[Petition] Keep Unlocking Phones Legal - Thunderbolt General

Since unlocking phones (for carrier use) becomes illegal starting tomorrow, we have made a petition to fight back.
Please sign!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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RBarnett09 said:
Since unlocking phones (for carrier use) becomes illegal starting tomorrow, we have made a petition to fight back.
Please sign!
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/make-unlocking-cell-phones-legal/1g9KhZG7
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You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.

Milimbar said:
You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
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Indeed. I'm sure the White House is getting a nice chuckle from this petition.
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Here's the thing about what people may see as a pointless petition.
They are all pointless until created. No matter if this will make any difference or not.
Petitions aren't meant to go by guidelines or by what the current law or cycle of voting represents.
In fact, if we all just sat idly by while things happen around us and shrug our shoulders because well, that's what the law is and it doesn't come back up for discussion for 10 years, so let's just leave it as is, even though the majority of us are against it.
I guess my point is, no matter how small of a change or difference one person may think they will be or make, unless they start somewhere, they may as well roll over like everyone else.
Change starts with YOU!
(or you can accept things for the way they are dealt to you)

Santod is right. If enough people sign it will get attention and maybe it will be enough that it doesn't have to wait for three years before it is brought up again. If we keep allowing the cell companies to control how we use our property then eventually we won't have any control of it. This kind of crap needs to stop somewhere. This idea of not allowing us to decide if we want to stay with a specific carrier is bs. Would you like it if a bank said you had to remain in the same property, exactly the way it was originally purchased for the duration of the contract? Probably not.
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Nexus 4, 7, 10 ... ++ More Nexus is the way to go now. Besides, I font see the point in an ithing or win8.
A reason to get one now and get away from VZW, I say.
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Why is this crap being posted in forums for Verizon phones? It simply doesn't apply - VZW has never carrier locked their phones.

mike.s said:
Why is this crap being posted in forums for Verizon phones? It simply doesn't apply - VZW has never carrier locked their phones.
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Apparently you don't understand.
It will be illegal for us to unlock our phones to use them how we want to... HTC or not.
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This law affects all carriers. The only way around it is to get your carrier to unlock the phone for you or buy an unlocked phone from the start. They are only making it illegal to unlock your phone without their knowledge or permission.
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disconnecktie said:
This law affects all carriers. The only way around it is to get your carrier to unlock the phone for you or buy an unlocked phone from the start. They are only making it illegal to unlock your phone without their knowledge or permission.
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This definitely won't stop most people.
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RBarnett09 said:
This definitely won't stop most people.
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A $500,000 fine and 5 years in prison sounds like a pretty good deterrent to keep most people from doing though. I think they are mostly targeting the businesses that are capitalizing on something that the carrier will do for people most of the time. I think part of the problem is that people get a phone on contract and since the phone is subsidized when they don't pay their bill the phone company eats the cost of the phone. If they are able to unlock the phone and use it somewhere else they basically get a free phone.
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Plus from what I heard on the radio if you own a phone already then you can unlock it and flash it to whatever carrier. Online petitions are a joke. As you can't prove the people existence because of of no signatures. I could type out ten thousand names names easily. You want change? You want action? Then call your congressmen or woman and voice your dislikes. Have your family,friends,coworkers, and so on to call. Tell them you are not happy and unless you see action you will vote for the other guy. Keep calling and if enough people calls something might be done.
Or you could go the easier route and just buy a google branded phone and not have to worry about the stupid law lol. It is funny people don't seem to care about stuff till its to late.
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disconnecktie said:
A $500,000 fine and 5 years in prison sounds like a pretty good deterrent to keep most people from doing though. I think they are mostly targeting the businesses that are capitalizing on something that the carrier will do for people most of the time. I think part of the problem is that people get a phone on contract and since the phone is subsidized when they don't pay their bill the phone company eats the cost of the phone. If they are able to unlock the phone and use it somewhere else they basically get a free phone.
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Holy....
I was unaware of that kind of punishment. That's insane.
How would someone get caught unlocking a phone though?
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I'm pretty sure that the esn will tell the new carrier where the phone came from. Plus you would have to know because unlocking it is probably different depending on which carrier you are coming from. There was a law passed recently that makes it illegal to take a phone with a bad esn and unlock it to use with a different carrier as well. The major carriers also have the ability to make a bad esn phone no good across most of the other carriers too.
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Milimbar said:
You can do nothing with a petition like this now, this is scheduled to be looked at every 3 years, in 3 years you will have a chance to be heard and get this changed, however, we are stuck with this for at least 3 years.
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tm24fan8 said:
Indeed. I'm sure the White House is getting a nice chuckle from this petition.
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Who's laughing now!!!??
As I said before, it all starts with us guys.... :good:
Official White House Response to Make Unlocking Cell Phones Legal.
(NOTE: This is in regards to carrier unlocking, not bootloader unlocking)
Source: LINK
It's Time to Legalize Cell Phone Unlocking
By R. David Edelman
Thank you for sharing your views on cell phone unlocking with us through your petition on our We the People platform.
Last week the White House brought together experts from across government who work on telecommunications, technology, and copyright policy, and we're pleased to offer our response.
The White House agrees with the 114,000+ of you who believe that consumers should be able to unlock their cell phones without risking criminal or other penalties.
In fact, we believe the same principle should also apply to tablets, which are increasingly similar to smart phones. And if you have paid for your mobile device, and aren't bound by a service agreement or other obligation, you should be able to use it on another network.
It's common sense, crucial for protecting consumer choice, and important for ensuring we continue to have the vibrant, competitive wireless market that delivers innovative products and solid service to meet consumers' needs.
This is particularly important for secondhand or other mobile devices that you might buy or receive as a gift, and want to activate on the wireless network that meets your needs -- even if it isn't the one on which the device was first activated.
All consumers deserve that flexibility.
The White House's position detailed in this response builds on some critical thinking done by the President's chief advisory Agency on these matters:
the Department of Commerce's National Telecommunications and Information Administration (NTIA).
For more context and information on the technical aspects of the issue, you can review the NTIA's letter to the Library of Congress' Register of Copyrights (.pdf),
voicing strong support for maintaining the previous exception to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) for cell phone carrier unlocking.
Contrary to the NTIA's recommendation, the Librarian of Congress ruled that phones purchased after January of this year would no longer be exempted from the DMCA.
The law gives the Librarian the authority to establish or eliminate exceptions -- and we respect that process.
But it is also worth noting the statement the Library of Congress released today on the broader public policy concerns of the issue.
Clearly the White House and Library of Congress agree that the DMCA exception process is a rigid and imperfect fit for this telecommunications issue, and we want to ensure this particular challenge for mobile competition is solved.
So where do we go from here?
The Obama Administration would support a range of approaches to addressing this issue, including narrow legislative fixes in the telecommunications space that make it clear:
neither criminal law nor technological locks should prevent consumers from switching carriers when they are no longer bound by a service agreement or other obligation.
We also believe the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), with its responsibility for promoting mobile competition and innovation, has an important role to play here.
FCC Chairman Genachowski today voiced his concern about mobile phone unlocking (.pdf), and to complement his efforts, NTIA will be formally engaging with the FCC as it addresses this urgent issue.
Finally, we would encourage mobile providers to consider what steps they as businesses can take to ensure that their customers can fully reap the benefits and features they expect when purchasing their devices.
We look forward to continuing to work with Congress, the wireless and mobile phone industries, and most importantly you -- the everyday consumers who stand to benefit from this greater flexibility -- to ensure our laws keep pace with changing technology, protect the economic competitiveness that has led to such innovation in this space, and offer consumers the flexibility and freedoms they deserve.
R. David Edelman is Senior Advisor for Internet, Innovation, & Privacy
Tell us what you think about this response and We the People.

Alright fair enough, good job guys!
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Translation they agree but not really going to do much about it lol.
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santod040 said:
Who's laughing now!!!??
As I said before, it all starts with us guys.... :good:
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I signed it also, and just got my e-mail like 35min ago.
I don't know if it will change anything short term, but if nothing else.... at least next time it comes up for review it should turn out more favorably. Hopefully they will step in and push through some intermediate legislation before the next scheduled review though.

Milimbar said:
I signed it also, and just got my e-mail like 35min ago.
I don't know if it will change anything short term, but if nothing else.... at least next time it comes up for review it should turn out more favorably. Hopefully they will step in and push through some intermediate legislation before the next scheduled review though.
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That would be nice, but would require Congress to stop bickering for more than a minute...
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I saw this and thought the same, what's this really going to accomplish? And then the posted article where it apparently did accomplish something. Seems like that's not always the case... But in general, I guess it's not a ton of effort to click in and sign an online petition, so if my one vote does almost-nothing-but-still-something, I guess the return on investment is slightly higher than what I get for typing a single forum post.
Although, if the law is meant to keep people from ditching their carrier and not paying their bill and having the phone "for free", there is the spot they're going to get on their credit when it goes to collections. Getting denied for credit or getting a worse rate for the next 7 years doesn't seem completely devoid of consequence.

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Alert: Rooting to become illegal activity.

Don't know what happened... but my alert was put into Q&A even though it's not a question.
Sorry, for the cross-posting... but this issue is very important to all of us who care about rooting/modifying our devices. We may soon lose the legal exemption to do that.
UPDATE: I see that xda-dev has an article in its main portal page...
Bumping this until Feb. 10...
when no one will be able to affect the situation...
TRIED the website but it must be having some issues. Thanks Geek for the heads up. What a freakin joke. Utter and total BS. Imagine if the government tried to tell people that they couldn't modify there car? I'll try to find a better link to the petition.
Before everyone gets hyped:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
So hopefully it gets renewed.
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Before everyone gets hyped:
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Too late. Getting hyped is a prerequisite for being a member of xda-dev.
finch8423 said:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
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I agree that it is complicated. But, according to EFF: Some device manufacturers claim that jailbreaking violates Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which carries stiff penalties.​there is already such a law. Granted, there has not been a court case, yet, testing that law. But it is on the books.
finch8423 said:
As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
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Well, you may wish to read, specifically, about Section 1201 of the DMCA. It is false comfort to think that a law does not exist... it does exist. The wikipedia article on the DMCA has a good discussion. If you are more of a legal geek, then the government provides congressional report 105-796 and a summary on the internet. For information on how institutions of learning can be affected, EDUCAUSE addresses the issue on its site.
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So hopefully it gets renewed.
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The whole point of creating this thread. To help ensure that it is renewed.
A bull****, nothing more. It is my property and I do with it what I want. They can only affect my warrenty. They can only do something if its a carrier branded and you don't buy for full price . Then device is still a carrier property
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This country is already broke (not only financially, but also morally -- but that's an entirely different discussion), how will they go about actually enforcing this law? I know that phone companies can gather a lot of information about your phone remotely, but can they tell whether your phone is rooted or not?
I'm not trying to be pompous, so I apologize if I came off like that. I completely agree with you.
They can claim all they want. It's important for everyone to know that if it comes to that, there is no specific law addressing this, only claims under the DMCA.
In my legal opinion, root privileges can hardly be misconstrued as copyright infringement. It's mainly Macintosh that is pushing this though- they claim that jailbreaking is illegal because of the close-source nature of their products (It's also ironic to note that many of the working conditions of their factories would be considered illegal in every country that they sell their products in).
Well macintosh and... recently, ASUS, right? and one other... last summer, but I can't recall who right now.
Let's just say... for sake of argument that carriers sign agreements with manufacturerers (when, in fact, they're different companies)... that require them to deny service to "rooted" devices based on the law... or maybe not the law... but their collective interpretation of the law...
Honestly...
Ndaa, sopa, pipa... Now this???
Dammit my m4 is getting put to use soon isn't it??
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^ add ACTA to that list.
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You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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gefilus said:
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
Watch profile and will see where I live
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airfluip1 said:
You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
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Are you suggesting that EFF doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?
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Maybe. Just ask Google.
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We might not be talking apples to apples...
I know apple has fought their phones being jail broken. But isn't it the carriers who really have the problem with it? They want to make you buy their network specific phone from them?
They can only put this law if there is one only on devices which are carrier branded. On unlocked or unbramded devices they can't do the ****. It is in my proparty and take you hand of from it, I can do with my device what I want
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lumin30 said:
Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
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Mostly and almost the same like in pictures. And ye waterfall is or mark
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Keep Unlocking Phones Legal

Hey guys and gals, there's a petition floating around that everyone needs to sign. If you value the ability to unlock your device, you need to sign this. Let your voice be heard and keep this AOSP. XDA is a strong vast community of devs and noons alike. Don't let them take our rights.
http://www.androidauthority.com/mobile-phone-unlocking-petition-150925/
Thank You all very much:laugh:
I SIGNED
jbats said:
Hey guys and gals, there's a petition floating around that everyone needs to sign. If you value the ability to unlock your device, you need to sign this. Let your voice be heard and keep this AOSP. XDA is a strong vast community of devs and noons alike. Don't let them take our rights.
http://www.androidauthority.com/mobile-phone-unlocking-petition-150925/
Thank You all very much:laugh:
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i signed it man hope it helps we need to get this out more on different forums and such anything i can do to help
soldier1184 said:
i signed it man hope it helps we need to get this out more on different forums and such anything i can do to help
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Repost to your social networks, start other threads, pass it along. If you don't voice your opinion, you can't moan when they get locked down. Look what Verizon just did with there recent update. Luckily we have Adam Outler in our arsenal of devs.
jbats said:
Hey guys and gals, there's a petition floating around that everyone needs to sign. If you value the ability to unlock your device, you need to sign this. Let your voice be heard and keep this AOSP. XDA is a strong vast community of devs and noons alike. Don't let them take our rights.
http://www.androidauthority.com/mobile-phone-unlocking-petition-150925/
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Signed it a few minutes ago
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I just wanted to give my two cents on this issue. I'm not a nay-sayer and am not trying to say you shouldn't take action if you believe action is warranted.
My opinions on this issue are as follows.
1. Has anyone read any of the official 'white house' responses from other petitions? It's like they pay someone (not sure who but I would bet they make minimum wage) to give a 2 or 3 line comment to whatever you submit. So say this petition gets an additional 82,000 signatures... what's the official response going to be? "Thank you for your concern in this matter, however, the administration's official position is that modifying an item that you do not fully own adds a burden and cost to businesses when those modifications result in failure of said item. We will continue to evaluate this issue" or some BS.
2. This law isn't enforceable. You can't physically 'go after' people for their cell phones and prosecute them. There's just no manpower to do so. Next time you get pulled over for speeding is the cop going to see your cell phone in your car and ask to see it? How's he/she going to know it's unlocked without permission (or unlocked at all)?
3. Let this law stand... see where it goes... Imagine the fallout if carriers started sending warning texts to people who have supposedly illegally unlocked their phones! Imagine the lawsuits/bad publicity that would spawn against carriers for monitoring people's cell phones without their consent or knowledge! I guarantee there's nothing in anyone's cell contracts that would allow T-Mobile, AT&T, etc. the right to track and monitor usage of the device throughout the duration of your contract to insure the device isn't being tampered with or unlocked.
4. This is just political figures throwing their campaign contributor 'a bone' and another sad sign of just how bloated government is here. This law is no different than some of the other ridiculous digital copyright crap being spewed out.
5. Once your contract is up you are allowed to do whatever you wish to your phone. You can also get permission to have your device unlocked from your carrier at any time. I know of a few people that travel abroad and for them it was as simple as asking to be able to use another sim when they travel. If you have a good long standing account with your carrier they are very likely to comply (else they risk losing business).
None of this applies to flashing custom roms or the like (which will always void any warranty, etc.), just with carrier unlocking the phone.
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None of this applies to flashing custom roms or the like (which will always void any warranty, etc.), just with carrier unlocking the phone.
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Your right and I totally agree. I just recently got an i777 unlocked by simply calling the carrier(ATnT) and requesting it so I could use it with a prepaid network. The account was in good standing, all previous balance had been paid off.Voila
Trick was driving 45 mins to get a sim, because I told the carrier it was my phone(idiot), but my friend was happy.

Petition To Repeal Unlock Law

As most of you are aware it has recently become illegal to unlock carrier branded phones purchased after January 26th of this year. This is a petition to the White House to repeal or amend that decision. There are three days left to garner another 1500 signatures. Please take the time to create an account and sign this petition.
http://wh.gov/yA9n
Thanks
I've already signed it for myself,and for my wife. Now, if only my 3 friends on Facebook and g+ would follow the link I posted back when I signed, we'd only need 1497 more signatures. Lol
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bps119 said:
I've already signed it for myself,and for my wife. Now, if only my 3 friends on Facebook and g+ would follow the link I posted back when I signed, we'd only need 1497 more signatures. Lol
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It's all good. Just hit 105,500. So at least the government will take a look at it. 115,000 wouldn't hurt though.
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/02/white-house-must-answer-for-ban-on-unlocking-cell-phones/
"The White House is going to have to provide answers on whether it thinks cell phone unlocking should be illegal. Unlocking cell phones unties them from specific carriers, allowing users to switch to a different cellular provider. This was legal until recently, when the Library of Congress decided not to renew the Digital Millennium Copyright Act exemption for unlocking.
Outraged cell phone users filed a White House Petition demanding the reversal of this policy. The petition was filed just days after the White House said petitions would only get an answer if they received 100,000 signatures within a month, rather than the previous threshold of 25,000.
The cell phone unlock petition passed 100,000 today, two days before the deadline. You can still sign it if you wish."
I sure I am not alone in feeling as though this is absolutely unacceptable, and hope the unlock law gets changed. It is understandable for the courts to try to help prevent or at least try to stop piracy and other unlawful acts, and to try to protect the carriers from exploitation, but for the very act of performing an unlock to now be a punishable crime is just terrible. I commend all of you who are part of the petition, or just against ethis new ruling and trying to get it changed. Good luck to you all in this endeavor.
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While I agree that it should be changed, I think the law is more aimed at less than reputable carriers (Cricket comes to mind in Phoenix, at least) that will unlock and flash any phone to their network, regardless of its status (stolen, etc).
For that reason alone I would support the law, but only if it included a provision for allowing the legal owner to unlock the phone at his/her discretion.
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For anyone who hasn't seen yet:
http://www.androidcentral.com/white...uld-be-legal?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
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For anyone who hasn't seen yet:
http://www.androidcentral.com/white...uld-be-legal?utm_source=ac&utm_medium=twitter
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Sweet, so only a couple of years of bureaucratic crap to jump through and we got it!
There's no way in hell they're taking away those rights. I love modifying and adding meaningless crap to my phone, changing its values and maxing/undering whatever I want. It's an addiction really. It's no different than buying a car at a dealership. Are there laws and rules to what you can and can't add to your car? Sure, but none that really matter. If I was to add a body kit to the new lancer I'm buying this year and the government says "Uhhhh yeah, you can't do that because (insert meaningless reason here) and (more crap here)" then I'm going to tell'em to suck it :angel:
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There's no way in hell they're taking away those rights. I love modifying and adding meaningless crap to my phone, changing its values and maxing/undering whatever I want. It's an addiction really. It's no different than buying a car at a dealership. Are there laws and rules to what you can and can't add to your car? Sure, but none that really matter. If I was to add a body kit to the new lancer I'm buying this year and the government says "Uhhhh yeah, you can't do that because (insert meaningless reason here) and (more crap here)" then I'm going to tell'em to suck it :angel:
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This has nothing to do with rooting glad to see you're uninformed.
It's about carrier unlocking which from a business perspective i can understand but i don't agree with it.
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Google, NSA and security

With the not so shocking revelation that Google (along with just about every other major hardware/software company) is in bed with the NSA and providing back doors and/or other entry points into their systems, is there really any such thing as a "personal" phone?
I mean, who's to say how far Samsung (and other device manufacturers) have gone to provide access to the government along with the O/S developer (Google) and the service providers who've all been outed as being complicit as well.
I'm sure that it's an unlikely possibility due to the sheer number of lines of code, can we really put much faith in the fact that are our favorite custom ROMs any more secure?
I would hope that they are, but I think that the battle was fought and won a decade ago and no one outside of the government and most corporate board rooms even knew the first shots had been fired, let alone the white flag had been raised, accepted and surrender terms had been agreed upon.
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is there really any such thing as a "personal" phone?..
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The communication system as a whole is not secure so in essence, no.
I mean, who's to say how far...
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Only you.
No tinfoil hats here but you should consider security your responsibility not anyone else's.
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[PETITION] Petition to Sprint to Allow Users to Unlock the Bootloader of the LG V20

https://www.change.org/p/sprint-unl...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
Let's make ourselves heard. If we can get enough people to stand up and say this needs to happen, hopefully we can make it happen guys! I'll be editing this post with status updates!
pro_granade said:
https://www.change.org/p/sprint-unl...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
Let's make ourselves heard. If we can get enough people to stand up and say this needs to happen, hopefully we can make it happen guys! I'll be editing this post with status updates!
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Hate to be all negative and what not but this will most likely not work. I've never seen a petition to Lg ever work. Ever.
Been around since droid x days, this never works
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Might work if you petition sprint and get more customers. They're bleeding customers like a Komodo dragon bit them and they're still not making friendly moves for customers. Just desperate ones.
What you guys don't understand is that the modding community is a very small portion of their customer base. Quite frankly, they don't care about us. They care about the majority of their customer's phone security and the expense of dealing with nimrods who mess up their phones. Google itself is getting into the act with making phones harder to root.
I've never seen one of these petitions have any effect on whether a phone can be unlocked, but go ahead and try.
Sprint does not care about you or what you want.
If they did, you wouldn't need a petition to begin with.
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https://www.change.org/p/sprint-unl...source=share_for_starters&utm_medium=copyLink
Let's make ourselves heard. If we can get enough people to stand up and say this needs to happen, hopefully we can make it happen guys! I'll be editing this post with status updates!
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I signed this is BS that its locked
You're going to get 10 total signatures. Lol jk with you. I hardly ever see Sprint users. It's kind of rare. 10 years ago was a different story.
- typed from my freshly rooted V20 on America's most awesome Network , T-Mobile , enjoying my CAT12 download speeds at 600MBPS. O what? It's Tuesday? Free movie rental and ice cream? Don't mind if I do.
Totally just messing around. My phone is still stock. The option to tinker is always welcomed. Come join #TeamMagenta.
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Jooosty said:
You're going to get 10 total signatures. Lol jk with you. I hardly ever see Sprint users. It's kind of rare. 10 years ago was a different story.
- typed from my freshly rooted V20 on America's most awesome Network , T-Mobile , enjoying my CAT12 download speeds at 600MBPS. O what? It's Tuesday? Free movie rental and ice cream? Don't mind if I do.
Totally just messing around. My phone is still stock. The option to tinker is always welcomed. Come join #TeamMagenta.
Sent from my LG-H918 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Sorry, some people don't have the option of switching to T-Mobile.
douger1957 said:
What you guys don't understand is that the modding community is a very small portion of their customer base. Quite frankly, they don't care about us. They care about the majority of their customer's phone security and the expense of dealing with nimrods who mess up their phones. Google itself is getting into the act with making phones harder to root.
I've never seen one of these petitions have any effect on whether a phone can be unlocked, but go ahead and try.
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This.
De_Falt said:
Sorry, some people don't have the option of switching to T-Mobile.
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The LG-H996 is unlocked to all US carriers, and can be bootloader unlocked, buy that one
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Unlimited 4g hotspot solved one of the major reasons I root. The main reason I left Sprint for T mobile. If you can leave, leave. If you can't, oh well.
ZDeuce2 said:
The LG-H996 is unlocked to all US carriers, and can be bootloader unlocked, buy that one
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THIS WILL NOT WORK!!!
Sorry for the caps...but really. The IMEI/MEID range for the 996 is completely wrong, the phone will not even activate as it isn't whitelisted and good luck getting Sprint to add it. And then there's the problem of the radio support not being correct.
Just because a phone is carrier unlocked in no way means it will just work. Doubly so when the phone in question has rainbow SKUs per region and carrier.
Jooosty said:
You're going to get 10 total signatures. Lol jk with you. I hardly ever see Sprint users. It's kind of rare. 10 years ago was a different story.
- typed from my freshly rooted V20 on America's most awesome Network , T-Mobile , enjoying my CAT12 download speeds at 600MBPS. O what? It's Tuesday? Free movie rental and ice cream? Don't mind if I do.
Totally just messing around. My phone is still stock. The option to tinker is always welcomed. Come join #TeamMagenta.
Sent from my LG-H918 using XDA-Developers mobile app
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Only "most awesome network"...depending on where you live. LOL. There's zero TMo coverage in my entire state.
snarfies said:
Sprint does not care about you or what you want.
If they did, you wouldn't need a petition to begin with.
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No ISP or telecom does in the USA. They all treat you like cattle to be herded and milked for all you're worth.
Skripka said:
THIS WILL NOT WORK!!!
Sorry for the caps...but really. The IMEI/MEID range for the 996 is completely wrong, the phone will not even activate as it isn't whitelisted and good luck getting Sprint to add it. And then there's the problem of the radio support not being correct.
Just because a phone is carrier unlocked in no way means it will just work. Doubly so when the phone in question has rainbow SKUs per region and carrier.
Only "most awesome network"...depending on where you live. LOL. There's zero TMo coverage in my entire state.
No ISP or telecom does in the USA. They all treat you like cattle to be herded and milked for all you're worth.
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Doubly so if it's CDMA or one of China's carriers. You might run into a problem there unless you have some lte bands capable. Afaik, all lte bands fall under the gsm umbrella so at worst it might be possible lte works, but I'm pretty sure sprint as mentioned is an exception and one of the reasons they're bleeding customers but I seriously doubt this is one of the worst reasons.
I will be leaving Sprint Once my contract expires. I am sick of this non-sense with Sprint.
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jamice4u said:
I will be leaving Sprint Once my contract expires. I am sick of this non-sense with Sprint.
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They all pull nonsense...those like TMo that don;t, well good luck finding towers..
I can tell you that this did not work with Samsung and t-mobile. I doubt it will work with Sprint and LG. No harm in trying though.
douger1957 said:
What you guys don't understand is that the modding community is a very small portion of their customer base.
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This is very true. However....
Quite frankly, they don't care about us.
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This isn't the whole story. Reviewers are often enthusiasts and look to XDA. Individual purchasers often look to their techie friends, who are often xda members. So they'd like to make us happy - we're opinion leaders for many purchasers. However....
They care about the majority of their customer's phone security and the expense of dealing with nimrods who mess up their phones. Google itself is getting into the act with making phones harder to root.
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They do a cost/benefit. If the phones aren't secure they can't do things like run secure pay services or sell to corporate users. Dealing with users who brick the phone and then return it is also expensive. We're lucky that some services, like T-Mo are willing to open the door a tiny bit. Changing corporate policy for Verizon or Sprint will be hard I suspect.
So give us developer edition phones. Some of us don't care about security. And we definitely cam have our cake and eat it too. The mod community fuels a lot of innovation. And fixes for lazy programmers. Plus we are a big force to contend with sometimes when friends look at the what phone the nerd has. Oh look. Free tech support. But aside from financial things like payment services and wireless pay services, developer phones support the need for speed. I mean tweakers. Lol. I'd gladly give up Knox, encryptiom, enterprise security for an unlockable bootloader. We can still have a secure phone. Just if it falls into the wrong hands they can have free reign over your phone. Surprisingly my phone is always in earshot of me. Nd when it's not, it's even closer. In my pocket or hand. Plenty of security there. And xda finds a lot of exploits that get plugged making phones more secure. I'd gladly pay a small premium for developers edition. And xda. Unintentionally makimg phones more secure for almost 10 years.

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