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Google's True Purpose?

http://ashleyesqueda.com/private/HdniCFAkDv
What pisses me off as mentioned is the fact that you have to install a software update WITH the skin intact and updated as well. I don't like how this delays the time the update takes to get pushed, I don't like how this oftentimes turns me off from using the damn skin, and I most definitely don't like the fact that I have to install it to get perks. It's a trap!! The whole update BS is what drove me (and many others) to root their Legends in the first place. This is absolute crap!
And yeah, I'm against a locked bootloader as with everybody here on XDA. It's not just the custom skins being reverted to plain stock or similar, it's the extra "feel-good" things you can do with it unlocked.
Thoughts on the rant?

Google's in it to make money? What a shock(!)
They're a company, not a charity.

Google is also about spreading it's monoply.
And they're better at it than At%t

Yeah Google is in it for money all company's are, money makes the world go around nowadays so that's what they do. As far as the ads part, that's how they make their money that's how they always have, but you don't see ads floating around when you use your phone just in apps that you download form the marketplace. However, the OS is open, like any other Linux base, allowing people to customize it and thus making Google sit back and see what devs can do with it and integrating what the devs are bringing to the table and seeing what people like (free user studys). Its genius on their part especially to push it to the masses that don't know what they're doing and have no idea what it even means when you say "root." I've always enjoyed Linux and its openness so I will continue to support Android.

Agree with rant.
Yeah, it's the nerds that want this, but the normals don't consider the why.
And the why is these devices are not phones.
They are tiny computers.
And it's pretty terrible that I can change the OS on my other, not-so-tiny computer whenever I want to, but I'm stuck with whatever the manufacturer of a given device forces upon me?
I'm not even sure I like the fact that my smartphone is limited to Android only.
I envision a day sometime in the future where smartphones are treated as tiny computers by everyone--including the manufacturers. Where you can buy barebones smartphones from the manufacturers without a preinstalled OS and pick your poison!
Of course Apple would never play ball with this--they don't even do so on their not-so-tiny computers--but wouldn't it be sweet to pick up the latest HTC superphone and then think to yourself...
... do I want Android, MeeGo, Windows Phone... or whatever other mobile OSes might exist at the time?
That's true openness now, but smartphones are in their infancy, and too many people still think of them as just very fancy phones.

Google's true purpose is to take over the world!
The main purpose of ANY company, is to MAKE MONEY, so the top-level execs can enjoy a huge cushy corner office, drive a company Mercedes S-class, own a Bentley for personal use, host extravagant parties on their yacht, visit France on weekends in the private jet, live in a house so big there are rooms they've never set foot in, and still have enough to pay for private security, butler, maid, and nanny for the rugrats. Accomplishing this goal for Google includes ads, and for manufacturers, includes customization for product differentiation and locked bootloaders to reduce losses from warranty/support claims.
In a way, it's the lax rules of "open" Android which has allowed manufacters to customize however they see fit.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the fact that this woman is interested enough in technology to even bother ranting about Google, Android, and secured bootloaders, is a total turn on?

All companies give something away then, start changing the game, the problem with All phone companies is soon we will have devices that will allow us to load whatever we want, (we do that with dual boot now) this will become the standard, probably take 3-5 years before it is mainstream. But, like everyone else said Google just wants to make money. and have secure market position.....
..... duh.....

google is a company ..... where the strangeness?

GnatGoSplat said:
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the fact that this woman is interested enough in technology to even bother ranting about Google, Android, and secured bootloaders, is a total turn on?
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... hey, not everyone here is a guy, you know!
... and yet I still agree!

Moral of the story- Companies like money to further themselves.

Step666 said:
Google's in it to make money? What a shock(!)
They're a company, not a charity.
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Agree.Google is a company,not a charity.

LOL GOogle wasnt made so people can happily search away
It was made with the purpose of making money... who would spend thousands of dollars doing otherwise.
PS. "Google is a company, not a charity" <---Egg-sactly.

I completely disagree with the whole "stock skin is awesome!" thing. I personally dislike the stock Android theme, and it was one of the reasons I disliked CM7 to begin with, until I found Honeybread.
The stock Galaxy S theme is my favorite theme I've seen so far.

I agree with synaesthetic's vision. Would be amazing if we could dual boot operating systems on any smartphone too.
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sales are UP
Google also gives all your personal data (contacts included, and all their data) to it's subsidiaries. thus bypassing Google's own privacy policies, and this is perfectly legal.
they then make a big tree showing your surfing habits, your friends and families. what u eat and drink and what movies you watch, what news you are interested in your political affiliation !
the more info they have on you the more you are worth to them.
both for their own adds and the more you are worth when they sell your info through their subsidiaries!
like i said this is all perfectly legal. because it's subsidiaries do not have the same privacy policies as the parent company! in this case Google!
why do u think they want to get into the internet service providing business (ISP)? More INFO!
now they have u using their OS, their web-browser, their app store, their email, google maps (to see where u go and what u eat) even down to what streets u use and how long u spend at each place!
the amount of info they have on u is mind blowing
why do u think they are trying to pass a bill in congress on how (and how much) these companies collect info on you!
it will never pass. but it shows you even members of congress are concerned about the points i made above!
so I'm not just talking out of my behind OR a conspiracy nut. it cant even be a conspiracy if it wanted to because the info i right out in the open for anyone who cares enough to look for it,
the companies even Google are not trying to hide anything
food for thought next time u turn on your Google
Ric H. (a1yet)
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synaesthetic said:
... hey, not everyone here is a guy, you know!
... and yet I still agree!
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...there are girls here...!

QUOTE of the day is
deeking2 said:
...there are girls here...!
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QUOTE of the day is
...there are girls here...!
LOL

Nothing illegal is happening here. They're an American business. If you don't like it, don't buy it.

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smartphones are in their infancy, and too many people still think of them as just very fancy phones.
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So true...so very true.
JL

Microsoft tracking us - a lawsuit at hand

Story says MS is tracking WP7 users through their WP7 phones. If you have nothing to hide, don't worry. Maybe it will save your life someday.
http://gizmodo.com/5836713/lawsuit-...cking-every-windows-phone-even-if-you-opt-out

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The lawsuit is because the lady cut off the GPS settings and feels shes still being tracked by the camera app.
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Wow... I'm glad I keep mine in a pouch when I'm not using it. I'd hate for them to see me scratching me arse.

So wait she 'feels' like she's being tracked by the camera app? Is there any proof of it?

is this really surprising?
does anyone really think Microsoft values its users' privacy any more than the other big players?
that people believe these giants (el goog, MSFT, Apple - ANY business today that wants to be effective in this evolving marketing landscape) give two ****s about their users' privacy or security is comical.
get used to being monitored one way or another... it doesn't matter what search engine you use, what operating system you use, which mobile phone you have: you are being cataloged, researched and categorized with every action you take over the air. there is no way around it. that's the world we live in today, and it will only become more integral as technology continues to develop and businesses continue to seek new ways to reach their target markets.
don't mistake this for a tin foil hat post, I'm just sick of people running around acting like Google and Apple are the only companies in the world that "research" their customers via probing. they all do it. why is this shocking to anyone? take off the rose tinted spectacles, folks...

pmcqueen said:
is this really surprising?
does anyone really think Microsoft values its users' privacy any more than the other big players?
that people believe these giants (el goog, MSFT, Apple - ANY business today that wants to be effective in this evolving marketing landscape) give two ****s about their users' privacy or security is comical.
get used to being monitored one way or another... it doesn't matter what search engine you use, what operating system you use, which mobile phone you have: you are being cataloged, researched and categorized with every action you take over the air. there is no way around it. that's the world we live in today, and it will only become more integral as technology continues to develop and businesses continue to seek new ways to reach their target markets.
don't mistake this for a tin foil hat post, I'm just sick of people running around acting like Google and Apple are the only companies in the world that "research" their customers via probing. they all do it. why is this shocking to anyone? take off the rose tinted spectacles, folks...
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They would if it was Apple. Apple haters fine comb the world to find stuff to hate on Apple for. Some of them even manufacture issues with Apple so they can spew their hate and discontent.
All companies are the same. If Google was were Apple is, they would be doing the same thing. This goes for all other companies as well. Even the US government is getting into the suing business. They're suing companies and institutions right and left. It's "sue" pandemonium these days...like a carnival. I watched a "Sliders" show once, a very long time ago, where they slid into an alternate Earth were everybody was suing everybody else just for looking at someone crosseyed. Planet Earth seems to have slid right into the same episode as that Sliders one.

pmcqueen said:
I'm just sick of people running around acting like Google and Apple are the only companies in the world that "research" their customers via probing. they all do it.
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I know they do this kind of "research", and I know I'm watched everywhere everyday by cctv or whatever. But I just want to know how they do this, in what kind of conditions and by what tools. So I can make myself as best as possible.

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Which from the look of the articles it is tracking users.

Though I don't remember this properly but once Google automatically deleted a particular malware from all of it's affected android handsets without notifying them first.
In the end, this may have been for the betterment of the users. But if this is where Google sets the line, I'm against it. This is violation of privacy.
As for Microsoft, this was no different.

Did he really just say if Google was where Apple was at? Really? Last time i checked Google has passed Apple in well almost everything.

PharmCAT said:
*tin foil hat*
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Made my day +1 this is why i prefer my android

Lolol, read the comment. Atleast no one bought it. #yourtoeasytoloveMS.
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Silent Sms attacks/tracking

so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade

I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.

It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!

ishmael345 said:
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?

I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?

Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.

zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.

hungry81 said:
To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.

zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.

M_Nation said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.

Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.

Mainspring said:
forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.

LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.

Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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hungry81 said:
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent

Wow, never heard this until now

[Q] US Gov agencies switching on microphones on devices? Stoppable?

From recent new reports easily searched (my post count is not high enough to post links).
It appears that for some time now US Gov. agencies are able to activate microphones on cellular devices. While wiretapping with a warrant is certainly legal and a necessary tool for law enforcement, I cant help but feel a certain level of intrusion if people can turn my cell phone into a mobile recording device / "bug" even if I am not actively talking on it. The ramifications of cell phones allowing Gov's to turn their countries into police states is frightening.
With the level of software modification now happening with Android and iOS, is this something that can be prevented?
Do we know how this is even possible? I read one persons opinion that it might be something activated within the radio code itself as it seems to be a blackbox of various functions that has yet to be decoded (sorry for my limited knowledge on the subject)
Please lets keep the responses of "dont use your cell phone" or "you should nothing to hide in the 1st place" to a minimum.

Instead of another pointless political discussion, I'd like to see real practical suggestions and insight (not some BS like "don't do anything wrong" or "throw your phone away") for people who actually care about this. MANY people are interested, so the tendency to dismiss it repeatedly is uncalled for, no matter what you personally may think.
How about some real answers for questions like:
What is the best way to secure an Android phone and still use it normally?
What kind of apps are available to best secure your phone from spying/monitoring?
Are custom ROMs or forks in the works for this?

Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.

ShadowLea said:
Did everyone not already know that? Or were all the Americans just sticking their heads in the sand? Because we(more commonly referred to as 'the rest of the planet') certainly knew that they were spying on everyone by keeping data and remotely activating phones for over a decade...
What I don't get is why you lot are all so paranoid over it. What, are you afraid they're going to find out you prefer coffee over tea and wear hello kitty panties?
The only reason to be paranoid about being spied on by the government is if you're doing something illegal.
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Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.

ShadowLea said:
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:

magik20 said:
Because the methods used today to catch murders, thieves and terrorists will be used tomorrow to spy on and catch political opponents and those who choose to dissent against the people in power.
You live in the Netherlands, research the methods that the Nazi's used to catch their political enemies and then decide if you feel comfortable with this technology being used in the current manner.
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I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
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What I don't get is why you wasted your time posting here. If you don't agree, don't bother. :good:
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Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.

ShadowLea said:
I'm looking at the Berlin Wall right now, do you really think I do not know? Perhaps you do not get world history in primary school, but we do. As if the US political system is not already corrupt, please.
I have no idea where you are from, but if it it's USA you have no such right to speak, considering the way US society treats everyone who isn't a straight white male.
Yes, excellent idea: "If you don't agree with me, i'd rather you just don't speak at all". Very dictatorial of you.
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No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"

evilmrt said:
No, its called "take your thread-crapping act elsewhere"
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I agree , ShadowLea take your politicking crap else where...

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I suspect it would likely be embedded in the hardware.
And not easily bypassed.
That's how I'd do it.
And I have nothing to hide. But the rampant corruption and abuse of power is becoming a very serious issue.
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Modding is about to become illegal

So about ten days ago, the text of the TPP got finalised, and it's really bad for us and the rest of the Internet. Here's an excerpt taken from FFTF:
- Compel ISPs to take down websites without any sort of court order, just like SOPA. (Appendix Section I)
- Extend the US’s copyright regime to require copyrights stand for life plus 70 years, preventing anyone from using works that belong in the public domain. (Article QQ.G.6)
- Criminalize whistleblowing by extending trade secrets laws without any mandatory exemptions for whistleblowers or investigative journalists. (QQ.H.8)
- End anonymity online by forcing every domain name to be associated with a real name and address. (Article QQ.C.12)
- Make it illegal to unlock, modify, or generally tinker with a device you own. (Article QQ.G.10)
- Export the US’s broken copyright policies to the rest of the world without expanding any of the free speech protections, like fair use. (Article QQ.G.17)
The worst part is that this is just one of the TPP’s 30 chapters.

A link to do something about it: https://www.fightthetpp.org/

I didn't read anything about any of this..... And I can see carriers having some say if you got your device on a contract.... And even trying to enforce people not modify it....
But.... There's no way anyone has or will have control over what we do to a device we've paid for and own outright.
Sorry... But I smell conspiracy theory. When I own something, 100%....its mine. I can do what I please with it.
Nothing to fear here.
Edit: What I'm saying is that none of this will ever become reality. :good:

I found this article, which explains a bit on what the TPP will do.
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

While I could see this come to be. Good luck on them enforcing it. Other then locking the devices completely down they could never enforce it completely

Sure, they won't be able to control what you do to your device once you buy it. It's yours. You bought it. You can modify it to be the world's most expensive paperweight if you'd like.
But what they can do is limit whether your device can connect to their services and what it can and cannot do with those services. Want to hack your device 6 ways to Sunday? Go right ahead. But want it to be able to work on so and so's network? That's another story.
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ssenemosewa said:
Sure, they won't be able to control what you do to your device once you buy it. It's yours. You bought it. You can modify it to be the world's most expensive paperweight if you'd like.
But what they can do is limit whether your device can connect to their services and what it can and cannot do with those services. Want to hack your device 6 ways to Sunday? Go right ahead. But want it to be able to work on so and so's network? That's another story.
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And that is what XDA is all about.... We'll find a way.

Darth said:
And that is what XDA is all about.... We'll find a way.
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Amen to that, Brother!
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DecentM said:
So about ten days ago, the text of the TPP got finalised, and it's really bad for us and the rest of the Internet. Here's an excerpt taken from FFTF:
- Compel ISPs to take down websites without any sort of court order, just like SOPA. (Appendix Section I)
- Extend the US’s copyright regime to require copyrights stand for life plus 70 years, preventing anyone from using works that belong in the public domain. (Article QQ.G.6)
- Criminalize whistleblowing by extending trade secrets laws without any mandatory exemptions for whistleblowers or investigative journalists. (QQ.H.8)
- End anonymity online by forcing every domain name to be associated with a real name and address. (Article QQ.C.12)
- Make it illegal to unlock, modify, or generally tinker with a device you own. (Article QQ.G.10)
- Export the US’s broken copyright policies to the rest of the world without expanding any of the free speech protections, like fair use. (Article QQ.G.17)
The worst part is that this is just one of the TPP’s 30 chapters.
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this sounds like the premises for a super villain movie.. if this is a thing, why isn't it all over the news?

soraxd said:
if this is a thing, why isn't it all over the news?
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Because American media outlets and the people trying to push this bill don't want you to know about it. Look at every screwed up bill that's passed in the last few years and what was going on around that timeframe. Obama's administration passed a law saying a citizen could be held indefinitely and without cause at any sign of a respiratory illness, did you see that on the news? No. The media spotlight was focused on doctors in Africa catching Ebola. The Brady Bill was re-enacted, was that covered? Nope, instead they focused on Gay Marriage.
They aren't stupid, they know that if they give Americans a hot-button topic to argue over (gay marriage, immigration, etc...) they can sneak things through congress without so much as a whimper from the public. Add to that the fact that they use these "outbreaks" and media sensations to scare people and we literally ask them to remove our rights.
The news, like science, is bought and paid for by these outlets, industries and governments. They are all in bed with each other and it's all for monetary gain. Example: The FDA gets millions of dollars in "fees" with the submission of every new medicine/vaccine that is submitted. There is no fee associated with the submission of these items. Curiously though, they get pushed through. Big Pharm has a chicken pox vaccine, it lasts 10 years (approximately) and is in the list of required shots (which has more than quadrupled in length in the last decade). Chicken pox is now being touted as some horrible, deadly disease. It's a childhood disease that by itself doesn't cause any real harm, and grants you life-long immunity if you catch it, so why is a vaccine needed, especially if it only lasts for 10 years? Answer - $$$
Take measles for example. An "outbreak" of 60 cases, not a single one fatal, and your right to religious exemption from vaccination is taken away. This is so unconstitutional it's not even funny. Your basic human rights and the rights that were the founding premise of this country are being taken away from you daily, yet people question if this would ever come to fruition because it's not on the news...
People only get to see and know what they want them to see and know. So someone with money and a bone to pick decides that modding your phone is not good for their agenda, guess what? It'll be illegal and you probably won't know until it's too late and you're being penalized for it.

So true
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