Xiaomi Mi A2 Lite meets the Android Enterprise Recommended Device requirements.
https://androidenterprisepartners.withgoogle.com/device/#!/4812862572724224
This means Xiaomi should release the update within 90 days at the latest.
Example:
Android 10 v11.0.4 comes with March security update.
March 1 - April 1 / 1 month
April 1 - May 1 / 1 month
May 1 - June 1 / 1 month
Xiaomi cant release the new security update at June 2.
So they have left 13 days for the new update.
Learn more:
https://www.android.com/intl/en_us/enterprise/recommended/
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They don't really care about deadlines anymore as this phone will no longer get any system updates in 2 month as the 2 year support ends.
Think so as well, no more updates for this device. Will be left with a buggy Android 10 experience.
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Think so as well, no more updates for this device. Will be left with a buggy Android 10 experience.
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I didn't say that we not getting updates anymore ,it's just they don't care about deadlines ... We probably get 1 or 2 system updates as they fixed the buggy Android 10 on mi a3. On that phone they pulled the update like 4 times and managed to fix it on the 5th version....
We will get 3,4 update in our a.s from xiaomi. We get so many updates for oreo and pie and they fix nothing, only new problems with new updates or i say security patches. For me i dont care about new versions of android, any stable version is good, but xiaomi wont to fix anything. My wife use redmi 5 plus almost 2 year without any bug, any restart, lag,.... That phone is same like a2 lite (specification) only a2 lite is google phone and redmi 5 plus is miui. And every miui phones works like charm. So xioami dont give a f... about google phones.
It is clear that they have no interest in the "Android one" program, I dare say that they never miss an opportunity to "sabotage" it continuously with fallacious version advances and security patches that instead of solving the problems add others
That fact that this device meets the requirements for Android Enterprise means nothing for us, customers, since that service is made specifically for companies and not individuals, so don't confuse the terms Android One and Android Enterprise. Don't read whatever makes you feel comfortable and try to post it as a fact. The following statements are made not to argue with the fact that Xiaomi/Google/Qualcomm doesn't give a damn about this device and the latest updates were horrendous, it is to fix the false information posted about this device. I want to make this statement at the beginning of my argument because I am not in any way protecting Xiaomi, but I can't stand false information based on reading 3 words and not understanding them properly.
Android Enterprise is and I quote "Android Enterprise Recommended rugged devices are designed to perform in harsh working conditions and stay up to date over long deployments. ... These devices can be used by a single employee or shared between employees."
To translate that to you folks, this doesn't apply to any of you, or us. This is directed towards the enterprise businesses which can control the devices of a company, like deploying apps, collecting data and so on. Just like some companies still use handheld devices on the field running some enterprise windows mobile/ce custom version for their company, they have a special set of features over those devices which normal customers don't have. Now do you understand the difference between customer and employee? When you buy a device that you fully own, you are a customer and you fully own the device and it's capabilities, when you are an employee and the company gives you this device you don't own it, an the company reserves the right to modify the device content and behavior based on their needs. Also the enterprise version only imply ONE version upgrade from factory version and 5 years of max 90 days security updates, which is different from what was stated in the leaflet that came with the phone.
Now for customers and not enterprise/employees there is the standard Android One program. A stock android experience, forbid to major skinning/customization with 2 year OS updates (which implies 2 versions of Android from stock/out of the box since Android is launched once a year) and three years android security updates and bugfixes. I would also go a step further to note that this is a minimum time obligation, no one is forcing them not to release a 3rd or a 4th major update for the device, but that would be contrary of the saying "you won't buy something new unless the old one is obsolete". Now back to the track, so you get 2 year os updates, which is a fancy way to say that you'll get 2 android version updates and bonus you get one more year of security updates for the last version you got. You don't add up 2+3 and for sure the 3rd year is still enforced by google!
Now, I'll tell you why the information stated in OP is false. As we established, Enterprise must be updated at least once per 90 days... Good, that's correct and fair... But, the Android One program is enforced to MONTHLY updates, not 3 months updates. And my source is and I quote directly from the android security directive website "We have an established monthly update cycle for Pixel devices, as well as those under the Android One program." and to enforce the enterprise I also quote "In addition, Android Enterprise Recommended devices are updated at least every 90 days."
So, as you can see, Xiaomi is way over their heads with this specific device. This specific device was not once, but twice way behind schedule and the penalties from Google may start to show up soon, but it may be us, the end users, the customers who'll feel the full force of those penalties. Even if the .04 version fixed the bricking problem, it's still miles away from being a good and functional build, many of the basic functions to work you have to give up on other functions, and sometimes, even some 3rd party apps can mess up the inner workings of the system. This is just wrong and I totally hope to see some improvements, hell, just make one good build and abandon it for god's sake, but don't make us experience new bugs with every update... We... and also I craved the 10 update because of many reasons... but for me, this specific version of 10 that we got, it's just a broken pie with gestures and dark mode... this isn't what google promised when developing 10, and this is not what Xiaomi promised when they enrolled in the Android One program.
But hell, again, maybe OP is right, maybe the Android Enterprise program is giving them an escape window to delay the Android updates for ~3 months... but we will see... I was eagerly waiting for an update on Monday... that day passed, the next day passed... and we're on to the end of the month... when we're going to get probably another half-assed update, with the April or May security patch... and maybe a few bugfixes that would only make us wait eagerly for the next update as well.
Honestly I miss the days when devices were built with one thing in mind, customer satisfaction. When the devices were built to simply work, and when updates, as rare as they were were actually improving your device experience, not crippling it. Now they have to find problems to fix just to release a monthly update, because updates are cool aren't they? No, they are not... The full functionality of the device is cool...
I hope I made my point, and I hope I don't upset anyone with stating my opinion based on facts. I was contradicted many times on this forum, and maybe my approach on the subject was wrong, but when you judge something, you have to always be objective, and always state the facts over feelings. I know most of us are upset and angry with the state of our devices, which is understandable and well based, but yelling our frustrations without understanding how things work isn't going to cut it.
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I just read this article, a good eye opener for those craving for ICS
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2394929,00.asp
Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right. Compared to the grinding misery of the Android non-update schedule, Microsoft's transition from Windows Phone 7 to Mango is going pretty smoothly.
Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different OEMs and get its software approved by carriers. Like Google, Microsoft has to deal with different form factors—phones with physical keyboards and without, for instance.
Yes, Apple gets it right too, but that's a little boring; Apple has only one OEM (itself) and a handful of models, so it's much easier to push out updates to iPhones and iPads.
Earlier this year, Google and its OEMs formed a consortium to pledge to deliver prompt updates, but absolutely zero concrete work has come out of that group. Every single U.S. Windows Phone will update to Mango within weeks. Two-year-old iPhones can get iOS 5. But owners of Android phones and tablets just a few months old have no clue when, or whether their gadgets will get Ice Cream Sandwich (or for that matter, sometimes still even Gingerbread.)
Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset, and doesn't allow manufacturers to skin the OS. I don't want to see Google take on the first requirement, as competition between chip manufacturers has been a major force driving Android's advances. But even if one chipset at a time got Android updates, it would still be a major step forward.
If manufacturer skins are really stopping updates, it may finally be time for Google to find a way to punish OEMs that can't keep up with the pace of change. Google likes to trumpet its openy-ness, but the company has always blessed and punished OEMs by giving or withholding the Android Market and Gmail apps that are necessary to have a decent Android device. Google needs to set a time limit for OEMs to implement changes.
Ice Cream Sandwich looks great. So when can we get it, how can we find apps for it, and how can app developers address the widest variety of Android devices easily? That's what Google needs to answer clearly and concisely.
and it made me think alot.
I'm an android fan, but i feel this author's opinion is quite true.
whats the point of having a good and new OS but its just available on a over priced nexus phone?
android updates are slow (i mean around 6 months or probably never). and silly manufacturers are further delaying it by their custom UI. This is just sad sad news for android.
i better stop reading news about ICS, just to make myself less miserable.
in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
I agree, that's probably the biggest stumbling block of Android. When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
One thing though, Microsoft controls the hardware specs of WP7 phones very closely. Sure there's differences here and there, but not as far reaching as a Galaxy 3 vs a Galaxy S2.
Well, heres my opinion about this subject:
No, it will not make things worst, i have been using android since donut with an HTC Magic, from which i had tried 2.1 and 2.2. Never resourcing from HTC's official releases.
I'll put it simple, for someone who needs a smartphone, almost every verion of android will do, you get to manage emails on the go, music, photos, market+apps, you get the point.
Now for someone that takes "what version of android i'm running" into consideration, there are solutions to run the latest. Me for example, i do take it into consideration, and i'm running 2.3.5 on a LG2X which only has 2.2 officially.
If this was real reality, what about X86 OS's? i mean, win3.1, win95, win98, win98ME, win2K, winXP, winVISTA, win7 and now win8... And im only talking about microsoft.
Theres no such thing has fragmentation. As for the development problems regarding which target android version will "I" develop to. Cmon, theres good coding or bad coding. OFC theres some API's that are only available since version X of the android version, but still, good coding would prevent the use of this API even if it means having less functionality.
I believe android is in the right track, ICS looks to have some nice improvements, although the main development i saw was design ("Make me awesome"), i believe there has been some improvements regarding stability+smoothness+usability.
Next stop is: "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right." Wait a second, google has made the most successful mobile OS and it needs to look to Microsoft for *whatever*?
"Yes, Apple gets it right too" No! if in Sascha's opinion Fragmentation is a problem, Apple is having the same issue, but it is coming later than android, mainly due to the 23454345672384 OEM's android has versus the 1 OEM Apple has! I mean, 1 oem, 1 OS = iPhone, iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS, iPhone 4, iPhone 4S, iPod Touch Xgen, iPad, iPad 2.. FFS! fragmentation? a single oem has made more devices than most android OEM's has! (not true, but quite)
[EDIT] Sorry im berserking.
"Microsoft keeps its Windows Phone line down to one screen resolution and chipset" if this was done in the Android habitat, there would be no sense in making different versions, varying prices, and so on. Fragmentation is good in some aspects, one of them being the different prices devices can get.
As for the version and updates problem, how about attacking the OEM's itself instead of Google? Since google is the main "victim" of this article, google has made all it can do to get it "corrected" (if this is a problem) and it even does not own the OEM's companies! All phones launched by google have had some nice updates, keeping it with the most recent OS all the time. (Yes i'm talking about the nexus lineup, Nexus One is 2 years old, so i guess it will not get ICS, still iphone 2G will not get iOS 5 neither.)
[EDIT2] Now i'm haywire.
Just take a look at the article comments, the writer ends up having no arguments. FFS He's calling WP7 an example for updates! saying that the OS provider has the obligation the get OEM's in line...NO! thats the good thing about Android, it is free, free to use, and free to transform. Every OEM is responsible for what they do with the devices they sell, and the OS they ship it with.
Thats like saying that my Dinossaur pc doesn't run windows 7 and call it Microsoft's fault, because my PC only have 96MB of Ram! Isn't that almost Apple-fanboy talk? The os provider must develop the HW for it to run properly.
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When Apple fanboys say, "When Apple releases iOS 5, most iPhones (3GS onwards) can join in the party immediately. With Android, you have to wait and you might not even get the update at all", I have no response to that, because they are right.
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That is true, except for one thing. There is a response.
If you want iOS, you have the choice of black or white. If you want Android then you have the choice of hundreds of different devices. It's a trade-off that I am more than happy with. I prefer choice over regular updates, especially when the OS is already good enough anyway.
Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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Usually you get leaked firmwares before official release anyway. So I don't see the issue.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs. Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
Sorry but there's no apple fanboy like Joshua Toposlky, he is the only one in the world (sarcasm =P) that can see the bright side of both sides of the war.
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I don't think that's a valid point since only a small minority of Android users know about xda and the fact that you can flash ROMs.
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Thats why i did say that for a smartphone user, every android version will sufice.
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Every iPhone user in the world will know about OTA updates.
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This is almost not noticeable in the android environment because of the OEM's, not google's fault
[EDIT] OMFG! Now this is stupid, this is SO STUPID! Check this out, he makes a table of the new features that the new iOS can do, an compares it to other OS's... so lets start:
Location Based Reminders: Only iOS
Quick Camera Acess: iOS and WP7
Advanced Photo Editing tools: Only iOS
Advanced Voice Commands: Only iOS
My answer to this is: I am not going to open another URL coming from PCmag
The way Android works is that Google do not have that much control over it after the OS is designed, it gets open-sourced then it is down to each individual OEM to build a rom and get their carrier partners to approve it.
Google have deliberately chosen to not do it the more formal way as it will defeat the entire original purpose that android had.
Obviously there is more complicated steps in the process when it comes to the licencing of Gapps....
However google and the other major partners have expressed their wish to reduce fragmentation and move to ICS as soon as possible, but that article was right in that we have not been given any strict words. However any phone currently running android 2.3 and is still getting worked on (i.e. not EOL) should receive an ICS update. I know that samsung are working on very quick timetables and the SGS2 rom should be out very quickly, but based on the past experience companies like HTC may take a very long time.
in WP7 Microsoft give a rom to the OEMS to do very minor tweaks, this is then approved and released.
I think what people are missing
Here guys is the fact that android os is the only open source os out of three three majors!
This means that u don't really need the oems to have latest up to date os version. As we can c clearly in the case of cynogenmod project. Moreover, the android build it's reputation on being the most comprehensive os with most capabilities to consume the most of the hardware. This is a big plus for everybody.
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in my country, malaysia, the sgs2 is still at 2.3.3. which is another reason to forget about the ICS.
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I have just read this now, and i must say WTF? what you mean? you want 2.3.7? You have officially the latest released Android version, and you call it "still"?
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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Ray1, i'm not upset, don't get me wrong =P i just thought you were saying that you wanted ICS now, and that you were frustraded that you didn't had. i'm only upset by PCMAG by it's acumulated stupidity.
As for the updates, there are a lot of 2.3.4/5 roms in the SGSII development sub-forum, why dont you try to flash one?
Another thing about firmware and OEM's updates:
When i buy a car, i dont expect it to be upgraded when the next generation of engines are released. When i buy a car i bought it because i needed it or i wanted it as it was being sold.
If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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If you want the latest hardware in your phones, then don't expect to have the latest software.
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This doesn't make a lot of sense
Ray1 said:
I'm sorry i offended you. Please dont get upset.
but the upgrading firmware or version is very frustrating.
i saw in youtube and other tech website that the latest gingerbread is 2.3.5,
2.3.4 suppose to have the video call in google talk
2.3.5 suppose to have better battery life.
(i hope i'm not mistaken)
dont you feel its sad? i spend a big BIG sum of money to buy this phone (RM2099), and naturally i expect it will have good support. OTA updates should be ideal, KIES is acceptable as well, but 2.3.5 is no where to be seen even on KIES.
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There is no Google talk video call in 2.3.4 nor 2.3.5..
the fact that the author wrote "Google needs to look to Microsoft as an example of how to get updates right" made him lose any ounce of credibility that he had (if he had any to begin with.)
they released WP 7 without half of the proven needs on a smartphone (eg. cut and paste), released an "update" which was basically a primer for your phone to be able to OTA update when the new "patch" was released. and it didn't even adress the issues that had people *****ing about the phone. Mango was promised to be released last year, and it's already october 2011. I got rid of my windows phone within 3 months of buying on.
so what if apple releases iOS 5 to all iphone users? half of them probably doesn't even know what's on the new OS. the other half are still marvelling over siri as some technological breakthrough. it has got to be the most boring OS i've seen. everyone holding an iOS phone/tablet/ipod looks the same as the other person holding it. oh great, you can change the wallpaper...whoopdiedoo...and buy a 200 dollar case for it! wowie.
i was a loyal windows mobile user for many many years, having used them since O2 still manufactured awesome products. I loved it for how much I could customize it to suit how I'd like it to be. I'm not paying 1000 bucks and have the company tell me how I should want it to look. I'm sorry, but a homescreen with 16 icons on it just doesn't look appealing to me. I have been blown away by what the android OS can do.
how ICS release can be bad for android users baffles me. I bet the author was wetting himself when apple launched the white iphone.
This ''issue'' can be avoided by installing CM7. This way your phone is like a nexus and has the latest updates.
Umm this isn't really google's fault by any means; whether or not ICS comes to our devices is up to the manufacturers, and it's is up to us as consumers to let them know that we don't want a customized UI, but standard android instead.
Vote with your wallets and send manufacturers complaint letters and you shall have what you wish for. Just look at the locked boot loaders issue as an example of what can be done when enough people complain and commit to a cause.
1) don't rely on Official Roms all the time, plenty of leaks for 2.3.4 and 2.3.5 have surfaced
2) Just because you are not yet on 2.3.4 doesn't mean you won't get ICS, you don't have to go up every single OS step in order...
Again Android liberty. You can pick the OEM. If you want the fastest update buy a nexus. Slower OEMs will sell lesser product in the future. And I didn't get the idea of the article. Is limiting the OSs with resolution and chips a good thing? If so what are we doing here?
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Hi all,
I've been an Android user for about 4 years, and in that period I've had 4 phones (2 Moto, 1 Samsung and 1 Sony).
I understand the concept of programmed obsolescence, but this is ridiculous. My current phone, the Sony Xperia S, was released in Feb' 2012. Android 4.2 was released only 10 months later, but the Xperia S didn't get it. It should have been supported for 18 months, but Android 4.3 came out 15 months after it was released and it didn't get it either. Between the time I got the phone and a version of Android was out that it didn't get there were no more than a few weeks.
It was the exact same story with my Moto Milestones (1&2) and my Galaxy.
So even though I'm a big Android advocate, I'm really sick of this negligence. It's not that I always want the latest OS version for OCD reasons - I'm not an update freak or anything - but in each of those cases there were clear bugs or features that were simply left behind. I've had an iPad for a couple of years now and it's still getting updates and running anything from the Store - whereas my laggy Galaxy Tab 10.1 is left lying around most of the time, with a whole bunch of newer app versions that are "not compatible with your device". I don't want to switch to Apple for my phone, but my patience with these OS updates is running thin. I've tried custom ROMs with every one of my phones, but you really end up getting tired of the inevitable bugs and constant updating and flashing.
I was decided to get a Nexus 5, but then I read that the Nexus S did not get Android 4.2, which came out just 20 months after it was released. That's too little, considering most people buy their phones at least a few months after its release. That means that the average Nexus S buyer was only running the latest Android version for about a year - and it's a Nexus phone we're talking about here.
I know Google Play Edition phone makers commit themselves to updating their OSs for 18 months after they've been released. But I guess different manufacturers have different track records. I've looked around a little bit but I didn't find a thread that compiles that sort of information. I think this is a big deal and the Android user community should value OEMs that are careful about future-proofing their devices (even if "future" in this case means just a couple of years). But that's hard to keep track of, with so many models and manufacturers out there.
So I thought I'd ask everyone here how long they've owned their devices until it stopped receiving Android updates. Looking up release dates and last Android version isn't that useful because release dates & actual availability are 2 different things.
If I get enough data out of this I'll build a nice looking set of bar and pie charts with some sexy-ass bell curves to let people read this information and favor OEMs that are more careful about this.
Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
Motorola says it is "more efficient" to bundle security updates into fewer releases.
RON AMADEO - 7/26/2016, 2:24 PM
Motorola has clarified the update situation of the Moto Z and Moto G4, calling Android's monthly security updates "difficult" and deciding not to commit to them.
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For the future of security updates at the Lenovo-owned Motorola, we look to the 2015 Moto X, which has been receiving Android security updates about once a quarter instead of monthly. The Moto X spent the last few months on the "February" Android security patch and only this month was updated to "May."
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The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
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Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.
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Yeah that is kind of bull**** to be honest. I agree, the speed of the Nexus update is fantastic and certainly a huge draw towards those products. Motorola has more or less been a let down with this product in a lot of areas.
dewoine said:
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
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That is some fantastic input you have there.
dewoine said:
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I agree with him because I do like my phone. Yes, would be nice to have updates but every phone has had this issue and Moto/Lenovo is no different.
I been using phone since the HTC hero so I been around the custom rom for a very long time and because of them every phone has performed better than stock. Now, pure stock is nice but I wanted to try a custom rom and the one I am currently using rocks.
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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So they just didn't commit to the monthly plan but rather on a quarterly basis. Sounds like they will still work on updates on a somewhat regular basis. It does make sense. They have migrated to the near vanilla experience which means a necessity for fewer programmers. This means the performance to dollar value will remain since it ultimately costs less to produce and maintain the product lines. Win in my opinion.
Edvin73 said:
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.
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For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.
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If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.
TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.
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TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.
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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.
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Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.
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You and I are basically thinking alike. Our "next" phone will be a Nexus. That's what I said in the OP. I never said I'm trashing my MXP today, no way. I really like it. I dropped it and have to send it to MotoCare for repair, but can't wait to get it back. I'm just saying, my "next" phone will be a Nexus. And I did expect more timely updates, from a device running a more vanilla brand of Android. Before the MXP, I had an HTC One M7 Google Edition, it would get very timely updates. So it has been something I became accustomed to and expected with a "Pure Edition" device. I really miss the Google Edition line.
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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Never said there was a documented case. However the media created a frenzy around it which helped prompt the monthly security updates to help alleviate negative pr. Some people are not careful so doing the monthly updates may potentially help prevent any actual exploits from happening. Currently, in real life and real case scenarios, the great majority of negative security impacts on android users are due to stolen phones which do not have lock protection and remote wipe features activated and in place
I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.
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I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.
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That has been my biggest set back.
Honestly, it's very easy for Google do to monthly security updates, and it's good that they're being proactive about them after being dragged through the mud by Apple bandwagon sites and general media (along with those dubious "security research" firms) after Stagefright. They have nearly unlimited resources and get an astounding amount of advertising revenue from Android itself. But, it also helps that they created and maintain Android itself.
I do think they hurt smaller manufacturers by putting this expectation of monthly security updates in people's heads. Android manufacturers, with the exception of Samsung, usually are not flush with cash. Just recently, LG's mobile division lost over $100 million in 1 quarter alone. Unless you have a loyal fan base that looks forward to new devices year after year, like Apple and (again) Samsung, it's a difficult position to be in. I do think it's furthering Google's own agenda, however. They are very slowly herding people into the Nexus program and into the pure, ideal Google Android ecosystem. There's already a gulf in feature sets between pure AOSP and Google's AOSP-based Nexus apps; pure AOSP is looking extremely barebones these days as Google has basically abandoned the basic apps in Android (like the dialer/Phone app, for example - it got a visual overhaul, but no new features except on Nexus devices). I only have the Google dialer features on my MXPE because Google accidentally released a working version for non-Nexus devices. It's certainly not great for AOSP-based phones like the MXPE.
Eventually, though I think Google will keep Android open for the foreseeable future, I do believe they're working on a new Google-only mobile OS where they control both hardware and software elements (chip design to custom tailored, proprietary kernels and hardware drivers). I think Android served its purpose for Google: to become a dominant OS, a viable source of advertising revenue for the company, and a viable ecosystem and market for digital goods (Play Store). Those Google services and Play Store ecosystem can be implemented into any OS they create, just as it was recently made available to ChromeOS devices.
Anyway, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if any of the Android devices in your recent past were terrible or completely insecure. Because, I've seen people change opinions on good devices based solely on security updates, even though the devices in our pretty recent past didn't receive them. So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
Malware is still required to exploit many of these vulnerabilities, and I'd say the great majority do need root privileges to be most effective, which is why those elevation of privilege vulnerabilities need to be patched. Will security updates protect you from sketchy online behavior or being gullible (phishing emails, popups claiming you have a virus, etc)? Nope.
I'm fine with quarterly updates - 4 quarters, 4 "rollup" updates.
My reason for considering the Nexus is not because of security updates. I want it because it is vanilla android. I am pleased with the MXPE because it is pretty much the vanilla experience, buy with some extra features from Motorola that I actually find useful. There are only a couple of their implementations I don't use. I found LG want to bad with their stuff. To Mr Samsung is the worst for "features" as there are numerous ones, and they overload the phone with their apps, many of which do pretty much the same thing Google already does well. For my next phone Nexus is still a possibility, buy so is Motorola at the moment. Only time will tell.
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... So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
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If security is the major concern, the better option is to go Nexus and get the monthly updates. That along with other best practices. And with those updates, may also come bug fixes. So more timely updates there. Then there are pluses such as the Google Fi option. And yes, some Google apps are only kept current for Nexus devices.
First hello to everyone,
I was wondering if this time will be the same as it was with G6 so I asked support and they answerd this
I qoute
Good afternoon Alen,*
Thank you for your query regarding your LG G7;*
I have had a look into this for you and sadly as we are an in warranty repair centre this is not something that we get advance notice on. As LG handsets only got Android 8 a few months ago I am guessing that this would be at some point in the early quarter of next year.*
Once the android version is created it then has to go to the individual manufacturers who then test for compatibility and will rework anything which causes issues and then the testing on handsets begins and I am led to believe that this is a length process.*
The likely hood is that the update will be on the handsets before we even know that it has been released.*
So when it comes to update, even with "lg's new update center" thing will be the same.
And to be clear i don't hate or something, I am okey with my device preformances this is more discussion type post cuz as i remember lg said that this new center sill get us update faster and clearly thats not the case
Sorry for typos
There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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I could not agree more to this. Software upgrades are a nice thing if they take the time to run it stable. I prefer stable software and better security above that. Thats why i left Sony for one reason tru unstable releases that took long time to fix or not and a phone that loose hes full functuality with crashes or connection problems at most important times is a pain.Untill now my G6 did fine and my G7.Be patient and be happy your G7 is a trusty companion on the way.
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This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
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There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
Support rarely if ever gets any info about things like software releases up until they actually come out. Until LG actually makes a statement it is best to just be patient.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
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Even my G7+ (India Variant) is on june security patch. At least security updates have to be released if not OS updates. Every money transfer is don't online nowadays, LG should take it seriously. Also there is still no 4k 60 fps update that rest of the world got.
Android P on the G7? Don't hold your breath. At the earliest, I'd say March of 2019. More realistically is May/June however. LG is quite terrible with Android updates.
8bitbang said:
This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
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Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
fernando sor said:
Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Yeah unfortunately I was stuck with tmobile. I agree the pixel is the way to go.
The only issue I have with the Pixel is Google using it to push there cloud storage. That's why they won't put SD card slots on them. And I'm sorry but despite the fact it's 2018 we are still not a 100% connected world, not to mention at least in the US almost every carrier has data limits. Plus there are some that don't want to put everything they own up in the cloud. SD card storage is really the only reason I won't buy a Pixel.
And don't even mention USB-c adapters, I shouldn't have to carry around extra crap for more storage!
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Apple have good products but not good for 1000 $ or more. They do update older models but we all know that they also made older phones go slower and there was problems with battery drain ect.
I am from Bosnia so here Iphones are really expensive and i mean it. Also Pixel is just a little bit cheaper.
I really like LG phones, after my HTC I had G4 G5 G6 and now G7. If I hadnt drop my G6 and brooke it I wouldnt even go to G7.
For the money you get good quality phone, nice specs and I dont mind ux cuz i am not fan of that rounded look on stock android.
I went and took Huawei p20 after my g6 and I had it for a day then returned it give more money and bought G7 cuz p20 is like toy compared to g7.
And even updates are not that big of a deal for me but what i mind is that they promised that big update center for faster updates and now not that we wont get android 9 for a while but as you guys said we are still on july patch.
I know that its better to wait for stable versions but they could be more efficiant with patches.
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sooner then u think
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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thx buddy
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Hi, how did u installed this custom rom?
Anyway, official Android Pie looks to be way forward from now. LG V40 was just released, with Android 8.1 .....
On the bright side, for those with smart watches using Google Wear so was Wear OS 2.0 just released and it is entirely based on 8.0 Oreo. I suppose handsets with Android 8.0 will have a more bug free experience using those watches.
Hi guys,
i know Oneplus gives us three year of support.
I'm considerung to buy a OnePlus 7 Pro because my current sony smartphone haven't a good update Situation atm.
But i take care that i get fast Android Security Patches so i want to ask how OnePlus stands regarding this topic.
Do they offer the monthly security patches for every month and make them almost available at the same time as Google publish them?
Whats your experiences?
Almost available is the key word...it usually lands within weeks of Google's publish date...But why would you buy a OP7Pro now when it's already outdated by OP7TPro?
Just don't go for a 5G device currently would be my advice. Currently no sign of android 10, beta programme or even any communication from OnePlus about this update. You'd have thought they hadn't even produced the device the way they are ignoring owners.
Thanks at both of you.
No worry a 5g phone isn't a option für me because 5g is still in a very early state and LTE is more than enough for me.
The reason why i consider the OnePlus 7 pro over the t version are the many custom roms for that device. And they are mostly GApps free.
Personally i avoid the usage of every rom with preinstalled Google Apps and Services because of privacy reasons.