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Interesting - Security issue on most Androids (2.3.3 and under)

Just read this.. figured I'd share. Looks like it's getting fixed.. Nothing more to see.
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/18/technology/android_security/index.htm?hpt=T2

nice hope they roll out the fix for our damned phones as well.

Good thing we have .4 available to use

It's really a non-issue. Basically someone with a packet sniffer can see some information as it's synced with Google. Big deal. They can do that with any OS its just most OS's don't sync that information to the cloud.
Big deal. All they have to do is encrypt the data on the phone before it sends it out. 2.3.4 already corrects the issue.

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Big deal. All they have to do is encrypt the data on the phone before it sends it out. 2.3.4 already corrects the issue.
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Not a big deal for current Android phones (and their users) that won't be receiving that 2.3.4 update?..

S0NiX0928 said:
Not a big deal for current Android phones (and their users) that won't be receiving that 2.3.4 update?..
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Its called marketing..... They "scare" people into buying the newest of the new.... damn communists
Let alone its coming from cnn... What a creditable non biast truthful news site
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nate420 said:
Its called marketing..... They "scare" people into buying the newest of the new.... damn communists
Let alone its coming from cnn... What a creditable non biast truthful news site
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Well, for my own sake I really couldn't care less... If the evils of the world want your privacy they could get it whether you liked it or not. I choose to think my life really isn't that important in the grand scheme of things lol. However, I will say I should've checked the sources because as with CNN, and all the other corporate lapdog news outlets, they aren't worth your time in a quest for real, truly important news. Typically all the mainstream outlets generate is shock and awe material, or seek it if you will. They either hype the fearful & devastation or ignore the stuff that would otherwise get them sued by true the criminals to humanity: corporations. We are in a whistle-blower-beware sorta society right now... You either are going to get killed or defamed for speaking out these days...
Wow, ending the rant there, sorry.

Kinda surprised at the attitude regarding the crappy google software. I guess some do not care if their personal info is stolen and used in nefarious ways.
This is Google we are talking about. Not exactly a fine upstanding corporate citizen. They have been stealing info for years. They helped China round up protesters before the Olympics. They will do or say anything to make a buck.
The fact that their software is so buggy and compromising is hardly surprising. People just need to be aware of the type of company they are and be prepared to have anything on their phone stolen and used against them.
It is what it is. I have accepted who they are and I am carefull about what I use my phone for.
Android smartphones face data breach threat
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/905bb4d6-813e-11e0-9360-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz1Mo0FZQyv
Owners of Android smartphones are being warned to avoid public WiFi networks after researchers found a security flaw that could affect the vast majority of devices based on Google’s software.
A trio of researchers at Ulm University in Germany found that it was “quite easy” for hackers to intercept data from Google’s photo-sharing, calendar and contacts applications, as well as potentially other Google services such as Gmail, using a flaw that affects 99 per cent of all Android devices.
The attack works when unsecured wireless access points that imitate public WiFi hot spots that the phone has accessed before – such as a coffee shop chain – capture an authentication token.
That token can then be used by attackers to access and modify personal data in Picasa, Google’s photo site, Calendar and Contacts. Business customers using Google apps on Android are not affected by the weakness because all traffic is encrypted by default.
“The implications of this vulnerability reach from disclosure to loss of personal information for the Calendar data,” said the Ulm researchers in a posting on their website.
“Beyond the mere stealing of such information, an adversary could perform subtle changes without the user noticing. For example, an adversary could change the stored e-mail address of the victim’s boss or business partners hoping to receive sensitive or confidential material pertaining to their business.”
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jcbofkc said:
Kinda surprised at the attitude regarding the crappy google software. I guess some do not care if their personal info is stolen and used in nefarious ways.
This is Google we are talking about. Not exactly a fine upstanding corporate citizen. They have been stealing info for years. They helped China round up protesters before the Olympics. They will do or say anything to make a buck.
The fact that their software is so buggy and compromising is hardly surprising. People just need to be aware of the type of company they are and be prepared to have anything on their phone stolen and used against them.
It is what it is. I have accepted who they are and I am carefull about what I use my phone for.
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I agree. It may not be a big deal to the typical user who is txting his girlfriend and emailing his mom.. but a subjective view of this doesn't make it a minor thing all of a sudden.
I have watched google grow ever since the dot com days. I've been an avid user of their products. There has been an obvious directional move by google for those that pay close attention.. They have gone from user/community focused.. and now they have intermixed that with a focus of business .. no different than any other company pleasing the shareholders..
For anyone to think for one minute that google is a friend that can be trusted with your private data, you better get your head out of the sand and take a harder look. They are a business trying to make money. They are not a friend who is trying to serve you and look out for your best interest. They may make it appear so. They may say so.. in order for us to think so.. But I guarantee you that in the midst of a board meeting, the last thing uttered out of their mouth is anything about servicing you and looking out for your best interest. Sure, they may make it appear like that.. .but the reason why they make it appear like that? So they don't lose you as a customer and they can gain customers. Yes, they must make a good product that pleases a certain group of society. But what is the root? To be your friend and buddy?They must maintain good customer service or you will not use their service or leave. <-- The root of that mentality = $$$$$$$.
I played the game of business for many years during the dot com days. I sat in many meetings. Yes, that's how it works. "Let's do x, y, and z.. to increase our bottom line, bring upon more customers, etc.. Then we can explain it to the employees and the customers in x, y, and z manner as to why it is good for them." <-- That's business. What we see is not the "root" of their behavior. Deception at its finest.

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"Eckhart says Carrier IQ's software, designed to monitor the performance of a cell phone on a network, is a "rootkit," spying on unsuspecting users. Carrier IQ says it is not."
"While we look at many aspects of a device’s performance, we are counting and summarizing performance, not recording keystrokes or providing tracking tools," the company said in a recent statement. We've contacted Carrier IQ for more information.
I even made a video to let my subscribers know what he had done for the Android and XDA community, great find thanks to him.

heplful video helped me remove that crap from my htc. Treve rules

BaT420 said:
heplful video helped me remove that crap from my htc. Treve rules
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They(CIQ) wanted a media storm, surfed the web and there it was.

Hmm, seems they didn't get it, a rootkit is something that hides from the user by running in a low level beyound the operating system, this does not imply any malicious intentions yet, so it definitely is. Thing is, they already stated that it does in fact log all phone connections and SMS (not the actual content they say), what apps are running on the phone and how much they utilize the cpu and even more, which i consider malitious personally, and send the informations to your carrier who should have those informations anyway except the app stuff. They say they collect this information to see if a disconnect happens due to a faulty cell tower to improve their network, but they should be able to get all this information's from their cell towers as well. Also they claim that they collect that app info to know what is causing battery drain on your device, but i think this should be handled in a different, more privacy respecting way.
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Jeeze I'm glad I run a custom rom and a custom kernel the day I got my phone. Gives my the shivers knowing that my carrier has that info. This would totally suck for federal agencies that use these CIQ infected devices.

Why is anyone the slightest little bit surprised?
This is an OS created by Google, a company that exists to collect data on you. By definition the more it invades your privacy, the better it is accomplishing its job description.
Chrome is growing in installations every day. This is a browser that exists to collect your data. Everything you type or click on while in that browser gets processed through Google's servers.
What do you think is going to happen when google comes out with a "free", stable, OS for pc's? How much of your activity do you think they'll be monitoring?
Google and Facebook are waging a war right now to see who becomes "big brother" through controlling your access to the internet. Wake up and smell the "long game" running.
Yes, I know CIQ is not a Google product.

Someone just turned derp up to 11

mid_life_crisis said:
Why is anyone the slightest little bit surprised?
This is an OS created by Google, a company that exists to collect data on you. By definition the more it invades your privacy, the better it is accomplishing its job description.
Chrome is growing in installations every day. This is a browser that exists to collect your data. Everything you type or click on while in that browser gets processed through Google's servers.
What do you think is going to happen when google comes out with a "free", stable, OS for pc's? How much of your activity do you think they'll be monitoring?
Google and Facebook are waging a war right now to see who becomes "big brother" through controlling your access to the internet. Wake up and smell the "long game" running.
Yes, I know CIQ is not a Google product.
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Its the carriers that put this software on not Google. My nexus s has no sign of it. I'm custom rom since day one but have a nandroid of my stock image and nothing there.
Also your last statement is a bit tin foil hat isn't it?
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slimdizzy said:
Its the carriers that put this software on not Google. My nexus s has no sign of it. I'm custom rom since day one but have a nandroid of my stock image and nothing there.
Also your last statement is a bit tin foil hat isn't it?
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Not on the stock or custom roms for the Inspire either.
As for the foil hat. You think the new chip being installed on all US phones after tyebnew year so the government can force texts to your phone is only so they can send you a text? Yeah....I am not so sure about that lol

Silent Sms attacks/tracking

so apparently the German government (and other entities) have been using silent sms attacks to keep tabs on its civilians
they send a silent sms to someones phone, it dosent show up at all on their device, but it pings back Imei numbers and other info, which can be cross reffed with the operator log of the towers and used to compile an entire movement profile for an individual
now i dont know about you but as an upstanding citizen this kind of crap concerns the heck outta me.
i believe further exploration into some sort of defense against ssms attacks is in order but it is way above my paygrade

I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.

It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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Eeroz said:
I'm not so sure about this.. So the mobile OS developers, operators and the government(s) are involved in this? To me this sounds like someone is a bit paranoid.
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Not the OS developers, it purely has to do with the carriers. I remember reading a lot about similar things in the past, like pinging a phone, class 0 sms', etc. Does anyone have any related links, whether relating to the governments use or these pinging sms' in general? Sounds like an interesting topic!

ishmael345 said:
It is possible and may not be at the behest of the cell providers. Look at the things that the US government has done in this regard. The patriot act here in the states gives the government the right to view and track calls, emails, and so forth. Though it could be a false alarm it is possible. :s
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I hear you there. Look at the new chip they want in all cell phones in the US starting this year for government based SMS for terrorist threats and amber alerts. Wonder why it is gonna be connected to the GPS and phone mic?

I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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Any proof about this?

Do a search for Fema chips in cell phones and see.

zeekiz said:
I'm pretty confident that the government and to be more precise law enforcement have all right to keep track of you and your movements if they see fit.
In saying this though, most governments and once again to be more precise law enforcement will only track you and record your activities should you be doing activities that would force them to.
You aren't doing anything you shouldn't be doing are you?
PS I had to give my mobile number to an officer of the law the other day, to say the least I'm kind of paranoid that they will look through previous texts that I have sent which could be incriminating, but in saying this I'm more than happy to accept my fate should such predicament come to haunt me.
My point is that if you need to ensure you aren't being recorded or tracked, do your illegal activities on a phone which cannot be traced back to you.
Edit this image is relevant to this thread.
http://www.philzimmermann.com/images/TinFoilHatArea.jpg
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To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.

hungry81 said:
To say if you are not doing anything wrong then you should not fear having no privacy in the eyes of the government and the law is dumb. People keep information other than criminal activites private for many reasons, And that has the potential for abuse or missuse by the wrong people. For example look at American presidential campaigns Quite often they have people digging up dirt on their rivals, quite often its inconsequential dirt, but the PR firms twist it and stretch it and convert it into a duststorm of contraversy, can you imagine how much easier that type of BS would be if one political contender / group had a supporter or supporters high up with access to this information? low risk move for them, and a goldmine for their marketing firms.
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Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.

zelendel said:
Agreed. Oh and while he is at it might as well tell all those people that died protecting freedom that they died for no reason because he doesn't care about his freedom of privacy.
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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.

M_Nation said:
I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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I know that maybe a bit harsh but some of my freinds were those that stood up for our rights and freedom and for someone to say its OK for a government to remove that right rubs me wrong.
I would to if you were innocent until proven guilty but we all know that is not the case anymore. Now you are guilty until proven innocent.
I think the days of thinking that our government is out for the good of people is long over.

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I wouldn't go as far as saying died for no reason, I agree with freedom of privacy, but I also believe more or less that they would be doing this pinging for our protection.
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Oh for my "protection" well thats okay then.
So whats your stance on carrier IQ then? after all its only sending information that will make our phone using experiance better, And from a safety issue SOPA and the Australian internet filter are brilliant, Means I can not access those nasty sites that will put me at risk, Just like in China. It does not stink of isolationisim and control at all. And all no one should want ANYTHING kept private if they are not breaking the law should they? Infact privacy breeds suscpicion. How about for everyones safety you post your private details and smses as well as your daily schedule so we know you are not going around consorting with terroists or drug dealers.

Anyone who would sacrifice liberty for security deserves neither.
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forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.

Mainspring said:
forget the government, they don't need to do anything.
all they need to do is contact Google and Apple.
they have us all under lock and key... in the name of convenience and technology.
we are all just bunch of *****es and whores.
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^^^^--- This.
Anyway, as far as being able to track you they would need probable cause to even begin to attempt to defend themselves if any government type decides to do this. At least enough to warrant a search a seizure. I don't know how the laws are outside of the states but I can imagine unless you're in a dictatorship or you live in a communist nation the laws are similar.
Higher-ups have always been able to do this, that's not the question. The question is the legitimacy of the situations that they decide to use their power.

LOL
I love you guys who born and grow up in the US. and Western part where democracy is practicing daily.
Coming off a communist country, I love freedom a lot but ......... if you do no harm to the nation, no harm to the country, no harm to the community and no harm to anybody, then you SHOULD NEVER worry about it.
If you say "Obama is suck and I hate him" you not gonna be jailed for that.
If you say "I hate white president and I never vote for those again", you not gonna be fined for that.
If you say "I just have sex with my g/f and she moans like crazy", they not gonna care to listen to your conversation.
But if you are up to something, potentially put the nation, commnunity at risk, yes, you are deserved to lock up for the rest of your life as the safety issue for the rest.
Period.

Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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hungry81 said:
Yes a the moment the government can suboena Google or whoever and can get the info but at least there is a process to be followed paperwork and its all mostly in the open. So if this is the case why do they need to get this info via this chip? To me the potential for misuse outweighs the potential for safety removing a link in the chain does not nessicarily make the chain better or stronger
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Look at all the articles about how carriers gave the FBI an open ticket to their systems. The government has been doing unwarrented wire taps for years now in the name of security which is BS.
As for the previous comment no you don't get in trouble for things like that but let me tell you a true story about a buddy of mine.
He and his girlfreind got into an argument where she made up lies about how he said he would kill her for threating to run away with their child. The cops find him on a bus leaving state. Tosses him in jail for 4 weeks until he sees a judge as their is no bail in the state for demestic issues. Then he get 6 months probation and has to pay $4000 in fines. Cant go to trial as she cant be found. Now he has assault on his record and is having trouble finding work as all it says is ASSAULT nothing else. All for words he never said. But even if he had it was still just words. Nothing more. No history of violence. Just an empty threat.
Yeah freedom right. Guilty until proven innocent

Wow, never heard this until now

Google, NSA and security

With the not so shocking revelation that Google (along with just about every other major hardware/software company) is in bed with the NSA and providing back doors and/or other entry points into their systems, is there really any such thing as a "personal" phone?
I mean, who's to say how far Samsung (and other device manufacturers) have gone to provide access to the government along with the O/S developer (Google) and the service providers who've all been outed as being complicit as well.
I'm sure that it's an unlikely possibility due to the sheer number of lines of code, can we really put much faith in the fact that are our favorite custom ROMs any more secure?
I would hope that they are, but I think that the battle was fought and won a decade ago and no one outside of the government and most corporate board rooms even knew the first shots had been fired, let alone the white flag had been raised, accepted and surrender terms had been agreed upon.

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is there really any such thing as a "personal" phone?..
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The communication system as a whole is not secure so in essence, no.
I mean, who's to say how far...
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Only you.
No tinfoil hats here but you should consider security your responsibility not anyone else's.
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The only security you have is in your head.
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The samsung Knox app screams "NSA BACK DOOR"

So loving my note 3. I haven't rooted it yet or anything. As I want to see how the stock rom is for a month or so.
Something has been bugging me ever since I have started caring about my privacy and security. as every App I want to install wants to read my call log, control SMS's record conversations ect. when the app doesn't need to. for instance my favorite radio station. Thinks it needs the permission to know who I've called! What the hell for?
It's the reason I've begin to fall in love with Paranoid android ROM. I had it on my note 2. granted I couldn't use the S-pen at all as it didn't use touchwiz. but I found the ability to edit each apps security settings. worth the sacrifice!. (if anyone reads this. is there a way to put that into any ROM? the permissions editor?) I'd love to install it. but onto the pressing issue.
Samsung includes this magical service with the note 3 called Knox. now it's supposed to give you enterprise security.
When all it does. is constantly give me notifications that it's stopped certain programs from running.
when this morning I clicked the right button which too me to the permissions that Knox gets here they are
read phone status and identity
read, edit SMS's
full network access, ability to change network conns
retrieve running apps
prevent phone from sleeping
directly call phone numbers
Take pictures and video
Record audio
approximate location. Pinpoint location
Modify call contacts. read call log
add read or modify calendar events
read all web history, bookmarks ect
Modify or delete usb storage
Disable screen security
complete account control
Read dictionary terms
pair with any bluetooth
there is also lots of other non essential stuff. This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!

jjbk said:
This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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I know a couple of CIO's that are wetting themselves over KNOX and they (and the DOD, CIA, and NSA for internal use) are the primary audiences. I'd like to assume that people in charge of protecting corporate data are smart enough to investigate the tools they are using to do that pretty thoroughly. My assumption is that the boatload of permissions KNOX requires are all tied to administering, monitoring, protecting, archiving, and deleting data off of devices being policed with MDM. Based on Huawei and Lenovo being cut out of acquisition opportunities and lucrative Western networking contracts because of their ties to the Chinese and "spying" I'd say the quickest way for Samsung to put themselves out of business and take Korea with them is to do what you're suggesting.

The KNOX is truly crap!
I had disable all KNOX after ROOT.
Samsung doing this KNOX thingy is full to crap! extremely useless!

jjbk said:
It's the reason I've begin to fall in love with Paranoid android ROM. I had it on my note 2. granted I couldn't use the S-pen at all as it didn't use touchwiz. but I found the ability to edit each apps security settings. worth the sacrifice!. (if anyone reads this. is there a way to put that into any ROM? the permissions editor?) I'd love to install it. but onto the pressing issue.
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You can do this now with an unrooted Note 3. It's a sort of hidden feature of Android 4.3, but you just need access to an 'activity' called App Ops. There is a handy app in the Play store that creates this link for you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher

Knox is also a device administrator and to work correctly it needs pretty much all permissions.
That's normal.
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jeromepearce said:
You can do this now with an unrooted Note 3. It's a sort of hidden feature of Android 4.3, but you just need access to an 'activity' called App Ops. There is a handy app in the Play store that creates this link for you:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.appaholics.applauncher
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Thanks. I got it. and started using it can't wait till paranoid brings out a good ROM. or something with full S pen funtionality. and then just install this on Thanks Once again

All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.

I just simply rooted and removed Knox, lots written about it - the secret agenda is nonsense.

jjbk said:
here is also lots of other non essential stuff. This is Freaking Alarming at the minimum. if no one is worried about this then its very sad! This screams NSA back door!
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Of course Knox needs all these permissions - it is, essentially, a virtualised phone OS within a real phone OS.
Without those permissions, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
Dave

There is always this conspiracy theory :laugh:
Ppl need to cool down and chill.

foxmeister said:
Of course Knox needs all these permissions - it is, essentially, a virtualised phone OS within a real phone OS.
Without those permissions, it simply wouldn't work!
Regards,
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There's no question KNOX is a nightmare for enthusiasts. But enthusiasts make up 5% of the market. XDA being the biggest enthusiast site on the web has 5M members; Samsung will sell 250M smart devices this year. The corporate market is probably 25-30% of annual smartphone sales. That's who KNOX is for and so far it's been extremely well received. I know of one company that's issued a mandate that all employees must use Samsung phones equipped with KNOX whether supplied by the company or via BYOD. If that happens enough Samsung's hit a home run with KNOX even if all 5M XDA members buy other phones. KNOX has been so successful LG's doing something similar.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/10/01/lg-gate-enterprise-security/
So ladies and gentlemen, KNOX and its ilk are here to stay.

weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Your mentality sucks. Surely i can expect some kind of privacy on a personal device. Wether im doing something i shouldnt be or not.

BarryH_GEG - is completely right its aimed at Corp users and its very useful. - those that slag it off has no idea what it is and what its used for.
KNOX - is Samsung's version SELinux, since its now standard in Linux Kernel, all variations of Linux will have this feature and Andriod is an variation of Linux.
So if you dont like SELinux you better switch from Andriod smartphones as this will be standard soon no matter which OEM you choose.

weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Putting KNOX aside, I want to understand your perspective on privacy.
Here's my perspective:
I have nothing to hide nor am I working in politics.
But with this backdoor technology, it IS a serious concern for journalists and honest politicians running against the current corrupted elite establishment.
Who (in the sex obsessed American public eye) will take their cause seriously after the establishment (with the help of NSA DB) releases a phone-sex tape or pictures of drunken high school pics?
In 2008, NSA workers told ABC News that they routinely eavesdropped on phone sex between troops serving overseas and their loved ones in America.
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Who's to be the honest watchdog of the establishment if all journalists can be blackmailed with their personal info before they release their reports of establishment corruption?
This is not about something to HIDE.
It's about freedom and democracy.
Do you want your children to inherent a world where they can MAKE A DIFFERENCE or one where THEY CAN NOT??

You do know that Samsung is a Korean company - and a strongly nationalist one to the extent of a General Electric or. General Motors - right?

perosredo said:
You do know that Samsung is a Korean company - and a strongly nationalist one to the extent of a General Electric or. General Motors - right?
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What does that have to do with whether it will comply with the laws in the country it wants to do business in?
Google a US COMPANY had to comply and censor results in many countries at the request of the foreign gov.
Twitter had to censor the posts of Arab Spring supporters at the request of their govs
BlackBerry a CANADIAN COMPANY had been pressured into releasing encryption keys to the Indian gov to spy on comms.
Samsung wants to do business in your country, does it not?

weedahoe said:
All this knox talk is funny. What are you really scared of?
NSA? No problem unless you're trying to hide something you should not be doing. If they want to see my search history or see my pics and read my emails, then go for it.
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Agreed........... I deliberately take regular photos of my untrimmed white bits just for them.... :laugh:

jonlewi5 said:
Your mentality sucks. Surely i can expect some kind of privacy on a personal device. Wether im doing something i shouldnt be or not.
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You better get off the internet now and any social site you might have ever been on. Lots of engines index everything you put out there so even though you think you delete it, its still there......somewhere

klau1 said:
I want to understand your perspective on privacy.
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Anyone here's perspective on privacy really doesn't belong on XDA. It's one thing to talk about the impact of KNOX on device development, how to use (or not use) its functionality, and what its impact is to privacy and another to have general privacy discussions that belong on Reddit.
OP's question was asked and answered. KNOX's sweeping permissions are required for it to function. If people feel that KNOX could impact their privacy disable it or send Samsung a message by not buying their products. Just like Samsung's reaction to the negative coverage of Region Lock was to ignore it you can pretty much assume that'll be their position on KNOX too. I use KNOX so if there's some sort of nefarious activity it performs or my data gets compromised I'll report back. That's assuming I'm not captured by the CIA and renditioned to a foreign country and water boarded.

klau1 said:
But with this backdoor technology, it IS a serious concern for journalists and honest politicians running against the current corrupted elite establishment.
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What backdoor technology? KNOX?
Unless you are running your own version of a mobile OS, compiled from source and having reviewed all the code to remove any backdoors, you are potentially vulnerable to all sorts of backdoors that Google, Samsung, HTC, Microsoft, Apple, or any other company may have inserted the ROM build you are running. KNOX changes none of this.
Privacy is an illusion, and always has been!
Regards,
Dave