so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!
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It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
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Any proof about this?
Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.
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I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.
Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.
LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent
Wow, never heard this until now
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http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382500,00.asp
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This looks like some well-meaning, do-gooder idea, but I can assure you that it's the camel sticking its head in a tent. I'm referring to the breaking news about how four U.S. Senators (who apparently have nothing better to do) want to control what apps you can or cannot buy. They began their effort by nearly demanding that Apple eliminate any iPhone apps that help consumers find police checkpoints, so they can avoid them.
The rationale behind removing these apps is the Senators say the only reason people would want to avoid a police checkpoint is because they're drunk. Thus, they've rationalized that the apps are a hazard to the public.
The four U.S. Senators, all Democrats, are Charles Schumer of New York, Harry Reid of Nevada, Frank Lautenberg of New Jersey and Tom Udall of New Mexico, and they should be voted out of office as soon as possible. What's wrong with the voters?
In a widely quoted joint letter to Apple's iPhone VP, Scott Forstall, the Senators wrote:
We write today with grave concern regarding the ease with which downloadable applications for the iPhone, iPad, and other Apple products allow customers to identify where local police officers have set up DUI checkpoints. With more than 10,000 Americans dying in drunk-driving crashes every year, providing access to iPhone and iPad applications that alert users to DUI checkpoints is harmful to public safety.
If this is actually about public safety, then why don't the Senators also advocate removing all the apps that show the numerous speed traps around the country? After all, speeders are a danger too, no? In fact, speeding is the leading cause of death not drunk driving.
By the way, sober people like to avoid police checkpoints, too, if you haven't noticed. Who the heck wants to go through a police checkpoint to be grilled like a criminal for doing nothing more than driving down the street?
This whole thing is an attempt to regulate apps. Already we've seen the FCC poke its nose into regulating the Internet by getting involved in net neutrality issues. As this column is being written, meetings are taking place all over Washington to find ways to regulate the distribution and use of the Internet. Watch CSPAN sometime and you can see the guys ready to set up shop to do this.
This will eventually mean licensing. In the early 1900s, when the radio hobby was blossoming, you didn't need a license to broadcast anything. We thought free access was going to change the world. Then the government jumped in because things were supposedly getting too chaotic. The hobbyists were shoved into a few specific bands and the pros (commercial companies) were required to have a license. Soon the hobbyists (ham operators) were required to have a license too.
And where is all the real action in the radio spectrum? The unlicensed bands. Now, another Legislator, Peter King wants to ban the ham radio folks—the only people who manage to communicate during real emergencies—from operating. Again there is a bogus rationale. In this case, it's because of the idea that Muslim hams can plan terrorist attacks. This is our government at work.
The nerve of these four Senators to pressure a private company like Apple to sell or not sell something is incredible to me. This crap is just going to get worse as long as guys like this remain in office.
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**** THAT!!!!!!!! (sorry mods)
Oh yea Muslims will plan terrorist attacks inside the country via open unencrypted radio waves...imagine their callsignes lol...
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Nicgraner said:
Oh yea Muslims will plan terrorist attacks inside the country via open unencrypted radio waves...imagine their callsignes lol...
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"This is big slushi calling little slushi everything is ready at the 7/11 over"
Thas SOMe POOP!!
Look there is and never will be a way to control digital media whether its APi's ir APK. they should take some lessons from the Music and Movie industries.... . so yeah know they think that an open source like android. will be kept in Cheked? what ever..... just saying that if its digital it will never be tamed!!!
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Look there is and never will be a way to control digital media whether its APi's ir APK. they should take some lessons from the Music and Movie industries.... . so yeah know they think that an open source like android. will be kept in Cheked? what ever..... just saying that if its digital it will never be tamed!!!
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What they are getting at is they want to regulate the type of applications that are made available via public access application markets. They are not wanting to watch what is made available via, forums or what not, just what is on the market. It's a stupid idea to me. Developer sends app to google, FCC/DOJ clears the app it goes lives. This could easily be controlled. But you are 100% correct if someone makes an app, we'll say this DUI checkpoint app, and post it via any forum their is no way of one person, or group of being able to control it. Esp if lets say 2 dozen people store the .apk somewhere on a hard drive.
You people are forgetting these are the same morons who can't even operate computers much less babbling about mobile platform. These idiots always try some BS as they never understand it they will never be able to control jack all I hear from them is talking but they are saying nothing honestly. Now talking about DOJ/FCC watch AT&T own them as all know the Gov works for THE DeathStar so the at&Tmobile merge will go without hitch.
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You people are forgetting these are the same morons who can't even operate computers much less babbling about mobile platform. These idiots always try some BS as they never understand it they will never be able to control jack all I hear from them is talking but they are saying nothing honestly. Now talking about DOJ/FCC watch AT&T own them as all know the Gov works for THE DeathStar so the at&Tmobile merge will go without hitch.
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I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it. I didn't want to pull sides. But i do agree. 99% of everything they touch ends up FUBARd.
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I was thinking that but wasn't going to say it. I didn't want to pull sides. But i do agree. 99% of everything they touch ends up FUBARd.
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Ya thats cheap publicity stunt as they trying to show brain washed Americans they are actually doing something. Its all total BS when we should be worried about real issues in USA but we have to deal with these type of BS. I still don't see why we can't just hang them for high treason and get it over with. I know I am harsh but we need this type actions to get rid of these degenerates. It don't matter who we put in office they all part of the same good ol party of BS politicians.
This is why freedom no longer exists in the USA! You can't even leave the country of your own will! Gun control is a prime example. My ssn doesn't do squat for me because some killer is in the florida state penitentiary that has the same name as me! They make me wait for a fire arm. Yet my fingerprints and ssn are suppose to help eliminate that issue. The laws are for control not protection! Why would any sane individual hold the head of a dead man up to get his picture taken with them? These are the new soldiers that are being bread. The kind of trash that will do what the government tells them to do. Not what they should no is wrong. Look at law enforcement. My wife use to be in it. Now she is disgraced that it has gotten as bad as it has. Look at education. Kids are being dumbed up instead of taught. The less knowledge, money, skill, and power you have, the more obedient you will be! Just remember George Washington! He knew what to do and when to do it.
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xHKMx Dude......Sir that was well said!!! well said.........
All of this GB radio leak talk has me extremely pissed and saddened. You guys saying "I'll take the chance, I have insurance" are committing fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, do you have no Moral compass? You are breaking the LAW (committing a FELONY) and you are costing all of us NON-ASSHOLES money. I have a higher insurance rate than I used to because of all the fraudulent claims, we all have encrypted bootloaders because of all the fraudulent claims....
If you run unsigned code and the phone breaks, that is YOUR FAULT, not the OEM or anyone else's.
Honesty is a virtue, and many of you are lacking it, your families would be so proud.
It's a damn shame that jcase pointed out the error and you guys attack him and say that you don't care, you'll just defraud people. I hope Asurion subpoenas your IP addresses and files lawsuits against you all, criminal and civil. Seriously.
I would just like to point out the the OP that his message is in futility to anyone he intends it for. Just saying
This has always made me wonder...
I can drive down the street with my phone held out the window and when it drops I can have it replaced (via insurance) without hearing someone yell fraud. Sure its stupid, but I could do it.
How is this different?
Morkai Almandragon said:
This has always made me wonder...
I can drive down the street with my phone held out the window and when it drops I can have it replaced (via insurance) without hearing someone yell fraud. Sure its stupid, but I could do it.
How is this different?
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If you threw the phone out the window it would be fraud...
Right vs wrong. Deception vs honesty. Being a good person vs being an asshole.
Does no one ever look in the mirror anymore???
Fraud costs us all, and you have to be one selfish asshole to commit it. You are no more important than I, so why should you be able to cheat a company that will require ME to pay more?
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I would just like to point out the the OP that his message is in futility to anyone he intends it for. Just saying
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If 50 people read it I'll be happy. Just letting them know that there are still some honest people left who will look down upon them for their selfishness. I don't care if any of them change their ways, so long as they know they are assholes.
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If 50 people read it I'll be happy. Just letting them know that there are still some honest people left who will look down upon them for their selfishness. I don't care if any of them change their ways, so long as they know they are assholes.
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No offense but no one cares what people say on the internet. No one is telling it to their faces so they just shrug it off.
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Fine with me if someone wants to claim insurance fraudulently, but don't brag about it. Pretty obvious.
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All of this GB radio leak talk has me extremely pissed and saddened. You guys saying "I'll take the chance, I have insurance" are committing fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously, do you have no Moral compass? You are breaking the LAW (committing a FELONY) and you are costing all of us NON-ASSHOLES money. I have a higher insurance rate than I used to because of all the fraudulent claims, we all have encrypted bootloaders because of all the fraudulent claims....
If you run unsigned code and the phone breaks, that is YOUR FAULT, not the OEM or anyone else's.
Honesty is a virtue, and many of you are lacking it, your families would be so proud.
It's a damn shame that jcase pointed out the error and you guys attack him and say that you don't care, you'll just defraud people. I hope Asurion subpoenas your IP addresses and files lawsuits against you all, criminal and civil. Seriously.
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Just wondering with your strong moral compass do you let others know when you record their phone calls? Being that you not letting someone know they are being recorded could make you an asshole. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14171309#post14171309
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Just wondering with your strong moral compass do you let others know when you record their phone calls? Being that you not letting someone know they are being recorded could make you an asshole. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14171309#post14171309
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Nice try, but in my job I actually investigate fraud, and I start every phone call with "This call is being recorded" and then I ask them to state their name and say that they are aware of being recording. Having that built-in would make my job easier....
Want to try me again? This time in the bonus round where all rewards are doubled?
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Just wondering with your strong moral compass do you let others know when you record their phone calls? Being that you not letting someone know they are being recorded could make you an asshole. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14171309#post14171309
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That could also be a crime. If you are in one of the twelve states listed in this article you would need consent from all parties on a call before you record. I wonder how this would work for cellphones with different area codes since they are mobile and all. For instance, if I have a Hawaii number but I travel to Florida would the law apply to my geographic location at time of making call or where my number is based out of?
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I for one would feel bad about doing it in this case because we were warned before hand. I approach things like tethering differently because I feel like I already pay for data, etc, etc...But this seems different to me (albeit tethering is wrong too). I don't think I could send it in for warranty exchange after being careless and ignored warnings, but, I'm not one to throw stones either way.
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No offense but no one cares what people say on the internet. No one is telling it to their faces so they just shrug it off.
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They'll care when/if they are getting investigated and possibly sent to prison over a $500 phone. Insurance fraud nets you an average sentence of over 2 years in the penal system.... My investigations have led to almost as much jail-time as Denzel's character in "Training day"!!!!!
I'm sure you do. As for post, although I agree it's wrong to mislead someone. I feel it's not your position to pass judgment on to others since you benefit from their work.
Your insurance is higher because your holding a nearly $600 phone, not because of the minuscule % of people doing fraudulent claims. You would be shocked at the #"s of people that have droids to those who root. I work for vzw and honestly probably 1 out of every 20 droids I sell, does the person actually know what rooting is. On that note, they've heard of it, but don't know anything about it and when we explain the voided warranty, they quickly loose interest. It takes someone that is pretty confident in their PC skills to actually follow through with the root process. Plus the ones that actually do get through the process usually know enough to fix any issues they may come across. Ie. Everyone flashing older radios and going back to froyo. Bottom line its all about #s and it is NOT the reason behind Asurion raising monthly cost. Its the device...
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Does anyone find it funny that folks are getting bent out of shape over insurance claims, yet insurance companies screw the end user, be it medical, dental, whatever, constantly.
Just stop it with the moral compass crap and insurance talk. Neither belong together. The insurance company certainly has no moral compass. Two wrongs don't make a right...but a right and a wrong, still equals a wrong.
So you either win, or you lose. Moral compass doesn't pay any bills, and it doesn't make either side play fair, just because one side adheres to it.
--Sent from my phone, and off kilter moral compass.
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I'm sure you do. As for post, although I agree it's wrong to mislead someone. I feel it's not your position to pass judgment on to others since you benefit from their work.
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How do I benefit from people returning their phones fraudulently??
I don't get it?
Are you saying I benefit because they made a call recorder? In no way is any dev telling anyone to commit fraud, so I obviously am not passing judgement on any of them....
I am passing judgement on the people that cost me $$$$.
I work in the field, so let me tell you, BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING when fraud gets to the insane levels that they have here, and they will respond with appropriate rate hikes and litigation. In fact XDA developers themselves could face court fines if Asurion subpoenaed them and they didn't divulge the IP addresses of the admitted defrauders.
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Does anyone find it funny that folks are getting bent out of shape over insurance claims, yet insurance companies screw the end user, be it medical, dental, whatever, constantly...
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What a minute, did you peak at my latest medical bill? Their moral compass led them to my bank account.
I don't get how its fraud say I accidebtly dropped my phone out the window of my car...I knew before hand that I could drop it and break it but it happened so now let's say I rooted my phone and and it pricked I knew before that it could brick but it happened...it goes the same for swimming with your phone or doing anything else **** give me a break its not like people are breaking their phone on purpose I would agree when it comes to that but their not.
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What a minute, did you peak at my latest medical bill? Their moral compass led them to my bank account.
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hahaha!
Aint that the truth!
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Does anyone find it funny that folks are getting bent out of shape over insurance claims, yet insurance companies screw the end user, be it medical, dental, whatever, constantly.
Just stop it with the moral compass crap and insurance talk. Neither belong together. The insurance company certainly has no moral compass. Two wrongs don't make a right...but a right and a wrong, still equals a wrong.
So you either win, or you lose. Moral compass doesn't pay any bills, and it doesn't make either side play fair, just because one side adheres to it.
--Sent from my phone, and off kilter moral compass.
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If you feel like the insurance companies are screwing you, then don't get insurance. Very simple. I'm sure you can afford to pay for a catastrophic illness or disability out of pocket... Most people cannot, and rely on insurance to handle the burden...
You sign an agreement with them, actually a legally binding contract!!!! They don't violate it, so why should you be allowed to?? Because you want to stick it to "the man"????? Great reasoning.
Anyway, I'm out. Got business.
http://m.bgr.com/2011/09/01/htc-sensation-and-evo-3d-revealed-to-be-spying-on-users/
Enjoy
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I saw that. Hahahahaha......
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And of course this extra data counts against usage, I'm sure.
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Lame news
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If they can't access my personal items, I could care less.
Sucks for them. Although we had GoToMyPC on ours? WTH?
As much as I love android I have always said don't be surprised if Google is in bed with big brother... so all you HTC owners... who got porn on their phone...lmao
meh...
You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
that explains it
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You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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Haha and running cm7 its even worse right lol
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its not that the g2x gps is poor due to LG's inability to program android. they actually broke it on purpose so we wouldnt be tracked . thansk LG.
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Ahhh LG = Less Government. I approve.
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You're a fool if you think your smartphone isn't sending information about you to big brother. You have a tracking device on you whenever you have a phone with a battery in it - be in on or off. NEVER think your conversations are private. Never think you location isn't known.
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I agree but also say "who cares?" I don't do anything illegal. Track me all you want big brother! ;-)
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r4d14n7 said:
I agree but also say "who cares?" I don't do anything illegal. Track me all you want big brother! ;-)
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Unfortunately this is the prevailing mindset in America today. We disregard our inalienable right to privacy by saying "spy away gov't, I'm not hiding anything!". It sets up a precedent which marginalizes the demand for privacy, desensitizing everyone from this right. Then, anyone who demands privacy appears to be hiding something when in reality, Uncle Sam has no goddamned business prying in my affairs without probable cause whether or not I am breaking the law.
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TJBunch1228 said:
Unfortunately this is the prevailing mindset in America today. We disregard our inalienable right to privacy by saying "spy away gov't, I'm not hiding anything!". It sets up a precedent which marginalizes the demand for privacy, desensitizing everyone from this right. Then, anyone who demands privacy appears to be hiding something when in reality, Uncle Sam has no goddamned business prying in my affairs without probable cause whether or not I am breaking the law.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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It is also your inalienable right to be irrevocably, unapologetically wrong.
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mr2324jgf said:
You can't catch **** before it happens and want total privacy, doesn't work. Most Americans don't want tragedy to strike again, and this is why the American Gov't must impose this and that to make sure they cover themselves. Heaven forbid a day come where we see Pearl 9/11 2.0 and the government had the technology to prevent it, but didn't because it would "impose on the rights of the people".
Spy away... keep America safe. Simple logic, don't want something on your phone compromised? Don't keep it on your phone.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security Deserve Neither.
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Sorry. I despise the whole 'if you have nothing to hide' BS. The government now wants to operate with privacy from the people but wants to deny our INALIENABLE right to not be spied upon ourselves. This is in complete and total opposition to the way things should be.
America sucks.....wait, sorry, its the people that run America that suck and make it suck for everyone else. The true sheep trust Washington .....pfft.
Its a shame America is no longer for Americans. I have faith in our system, its the people that run it I have no faith in. Start speaking Chinese people, we may become the united states of China
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In order to prevent terrorism, freedoms must be bent. Fact of life in today's world. I understand the counterargument. It's just my choice to give up some of my freedoms to prevent terrorism. And I already have less freedoms than most of you as I'm an active duty US Military member.
This is basically an argument that no one can win, but it's always interesting to read others' opinions.
r4d14n7 said:
In order to prevent terrorism, freedoms must be bent. Fact of life in today's world. I understand the counterargument. It's just my choice to give up some of my freedoms to prevent terrorism. And I already have less freedoms than most of you as I'm an active duty US Military member.
This is basically an argument that no one can win, but it's always interesting to read others' opinions.
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I was active duty military.
This is still BS.
What happens when every 10 years or so we give up just a little bit more of our freedoms for a false sense of security? Just a little more. I'm willing to give up just a little more. Repeat...and repeat....and repeat. Next thing you know they're all gone and your country has become a military state with little to no freedom of any kind. All for the sake of protecting the people, of course. Why don't we just take away everyone's ability to choose anything while we're at it. Then they'll be so much easier to manage and keep safe.
Freedoms should never be bent to protect freedom..
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FBI Documents Shine Light on Clandestine Cellphone Tracking Tool
The FBI calls it a “sensitive investigative technique” that it wants to keep secret.
But newly released documents that shed light on the bureau’s use of a controversial cellphone tracking technology
called the “Stingray” have prompted fresh questions over the legality of the spy tool.
Functioning as a so-called “cell-site simulator,” the Stingray is a sophisticated portable surveillance device.
The equipment is designed to send out a powerful signal that covertly dupes phones within a specific area into hopping onto a fake network.
The feds say they use them to target specific groups or individuals and help track the movements of suspects in real time, not to intercept communications.
But by design Stingrays, sometimes called “IMSI catchers,” collaterally gather data from innocent bystanders’ phones and can interrupt phone users’ service—which critics say violates a federal communications law.
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Their actions should not be legal, but nowadays, you never know
The nature of it would mean portability, which means it's probably a tech designed solely for hijacking phonecalls of suspects.
My guess is that if it at all exists in the field, it transmits its signals in a cone and is not a general transmitter so as to lower power consumption and avoid targeting people you don't care about.
For example targeting the house of suspected terrorists, perfectly legal through the patriot act.
Feds don't care about the average Joe, the ugly but also comforting truth.
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Their actions should not be legal, but nowadays, you never know
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Its should be perfectly legal your one of those people that would gov to a prison say its to harsh and let them all out right? If you got nothing to hide who cares? Are you s terrost? No I didn't think so. So who cares?
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What if someone in power wakes up and decides that it is illegal to use the word help?
Truth is that as you give up on individual privacy, you give a little more power to whoever is in charge.
One day you're going to wake up to a big brother state
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navyenzo said:
One day you're going to wake up to a big brother state
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That's exactly why the project mentioned in my signature is looking out for a developer who's interested to ensure our privacy. Feel free to have a look at the project, recommend the thread from my signature and enjoy posting something useful there!
From recent new reports easily searched (my post count is not high enough to post links).
It appears that for some time now US Gov. agencies are able to activate microphones on cellular devices. While wiretapping with a warrant is certainly legal and a necessary tool for law enforcement, I cant help but feel a certain level of intrusion if people can turn my cell phone into a mobile recording device / "bug" even if I am not actively talking on it. The ramifications of cell phones allowing Gov's to turn their countries into police states is frightening.
With the level of software modification now happening with Android and iOS, is this something that can be prevented?
Do we know how this is even possible? I read one persons opinion that it might be something activated within the radio code itself as it seems to be a blackbox of various functions that has yet to be decoded (sorry for my limited knowledge on the subject)
Please lets keep the responses of "dont use your cell phone" or "you should nothing to hide in the 1st place" to a minimum.
Instead of another pointless political discussion, I'd like to see real practical suggestions and insight (not some BS like "don't do anything wrong" or "throw your phone away") for people who actually care about this. MANY people are interested, so the tendency to dismiss it repeatedly is uncalled for, no matter what you personally may think.
How about some real answers for questions like:
What is the best way to secure an Android phone and still use it normally?
What kind of apps are available to best secure your phone from spying/monitoring?
Are custom ROMs or forks in the works for this?
Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
ShadowLea said:
Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
ShadowLea said:
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
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Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
evilmrt said:
What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
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Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
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No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
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I agree , ShadowLea take your politicking crap else where...
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I suspect it would likely be embedded in the hardware.
And not easily bypassed.
That's how I'd do it.
And I have nothing to hide. But the rampant corruption and abuse of power is becoming a very serious issue.
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