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http://m.bgr.com/2011/09/01/htc-sensation-and-evo-3d-revealed-to-be-spying-on-users/
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I saw that. Hahahahaha......
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And of course this extra data counts against usage, I'm sure.
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Lame news
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If they can't access my personal items, I could care less.
Sucks for them. Although we had GoToMyPC on ours? WTH?
As much as I love android I have always said don't be surprised if Google is in bed with big brother... so all you HTC owners... who got porn on their phone...lmao
meh...
You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
that explains it
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You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
eagle1967 said:
its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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Haha and running cm7 its even worse right lol
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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Ahhh LG = Less Government. I approve.
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dkb218 said:
You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
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I agree but also say "who cares?" I don't do anything illegal. Track me all you want big brother! ;-)
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r4d14n7 said:
I agree but also say "who cares?" I don't do anything illegal. Track me all you want big brother! ;-)
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Unfortunately this is the prevailing mindset in America today. We disregard our inalienable right to privacy by saying "spy away gov't, I'm not hiding anything!". It sets up a precedent which marginalizes the demand for privacy, desensitizing everyone from this right. Then, anyone who demands privacy appears to be hiding something when in reality, Uncle Sam has no goddamned business prying in my affairs without probable cause whether or not I am breaking the law.
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Unfortunately this is the prevailing mindset in America today. We disregard our inalienable right to privacy by saying "spy away gov't, I'm not hiding anything!". It sets up a precedent which marginalizes the demand for privacy, desensitizing everyone from this right. Then, anyone who demands privacy appears to be hiding something when in reality, Uncle Sam has no goddamned business prying in my affairs without probable cause whether or not I am breaking the law.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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It is also your inalienable right to be irrevocably, unapologetically wrong.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
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Sorry. I despise the whole 'if you have nothing to hide' BS. The government now wants to operate with privacy from the people but wants to deny our INALIENABLE right to not be spied upon ourselves. This is in complete and total opposition to the way things should be.
America sucks.....wait, sorry, its the people that run America that suck and make it suck for everyone else. The true sheep trust Washington .....pfft.
Its a shame America is no longer for Americans. I have faith in our system, its the people that run it I have no faith in. Start speaking Chinese people, we may become the united states of China
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In order to prevent terrorism, freedoms must be bent. Fact of life in today's world. I understand the counterargument. It's just my choice to give up some of my freedoms to prevent terrorism. And I already have less freedoms than most of you as I'm an active duty US Military member.
This is basically an argument that no one can win, but it's always interesting to read others' opinions.
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In order to prevent terrorism, freedoms must be bent. Fact of life in today's world. I understand the counterargument. It's just my choice to give up some of my freedoms to prevent terrorism. And I already have less freedoms than most of you as I'm an active duty US Military member.
This is basically an argument that no one can win, but it's always interesting to read others' opinions.
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I was active duty military.
This is still BS.
What happens when every 10 years or so we give up just a little bit more of our freedoms for a false sense of security? Just a little more. I'm willing to give up just a little more. Repeat...and repeat....and repeat. Next thing you know they're all gone and your country has become a military state with little to no freedom of any kind. All for the sake of protecting the people, of course. Why don't we just take away everyone's ability to choose anything while we're at it. Then they'll be so much easier to manage and keep safe.
Freedoms should never be bent to protect freedom..
Not really belonging in the G2X forum
so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!
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It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?
Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.
zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.
Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.
LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent
Wow, never heard this until now
Since unlocking phones (for carrier use) becomes illegal starting tomorrow, we have made a petition to fight back.
Please sign!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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RBarnett09 said:
Since unlocking phones (for carrier use) becomes illegal starting tomorrow, we have made a petition to fight back.
Please sign!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
Milimbar said:
You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
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Indeed. I'm sure the White House is getting a nice chuckle from this petition.
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Here's the thing about what people may see as a pointless petition.
They are all pointless until created. No matter if this will make any difference or not.
Petitions aren't meant to go by guidelines or by what the current law or cycle of voting represents.
In fact, if we all just sat idly by while things happen around us and shrug our shoulders because well, that's what the law is and it doesn't come back up for discussion for 10 years, so let's just leave it as is, even though the majority of us are against it.
I guess my point is, no matter how small of a change or difference one person may think they will be or make, unless they start somewhere, they may as well roll over like everyone else.
Change starts with YOU!
(or you can accept things for the way they are dealt to you)
Santod is right. If enough people sign it will get attention and maybe it will be enough that it doesn't have to wait for three years before it is brought up again. If we keep allowing the cell companies to control how we use our property then eventually we won't have any control of it. This kind of crap needs to stop somewhere. This idea of not allowing us to decide if we want to stay with a specific carrier is bs. Would you like it if a bank said you had to remain in the same property, exactly the way it was originally purchased for the duration of the contract? Probably not.
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Nexus 4, 7, 10 ... ++ More Nexus is the way to go now. Besides, I font see the point in an ithing or win8.
A reason to get one now and get away from VZW, I say.
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Why is this crap being posted in forums for Verizon phones? It simply doesn't apply - VZW has never carrier locked their phones.
mike.s said:
Why is this crap being posted in forums for Verizon phones? It simply doesn't apply - VZW has never carrier locked their phones.
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Apparently you don't understand.
It will be illegal for us to unlock our phones to use them how we want to... HTC or not.
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This law affects all carriers. The only way around it is to get your carrier to unlock the phone for you or buy an unlocked phone from the start. They are only making it illegal to unlock your phone without their knowledge or permission.
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disconnecktie said:
This law affects all carriers. The only way around it is to get your carrier to unlock the phone for you or buy an unlocked phone from the start. They are only making it illegal to unlock your phone without their knowledge or permission.
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This definitely won't stop most people.
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This definitely won't stop most people.
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A $500,000 fine and 5 years in prison sounds like a pretty good deterrent to keep most people from doing though. I think they are mostly targeting the businesses that are capitalizing on something that the carrier will do for people most of the time. I think part of the problem is that people get a phone on contract and since the phone is subsidized when they don't pay their bill the phone company eats the cost of the phone. If they are able to unlock the phone and use it somewhere else they basically get a free phone.
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Plus from what I heard on the radio if you own a phone already then you can unlock it and flash it to whatever carrier. Online petitions are a joke. As you can't prove the people existence because of of no signatures. I could type out ten thousand names names easily. You want change? You want action? Then call your congressmen or woman and voice your dislikes. Have your family,friends,coworkers, and so on to call. Tell them you are not happy and unless you see action you will vote for the other guy. Keep calling and if enough people calls something might be done.
Or you could go the easier route and just buy a google branded phone and not have to worry about the stupid law lol. It is funny people don't seem to care about stuff till its to late.
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A $500,000 fine and 5 years in prison sounds like a pretty good deterrent to keep most people from doing though. I think they are mostly targeting the businesses that are capitalizing on something that the carrier will do for people most of the time. I think part of the problem is that people get a phone on contract and since the phone is subsidized when they don't pay their bill the phone company eats the cost of the phone. If they are able to unlock the phone and use it somewhere else they basically get a free phone.
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Holy....
I was unaware of that kind of punishment. That's insane.
How would someone get caught unlocking a phone though?
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I'm pretty sure that the esn will tell the new carrier where the phone came from. Plus you would have to know because unlocking it is probably different depending on which carrier you are coming from. There was a law passed recently that makes it illegal to take a phone with a bad esn and unlock it to use with a different carrier as well. The major carriers also have the ability to make a bad esn phone no good across most of the other carriers too.
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Milimbar said:
You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
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tm24fan8 said:
Indeed. I'm sure the White House is getting a nice chuckle from this petition.
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Who's laughing now!!!??
As I said before, it all starts with us guys.... :good:
Official White House Response to Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal.
(NOTE: This is in regards to carrier unlocking, not bootloader unlocking)
Source: LINK
It's Time to Legalize Cell Phone Unlocking
By R. David Edelman
Thank you for sharing your views on cell phone unlocking with us through your petition on our We the People platform.
Last week the White House brought together experts from across government who work on telecommunications, technology, and copyright policy, and we're pleased to offer our response.
The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties.
In fact, we believe the same principle should also apply to tablets, which are increasingly similar to smart phones. And if you have paid for your mobile device, and aren't bound by a service agreement or other obligation, you should be able to use it on another network.
It's common sense, crucial for protecting consumer choice, and important for ensuring we continue to have the vibrant, competitive wireless market that delivers innovative products and solid service to meet consumers' needs.
This is particularly important for secondhand or other mobile devices that you might buy or receive as a gift, and want to activate on the wireless network that meets your needs -- even if it isn't the one on which the device was first activated.
All consumers deserve that flexibility.
The White House's position detailed in this response builds on some critical thinking done by the President's chief advisory Agency on these matters:
the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA).
For more context and information on the technical aspects of the issue, you can review the NTIA's letter to the Library of Congress' Register of Copyrights (.pdf),
voicing strong support for maintaining the previous exception to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for cell phone carrier unlocking.
Contrary to the NTIA's recommendation, the Librarian of Congress ruled that phones purchased after January of this year would no longer be exempted from the DMCA.
The law gives the Librarian the authority to establish or eliminate exceptions -- and we respect that process.
But it is also worth noting the statement the Library of Congress released today on the broader public policy concerns of the issue.
Clearly the White House and Library of Congress agree that the DMCA exception process is a rigid and imperfect fit for this telecommunications issue, and we want to ensure this particular challenge for mobile competition is solved.
So where do we go from here?
The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear:
neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation.
We also believe the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), with its responsibility for promoting mobile competition and innovation, has an important role to play here.
FCC Chairman Genachowski today voiced his concern about mobile phone unlocking (.pdf), and to complement his efforts, NTIA will be formally engaging with the FCC as it addresses this urgent issue.
Finally, we would encourage mobile providers to consider what steps they as businesses can take to ensure that their customers can fully reap the benefits and features they expect when purchasing their devices.
We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, the wireless and mobile phone industries, and most importantly you -- the everyday consumers who stand to benefit from this greater flexibility -- to ensure our laws keep pace with changing technology, protect the economic competitiveness that has led to such innovation in this space, and offer consumers the flexibility and freedoms they deserve.
R. David Edelman is Senior Advisor for Internet, Innovation, & Privacy
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.
Alright fair enough, good job guys!
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Translation they agree but not really going to do much about it lol.
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Who's laughing now!!!??
As I said before, it all starts with us guys.... :good:
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I signed it also, and just got my e-mail like 35min ago.
I don't know if it will change anything short term, but if nothing else.... at least next time it comes up for review it should turn out more favorably. Hopefully they will step in and push through some intermediate legislation before the next scheduled review though.
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I signed it also, and just got my e-mail like 35min ago.
I don't know if it will change anything short term, but if nothing else.... at least next time it comes up for review it should turn out more favorably. Hopefully they will step in and push through some intermediate legislation before the next scheduled review though.
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That would be nice, but would require Congress to stop bickering for more than a minute...
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I saw this and thought the same, what's this really going to accomplish? And then the posted article where it apparently did accomplish something. Seems like that's not always the case... But in general, I guess it's not a ton of effort to click in and sign an online petition, so if my one vote does almost-nothing-but-still-something, I guess the return on investment is slightly higher than what I get for typing a single forum post.
Although, if the law is meant to keep people from ditching their carrier and not paying their bill and having the phone "for free", there is the spot they're going to get on their credit when it goes to collections. Getting denied for credit or getting a worse rate for the next 7 years doesn't seem completely devoid of consequence.
Hopefully I don't turn this is a political debate, this is only for the purpose of choose a mobile Operating Systems without the invasion of privacy.
So as we all know from the news, the US government agency have been spying and collecting data indiscriminate against almost everyone from almost every country under the PRISM program, which include Google, Microsoft and Apple.
I have been a loyal Android and Google customer for the past five years however, I think its time to change my communication provider and OS to a non American based company, most likely Sailfish.
I know NSA will be reading this and put me under surveillance after I post this, but I this it is important that we all seriously consider abandon Android and Google and all other PRISM associated companies.
FinancialWar said:
Hopefully I don't turn this is a political debate, this is only for the purpose of choose a mobile Operating Systems without the invasion of privacy.
So as we all know from the news, the US government agency have been spying and collecting data indiscriminate against almost everyone from almost every country under the PRISM program, which include Google, Microsoft and Apple.
I have been a loyal Android and Google customer for the past five years however, I think its time to change my communication provider and OS to a non American based company, most likely Sailfish.
I know NSA will be reading this and put me under surveillance after I post this, but I this it is important that we all seriously consider abandon Android and Google and all other PRISM associated companies.
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Good luck trying to hide yourself.
FinancialWar said:
I know NSA will be reading this and put me under surveillance after I post this, but I this it is important that we all seriously consider abandon Android and Google and all other PRISM associated companies.
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I love paranoia, don't get me wrong but seriously... We live in the 21st century and anyone wanting to be part of a large society will be "spied" upon by governments, corporations, neighbors... Not condoning this, nor do I agree with giving away my so called rights, but I hope you enjoy your desert island
(Yes flame me now, I'm ready)
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demkantor said:
I love paranoia, don't get me wrong but seriously... We live in the 21st century and anyone wanting to be part of a large society will be "spied" upon by governments, corporations, neighbors... Not condoning this, nor do I agree with giving away my so called rights, but I hope you enjoy your desert island
(Yes flame me now, I'm ready)
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I like how they are your "so called rights"....
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demkantor said:
I love paranoia, don't get me wrong but seriously... We live in the 21st century and anyone wanting to be part of a large society will be "spied" upon by governments, corporations, neighbors... Not condoning this, nor do I agree with giving away my so called rights, but I hope you enjoy your desert island
(Yes flame me now, I'm ready)
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So because I live in the 21 st century, and is part of the Western society, therefore I should accept the fact that US government is spying and collecting by personal data?
Since when is it ever acceptable or legal?
I don't need to live on a desert island to enjoy my basic right to privacy, that's why I am considering another service provider that is non American, non PRISM and respect my rights.
Accepting and understanding are two different things, all the best to your movement to a new os and I hope this will keep the government out of your voicemail and Facebook. More should be proactive like you and I hope your congressman gets a letter of outrage as well.
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My Congressman? I am not American and I couldn't careless about American politics. I just don't want my emails and browsering history monitored.
Hi,
to protect your privacy use pgp or other crypto tools to encrypt and sign your emails.
bye
It isn't going to matter which OS you're using, if they really want to spy on you, they'll find a way to get the information.
Also, if they really want to spy on you and go to all that trouble and spend time and resources, then you're probably doing something very wrong and deserve it.
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Use a proxy. D).
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FinancialWar said:
...my basic right to privacy...
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That's a basic right in all civilized countries, but apparently not in the US... what a sh*t, isn't it?
I mean, it's OK if the US Government want to spy their own citizens, but why they're spying non-american citizens?
thlmobile said:
My phone is not a smartphone.
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what are you doing on XDA?
Surprise, surprise!
SPIEGEL has learned from internal NSA documents that the US intelligence agency has the capability of tapping user data from the iPhone, devices using Android as well as BlackBerry, a system previously believed to be highly secure.
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-http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-920971.html-
I believe that smartphones are a gold mine not only for spying agencies but also for commercial behavioral trackers. I would wish to see more privacy-aware development from the XDA community.
I am aware of Xprivacy, OpenPDroid and Replicant. What other work is done to make Android more privacy friendly?
I agree .... just recently a criminal in my area was found and arrested after the police called his cell phone provider and had them track him for them... now it's good that a criminal was caught but the possibility of abuse of the tracking abilities of these phones is too risky for me .... I would love to see some privacy apps come out that can get a handle on this issue.
Here they need a warrent if they want to track your Phone through the provider and over here the providers wont give any info if they dont have to as far as i know.
Not Anymore i found the Backdoor Nobody belive me but Why
The name of the Backdoor is SevenEngine.apk delet it and no more Spying
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Red Hack group said:
Not Anymore i found the Backdoor Nobody belive me but Why
The name of the Backdoor is SevenEngine.apk delet it and no more Spying
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Well... If you perhaps looked into what that app is, you'd find that it's the engine powering Samsung stock ROM email services?
Before you claim something is a backdoor, and that removing it leads to "no more spying", what about some proper analysis of the app?
The app is not present on stock version of Android either
This app dont appear is service list and used this week 190 Gb data connection Oo explain !
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This app dont appear is service list and used this week 190 Gb data connection Oo explain !
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If it's not in the service list, it's not a service...
190 Gb - really? I think you need to either check your stats are correct there, or look at the traffic you've sent/received in terms of Email.
You can't "call" a backdoor using these userland tools, as a good backdoor won't appear in them...
I would more worry about the millions of users who check e-mail on a device on public WiFi (secured with password or not).
So many people connect to POP accounts with the credentials sent in plain text format with no secure e-mail setup.
Same applies to some Apps not just the main App bundled with the system.
P.S. I am not talking about sending passwords by e-mail in plain text. (yet I worry for the masses that do that also.)
I am talking about those who have e-mail accounts setup on a device, but the e-mail client communicates with the e-mail server for log-in with an unsecured / unencrypted protocol.
zurpher said:
I am aware of Xprivacy, OpenPDroid and Replicant. What other work is done to make Android more privacy friendly?
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Good thread, thanks has been given. Have a look into my signature. This is the project I am very fire and flame for at the moment. If you would like to know when being traced down by law enforcement agencies or police, participate in developing this awesome app!
NSA's sole purpose is spying, they will die but do this. They try to spy on everybody not just in USA but all over the world. Smartphones are not the only target. They put their hands on everything, I am sure Windows and other OS and most popular software are full of hidden back-doors inserted by NSA. Of course it is done without warrants. It is approved by secret judges in secret courts. Thanks Snowden and other guys to poor more light on this.
Im glad this forum was started... I am very excited about android security as well and for a good reason: I have a lot of highly confidential patient files on my phone and tablet and would never imagine of giving them up.
For the communtiy who want more : there's an app out of beta but still in developement called network connections. google it. It monitors the current live connections and their IP address. In my opinion very useful but i think its needs a rigerous run. Ive been using wireshark but thats a bit too hectic given my time constraints. Oh and the dev has graciously put the pro version for free download for this week only. so give that a try and let me know.
Of course, lets not kid ourselves into believing Android is secure from highly funded and powerful spying agencies.
aejazhaq said:
I have a lot of highly confidential patient files on my phone and tablet and would never imagine of giving them up.
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Hahaha.. you suck in securing your files!
dharmabum02 said:
I agree .... just recently a criminal in my area was found and arrested after the police called his cell phone provider and had them track him for them... now it's good that a criminal was caught but the possibility of abuse of the tracking abilities of these phones is too risky for me .... I would love to see some privacy apps come out that can get a handle on this issue.
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A cell provider can track you like this regardless of what type of phone you have. It's not a smartphone thing. All they need to do is see what cell tower your phone is connected too (any network, not just data). And since it's their tower they know where it is - hence they know your approximate location from you turning your phone on.
So if you don't want your provider to know where you are - don't connect to their network.
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Hahaha.. you suck in securing your files!
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hahahaha... yeah but I have to work off my tablet and theres so much in a days work unless the precess is automated I doubt I can do it every single time. The others just will probably have a hard time with APG anyway ... for now im sticking with the hospital address.
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NSA's sole purpose is spying, they will die but do this. They try to spy on everybody not just in USA but all over the world. Smartphones are not the only target. They put their hands on everything, I am sure Windows and other OS and most popular software are full of hidden back-doors inserted by NSA. Of course it is done without warrants. It is approved by secret judges in secret courts. Thanks Snowden and other guys to poor more light on this.
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Ya
zurpher said:
Surprise, surprise!
-http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-920971.html-
I believe that smartphones are a gold mine not only for spying agencies but also for commercial behavioral trackers. I would wish to see more privacy-aware development from the XDA community.
I am aware of Xprivacy, OpenPDroid and Replicant. What other work is done to make Android more privacy friendly?
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Of course they are a data gold mine.
At one time everyone was warning of the day we'd have ID chips implanted in us to track our every movement. No need for that, we all willingly submit by carrying phones.
There is no privacy software that will help you. Your carrier can be compelled by secret courts to hand over any metadata associated with your account. This is not isolated to the US. Canada is doing it too, and probably many other countries.
If you want privacy, you can't connect to any networks.
flar2 said:
There is no privacy software that will help you.
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Have a look at THIS THREAD. It aims to develop a tool to at least warn people that they're being traced down. Developer missing. Post there and revive the project!
zurpher said:
Surprise, surprise!
-http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-920971.html-
I believe that smartphones are a gold mine not only for spying agencies but also for commercial behavioral trackers. I would wish to see more privacy-aware development from the XDA community.
I am aware of Xprivacy, OpenPDroid and Replicant. What other work is done to make Android more privacy friendly?
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Really, all this NSA bs is nothing new. If you are just now aware that spy agencies can spy on you now, well welcome to the modern age. They could spy on your phone even before smartphones existed.
Now what they are mostly doing is "Data Mining" on top of being able to hear what you say and if you really think you can do something against it, think again. And BTW, every developed country does it. The whole evil NSA is just antiamerican propaganda. If you think the russians are not spying or the chinese are not spying, think again. Maybe this will ease your conscience a bit by knowing that everybody spies.
If you are afraid of being spied and you have valuable information, you should not be asking major geopolitical agencies to change their policy, instead you should get off the internet. These are matters of "National Security".
Wellcome to the information age.
Information is power.
shadowcore said:
Really, all this NSA bs is nothing new. If you are just now aware that spy agencies can spy on you now, well welcome to the modern age. They could spy on your phone even before smartphones existed.
Now what they are mostly doing is "Data Mining" on top of being able to hear what you say and if you really think you can do something against it, think again. And BTW, every developed country does it. The whole evil NSA is just antiamerican propaganda. If you think the russians are not spying or the chinese are not spying, think again. Maybe this will ease your conscience a bit by knowing that everybody spies.
If you are afraid of being spied and you have valuable information, you should not be asking major geopolitical agencies to change their policy, instead you should get off the internet. These are matters of "National Security".
Wellcome to the information age.
Information is power.
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Too true, sadly.