Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
Motorola says it is "more efficient" to bundle security updates into fewer releases.
RON AMADEO - 7/26/2016, 2:24 PM
Motorola has clarified the update situation of the Moto Z and Moto G4, calling Android's monthly security updates "difficult" and deciding not to commit to them.
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For the future of security updates at the Lenovo-owned Motorola, we look to the 2015 Moto X, which has been receiving Android security updates about once a quarter instead of monthly. The Moto X spent the last few months on the "February" Android security patch and only this month was updated to "May."
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The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.
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Yeah that is kind of bull**** to be honest. I agree, the speed of the Nexus update is fantastic and certainly a huge draw towards those products. Motorola has more or less been a let down with this product in a lot of areas.
dewoine said:
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
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That is some fantastic input you have there.
dewoine said:
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I agree with him because I do like my phone. Yes, would be nice to have updates but every phone has had this issue and Moto/Lenovo is no different.
I been using phone since the HTC hero so I been around the custom rom for a very long time and because of them every phone has performed better than stock. Now, pure stock is nice but I wanted to try a custom rom and the one I am currently using rocks.
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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So they just didn't commit to the monthly plan but rather on a quarterly basis. Sounds like they will still work on updates on a somewhat regular basis. It does make sense. They have migrated to the near vanilla experience which means a necessity for fewer programmers. This means the performance to dollar value will remain since it ultimately costs less to produce and maintain the product lines. Win in my opinion.
Edvin73 said:
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.
Darnell_Chat_TN said:
For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.
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If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.
TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.
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TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.
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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.
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Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.
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You and I are basically thinking alike. Our "next" phone will be a Nexus. That's what I said in the OP. I never said I'm trashing my MXP today, no way. I really like it. I dropped it and have to send it to MotoCare for repair, but can't wait to get it back. I'm just saying, my "next" phone will be a Nexus. And I did expect more timely updates, from a device running a more vanilla brand of Android. Before the MXP, I had an HTC One M7 Google Edition, it would get very timely updates. So it has been something I became accustomed to and expected with a "Pure Edition" device. I really miss the Google Edition line.
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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Never said there was a documented case. However the media created a frenzy around it which helped prompt the monthly security updates to help alleviate negative pr. Some people are not careful so doing the monthly updates may potentially help prevent any actual exploits from happening. Currently, in real life and real case scenarios, the great majority of negative security impacts on android users are due to stolen phones which do not have lock protection and remote wipe features activated and in place
I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.
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I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.
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That has been my biggest set back.
Honestly, it's very easy for Google do to monthly security updates, and it's good that they're being proactive about them after being dragged through the mud by Apple bandwagon sites and general media (along with those dubious "security research" firms) after Stagefright. They have nearly unlimited resources and get an astounding amount of advertising revenue from Android itself. But, it also helps that they created and maintain Android itself.
I do think they hurt smaller manufacturers by putting this expectation of monthly security updates in people's heads. Android manufacturers, with the exception of Samsung, usually are not flush with cash. Just recently, LG's mobile division lost over $100 million in 1 quarter alone. Unless you have a loyal fan base that looks forward to new devices year after year, like Apple and (again) Samsung, it's a difficult position to be in. I do think it's furthering Google's own agenda, however. They are very slowly herding people into the Nexus program and into the pure, ideal Google Android ecosystem. There's already a gulf in feature sets between pure AOSP and Google's AOSP-based Nexus apps; pure AOSP is looking extremely barebones these days as Google has basically abandoned the basic apps in Android (like the dialer/Phone app, for example - it got a visual overhaul, but no new features except on Nexus devices). I only have the Google dialer features on my MXPE because Google accidentally released a working version for non-Nexus devices. It's certainly not great for AOSP-based phones like the MXPE.
Eventually, though I think Google will keep Android open for the foreseeable future, I do believe they're working on a new Google-only mobile OS where they control both hardware and software elements (chip design to custom tailored, proprietary kernels and hardware drivers). I think Android served its purpose for Google: to become a dominant OS, a viable source of advertising revenue for the company, and a viable ecosystem and market for digital goods (Play Store). Those Google services and Play Store ecosystem can be implemented into any OS they create, just as it was recently made available to ChromeOS devices.
Anyway, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if any of the Android devices in your recent past were terrible or completely insecure. Because, I've seen people change opinions on good devices based solely on security updates, even though the devices in our pretty recent past didn't receive them. So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
Malware is still required to exploit many of these vulnerabilities, and I'd say the great majority do need root privileges to be most effective, which is why those elevation of privilege vulnerabilities need to be patched. Will security updates protect you from sketchy online behavior or being gullible (phishing emails, popups claiming you have a virus, etc)? Nope.
I'm fine with quarterly updates - 4 quarters, 4 "rollup" updates.
My reason for considering the Nexus is not because of security updates. I want it because it is vanilla android. I am pleased with the MXPE because it is pretty much the vanilla experience, buy with some extra features from Motorola that I actually find useful. There are only a couple of their implementations I don't use. I found LG want to bad with their stuff. To Mr Samsung is the worst for "features" as there are numerous ones, and they overload the phone with their apps, many of which do pretty much the same thing Google already does well. For my next phone Nexus is still a possibility, buy so is Motorola at the moment. Only time will tell.
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... So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
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If security is the major concern, the better option is to go Nexus and get the monthly updates. That along with other best practices. And with those updates, may also come bug fixes. So more timely updates there. Then there are pluses such as the Google Fi option. And yes, some Google apps are only kept current for Nexus devices.
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Ok, it's quite clear android is the most popular phone OS on the market at the moment but I'm beginning to believe that some of their less customer friendly strategies are making the carriers greedy. Back in the day when I was using my original blackjack each time there was an update to Winmo I knew that within a couple weeks ATT would get it my way without fail. Ever since the G1 though there's a new tactic used of course to sell more phones. Basically they can release the same exact phone with a new version of an OS or maybe a small feature (e.g. front facing camera) and sell just as much as the original. I mean why would carriers want to update your phone for you when they could sell you the exact same phone back with the newest version of android which is likely just a palette swap of the previous version? The refusal of most carriers to update their devices kicked off hard even with the initial release of android. The G1 was essentially the same phone as the MT3g except with the amazing keyboard we all fell in love with. The mytouch released months later with the exact same specs (you can even run the exact same roms on them) and yet the mytouch got an update whereas the G didn't. When people asked T-mobile where their G1 update was T-mobile said that it was not possible to run live wallpapers on such a dated device. Ever since then time and time again carriers and OEMs have let us down not because they cant do it but because they can sell us another device if they won't. A big selling point in getting the behold 2 for me was the fact that it would receive every update according to samsung... They never even built the drivers... I was stuck with a phone with a terrible UI. It happens time and time again and now similar things seem to be happening to other OSes. Blackberry is running into the same kind of thing where that more or less never happened before and I'm not ruling windows phone out just yet but I fear with greedy carriers they may end up following suit as much as I hate to admit it. The OEMs and carriers greed is killing smartphones. I mean android is open source and free, if they want to put it on a toaster they can. How hard is it to update? Really? I mean I know there's some one man teams on XDA who can do it... Dont let smartphones die.
It's not Android. It's more Google's policies. I love Google, but they have to grow some balls and tell the manufacturers that in order to be able to release an Android phone with the Google Apps, they need to release updates in X amount of months maximum after an update is delivered and they must support a phone for at least 2 OS iterations.
Forget Apple. Look at Microsoft. Windows Phone 7 isn't really for me since I like to tinker with my phone, although occasionally I wish it wasn't such a time waster. It is a great OS though. Microsoft first of all tells manufacturers that they can include custom apps, but no custom interfaces (this will never happen with Android). Then, they release an upgrade and all the phones get it. I'll admit it's a little easier since all WP7 have mostly the same parts, and definitely the same Snapdragon CPU since that's all WP7 OS supports right now. But this can totally be done by Google. I think the market is over-saturated with Android phones right now. Choice is good, but I don't want to pick up a phone and then immediately have it deemed obsolete. I mean after a while, I just want to walk away. I love Android, but it is getting kind of ridiculous. Obviously, manufacturers won't listen to us. Google is more likely to. They need to get a hold on things.
I see where you're coming ffrom, but you have to remember that companies (all companies) are here to make money. That's it. Make money.
So they'll mmake phones with skins because they get some percentage back from the phone; granted they could offer a pure Google phone but you have to remember: we aren't fhe target audience.
These phones are made for the average consumer that has the default and maybe twitter and facebook.
Of course, there will always be good pure Google phone out there to snag. I just got the Nexus 1 and ill be using this for a long time.
Hey!! This is really a great thread. I am really very impressed with your conversation.
I feel like I was played I preorderded the mytouch 3g 1.0 for $230 and now its not even sold anymore I wanna upgrade but their telling me its pretty much $300 to upgrade so you mean I get no discount.....wth? 8 years with T-Mobile and I get nothing
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butch87402 said:
I feel like I was played I preorderded the mytouch 3g 1.0 for $230 and now its not even sold anymore I wanna upgrade but their telling me its pretty much $300 to upgrade so you mean I get no discount.....wth? 8 years with T-Mobile and I get nothing
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Well, that's more a T-Mobile issue than an Android issue, but I feel your pain.
All carriers are interested in is selling contracts and phones. They don't really care about peoples experiences after that point. They certainly won't want to encourage people to hang on to the same devices for years, but i think they should obligated to support their phones for at least the duration of the warranty. Any software updates released within that period should be pushed out immediately.
Don't be anxious, when u check technology developments in the past 20 years or more. How can we tell the difference between technology innovation and hunger for money?
'Greedy' is the nature of us human beings and it give us more happy and distress.
It's not the carriers you need to be worried about. Android is a fantastic OS and I love it and have gotten into the inner workings of it lately, to realize one thing: Google drives this whole deal. And since Google makes 98% of its money off of its Adsense program, wouldn't you agree that they would like to maintain/build that as much as possible? The more Google knows about where you are, your likes and dislikes, what you search for, etc, the better they can facilitate their moneymaking process. Google Apps (Gapps) are the way they do this, and why they are not included in a 'real' open souce project. Think it's bad now? Wait till Honeycomb....I've been tweaking this for the past 3 weeks and you wouldn't believe the permission changes that are related to google. Little things that were Hardware processes before (alert me when near an open wifi) are now basically (alert google your location thru gps at all times.). Of course there are ways around it, but the avg. user won't know that. Just fyi.
If anything Apple ruined it for us.
Imagine a world without iphones.
Microsoft wouldn't have had it to copy for WP7, instead they would have had been free to release WM7, with all the features of WM, and also designed for future technologies.
Even if they had copied Android, we'd have a decent Microsoft OS for our phones unlike now.
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If anything Apple ruined it for us.
Imagine a world without iphones.
Microsoft wouldn't have had it to copy for WP7, instead they would have had been free to release WM7, with all the features of WM, and also designed for future technologies.
Even if they had copied Android, we'd have a decent Microsoft OS for our phones unlike now.
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Initially I thought you were an intelligent person one could have an adult debate with based on facts. Thank you for proving me wrong only in that sense and in no way in any of the debates.
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Initially I thought you were an intelligent person one could have an adult debate with based on facts. Thank you for proving me wrong only in that sense and in no way in any of the debates.
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You're on WP7 so apple's model has more impact on you than googles.
Are you suggesting that MS may stop deplying updates for WP7 or start allowing carriers to not deploy updates MS provide?
If not, then how exactly does google/carriers releasing new features to stimulate handset sales ruin it for WP7 or iphone users for that matter?
Carriers have always behaved this way, whatever the OS unless contractually obliged to roll out updates.
We missed out on so many updates for Nokias for instance, so this has nothing to do with google or android.
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You're on WP7 so apple's model has more impact on you than googles.
Are you suggesting that MS may stop deplying updates for WP7 or start allowing carriers to not deploy updates MS provide?
If not, then how exactly does google/carriers releasing new features to stimulate handset sales ruin it for WP7 or iphone users for that matter?
Carriers have always behaved this way, whatever the OS unless contractually obliged to roll out updates.
We missed out on so many updates for Nokias for instance, so this has nothing to do with google or android.
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Cant say I have much experience with Symbian devices but on Winmo, palm, and earlier blackberries I always got updates. Android has shown they dont need to maintain their devices to sale them and I believe that can have a negative impact on phones as a whole
The fact is it has been going on long before android came on the scene. Motorola, samsung, lg, and many others forced you to get a new handset to take advantage of new features.
The only reason to single out android is for a petty grievence.
Especially as many android handsets have recieved updates which negates your idea that android prevents this.
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The fact is it has been going on long before android came on the scene. Motorola, samsung, lg, and many others forced you to get a new handset to take advantage of new features.
The only reason to single out android is for a petty grievence.
Especially as many android handsets have recieved updates which negates your idea that android prevents this.
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It's not so much that they prevent it as it is that they dont even really suggest it. It's just like "Oh, btw heres this update. You dont have to put work forth to put it on your device but it's there if you want it. It's really the OEMs and carriers fault as I stated but the fact that android doesnt put something forth to at least suggest it is sad.
So your argument is, even though you can't stand android and won't touch it, you think it is wrong of google to not interfere with carriers and manufacturers in dictacting whether updates it produces are made available to handsets and this somehow is ruining WP7 for you, but despite this being normal practice between carriers and manufacturers since time immemorial, your singling out of android (even though phones have actually been recieving updates) rather than manufacturers or carriers is nothing at all to do with your dislike of android, right?
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So your argument is, even though you can't stand android and won't touch it, you think it is wrong of google to not interfere with carriers and manufacturers in dictacting whether updates it produces are made available to handsets and this somehow is ruining WP7 for you, but despite this being normal practice between carriers and manufacturers since time immemorial, your singling out of android (even though phones have actually been recieving updates) rather than manufacturers or carriers is nothing at all to do with your dislike of android, right?
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Never said I hated android. It's just second best now. Of course phones lose support over time but not before they even hit shelves. When the Galaxy S phones were coming out they were promised a fast update to 2.2. It only took T-mobile 6+ months of customers complaining for them to be the first to update it stateside. My old blackjack made by the exact same company was recieving its last update at the end of my contract a full two years later. The HTC touch did the same, hell even my PPC6800 would've had that not been where I started flashing roms. Android phones are burnt out and left to rot by the time they hit shelves and that is something new. I dont expect a phone to be supported forever but for them to stop support by the time it hits shelves is just sad.
T-mobile are not google/android, they're a carrier.
Android handsets have recieved updates, therefore your statement that they are left to rot by the time they hit the shelves is not true (there's a suprise).
Apple/WP7 interfere with carriers and dictate to them what updates should be released (even if they haven't thought it would be a good idea to test it before the release to carriers) therefore your suggestion that Android is ruining it for all of us is also not true (again big suprise).
Additionally, when a new version is released, it does not prevent phones running the old versions from running, nor does it prevent them accessing the thousands of apps currently in the market, again showing that android phones aren't burnt out and left to rot by the time they hit the shelves.
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T-mobile are not google/android, they're a carrier.
Android handsets have recieved updates, therefore your statement that they are left to rot by the time they hit the shelves is not true (there's a suprise).
Apple/WP7 interfere with carriers and dictate to them what updates should be released (even if they haven't thought it would be a good idea to test it before the release to carriers) therefore your suggestion that Android is ruining it for all of us is also not true (again big suprise).
Additionally, when a new version is released, it does not prevent phones running the old versions from running, nor does it prevent them accessing the thousands of apps currently in the market, again showing that android phones aren't burnt out and left to rot by the time they hit the shelves.
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Thats funny because I just flashed my G1 back to stop and I cant access a ton of the apps... I said it was the fault of the carriers and OEMs though I do wish android would at least suggest updating. I mean of all the android devices out there what percent of them do you think actually receive updates through the service providers or OEMs?
Consumer are on the loosing end ;(
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support
Android users unite, demand upgrades
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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Yeah this is true, I'd definitely have to agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Android, but there are some things I wish they would fix. Like the caller waiting feature, it should be updated to be more user friendly. Why should you have to hang up and wait for the automatic call back? They need to rebuild that part of the ui where you can.
Very interesting article. Very true also. It is a sad and troubling issue unfortunately for us. Software support and updates seem to be getting worse and worse for us Android users.
Good thing i got my nexus handset...kind of helps as at least i know google will keep rolling out the updates for at least 18 to 24 months.
The problem is with the big phone manufactures...they skin android too deep and take too long to clear up their mess in order to update the builds. Also they just want us to buy new phones every few months it seems. I intend to see my nexus s contract through to the remaining 12 months for sure. Ice Cream Sandwich looks delicious by the way!
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All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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Yeah well when we were going to get the phone it was a cheap slider dumb phone and we walked out with one of those and with froyo it brought speed increments which help on the phone and i mean my moms not the kind who even uses data just games and such
Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
ICS is too late for it, but I hope J(ellybean) functions more like a launcher and its theme. Just mass update the background OS for all phones (whether through OTA or through website), and let manufacturer/telcom update their skin independently, so that consumers don't have to wait for the (unreliable) promise from manufacturer/telcom.
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
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Are we guaranteed by policy that the phones need to be updated? If anyone can check the sales agreement, is it mentioned anything about the future software update?
I have not checked, but I think there is no such obligation from manufacturer. So, in essence they are not breaking the law. We buy a phone on what it has presently, not speculating about future enhancements.
It would be great to have manufacturers give more attention to this update issue. But I doubt anyone could hold them accountable.
It's also obvious that if any of these get updated, it would be only the premier ones, not the budget models.
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You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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You got me wrong, it is just this fact hurt your ego about the stat of updates and you see it and still don't believe it, you are the android fanboy and for that makes you blind, and your intelligence, stay stagnant like a swamp.
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You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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this is the attitude of a fanboy. "Oh, you don't like my OS? You must be a wp7/iOS fanboy."
Gotta say, I'm a fanboy for no OS and have them all but as far as hardware goes, I'm slowly becoming a Nokia fanboy
Lol z33 you really are funny. And quite the fibber.
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All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
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So do you have iOS5 installed on your iphone, iphone 3G?
Which app is exclusive to gingerbread?
I think you should go back to iphone. It looks like you've made up your mind.
As for updates, US carrier versions tend to be slower and no surprises there with all the bloatware and restrictions they have to build into the firmware
Also there are ton of posts on xda where users with 2.3.3/2.3.4 devices complain about not receiving 2.3.5 updates and same goes for 3.0/3.1 users not receiving 3.2 update without knowing what that new revision brings to the table
As corps begin to adopt smartphones, the first thing a CIO will ask, "What's the Product Life Cycle?"
3GS gets iOS5 but the Nexus One won't get ICS!? Lowe's just ordered 42,000 iPhones, I would have too. Pull your head out Google!!! It's not just the kids who want updates but the grown ups too!
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https://motog3.com/motorola-android-7-0-nougat-update/
Updated Sept 1st, not sure how reliable but says there we will be getting it!
While I would like to assume that the Moto x pure edition will get it, this article seems to be an opinion piece with little or no supporting info other than his ramblings and definitely nothing from Lenovo/Moto.
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Nice. Another garbage site with no credible info. I love how in their comments this "Motorola" author is answering questions on wether or not so and so device will get Nougat, like they're 100% sure.
Would love to see the source. Anyone can take a guess like this and have a good chance of getting it right. What got me: The G4 line "might" get the update?! WT... The phone was practically just released so unless Lenovo just really wants to destroy the Moto product line, it would be stupid not to release N for the phone.
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Would love to see the source. Anyone can take a guess like this and have a good chance of getting it right. What got me: The G4 line "might" get the update?! WT... The phone was practically just released so unless Lenovo just really wants to destroy the Moto product line, it would be stupid not to release N for the phone.
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The g4s are garbage and I spoke to a rep today and he told me to stay away from them haha a Lenovo rep said this! Bought one yesterday and the screen was all glitchy took it back today traded it out and paid the difference for the plus and same thing before even leaving the parking lot. Finally got pissed and said screw it and got a moto x pure style again. Loved this phone the first time I had it and love it now! Guernetee it gets nuoget and if it dosent.. well.. there will ALWAYS be Roms haha lol. But what I was trying to get at with the g4 phones is that's more than likely the reason they "might" get it.. I'd doubt it though honestly. Lenovo ruined the Motorola line. Ya the z is bad ass but come on man. The pure style was the best phone they had made in YEARS! Besides the Nexus 6. I'm super disappointed in the joke Lenovo has made!
Reasons to believe End of September to mid-October is the best hope to get nougat for MXPE:
- it coincides with quarterly security updates for this device
- it's about the same time difference from Google releasing marshmallow last year.
- it skipped 6.0.1 so it has just time to play with N previews.
- it's the period when the new Moto flagship will be released unlocked worldwide. That means these devices will be getting an update quickly (inclusion Verizon already offered on US) to boost sales. But also updating its previous flagship would convince customers to buy the newest flagship. I believe that sales of Moto Z international will not be good if our device does not get an update on the framework i mentioned. Didn't we all by this device because we thought it would be updated quickly?
- Finally, I believe all the hype in the media that mentions Motorola as a company that is expected to deliver fast nougat update is financed by Motorola itself. While they won't give us directly a timeframe, they use media to keep up the sales of their new and numerous line of devices. Not to forget that Moto maker still has stocks of MXPE which they want to sell, but strangely have not lowered the price since mother's day...
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Reasons to believe End of September to mid-October is the best hope to get nougat for MXPE:
- it coincides with quarterly security updates for this device
- it's about the same time difference from Google releasing marshmallow last year.
- it skipped 6.0.1 so it has just time to play with N previews.
- it's the period when the new Moto flagship will be released unlocked worldwide. That means these devices will be getting an update quickly (inclusion Verizon already offered on US) to boost sales. But also updating its previous flagship would convince customers to buy the newest flagship. I believe that sales of Moto Z international will not be good if our device does not get an update on the framework i mentioned. Didn't we all by this device because we thought it would be updated quickly?
- Finally, I believe all the hype in the media that mentions Motorola as a company that is expected to deliver fast nougat update is financed by Motorola itself. While they won't give us directly a timeframe, they use media to keep up the sales of their new and numerous line of devices. Not to forget that Moto maker still has stocks of MXPE which they want to sell, but strangely have not lowered the price since mother's day...
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Skipping the 6.0.1 update does not mean they were working on Nougat. They couldn't until the source code was released.
Wouldn't it make sense not to update an older phone until later to entice people to buy the latest and greatest device with the N update?
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Skipping the 6.0.1 update does not mean they were working on Nougat. They couldn't until the source code was released.
Wouldn't it make sense not to update an older phone until later to entice people to buy the latest and greatest device with the N update?
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My line of thought is simple: their new flagship costs almost twice it's predecessor, or even three times if you get a certain alluring mod. The only way to convince a buyer spend more money is to assure that expense is worth it on a longer term. Long term means continuity of updates in this business. But who will be convinced of that if Moto ditched our device before it reached a year (thinking latest update for us was the May security patches)..
You already have fears of not getting updates, probably because we didn't get 6.0.1! Would you think of buying a Z Droid if you know your mxpe would not get N (even if you could afford it)?
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My line of thought is simple: their new flagship costs almost twice it's predecessor, or even three times if you get a certain alluring mod. The only way to convince a buyer spend more money is to assure that expense is worth it on a longer term. Long term means continuity of updates in this business. But who will be convinced of that if Moto ditched our device before it reached a year (thinking latest update for us was the May security patches)..
You already have fears of not getting updates, probably because we didn't get 6.0.1! Would you think of buying a Z Droid if you know your mxpe would not get N (even if you could afford it)?
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There is some logic there and it is a theory used in the world of business. On the same token, my theory of updating the MXPE later is also a practice by businesses. Now it will just depend on what theory of business Lenovo decided to use.
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Skipping the 6.0.1 update does not mean they were working on Nougat. They couldn't until the source code was released.
Wouldn't it make sense not to update an older phone until later to entice people to buy the latest and greatest device with the N update?
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I would think that Google gives out the source code to large OEMs before they release it to the general public so some of the later Q3 devices can all run the new version. Also, Moto built their reputation on relatively quick software updates for their supported phones, and I don't think Lenovo would mess with that image too much as to not hurt current sales.
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There is some logic there and it is a theory used in the world of business. On the same token, my theory of updating the MXPE later is also a practice by businesses. Now it will just depend on what theory of business Lenovo decided to use.
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Oh well, i think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that the Z will be upgraded after MXPE. I actually think once the Z will be available worldwide it will get the N update to boost sales. I'm only saying that it would be difficult to convince people to buy an expensive phone unless they have a guarantee it will be a long investment. Updating quickly the XPE should give that guarantee that even Z will be maintained after its one year anniversary.
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https://motog3.com/motorola-android-7-0-nougat-update/
Updated Sept 1st, not sure how reliable but says there we will be getting it!
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That motog3 site is just an pile of advertisements and SEO bait. It's not legit.
After dealing with Moto/Lenovo support a few times, my impression is that Lenovo is struggling to appear like they know what they're doing. Their repair program is musical chairs, tech support doesn't know what's going on, and they haven't been able to maintain the software. Even if they've outsourced Nougat, I doubt they've purchased any followup bug fixes.
I just saw that CM14 7.0 dropped for the Android One, Oneplus 3 and a few others today. That should help things along a bit. Once it exists, as it now does, it usually makes it's way to other devices pretty quickly. :fingers-crossed:
i want ask ... i don't know if my question is stupid or not LooL
if lenovo dont include our MOTO X phone to update list
can the Rom developer here make custom ROM with N Update? or they need something from lenovo (like permission or code) ?
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I would think that Google gives out the source code to large OEMs before they release it to the general public so some of the later Q3 devices can all run the new version. Also, Moto built their reputation on relatively quick software updates for their supported phones, and I don't think Lenovo would mess with that image too much as to not hurt current sales.
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But you should believe @Zekial When Moto, was a Google Company, and not official bought by lenovo, they update their smartphones very fast, Nexus 5 receive Lollipop after Moto X . Now Moto sucks, only this week in germany they update their phones to 6.0.1 (security update from may ).
Pure will be updated for N, when is the problem, could be this year or in the next.
Here's a bit of confirmed news
https://in.news.yahoo.com/android-7-0-nougat-schedule-160203008.html
dammit, and i just rooted my phone finally today.
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Here's a bit of confirmed news
https://in.news.yahoo.com/android-7-0-nougat-schedule-160203008.html
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I don't think that article tells us anything we don't already know. I read it yesterday and it just says "should" and "probably" with no sources.
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Here's a bit of confirmed news
https://in.news.yahoo.com/android-7-0-nougat-schedule-160203008.html
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Just another fluff article... zero information, just speculation and opinion.
The "news" now on neurigedget... Hmm
not officially confirmed
http://neurogadget.net/2016/09/24/m...tedly-get-android-nougat-update-october/40315
Meanwhile, the Moto X Play, Moto X Style, and Moto X Force, will receive the update on November.
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First hello to everyone,
I was wondering if this time will be the same as it was with G6 so I asked support and they answerd this
I qoute
Good afternoon Alen,*
Thank you for your query regarding your LG G7;*
I have had a look into this for you and sadly as we are an in warranty repair centre this is not something that we get advance notice on. As LG handsets only got Android 8 a few months ago I am guessing that this would be at some point in the early quarter of next year.*
Once the android version is created it then has to go to the individual manufacturers who then test for compatibility and will rework anything which causes issues and then the testing on handsets begins and I am led to believe that this is a length process.*
The likely hood is that the update will be on the handsets before we even know that it has been released.*
So when it comes to update, even with "lg's new update center" thing will be the same.
And to be clear i don't hate or something, I am okey with my device preformances this is more discussion type post cuz as i remember lg said that this new center sill get us update faster and clearly thats not the case
Sorry for typos
There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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I could not agree more to this. Software upgrades are a nice thing if they take the time to run it stable. I prefer stable software and better security above that. Thats why i left Sony for one reason tru unstable releases that took long time to fix or not and a phone that loose hes full functuality with crashes or connection problems at most important times is a pain.Untill now my G6 did fine and my G7.Be patient and be happy your G7 is a trusty companion on the way.
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This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
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There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
Support rarely if ever gets any info about things like software releases up until they actually come out. Until LG actually makes a statement it is best to just be patient.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
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Even my G7+ (India Variant) is on june security patch. At least security updates have to be released if not OS updates. Every money transfer is don't online nowadays, LG should take it seriously. Also there is still no 4k 60 fps update that rest of the world got.
Android P on the G7? Don't hold your breath. At the earliest, I'd say March of 2019. More realistically is May/June however. LG is quite terrible with Android updates.
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This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
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Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
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Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Yeah unfortunately I was stuck with tmobile. I agree the pixel is the way to go.
The only issue I have with the Pixel is Google using it to push there cloud storage. That's why they won't put SD card slots on them. And I'm sorry but despite the fact it's 2018 we are still not a 100% connected world, not to mention at least in the US almost every carrier has data limits. Plus there are some that don't want to put everything they own up in the cloud. SD card storage is really the only reason I won't buy a Pixel.
And don't even mention USB-c adapters, I shouldn't have to carry around extra crap for more storage!
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Apple have good products but not good for 1000 $ or more. They do update older models but we all know that they also made older phones go slower and there was problems with battery drain ect.
I am from Bosnia so here Iphones are really expensive and i mean it. Also Pixel is just a little bit cheaper.
I really like LG phones, after my HTC I had G4 G5 G6 and now G7. If I hadnt drop my G6 and brooke it I wouldnt even go to G7.
For the money you get good quality phone, nice specs and I dont mind ux cuz i am not fan of that rounded look on stock android.
I went and took Huawei p20 after my g6 and I had it for a day then returned it give more money and bought G7 cuz p20 is like toy compared to g7.
And even updates are not that big of a deal for me but what i mind is that they promised that big update center for faster updates and now not that we wont get android 9 for a while but as you guys said we are still on july patch.
I know that its better to wait for stable versions but they could be more efficiant with patches.
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sooner then u think
Take a look
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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thx buddy
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Hi, how did u installed this custom rom?
Anyway, official Android Pie looks to be way forward from now. LG V40 was just released, with Android 8.1 .....
On the bright side, for those with smart watches using Google Wear so was Wear OS 2.0 just released and it is entirely based on 8.0 Oreo. I suppose handsets with Android 8.0 will have a more bug free experience using those watches.
Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite meets the Android Enterprise Recommended Device requirements.
https://androidenterprisepartners.withgoogle.com/device/#!/4812862572724224
This means Xiaomi should release the update within 90 days at the latest.
Example:
Android 10 v11.0.4 comes with March security update.
March 1 - April 1 / 1 month
April 1 - May 1 / 1 month
May 1 - June 1 / 1 month
Xiaomi cant release the new security update at June 2.
So they have left 13 days for the new update.
Learn more:
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They don't really care about deadlines anymore as this phone will no longer get any system updates in 2 month as the 2 year support ends.
Think so as well, no more updates for this device. Will be left with a buggy Android 10 experience.
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Think so as well, no more updates for this device. Will be left with a buggy Android 10 experience.
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I didn't say that we not getting updates anymore ,it's just they don't care about deadlines ... We probably get 1 or 2 system updates as they fixed the buggy Android 10 on mi a3. On that phone they pulled the update like 4 times and managed to fix it on the 5th version....
We will get 3,4 update in our a.s from xiaomi. We get so many updates for oreo and pie and they fix nothing, only new problems with new updates or i say security patches. For me i dont care about new versions of android, any stable version is good, but xiaomi wont to fix anything. My wife use redmi 5 plus almost 2 year without any bug, any restart, lag,.... That phone is same like a2 lite (specification) only a2 lite is google phone and redmi 5 plus is miui. And every miui phones works like charm. So xioami dont give a f... about google phones.
It is clear that they have no interest in the "Android one" program, I dare say that they never miss an opportunity to "sabotage" it continuously with fallacious version advances and security patches that instead of solving the problems add others
That fact that this device meets the requirements for Android Enterprise means nothing for us, customers, since that service is made specifically for companies and not individuals, so don't confuse the terms Android One and Android Enterprise. Don't read whatever makes you feel comfortable and try to post it as a fact. The following statements are made not to argue with the fact that Xiaomi/Google/Qualcomm doesn't give a damn about this device and the latest updates were horrendous, it is to fix the false information posted about this device. I want to make this statement at the beginning of my argument because I am not in any way protecting Xiaomi, but I can't stand false information based on reading 3 words and not understanding them properly.
Android Enterprise is and I quote "Android Enterprise Recommended rugged devices are designed to perform in harsh working conditions and stay up to date over long deployments. ... These devices can be used by a single employee or shared between employees."
To translate that to you folks, this doesn't apply to any of you, or us. This is directed towards the enterprise businesses which can control the devices of a company, like deploying apps, collecting data and so on. Just like some companies still use handheld devices on the field running some enterprise windows mobile/ce custom version for their company, they have a special set of features over those devices which normal customers don't have. Now do you understand the difference between customer and employee? When you buy a device that you fully own, you are a customer and you fully own the device and it's capabilities, when you are an employee and the company gives you this device you don't own it, an the company reserves the right to modify the device content and behavior based on their needs. Also the enterprise version only imply ONE version upgrade from factory version and 5 years of max 90 days security updates, which is different from what was stated in the leaflet that came with the phone.
Now for customers and not enterprise/employees there is the standard Android One program. A stock android experience, forbid to major skinning/customization with 2 year OS updates (which implies 2 versions of Android from stock/out of the box since Android is launched once a year) and three years android security updates and bugfixes. I would also go a step further to note that this is a minimum time obligation, no one is forcing them not to release a 3rd or a 4th major update for the device, but that would be contrary of the saying "you won't buy something new unless the old one is obsolete". Now back to the track, so you get 2 year os updates, which is a fancy way to say that you'll get 2 android version updates and bonus you get one more year of security updates for the last version you got. You don't add up 2+3 and for sure the 3rd year is still enforced by google!
Now, I'll tell you why the information stated in OP is false. As we established, Enterprise must be updated at least once per 90 days... Good, that's correct and fair... But, the Android One program is enforced to MONTHLY updates, not 3 months updates. And my source is and I quote directly from the android security directive website "We have an established monthly update cycle for Pixel devices, as well as those under the Android One program." and to enforce the enterprise I also quote "In addition, Android Enterprise Recommended devices are updated at least every 90 days."
So, as you can see, Xiaomi is way over their heads with this specific device. This specific device was not once, but twice way behind schedule and the penalties from Google may start to show up soon, but it may be us, the end users, the customers who'll feel the full force of those penalties. Even if the .04 version fixed the bricking problem, it's still miles away from being a good and functional build, many of the basic functions to work you have to give up on other functions, and sometimes, even some 3rd party apps can mess up the inner workings of the system. This is just wrong and I totally hope to see some improvements, hell, just make one good build and abandon it for god's sake, but don't make us experience new bugs with every update... We... and also I craved the 10 update because of many reasons... but for me, this specific version of 10 that we got, it's just a broken pie with gestures and dark mode... this isn't what google promised when developing 10, and this is not what Xiaomi promised when they enrolled in the Android One program.
But hell, again, maybe OP is right, maybe the Android Enterprise program is giving them an escape window to delay the Android updates for ~3 months... but we will see... I was eagerly waiting for an update on Monday... that day passed, the next day passed... and we're on to the end of the month... when we're going to get probably another half-assed update, with the April or May security patch... and maybe a few bugfixes that would only make us wait eagerly for the next update as well.
Honestly I miss the days when devices were built with one thing in mind, customer satisfaction. When the devices were built to simply work, and when updates, as rare as they were were actually improving your device experience, not crippling it. Now they have to find problems to fix just to release a monthly update, because updates are cool aren't they? No, they are not... The full functionality of the device is cool...
I hope I made my point, and I hope I don't upset anyone with stating my opinion based on facts. I was contradicted many times on this forum, and maybe my approach on the subject was wrong, but when you judge something, you have to always be objective, and always state the facts over feelings. I know most of us are upset and angry with the state of our devices, which is understandable and well based, but yelling our frustrations without understanding how things work isn't going to cut it.