
All consumers deserve that flexibility.
The White House's position detailed in this response builds on some critical thinking done by the President's chief advisory Agency on these matters:
the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA).
For more context and information on the technical aspects of the issue, you can review the NTIA's letter to the Library of Congress' Register of Copyrights (.pdf),
voicing strong support for maintaining the previous exception to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for cell phone carrier unlocking.
Contrary to the NTIA's recommendation, the Librarian of Congress ruled that phones purchased after January of this year would no longer be exempted from the DMCA.
The law gives the Librarian the authority to establish or eliminate exceptions -- and we respect that process.
But it is also worth noting the statement the Library of Congress released today on the broader public policy concerns of the issue.
Clearly the White House and Library of Congress agree that the DMCA exception process is a rigid and imperfect fit for this telecommunications issue, and we want to ensure this particular challenge for mobile competition is solved.
So where do we go from here?
The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear:
neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation.
We also believe the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), with its responsibility for promoting mobile competition and innovation, has an important role to play here.
FCC Chairman Genachowski today voiced his concern about mobile phone unlocking (.pdf), and to complement his efforts, NTIA will be formally engaging with the FCC as it addresses this urgent issue.
Finally, we would encourage mobile providers to consider what steps they as businesses can take to ensure that their customers can fully reap the benefits and features they expect when purchasing their devices.
We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, the wireless and mobile phone industries, and most importantly you -- the everyday consumers who stand to benefit from this greater flexibility -- to ensure our laws keep pace with changing technology, protect the economic competitiveness that has led to such innovation in this space, and offer consumers the flexibility and freedoms they deserve.
R. David Edelman is Senior Advisor for Internet, Innovation, & Privacy
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.
Alright fair enough, good job guys!
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Translation they agree but not really going to do much about it lol.
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Who's laughing now!!!??
As I said before, it all starts with us guys.... :good:
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I signed it also, and just got my e-mail like 35min ago.
I don't know if it will change anything short term, but if nothing else.... at least next time it comes up for review it should turn out more favorably. Hopefully they will step in and push through some intermediate legislation before the next scheduled review though.
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I signed it also, and just got my e-mail like 35min ago.
I don't know if it will change anything short term, but if nothing else.... at least next time it comes up for review it should turn out more favorably. Hopefully they will step in and push through some intermediate legislation before the next scheduled review though.
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That would be nice, but would require Congress to stop bickering for more than a minute...
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I saw this and thought the same, what's this really going to accomplish? And then the posted article where it apparently did accomplish something. Seems like that's not always the case... But in general, I guess it's not a ton of effort to click in and sign an online petition, so if my one vote does almost-nothing-but-still-something, I guess the return on investment is slightly higher than what I get for typing a single forum post.
Although, if the law is meant to keep people from ditching their carrier and not paying their bill and having the phone "for free", there is the spot they're going to get on their credit when it goes to collections. Getting denied for credit or getting a worse rate for the next 7 years doesn't seem completely devoid of consequence.
With the not so shocking revelation that Google (along with just about every other major hardware/software company) is in bed with the NSA and providing back doors and/or other entry points into their systems, is there really any such thing as a "personal" phone?
I mean, who's to say how far Samsung (and other device manufacturers) have gone to provide access to the government along with the O/S developer (Google) and the service providers who've all been outed as being complicit as well.
I'm sure that it's an unlikely possibility due to the sheer number of lines of code, can we really put much faith in the fact that are our favorite custom ROMs any more secure?
I would hope that they are, but I think that the battle was fought and won a decade ago and no one outside of the government and most corporate board rooms even knew the first shots had been fired, let alone the white flag had been raised, accepted and surrender terms had been agreed upon.
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is there really any such thing as a "personal" phone?..
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The communication system as a whole is not secure so in essence, no.
I mean, who's to say how far...
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Only you.
No tinfoil hats here but you should consider security your responsibility not anyone else's.
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The only security you have is in your head.
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Hey,
I just don't get why Samsung flatter carrier - that is Samsung does whatever carriers want it to do.
Carriers ask manufactures, including Samsung, to load their phone with annoying carrier apps, brand their logos on the phone (Verizon even did it on the home button -_-), and to make their slow UIs to be the default (Docomo...)
Yes, I do get Samsung has to suck carriers' a** because carriers are its customers, but does Samsung have to do this anymore?
Look at Apple, they have no trouble with going against the carriers' wishes. In fact, they act like a boss in front of the carriers. It is all possible because Apple products are popular and it knows that carriers will buy its phones anyways.
Samsung has grown to become the #1 smartphone manufacturer in the world and still for some reason has that servile attitude. Being a customer, I think consequences from Samsung's (and other manufactures') flattery is really really annoying.
WHY??????????
P.S. Recently Korean government made this wonderful law that requires (rather recommends) phone manufacturers to allow its users to delete most of the pre-loaded app. Fortunately, all of the Korean manufacturers accepted the new law and made most of the pre-loaded apps deletable in Korean models. (Yeah!) I hope this becomes the worldwide trend.
thats why we root and install custom roms.
who cares what they put on it.
its junk anyways.
bweN diorD said:
thats why we root and install custom roms.
who cares what they put on it.
its junk anyways.
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I don't like rooting cuz it voids the warranty and breaks the security.
And in fact, Android phones are satisfactory even without rooting
csm121295 said:
And in fact, Android phones are satisfactory even without rooting
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wow, you just ranted about stock crapware, then said this ^^^
sorry i replied, you cant have your cake and eat it too.
No I meant in terms of functionality, Android is satisfactory even withoit rooting.
And yes, I am willing to root anytime as long of it won't void the warranty and break the security.
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csm121295 said:
No I meant in terms of functionality, Android is satisfactory even withoit rooting.
And yes, I am willing to root anytime as long of it won't void the warranty and break the security.
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1.root your phone and delete them using system uninstaller.
2 don't worry about warranty because you can use triangle away app to remove custom counts and restock the Rom back when you need warranty.