It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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Share the trick dude!
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Share the trick dude!
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You are asking Cjward to participate in an illegal activity.
IMEIs allows phones to be rendered useless if the phone is reported stolen. Sharing "the trick" of changing IMEIs not only promotes theft of Android phones, but it is illegal in some countries.It would allow the possibility of getting XDA in trouble if such information was posted here and we don't want that.
cjward23 said:
It has recently come to my attention that a few people are upset at the actions I took to get the threads closed which told you how to change your IMEI number.
The way I understand it is that Changing your IMEI is illegal in most countries. So I asked a mod if this knid of thing was allowed on XDA developers. The moderation team closed the thread, not me. They decided it was not suitable.
So I'm curious to know what the general opinion on this matter is.
And rather than me receive PM's from people making personal attacks I thought it would be better to discuss in public.
Please let me know your thoughts
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I guess one of those people would be me. It was not meant as a personal attack. I'll just repost what I said before on another thread so there are no confisions:
Some guy thread about imei unlocking got closed and locked in the general section. This has nothing to do with this rom, but i can't reply there. So here are my thoughts.
The action may be ilegal, but the information itself isn't. You are ultimately responsible for what you do with it.
There are lots of examples throughout History about information limiting for "the good of the people". Usually ends up with book burning.
Another example: I'm pretty sure that in my country it's illegal to record calls without the consent of the other party. The should I take out 2 way call recording from the kernel, and should xda delete all info on this site on how to do it?
What about the google apps we all include in our custom roms? There's a reason CM7 does not include them. It's illegal. Should xda remove all threads and roms that do not comply?
I'm sorry for the rambling, but i enjoy my freedom, and selfrighteous actions like these make my blood go hot.
Peace
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After this there were more examples on illegal stuff we do around here. If anyone actually reads the HTC terms of service, pretty much everything we do with sense roms is illegal. The point is, information should not be limited. Here's a drastic example:
The best way to kill someone fast: shoot him on the head.
Am I condoning murder? Will that line be edited bi mods?
Ridiculous example of course, but the line of reasoning is the same.
Peace.
This is not meant to start a flame war, or pose as a personal attack on anyone.
@lowveld
It wasn't you, I received 2 PM's and one of them wasn't very nice.
I'm very intrested to see what the general consensus is on this matter.
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There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely have used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it because they are not making a profit and it is beneficial to them. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely has used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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I would also like to know what effort someone could get from in it legal matters.
When I understand it the right way there is none except the possibility to mask a stolen phone.
Swyped from my Desire S
Don't You think that knowledge of how to do such a "trick" can encourage theft and sale/use of stolen goods? It's like sharing info about how to steal a car and what to do next to make it "legal" again for further sale.
You guys must be really thick to refuse to understand that:
1. It is illegal
2. Wast majority of our community is against it
3. This is xda developers, not xda thieves guild
Please provide links to laws cant find anything about it
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You are asking Cjward to participate in an illegal activity.
IMEIs allows phones to be rendered useless if the phone is reported stolen. Sharing "the trick" of changing IMEIs not only promotes theft of Android phones, but it is illegal in some countries.It would allow the possibility of getting XDA in trouble if such information was posted here and we don't want that.
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Cimer said:
There are quite a few of examples there. Some that are irrelevant, some that you are right (HTC example), but since HTC has not acted on XDA, and most likely have used developer's fixes I assume they are fine with it because they are not making a profit and it is beneficial to them. As for the call recorder one...Well you could just use it legally...I mean I can't see how changing your IMEI is legal in any way.
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A few years back I had a Asus P527, windows mobile device. Due to some flashing issues, me and a coupe of dozen other users ended up with the same (default) IMEI. At the time, a service provider from India threatened to cut out service to anyone in that situation. So I figured out how to change the IMEI in that situation, and all was well. But it was still illegal in strict definitions.
But the example is pointless, and the discussion is pointless if you're making points like "HTC has not acted" and "is most likely fine". That does not bear any impact whatsoever on the legality of the action.
And what you find "not relevant" was not meant as a actual real life example, but what in mathematics is referred as "reduction to absurdity". Apply the same set of rules to a different situation with the same premises, and you see the ridicule in the rules themselves.
Cheers
And I'm through with this. Peace.
Nothing more to say ..!!!
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A few years back I had a Asus P527, windows mobile device. Due to some flashing issues, me and a coupe of dozen other users ended up with the same (default) IMEI. At the time, a service provider from India threatened to cut out service to anyone in that situation. So I figured out how to change the IMEI in that situation, and all was well. But it was still illegal in strict definitions.
But the example is pointless, and the discussion is pointless if you're making points like "HTC has not acted" and "is most likely fine". That does not bear any impact whatsoever on the legality of the action.
And what you find "not relevant" was not meant as a actual real life example, but what in mathematics is referred as "reduction to absurdity". Apply the same set of rules to a different situation with the same premises, and you see the ridicule in the rules themselves.
Cheers
And I'm through with this. Peace.
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Just mind your own threads next time.
Destroyer
The trick is on my site PERMANENT
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hey, cjward did what he thought was correct. DON'T GO AGAINST HIM, JUST BECAUSE HE REPORTED SOMETHING HE FELT WAS WRONG. HE IS, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, AT FAULT. Even though i feel that information should be shared without any problems, and brokenworm's thread shouldn't have been deleted, i feel sad that people are flaming cjward. I completely agree with lowveld.
Got to admit when I first saw this posted, I actually questioned to myself whether or not this would be useful or not.
Unfortunately the reasons I had come up with as to why this could be useful, were not in a lawful manner. I thought about this further, came up with the idea again except expanded but with more self-justification. I've given up on the idea in a whole.
Unfortunately I feel that the information should be there, but the associated information pertaining to the relevant law(s) and legal ramifications boldly displayed with what it obviously should and shouldn't be used for, should said distribution of information.
I have to disagree with the way brokenworm is going about this though, immature in the least.
Technically, good.
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Dont flame the proud policeman?
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hey, cjward did what he thought was correct. DON'T GO AGAINST HIM, JUST BECAUSE HE REPORTED SOMETHING HE FELT WAS WRONG. HE IS, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY, AT FAULT. Even though i feel that information should be shared without any problems, and brokenworm's thread shouldn't have been deleted, i feel sad that people are flaming cjward. I completely agree with lowveld.
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In my opinion I think it's bad ;( why? Becoz it's 1 of the unique information to identify who owns the phone by looking at the IMEI, so if a thief knows how to do this he can modify the IMEI so no one will know if the phone was stolen.
Just my little opinion peace!
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i have a question, probably noobish one but would apreciate any response. what is the benefit of changing the imei? why would we want/need to do it? i guess it's like changing the mac adress of a nic but in this case i know what the benefits are but do not find them relevant in the case of the imei. sorry for the question if it's not apropriate..
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i have a question, probably noobish one but would apreciate any response. what is the benefit of changing the imei? why would we want/need to do it? i guess it's like changing the mac adress of a nic but in this case i know what the benefits are but do not find them relevant in the case of the imei. sorry for the question if it's not apropriate..
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Unless you are a theif, drug dealer, pimp, fraudster, terrorist or politician you will probably never have a reason to change your phones IMEI number.
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cjward23 said:
Unless you are a theif, drug dealer, pimp, fraudster, terrorist or politician you will probably never have a reason to change your phones IMEI number.
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Thank you CJ. You hit rock bottom there. I actually considered you an even minded guy, but generalizations like that kind of prove me wrong.
Fu**, I even told you that I had done it before, so in what way is this not a personal attack? Care to tell me what you think I am? Thief? Rapist?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=579741
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Well well well we just found out all your data is going to an Amazon server if you updated to the new 2.3.4 EVO and Sensation users. How long you use an app, What app you are using, The fact that you are rooted, the location you are using it from etc etc (without QIC) is being uploaded to an Amazon server un-encrypted. How's that for security? However thanks to Synergy team developer TrevE users of Synergy and the upcoming Eternity ROM from Virus will be secure against this obvious infringement of your privacy. What is HTC up to? And furthermore what other manufacturers are using similar methods? One thing Trev pointed out was your warranty can be voided immediately. They know you are rooted! The repercussions of this are astounding and frankly I am proud to be breaking this story with all of the work I have done here recently speaking out when I find are data being wrongly horded and used in nefarious ways. Kudos to TrevE and Virus for showing me this and helping the community find a way to put a stop to it. This is an ongoing game people and it is the aftermarket guys like Team Synergy and even journalist like myself who are a pretty good line of defense when crap like this comes up. They have your IMEI they know your location from the cell towers in hex and they know you are rooted. The best way to defend yourself is by rooting and flashing these guys ROMS period and that's a win win. Top of the line performance and defense against heinous invasion of your privacy.
for technical details including the nefarious code you can go HERE. The user behavior logs and other info are right in the thread of our sister site InfectedROM.com
The Synergy team and Revolution for the win... oh and when your using Synergy ROM and Eternity ROM this is what HTC will see..... Beat By Team Synergy. Jokes on them. I'm certainly laughing.
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Someone pointed this out to me so I thought I'd share it with you all.
Link to article
The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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I dont think so...I am curious to know also....What are they doing with this data that they have NOT asked us to collect.
I think the op is going way overboard assuming these STATISTICS are being used " nefariously " sure, point it out, bit don't start throwing out accusations without evidence that harmful acts are being perpetrated and scaring the community into a state of paranoia.
I think the OP just copied and pasted the article, so no need to blame him.
And yea, the way the article is written just makes it seem like a rant and not very credible...
dear Op,
please tell us about the services activated under account and sync. then disabled them all and see, how like magic that traffic then is gone...
LOL. This is really written in such a sensational way that it's pretty funny that I really am fifty fifty believing this post. It's like the posts on the web that mention gain six pack ABS in six weeks no exercise. Ah well. Good thing I'm rooted and failed the update.
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OK, I'm calling BS, or at the very least calling it inaccurate. If you look up those IPs, they belong to amazonaws.com. If you look this up, you get Amazon Web Services. It's basically a bunch of cloud/database services they offer, for people and other companies to utilize. So while it may go to an Amazon server, it is most likely not actually going to Amazon. It is still just HTC, nothing different, just a different server. Also, WHO THE HELL CARES? It's not like it is constantly sending this data all the time. In fact, I'd be willing to bet this only gets sent when you actually submit one of those 'Tell HTC' forms that show up sometimes.
Well, one more spying us is not a problem
What an interesting post. Is there any kind of independent watchdog group who goes over all the code in these roms to see what is actually going on? I assume it's all open source, so they can't really hide what they're doing. How it works in the real world, however, I don't know.
"Exclusive: Someone Is Getting All Your Data And We Know How To Stop Them!"
Really?
This is an internet forum, not a tabloid newspaper/self-help magazine.
sound like to me that you just want people to download and use your rom. because if you knew a way to stop this why not post the fix ,no instead you want us to use your rom go suck and egg.bs
Now I get it...
Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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you my good sir... are exactly what we need around here hahaha hilarious
Can they even do that as in htc? Isnt it like trespassing other people privacy?
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Can they even do that as in htc? Isnt it like trespassing other people privacy?
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Apparently they can, take a look in setting > about phone > legal information > HTC legal, its all there..
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Apparently they can, take a look in setting > about phone > legal information > HTC legal, its all there..
HTC Swyped from my Sensation using XDA Premium
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well that is one clever move made by htc. -.- wthell man. no privacy !!! anyway thanks for the info though... cant believe that they did this kind of thing to their customer.
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The reason it's going to Amazon is because HTC has servers with Amazon obviously... Damn this is a dumb, FUD-spreading, post.
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The article is not questioning Amazon but HTC. And its a fact so FUD spreading I think not
Setting the Record Straight.
For the record I would never post anything that I wrote here on XDA i'm not responsible for the post. To the people who were interested in the information imparted in said post. Glad it helped. To the folks who think it's FUD. Too bad. To the folks who think I write a tabloid... well thats for the people reading it to decide. To the folks who think the fix isn't in the piece. Get your reading glasses. Oh and to the folks who don't like the fact that I promoted the developers who created the fix and think Synergy is a crappy ROM take that up with the developer of said ROMs. Thanks a million and have a blessed day.
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sound like to me that you just want people to download and use your rom. because if you knew a way to stop this why not post the fix ,no instead you want us to use your rom go suck and egg.bs
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Posts like these, thats what the 10 post minimum was all about. Too bad it missed this clown. If you've got a fix, post it. Shove your weak ROM and your weak tabloid marketing in your very loose arse. Jive... Is this where XDA is heading?
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I don't necessarily believe it either but I wonder if you guys even clicked on the link because there's actually a bunch of source there, and explanations of what happens when you delete certain files that are harvesting info, and the source code that was used to "defeat" the info harvesting behaviors. I think this is interesting at the very least, if not true even if it was definitely presented in a sensational way.
I don't particularly care WHERE the data is going, I want to know WHY it's being collected in the first place, especially if it is not vital to the functioning of our mobile devices, which it seems pretty clear to all of us, it isn't. Even if YOU don't care about your info and data being harvested by google, some of us do and many of us find it very disconcerting.
Also, a guy with 14 posts trolling and asking where "XDA is heading" am I the only one that appreciates how ridiculous that is?
I know this is a touchy subject due to the potentially illegal uses of IMEI numbers. Let me be very clear, I want to restore MY original IMEI number. Here is my situation:
Through various ROM flashes I have changed my IMEI number. Kies says my device in unregistered because I have the wrong IMEI. I wanted to try going back to stock since GB is now available without using a custom ROM. I have my device's original IMEI number saved in a document (in case it was ever stolen). I do not have a backup of my original EFS folder, only the IMEI number itself saved in a text document.
Is there any way for me to manually input my devices IMEI number and save it back into my phone?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=881162
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Thanks for the suggestion. I had already seen this, but since it was talking about setting the values to a "generic" setting I was trying to avoid it. I tried it anyway and it didn't fix the problem. I unrooted the phone and took it to AT&T. The problem ended up being that the APN setting couldn't be accessed and they weren't configured. The rep was able to do a hard reset. Not sure what kind of reset it was though. Not factory. It didn't revert back to Froyo, but it did remove all the apps (to include all google apps) I had to reinstall the market and restart the phone before it would work. Anyway, everything seems to be working fine now. I just wish I could have seen what the rep was doing so I could describe the solution better, but he was on the other side of the counter and didn't seem to want me to see.
IMei Problems in turkey and registration rules
Hi there
I know this will probably yield me a "no its illegal" reply but please hear me out on this. Im a good person!
I moved to turkey 6 months ago to work here as an IT teacher in an international school. I brought with me my lovely HTC HD2 which i had hacked using XDA software to now run andoid (was very pleased with my phone). registered my phone here with my passport. The phone then broke and while trying to fix it I snapped some of the internal data cables...
I have my old HTC wildfire here but cant use it on the GSM network as im only allowed to register 1 phone to my passport every two years!
I know its not technically allowed but i was thinking of changing the imei on my wildfire to that of my broken (but registered) HTC HD2 and was figuring if i got caught for it that they would see that the imei number is in fact registered to me anyway.
I have searched high and low for solutions for this. I found the Iwizard but I think that this was released in 2007 and my phone was released in 2010 so i am presuming that this will not work. also had some problems and questions about using activesync on my windows 7 computer along with presuming that I cant connect an android phone to activesync.
As I said before. Im not tying to commit a crime here but just trying not to go out and spend lots of money (and phones do cost lots of money here) on buying a turkish phone.
if anyone can help then please let me know
my email is [email protected]
cheers..
Thats called cloning. Will not be discussed here as it is illegal in the states and many other places. Check Turkish law, they may not have any laws against it, however you would still be on your own as its not discussed here.
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just because something is illegal doesnt mean it is illegal to discuss it. it is called freedom of speech. this guy stated he wish he knew how to clone a phone. if you preface your response with the fact the information is not intended for illegal use, you are not aiding anyone. he is responsible for his own actions. a good example of this is when a group attempted to ban "the anarchists cookbook" , a judge ruled that even though the book detailed how to construct illegal devices it could not be baned. the judge cited the first amendment.
i would never advise anyone to break a law but i would not look down on anyone who seeks information. my point is this: it is illegal to make TNT in your basement but it is not illegal to speak or write about how TNT is made. the op should seek his information on the web elsewhere since xda is not for q and a for phone cloning. there are many web sites that explain cloning and it is not illegal to read or write about this matter.
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Uh ya, and in short, its not discussed on XDA. I never trounced on anyone's freedom of speech.
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just because something is illegal doesnt mean it is illegal to discuss it. it is called freedom of speech. this guy stated he wish he knew how to clone a phone. if you preface your response with the fact the information is not intended for illegal use, you are not aiding anyone. he is responsible for his own actions. a good example of this is when a group attempted to ban "the anarchists cookbook" , a judge ruled that even though the book detailed how to construct illegal devices it could not be baned. the judge cited the first amendment.
i would never advise anyone to break a law but i would not look down on anyone who seeks information. my point is this: it is illegal to make TNT in your basement but it is not illegal to speak or write about how TNT is made. the op should seek his information on the web elsewhere since xda is not for q and a for phone cloning. there are many web sites that explain cloning and it is not illegal to read or write about this matter.
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It's not about whether or not it is illegal for the topic to be discussed. If you allow potentially illegal information to be placed on the forum freely then you open the community up to unnecessary scrutiny. There are a lot of people out there that do not like developers helping people alter there mobile devices. Yes it's legal, but it also pisses a lot of companies off. So one way the community protects itself is through self-censorship.
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ConeyKiller said:
Thats called cloning. Will not be discussed here as it is illegal in the states and many other places. Check Turkish law, they may not have any laws against it, however you would still be on your own as its not discussed here.
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cheers for taking the time to at least explain this. I was under the impression that someone from XDA had previously posted software on here for the very purpose i am describing in my last post (re turkey). I saw a screen capture of the software (iwizard) and it has a picture of a turkish cup of tea on it. I was guessing that XDA had decided to help people in turkey with the the registration issues we have. But after about 1 week of free time spent searching the internet for solutions I am ready to give in and just go out and buy a turkish mobile phone (can sell me blocked one in england next time i go home) .
Cheers and thanks for all the great software I have previously had from the site for my HTC HD2
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Don't know what happened... but my alert was put into Q&A even though it's not a question.
Sorry, for the cross-posting... but this issue is very important to all of us who care about rooting/modifying our devices. We may soon lose the legal exemption to do that.
UPDATE: I see that xda-dev has an article in its main portal page...
Bumping this until Feb. 10...
when no one will be able to affect the situation...
TRIED the website but it must be having some issues. Thanks Geek for the heads up. What a freakin joke. Utter and total BS. Imagine if the government tried to tell people that they couldn't modify there car? I'll try to find a better link to the petition.
Before everyone gets hyped:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
So hopefully it gets renewed.
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Too late. Getting hyped is a prerequisite for being a member of xda-dev.
finch8423 said:
It's a little bit complicated. First off, the Federal Government (namely a member of Congress) would have to care enough to push for a law to be passed. Another thing that could happen is that there could be an Agency regulation that specifically prohibits rooting. However for that to happen, they have to authority to be able to enforce it.
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I agree that it is complicated. But, according to EFF: Some device manufacturers claim that jailbreaking violates Section 1201 of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA), which carries stiff penalties.there is already such a law. Granted, there has not been a court case, yet, testing that law. But it is on the books.
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As long as you are not reverse engineering, you are not breaking any U.S. law. This exemption that is expiring only clarified a defense to a law that does not exist, meaning that we specifically stated that rooting was not a crime, while there was no law stating that modification was a crime. It is a very vague, legal gray area. It's a lot like gun laws- things are not settled until they are tried in court.
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Well, you may wish to read, specifically, about Section 1201 of the DMCA. It is false comfort to think that a law does not exist... it does exist. The wikipedia article on the DMCA has a good discussion. If you are more of a legal geek, then the government provides congressional report 105-796 and a summary on the internet. For information on how institutions of learning can be affected, EDUCAUSE addresses the issue on its site.
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The whole point of creating this thread. To help ensure that it is renewed.
A bull****, nothing more. It is my property and I do with it what I want. They can only affect my warrenty. They can only do something if its a carrier branded and you don't buy for full price . Then device is still a carrier property
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This country is already broke (not only financially, but also morally -- but that's an entirely different discussion), how will they go about actually enforcing this law? I know that phone companies can gather a lot of information about your phone remotely, but can they tell whether your phone is rooted or not?
I'm not trying to be pompous, so I apologize if I came off like that. I completely agree with you.
They can claim all they want. It's important for everyone to know that if it comes to that, there is no specific law addressing this, only claims under the DMCA.
In my legal opinion, root privileges can hardly be misconstrued as copyright infringement. It's mainly Macintosh that is pushing this though- they claim that jailbreaking is illegal because of the close-source nature of their products (It's also ironic to note that many of the working conditions of their factories would be considered illegal in every country that they sell their products in).
Well macintosh and... recently, ASUS, right? and one other... last summer, but I can't recall who right now.
Let's just say... for sake of argument that carriers sign agreements with manufacturerers (when, in fact, they're different companies)... that require them to deny service to "rooted" devices based on the law... or maybe not the law... but their collective interpretation of the law...
Honestly...
Ndaa, sopa, pipa... Now this???
Dammit my m4 is getting put to use soon isn't it??
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^ add ACTA to that list.
Sent from my SGS 4G.
You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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gefilus said:
As ACTA is *****. My country accepted it, **** them
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Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
Watch profile and will see where I live
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You do realize that google gave us source, and samsung gave us source, and they both stated that "THIS CAN BE USED FOR "ENRICHMENT" OF YOUR PHONE" google android is 100% free. Even if it expired, it wouldn't effect us. Whoever the fool that initially stated that rooting will go away is false.
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Are you suggesting that EFF doesn't know what the hell they are talking about?
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Maybe. Just ask Google.
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We might not be talking apples to apples...
I know apple has fought their phones being jail broken. But isn't it the carriers who really have the problem with it? They want to make you buy their network specific phone from them?
They can only put this law if there is one only on devices which are carrier branded. On unlocked or unbramded devices they can't do the ****. It is in my proparty and take you hand of from it, I can do with my device what I want
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Damn... is your town as beautiful in person as it looks in pictures? I had to look it up to see where the hell you lived
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Mostly and almost the same like in pictures. And ye waterfall is or mark
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I only noticed this when trying to use another sim card (even though i unlocked it), the imei is different to the one on the back and the box of the phone, is there anyway for me to restore or get my original imei number back. I suspect that a rom must have corrupted it.
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I only noticed this when trying to use another sim card (even though i unlocked it), the imei is different to the one on the back and the box of the phone, is there anyway for me to restore or get my original imei number back. I suspect that a rom must have corrupted it.
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Did you ever send in your Sensation to HTC for repairs? If HTC replaced your motherboard then that explains why the IMEI is different.
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Did you ever send in your Sensation to HTC for repairs? If HTC replaced your motherboard then that explains why the IMEI is different.
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Nope I have never sent it. I have done a check on the current dodgy imei and it says that it is a htc one x rather than a sensation. I would seriously pay someone for sorting this mess!
A ROM did not corrupt it. That just didn't happen.
There are ways to change an IMEI, but don't ask how to do it on XDA. And don't even discuss doing it on XDA.
Changing that number is illegal and XDA does not tolerate discussion of illegal activities. It is a bannable offense on XDA.
Furthermore your IMEI number did not get accidentally changed to a valid number of another device. The amount of coincidence involved there is unfathomable. It's like picking a star in the night sky at random and having it be the one that has abundant ineligent life.
Did you buy this phone from a store? Or did you buy it from a guy in an ally in a transaction that started with "Pssst...hey buddy...you wannt buy a *wink wink* new phone?"
Oh I'm sorry Mr clever, sitting behind your of screen on the other side of the world I never knew you had unseen knowledge of my phone, and the fact that you try and say my phone is stolen a f***king joke and represents an accusing lying mind that you have, I have you know that I purchase my tech brand new, my imei did change keyboard warrior it was due to a dodgy firmware, alot of people have had the same problem I guess it's a f**ked up minded people like you who think everyone's phone is stolen. Ban me if u want I ain't taking **** from a 'law' abiding sheep who has no freedom!
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Oh I'm sorry Mr clever, sitting behind your of screen on the other side of the world I never knew you had unseen knowledge of my phone, and the fact that you try and say my phone is stolen a f***king joke and represents an accusing lying mind that you have, I have you know that I purchase my tech brand new, my imei did change keyboard warrior it was due to a dodgy firmware, alot of people have had the same problem I guess it's a f**ked up minded people like you who think everyone's phone is stolen. Ban me if u want I ain't taking **** from a 'law' abiding sheep who has no freedom!
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So now you say you know the IMEI changed due to a dodgy firmware? And you know it's that because a lot of people have had the same problem...but earlier you thought it might have been due to a ROM install?
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I only noticed this when trying to use another sim card (even though i unlocked it), the imei is different to the one on the back and the box of the phone, is there anyway for me to restore or get my original imei number back. I suspect that a rom must have corrupted it.
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There appears to be some inconsistency in your story.
If it was so well documented that you knew it was dodgy firmware, how come 12 hours ago you thought it was ROM related? What firmware did you use? Where did you get it? Where is it well documented that this is a regular problem suffered by a lot of people? Can you share these resources?
The fact is that changing the IMEI is a crime. The fact that you seem to still want to do it after being made aware that it a crime doesn't exactly convince me that you're completely trustworthy and on the level here.
Again, discussing IMEI changes is not tolerated on XDA. I just gave you a friendly warning, assuming you didn't know. Buy hey...who am I to get in the way of your little temper tantum if that's what makes you happy?
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So now you say you know the IMEI changed due to a dodgy firmware? And you know it's that because a lot of people have had the same problem...but earlier you thought it might have been due to a ROM install?
There appears to be some inconsistency in your story.
If it was so well documented that you knew it was dodgy firmware, how come 12 hours ago you thought it was ROM related? What firmware did you use? Where did you get it? Where is it well documented that this is a regular problem suffered by a lot of people? Can you share these resources?
The fact is that changing the IMEI is a crime. The fact that you seem to still want to do it after being made aware that it a crime doesn't exactly convince me that you're completely trustworthy and on the level here.
Again, discussing IMEI changes is not tolerated on XDA. I just gave you a friendly warning, assuming you didn't know. Buy hey...who am I to get in the way of your little temper tantum if that's what makes you happy?
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Hey buddy check your PM
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Oh I'm sorry Mr clever, sitting behind your of screen on the other side of the world I never knew you had unseen knowledge of my phone, and the fact that you try and say my phone is stolen a f***king joke and represents an accusing lying mind that you have, I have you know that I purchase my tech brand new, my imei did change keyboard warrior it was due to a dodgy firmware, alot of people have had the same problem I guess it's a f**ked up minded people like you who think everyone's phone is stolen. Ban me if u want I ain't taking **** from a 'law' abiding sheep who has no freedom!
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Control your composer :what:
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Oh I'm sorry Mr clever, sitting behind your of screen on the other side of the world I never knew you had unseen knowledge of my phone, and the fact that you try and say my phone is stolen a f***king joke and represents an accusing lying mind that you have, I have you know that I purchase my tech brand new, my imei did change keyboard warrior it was due to a dodgy firmware, alot of people have had the same problem I guess it's a f**ked up minded people like you who think everyone's phone is stolen. Ban me if u want I ain't taking **** from a 'law' abiding sheep who has no freedom!
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OK, time to relax. There is no need for this sort of out burst, if you feel action is required please report it, we will handle it.
The instructions you have been given are correct. The changing of IMEI numbers is not allowed on XDA as this information can be used by people who trade in stolen phones. Now i am not saying you are involved in this in any way, but unless you have a backup of your IMEI number, we will be unable to help you here on XDA. Sorry we cannot help you further, but we cannot aide in the breaking of the law.
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XDA, remove Gift Celestial Fury Ad-Free from my 'thank you' columns.
I did NOT give you permission to add it to all my posts.
Gifting 'me' is actually gifting YOU money and NOT me.
STOP the deception. I mean it.
lol...sorry?
We don't need your permission to add a forum feature. Never have, never will.
Also, please explain this Gifting 'me' is actually gifting YOU money and NOT me.?
You DO get gifted. The gift you receive is an ad-free experience on XDA.
I already have an ad free experience. I don't need any gifts from XDA. Don't presume that it's in my best interest to have it there when we all know it's in XDA's best interest. XDA can't even be up front about it. Now, it's called a forum feature? Right. . . This point is where your LOL is more suitable.
It's obvious who the money is going to. XDA can just stop leeching off our thanks - that's my point but your second line suggests that XDA is too arrogant to care what its users think. Good job.
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your second line suggests that XDA is too arrogant to care what its users think. Good job.
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Had your post been the least bit mature, I would have responded accordingly.
There is nothing immature about my complaint. Had XDA given us an option to turn it on or off there would be nothing to complain. I support XDA with my threads/posts but not with something I have no choice over and XDA is all about choice.
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It's obvious who the money is going to. XDA can just stop leeching off our thanks
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What does this mean Sir? I'm thinking you have misunderstood this feature, as it has zero to do with thanks.
This 'feature' is placed in the same row as 'thanks' so it's basically saying: instead of or besides thanking me you can also thank me by paying on behalf of me to get ad-free XDA, except that:
I'm not the one asking for it but since it's there people might think that I am (and I've never asked for money or anything and don't even have my Donate button activated)
The implementation is not across the board and people might think that it is individually activated (until, like me, it appears for them and they go look for the setting to turn it off and find that there is none)
Clicking on that link for any user leads to an option to pay money to KC Online Media, LLC (which is most likely acting on behalf of XDA or its top management) so that XDA can remove ads for a certain user - meaning that the money goes to XDA and never to the user which is how the remove ads from XDA for the user will work
It is only ethical for XDA to get its users' consent (see first point). Anything else is just sly marketing and considering how often XDA puts down companies who engage in devious promotional tactics, I would think XDA would hold itself up to the same high standards.
Bottom line, forum feature leads to social ramifications.
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This 'feature' is placed in the same row as 'thanks' so it's basically saying: instead of or besides thanking me you can also thank me by paying on behalf of me to get ad-free XDA, except that:
[*]I'm not the one asking for it but since it's there people might think that I am (and I've never asked for money or anything and don't even have my Donate button activated)
[*]The implementation is not across the board and people might think that it is individually activated (until, like me, it appears for them and they go look for the setting to turn it off and find that there is none)
[*]Clicking on that link for any user leads to an option to pay money to KC Online Media, LLC (which is most likely acting on behalf of XDA or its top management) so that XDA can remove ads for a certain user - meaning that the money goes to XDA and never to the user which is how the remove ads from XDA for the user will work
[*]It is only ethical for XDA to get its users' consent (see first point). Anything else is just sly marketing and considering how often XDA puts down companies who engage in devious promotional tactics, I would think XDA would hold itself up to the same high standards.
Bottom line, forum feature leads to social ramifications.
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You are over thinking this big time my friend.
It is across the board, for one. Only present on 2015 theme I think. So no one is thinking you yourself are asking for a gift. It's under every users posts. Except perhaps those that already have ad free. (if it isn't, then it could be a glitch, as new features can have)
XDA is not really advancing income on this, as they lose ad revenue obviously for anyone with ad free. And at the end of the day, a site that is free to register on, with over 7 million members has every right to earn a little where it can to help keep the site running. There is nothing unethical or abnormal about it.
The owners decided to offer ad free to members, and make it giftable, and they don't need my, yours, or anyone's permission to do so. This is a private site, and they own it.
I can say that with 7 million members, only one has complained about this completely optional feature, that I'm aware of.
And let's be realistic, many use ad blockers anyway, so it's definitely not a mandatory feature. Is it?
Your opinion is noted though. :good:
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The implementation is not across the board and people might think that it is individually activated (until, like me, it appears for them and they go look for the setting to turn it off and find that there is none)
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It most certainly is across the board. As Darth said, it's not on all forum themes. But you're no different to anyone else.
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meaning that the money goes to XDA and never to the user which is how the remove ads from XDA for the user will work
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If you're here for money, you're here for the wrong reasons. Plus you haven't set up your donate button, so it obviously isn't that important to you. If you are expecting donations, setting up your donation button might be a good idea.
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It is only ethical for XDA to get its users' consent (see first point). Anything else is just sly marketing and considering how often XDA puts down companies who engage in devious promotional tactics, I would think XDA would hold itself up to the same high standards.
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You really are missing the point here. The point of it is to give something back to the user. Just like on Reddit if someone "gives you gold". That's all it's intended for. I have no idea why you think it's all about the money coming back to XDA. A few dollars is going to make absolutely zero difference to the XDA funds. If anything, the loss of ads is going to mean they lose income.
You need to stress less and stop overthinking this.
It's not across the board and even for the same person with the same forum theme, some posts have it and some don't. I doubt XDA is losing money over this otherwise they would not be promoting it by sticking it onto every other post. If they were then they would be incompetent and unable to maximize profit and XDA is anything but incompetent. Just because something is free doesn't mean we have no say it in especially when they stick it to the bottom of our posts and make it seem like the USER is asking for it and they most certainly need the users' permission if they're going to stick it to our posts. Otherwise, they can stick it somewhere else where it is clear it is not the user asking for it but XDA itself. If this feature is optional, where's the button to turn it off? Fix that and there won't be anything left to say. Why the reluctance? The first person to notice a rot has the obligation to speak up lest the rots spreads by which time it will be entrenched and even harder to remove.
Since, I've specifically said that I haven't asked for money or anything or even have my donate button active it beggars the mind to imply that I am here for money. I don't want users to think that I am now asking for money with that 'ad-free' ADVERTISEMENT placed on our behalf without our consent. XDA is missing the point. Compare their editorials and opinion pieces where they lambast others when they do something wrong or unethical with what they are doing now. The amount is not the issue but the principle and the ethics - that is don't link XDA's request for money (in the form of gifting users) with users posts when the users are NOT the ones asking for it. It's certainly not a language problem but a cultural one, maybe. Do as I say but not as I do, and all that. XDA needs stress less and stop monetizing through sly means.
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It's not across the board and even for the same person with the same forum theme, some posts have it and some don't.
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As I said, it IS across the board. It will appear on every post that has been thanked by someone.
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XDA needs stress less and stop monetizing through sly means.
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I think you need to stress less. We haven't had anyone else make any complaints about this. 1 out of 6 million is a pretty good indication.