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Sad orphan Android device SUPPORT, guys buy wisely alright.

Consumer are on the loosing end ;(
http://theunderstatement.com/post/11982112928/android-orphans-visualizing-a-sad-history-of-support

Android users unite, demand upgrades
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.

Danwsim said:
The state of Android software support is ridiculous, and some Android users have their heads in the sand and make excuses for the problem.
As a group we should demand software updates. 6 months ago Google and their partners in the open handset alliance pledged to address the issue of software updates and nothing has come of this. I still own a Droid Charge only officially running an Android version that came out in 2009.
What has Samsung done since releasing my Charge? Released the Stratosphere, as well as numerous other devices across other carriers.
If you think the average consumer does not care that their phone isn't running the latest software, then you may be correct. But, the average consumer sure as heck cares that his phone does not have the features of other competing companies. Also, stability is another issue, some phones are left running unstable software.
Do not ignore this problem. Android will lose the war if this continues. If this is being compared to the PC market, we are in 1989, Android could be any number of platforms that doesn't make it.
If you care about the platform, demand more of the platform.
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Yeah this is true, I'd definitely have to agree. Don't get me wrong, I love Android, but there are some things I wish they would fix. Like the caller waiting feature, it should be updated to be more user friendly. Why should you have to hang up and wait for the automatic call back? They need to rebuild that part of the ui where you can.

Very interesting article. Very true also. It is a sad and troubling issue unfortunately for us. Software support and updates seem to be getting worse and worse for us Android users.
Good thing i got my nexus handset...kind of helps as at least i know google will keep rolling out the updates for at least 18 to 24 months.
The problem is with the big phone manufactures...they skin android too deep and take too long to clear up their mess in order to update the builds. Also they just want us to buy new phones every few months it seems. I intend to see my nexus s contract through to the remaining 12 months for sure. Ice Cream Sandwich looks delicious by the way!
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All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.

Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it

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Well LG just impressed my by updating my moms LG Shine Pus ( think GSM Ally) from 2.1 to 2.3 and i mean the only thing that phone is lacking in is processor. 480x800 screen, 512 ram and a wait for it 600mhz processor. And it is a phone which doesn't require a data plan so my mom only pays like $20 a month for it
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If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data

spirikitik said:
If you have no data plan, that means she just use the phone to call and text, she does not need update, this is sad for the smartphone users with data
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Yeah well when we were going to get the phone it was a cheap slider dumb phone and we walked out with one of those and with froyo it brought speed increments which help on the phone and i mean my moms not the kind who even uses data just games and such

Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.

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Totally agree. Fragmentation is a major issue and a lot of people don't realize that if the issues aren't griped about then they have no reason to fix them.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.

ICS is too late for it, but I hope J(ellybean) functions more like a launcher and its theme. Just mass update the background OS for all phones (whether through OTA or through website), and let manufacturer/telcom update their skin independently, so that consumers don't have to wait for the (unreliable) promise from manufacturer/telcom.

You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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Yes a lot of android user know that, they just don't want to admit that sometime they visit android market and download an app and found out the app crashes and wouldn't not work on their device, and still they don't want to say it, because they always want android to win vs apple, rim and wp7, the funny thing is they are not even part of the company, and will manufacturers don't update their device but can release new devices with an updated android OS, so people with money on their hand sell their phone and buy new android device just to update, they want android to win but they do not realize that android is sucking the life out of their pocket.
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Are we guaranteed by policy that the phones need to be updated? If anyone can check the sales agreement, is it mentioned anything about the future software update?
I have not checked, but I think there is no such obligation from manufacturer. So, in essence they are not breaking the law. We buy a phone on what it has presently, not speculating about future enhancements.
It would be great to have manufacturers give more attention to this update issue. But I doubt anyone could hold them accountable.
It's also obvious that if any of these get updated, it would be only the premier ones, not the budget models.

zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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You just can handle the truth jerk butt

spirikitik said:
You just can handle the truth jerk butt
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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).

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Android vs iSO is exactly the same as pc vs console, some people enjoy having freedom on their devices, and constantly upgrade, some people want something like a console, nothing ground breaking but has a bit better stability but no flexibility. (I'm assuming your an Apple fan boy due to the lack of depth to your argument, also perceivable intelligence).
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You got me wrong, it is just this fact hurt your ego about the stat of updates and you see it and still don't believe it, you are the android fanboy and for that makes you blind, and your intelligence, stay stagnant like a swamp.

zeekiz said:
You hate android, good work, insert_manufacturer fanboy.
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this is the attitude of a fanboy. "Oh, you don't like my OS? You must be a wp7/iOS fanboy."
Gotta say, I'm a fanboy for no OS and have them all but as far as hardware goes, I'm slowly becoming a Nokia fanboy

Lol z33 you really are funny. And quite the fibber.
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spirikitik said:
All they do is release a new model so they force us to buy new device, i might go back to iPhone I am really on the edge.
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So do you have iOS5 installed on your iphone, iphone 3G?
Which app is exclusive to gingerbread?
I think you should go back to iphone. It looks like you've made up your mind.
As for updates, US carrier versions tend to be slower and no surprises there with all the bloatware and restrictions they have to build into the firmware
Also there are ton of posts on xda where users with 2.3.3/2.3.4 devices complain about not receiving 2.3.5 updates and same goes for 3.0/3.1 users not receiving 3.2 update without knowing what that new revision brings to the table

As corps begin to adopt smartphones, the first thing a CIO will ask, "What's the Product Life Cycle?"
3GS gets iOS5 but the Nexus One won't get ICS!? Lowe's just ordered 42,000 iPhones, I would have too. Pull your head out Google!!! It's not just the kids who want updates but the grown ups too!
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Other older phones are getting...

6.0 update first than the note 5....

And when you go to another manufacturer they may be worse at the next update than Samsung is. There is no consistency when it comes to updates. I have had HTCs that got updates way after Samsung did. It's all pretty much luck of the draw unless you get a Nexus device.

I get your frustration but updates alone do not determine the quality of a device or the manufacturer. Anyone come from a Note 4? Remember the 5.0.1 update that murdered the battery life? I do. 5.1.1 runs beautifully on my phone for now. I'd rather wait a bit longer for a polished update that actually improves my user experience than get fast, half-baked updates that make things worse.

I agree. Note 4 was killed. And I bought nexus 4 after so much hardships and the first update it got was after Motorola and nexus 7 devices. Hahahha even nexus ditched me.

As bad as it is, if you want steady updates get a nexus. I swore off samsung long ago but still played with a note 3 from time to time then one day in Costco, I saw they were running a promotion on the Note 5 where you get all the pay offers but also a $250 Costco card and when I added it all up plus the headphones, wireless charger and the portable charger the deal was just to good and I bit. I do miss frequent updates, the freedom of running whatever I wanted or compiling my own with various cherry picks but I new that going into another samsung device. You have to consider the advantages of the Note 5, it's arguably one of the fastest phones, good camera, good battery life and the s-pen. For all that you don't get zero day updates.

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As bad as it is, if you want steady updates get a nexus. I swore off samsung long ago but still played with a note 3 from time to time then one day in Costco, I saw they were running a promotion on the Note 5 where you get all the pay offers but also a $250 Costco card and when I added it all up plus the headphones, wireless charger and the portable charger the deal was just to good and I bit. I do miss frequent updates, the freedom of running whatever I wanted or compiling my own with various cherry picks but I new that going into another samsung device. You have to consider the advantages of the Note 5, it's arguably one of the fastest phones, good camera, good battery life and the s-pen. For all that you don't get zero day updates.
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I did want steady udpates but couldnt afford to pay full price on a nexus 6p. I couldve got the 6s+ but I came from a 5s so i wanted to try something new. Note 5 was the best when comparing them to the other android flagships at the tmobile store... so i chose it. Before, i heard from someone or an article stating that samsung was going to push updates quicker this time around, and that google will pressure manufacturers to release updates more early. I guess samsung didnt care.. i learned my lesson. This is also my first samsung device.

kabuk1 said:
I get your frustration but updates alone do not determine the quality of a device or the manufacturer. Anyone come from a Note 4? Remember the 5.0.1 update that murdered the battery life? I do. 5.1.1 runs beautifully on my phone for now. I'd rather wait a bit longer for a polished update that actually improves my user experience than get fast, half-baked updates that make things worse.
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I understand what youre saying but how long has marshmallow been out? Since october, right? Almost 4 months. And manufactures are already releasing 6.0 update to their devices.. Eh... whatever. I shouldnt complain, because i dont like complaining. But, i just hate it when people dont keep their word.

I think I'm missing the point here. The pic you posted specifically states only a few Lg G3s got the update. I understand your issue is that it's an older phone and it still got MM before ours did, but even if you were to ditch the Note 5 for a G3, there's still a solid chance you won't be on MM. The only way to guarantee you get the latest update timely is to get a nexus. It's a total crap shoot when it comes to OEMs and updates. This year Samsung is behind, next year it will be another OEM, then another after that. Just about every OEM specific forum complains about slow updates.
Right now, 5.1.1 runs like a bandit on the Note 5. I'd rather Samsung polish it up and release a fully functional, bug-free update, than rush it out the door and destroy my battery life. Plus, who's to say that MM doesn't run like poop on the G3?

My T-Mobile Note5 has had 4 updates already. So technically, Samsung is pushing updates faster. Plus, I mean, it's difficult to punish the manufacturers when the carriers are often what causes delays. I'd rather they take their time then push out a crappy, half-baked update. I don't feel as though I am missing out on anything. I have an M9 (international version. US carriers haven't pushed it) running Marshmallow and it's not all that much different on the surface. Sure Marshmallow adds Doze, permission and more under the hood goodies, but it isn't the be all end all of updates.

Yoshi1221 said:
Frustration is understood, but you also expressed your opinion on other posts. If your really that pissed off, just change different brands. Don't keep complaining. Look at the Note 4 thread complaining about the Note 5 features. Everyone that bought this phone should have known from the start that Samsung may not be "timely" with their updates. So? If your phone is working fine, then why complain about it now. If you go to an iPhone 6s+, just warning you, you will miss the features of Android. If you want updates to happen at a timely manner, go with the nexus 6P or 5X since they get updates straight from Google.
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That what kills me, if it works then why be chomping at the bit for the next update in such a way that now you have to run out and get an iPhone. I mean even with the security argument of having older versions of android, now with how they drop service updates that even becomes a thing of the past.
If updates are that important to someone then being an informed consumer would've done this guy a lot of justice instead of running out and impulse buying The Next Big Thing, only to throw a fit over it later.

I would have gotten the 6p if carriers sold it since my work provides my phones as long as the carrier or my choice sells it.
I went with the Note 5 as the best alternative option for my wants and an very happy with the device. Being the first Note I've owned, I really am amazed at how much I like and use the s-pen and at this point don't think I'd want to give it up for the 6P if I could.
The only I'm looking forward to with marshmallow is Doze and the finger print API being switched over to Androids own implementation as I hope it allows me to use my finger print with play store purchases.

All of this talk is making me hungry. Guess I will go have me some marshmallows since my phone can't

Can't rush perfection lol
Looks like sammy is learning from its past

This is been going on since I had the vibrant back in the day. Nexus devices are the only sure way to get updates in a timely matter.

Seriously why do people get up in arms about updates? Marshmallow isnt even that big of a deal anyways. Coming on here and saying you're done with Samsung all because your phone didn't get the update yet is...well...kind of pointless.
Not saying you dont have a right to voice your opinion, but its pointless to get upset over an update. We don't even need an update. Are we really going to benefit from MM? Straight up no.
Leave Samsung, fine. But dont do it just because of a software update. Do it because they suck at making great devices, which obviously they don't.
I'm glad you're able to get a Nexus, at least you will finally be happy to get updates. It sucks losing a fellow device user, but it is what it is.
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Yeah...I'm frustrated too, but I'm not DONE with Samsung. I just call T-Mobile, gripe a bit to Corporate, get a $150 credit! Takes the sting right outta my update complaint. Hahahaha! WINNING!

Please don't talk about quality saying be patient.... Really look at all the other phone manufacturers releasing updates, and we are sitting on one of the flagship phones and don't have access to 6.0.... No excuses,

Psyscope said:
Please don't talk about quality saying be patient.... Really look at all the other phone manufacturers releasing updates, and we are sitting on one of the flagship phones and don't have access to 6.0.... No excuses,
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A what other phones have received Marshmallow? Just a couple and those aren't US carrier phones. The fact is, most often US carrier branded phones don't ever get updates before international unlocked phones. The carriers are to blame for that, not the manufacturers. Realistically, very few phones have the Marshmallow update.
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Seriously why do people get up in arms about updates? Marshmallow isnt even that big of a deal anyways. Coming on here and saying you're done with Samsung all because your phone didn't get the update yet is...well...kind of pointless.
Not saying you dont have a right to voice your opinion, but its pointless to get upset over an update. We don't even need an update. Are we really going to benefit from MM? Straight up no.
Leave Samsung, fine. But dont do it just because of a software update. Do it because they suck at making great devices, which obviously they don't.
I'm glad you're able to get a Nexus, at least you will finally be happy to get updates. It sucks losing a fellow device user, but it is what it is.
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Doze will help battery life, and some people are into permissions selection, but that's about it. It's a mentality that some folks have. If they don't have the newest and "best" they feel as if they're missing out. Like I said, I have an HTC M9 running Marshmallow and it's kind of a meh update. Not nearly as exciting as Lollipop was. It's just a mindset with some folk. *shrug*

I agree with others here in regards to Samsung/TMO pushing out smaller updates faster. When that stagefright crap went down, and pretty much all OEMs said 'we are going to start releasing monthly updates', I laughed. No way that was going to happen. 3 or so months later and they have actually been doing a pretty good job. Baby steps.
And let us not forget, TMO doesn't help the problem... they usually make it worse. Two levels to updates.
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I've got the 6p and note 5 and I can tell you the only your missing is doze, permission selection, and imprint. Although layers is enabled in 6.0 we n5 users probably won't be able to use it anyway
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Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches

Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
Motorola says it is "more efficient" to bundle security updates into fewer releases.
RON AMADEO - 7/26/2016, 2:24 PM
Motorola has clarified the update situation of the Moto Z and Moto G4, calling Android's monthly security updates "difficult" and deciding not to commit to them.
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For the future of security updates at the Lenovo-owned Motorola, we look to the 2015 Moto X, which has been receiving Android security updates about once a quarter instead of monthly. The Moto X spent the last few months on the "February" Android security patch and only this month was updated to "May."
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The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.

ok peace ill stick with my pure .

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.
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Yeah that is kind of bull**** to be honest. I agree, the speed of the Nexus update is fantastic and certainly a huge draw towards those products. Motorola has more or less been a let down with this product in a lot of areas.
dewoine said:
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
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That is some fantastic input you have there.

dewoine said:
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I agree with him because I do like my phone. Yes, would be nice to have updates but every phone has had this issue and Moto/Lenovo is no different.
I been using phone since the HTC hero so I been around the custom rom for a very long time and because of them every phone has performed better than stock. Now, pure stock is nice but I wanted to try a custom rom and the one I am currently using rocks.

Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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So they just didn't commit to the monthly plan but rather on a quarterly basis. Sounds like they will still work on updates on a somewhat regular basis. It does make sense. They have migrated to the near vanilla experience which means a necessity for fewer programmers. This means the performance to dollar value will remain since it ultimately costs less to produce and maintain the product lines. Win in my opinion.

Edvin73 said:
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.

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For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.
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If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.

TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.

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TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.
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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.

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Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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aybarrap1 said:
If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.
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You and I are basically thinking alike. Our "next" phone will be a Nexus. That's what I said in the OP. I never said I'm trashing my MXP today, no way. I really like it. I dropped it and have to send it to MotoCare for repair, but can't wait to get it back. I'm just saying, my "next" phone will be a Nexus. And I did expect more timely updates, from a device running a more vanilla brand of Android. Before the MXP, I had an HTC One M7 Google Edition, it would get very timely updates. So it has been something I became accustomed to and expected with a "Pure Edition" device. I really miss the Google Edition line.

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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Never said there was a documented case. However the media created a frenzy around it which helped prompt the monthly security updates to help alleviate negative pr. Some people are not careful so doing the monthly updates may potentially help prevent any actual exploits from happening. Currently, in real life and real case scenarios, the great majority of negative security impacts on android users are due to stolen phones which do not have lock protection and remote wipe features activated and in place

I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.

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I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.
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That has been my biggest set back.

Honestly, it's very easy for Google do to monthly security updates, and it's good that they're being proactive about them after being dragged through the mud by Apple bandwagon sites and general media (along with those dubious "security research" firms) after Stagefright. They have nearly unlimited resources and get an astounding amount of advertising revenue from Android itself. But, it also helps that they created and maintain Android itself.
I do think they hurt smaller manufacturers by putting this expectation of monthly security updates in people's heads. Android manufacturers, with the exception of Samsung, usually are not flush with cash. Just recently, LG's mobile division lost over $100 million in 1 quarter alone. Unless you have a loyal fan base that looks forward to new devices year after year, like Apple and (again) Samsung, it's a difficult position to be in. I do think it's furthering Google's own agenda, however. They are very slowly herding people into the Nexus program and into the pure, ideal Google Android ecosystem. There's already a gulf in feature sets between pure AOSP and Google's AOSP-based Nexus apps; pure AOSP is looking extremely barebones these days as Google has basically abandoned the basic apps in Android (like the dialer/Phone app, for example - it got a visual overhaul, but no new features except on Nexus devices). I only have the Google dialer features on my MXPE because Google accidentally released a working version for non-Nexus devices. It's certainly not great for AOSP-based phones like the MXPE.
Eventually, though I think Google will keep Android open for the foreseeable future, I do believe they're working on a new Google-only mobile OS where they control both hardware and software elements (chip design to custom tailored, proprietary kernels and hardware drivers). I think Android served its purpose for Google: to become a dominant OS, a viable source of advertising revenue for the company, and a viable ecosystem and market for digital goods (Play Store). Those Google services and Play Store ecosystem can be implemented into any OS they create, just as it was recently made available to ChromeOS devices.
Anyway, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if any of the Android devices in your recent past were terrible or completely insecure. Because, I've seen people change opinions on good devices based solely on security updates, even though the devices in our pretty recent past didn't receive them. So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
Malware is still required to exploit many of these vulnerabilities, and I'd say the great majority do need root privileges to be most effective, which is why those elevation of privilege vulnerabilities need to be patched. Will security updates protect you from sketchy online behavior or being gullible (phishing emails, popups claiming you have a virus, etc)? Nope.
I'm fine with quarterly updates - 4 quarters, 4 "rollup" updates.

My reason for considering the Nexus is not because of security updates. I want it because it is vanilla android. I am pleased with the MXPE because it is pretty much the vanilla experience, buy with some extra features from Motorola that I actually find useful. There are only a couple of their implementations I don't use. I found LG want to bad with their stuff. To Mr Samsung is the worst for "features" as there are numerous ones, and they overload the phone with their apps, many of which do pretty much the same thing Google already does well. For my next phone Nexus is still a possibility, buy so is Motorola at the moment. Only time will tell.

Jason.DROID said:
... So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
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If security is the major concern, the better option is to go Nexus and get the monthly updates. That along with other best practices. And with those updates, may also come bug fixes. So more timely updates there. Then there are pluses such as the Google Fi option. And yes, some Google apps are only kept current for Nexus devices.

Pure to get N

https://motog3.com/motorola-android-7-0-nougat-update/
Updated Sept 1st, not sure how reliable but says there we will be getting it!

While I would like to assume that the Moto x pure edition will get it, this article seems to be an opinion piece with little or no supporting info other than his ramblings and definitely nothing from Lenovo/Moto.
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Nice. Another garbage site with no credible info. I love how in their comments this "Motorola" author is answering questions on wether or not so and so device will get Nougat, like they're 100% sure.

Would love to see the source. Anyone can take a guess like this and have a good chance of getting it right. What got me: The G4 line "might" get the update?! WT... The phone was practically just released so unless Lenovo just really wants to destroy the Moto product line, it would be stupid not to release N for the phone.

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Would love to see the source. Anyone can take a guess like this and have a good chance of getting it right. What got me: The G4 line "might" get the update?! WT... The phone was practically just released so unless Lenovo just really wants to destroy the Moto product line, it would be stupid not to release N for the phone.
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The g4s are garbage and I spoke to a rep today and he told me to stay away from them haha a Lenovo rep said this! Bought one yesterday and the screen was all glitchy took it back today traded it out and paid the difference for the plus and same thing before even leaving the parking lot. Finally got pissed and said screw it and got a moto x pure style again. Loved this phone the first time I had it and love it now! Guernetee it gets nuoget and if it dosent.. well.. there will ALWAYS be Roms haha lol. But what I was trying to get at with the g4 phones is that's more than likely the reason they "might" get it.. I'd doubt it though honestly. Lenovo ruined the Motorola line. Ya the z is bad ass but come on man. The pure style was the best phone they had made in YEARS! Besides the Nexus 6. I'm super disappointed in the joke Lenovo has made!

Reasons to believe End of September to mid-October is the best hope to get nougat for MXPE:
- it coincides with quarterly security updates for this device
- it's about the same time difference from Google releasing marshmallow last year.
- it skipped 6.0.1 so it has just time to play with N previews.
- it's the period when the new Moto flagship will be released unlocked worldwide. That means these devices will be getting an update quickly (inclusion Verizon already offered on US) to boost sales. But also updating its previous flagship would convince customers to buy the newest flagship. I believe that sales of Moto Z international will not be good if our device does not get an update on the framework i mentioned. Didn't we all by this device because we thought it would be updated quickly?
- Finally, I believe all the hype in the media that mentions Motorola as a company that is expected to deliver fast nougat update is financed by Motorola itself. While they won't give us directly a timeframe, they use media to keep up the sales of their new and numerous line of devices. Not to forget that Moto maker still has stocks of MXPE which they want to sell, but strangely have not lowered the price since mother's day...

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Reasons to believe End of September to mid-October is the best hope to get nougat for MXPE:
- it coincides with quarterly security updates for this device
- it's about the same time difference from Google releasing marshmallow last year.
- it skipped 6.0.1 so it has just time to play with N previews.
- it's the period when the new Moto flagship will be released unlocked worldwide. That means these devices will be getting an update quickly (inclusion Verizon already offered on US) to boost sales. But also updating its previous flagship would convince customers to buy the newest flagship. I believe that sales of Moto Z international will not be good if our device does not get an update on the framework i mentioned. Didn't we all by this device because we thought it would be updated quickly?
- Finally, I believe all the hype in the media that mentions Motorola as a company that is expected to deliver fast nougat update is financed by Motorola itself. While they won't give us directly a timeframe, they use media to keep up the sales of their new and numerous line of devices. Not to forget that Moto maker still has stocks of MXPE which they want to sell, but strangely have not lowered the price since mother's day...
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Skipping the 6.0.1 update does not mean they were working on Nougat. They couldn't until the source code was released.
Wouldn't it make sense not to update an older phone until later to entice people to buy the latest and greatest device with the N update?

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Skipping the 6.0.1 update does not mean they were working on Nougat. They couldn't until the source code was released.
Wouldn't it make sense not to update an older phone until later to entice people to buy the latest and greatest device with the N update?
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My line of thought is simple: their new flagship costs almost twice it's predecessor, or even three times if you get a certain alluring mod. The only way to convince a buyer spend more money is to assure that expense is worth it on a longer term. Long term means continuity of updates in this business. But who will be convinced of that if Moto ditched our device before it reached a year (thinking latest update for us was the May security patches)..
You already have fears of not getting updates, probably because we didn't get 6.0.1! Would you think of buying a Z Droid if you know your mxpe would not get N (even if you could afford it)?

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My line of thought is simple: their new flagship costs almost twice it's predecessor, or even three times if you get a certain alluring mod. The only way to convince a buyer spend more money is to assure that expense is worth it on a longer term. Long term means continuity of updates in this business. But who will be convinced of that if Moto ditched our device before it reached a year (thinking latest update for us was the May security patches)..
You already have fears of not getting updates, probably because we didn't get 6.0.1! Would you think of buying a Z Droid if you know your mxpe would not get N (even if you could afford it)?
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There is some logic there and it is a theory used in the world of business. On the same token, my theory of updating the MXPE later is also a practice by businesses. Now it will just depend on what theory of business Lenovo decided to use.

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Skipping the 6.0.1 update does not mean they were working on Nougat. They couldn't until the source code was released.
Wouldn't it make sense not to update an older phone until later to entice people to buy the latest and greatest device with the N update?
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I would think that Google gives out the source code to large OEMs before they release it to the general public so some of the later Q3 devices can all run the new version. Also, Moto built their reputation on relatively quick software updates for their supported phones, and I don't think Lenovo would mess with that image too much as to not hurt current sales.

aybarrap1 said:
There is some logic there and it is a theory used in the world of business. On the same token, my theory of updating the MXPE later is also a practice by businesses. Now it will just depend on what theory of business Lenovo decided to use.
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Oh well, i think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying that the Z will be upgraded after MXPE. I actually think once the Z will be available worldwide it will get the N update to boost sales. I'm only saying that it would be difficult to convince people to buy an expensive phone unless they have a guarantee it will be a long investment. Updating quickly the XPE should give that guarantee that even Z will be maintained after its one year anniversary.

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https://motog3.com/motorola-android-7-0-nougat-update/
Updated Sept 1st, not sure how reliable but says there we will be getting it!
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That motog3 site is just an pile of advertisements and SEO bait. It's not legit.
After dealing with Moto/Lenovo support a few times, my impression is that Lenovo is struggling to appear like they know what they're doing. Their repair program is musical chairs, tech support doesn't know what's going on, and they haven't been able to maintain the software. Even if they've outsourced Nougat, I doubt they've purchased any followup bug fixes.

I just saw that CM14 7.0 dropped for the Android One, Oneplus 3 and a few others today. That should help things along a bit. Once it exists, as it now does, it usually makes it's way to other devices pretty quickly. :fingers-crossed:

i want ask ... i don't know if my question is stupid or not LooL
if lenovo dont include our MOTO X phone to update list
can the Rom developer here make custom ROM with N Update? or they need something from lenovo (like permission or code) ?

Zekial said:
I would think that Google gives out the source code to large OEMs before they release it to the general public so some of the later Q3 devices can all run the new version. Also, Moto built their reputation on relatively quick software updates for their supported phones, and I don't think Lenovo would mess with that image too much as to not hurt current sales.
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But you should believe @Zekial When Moto, was a Google Company, and not official bought by lenovo, they update their smartphones very fast, Nexus 5 receive Lollipop after Moto X . Now Moto sucks, only this week in germany they update their phones to 6.0.1 (security update from may ).
Pure will be updated for N, when is the problem, could be this year or in the next.

Here's a bit of confirmed news
https://in.news.yahoo.com/android-7-0-nougat-schedule-160203008.html

dammit, and i just rooted my phone finally today.

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Here's a bit of confirmed news
https://in.news.yahoo.com/android-7-0-nougat-schedule-160203008.html
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I don't think that article tells us anything we don't already know. I read it yesterday and it just says "should" and "probably" with no sources.

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https://in.news.yahoo.com/android-7-0-nougat-schedule-160203008.html
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Just another fluff article... zero information, just speculation and opinion.

The "news" now on neurigedget... Hmm
not officially confirmed
http://neurogadget.net/2016/09/24/m...tedly-get-android-nougat-update-october/40315
Meanwhile, the Moto X Play, Moto X Style, and Moto X Force, will receive the update on November.
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I'm starting to hate Xiaomi

First of all, they rushed the Oreo update with tons of severe bugs and the beta testing was open to a number of complete random Joes most of whom could never do their job properly.
Secondly, they now cancelled the second Oreo update without any announcements.
Thirdly, there's zero communication with/from them - there no official Xiaomi employees/representatives either on miui or xda-dev forums, they never reply to your questions in Twitter.
This was supposed to be an exploratory OEM device running Android One - instead we've got a big f***ing mess.
To add insult to injury there are no kernel sources four months after the device release. EIS/Camera2API are still not enabled in any builds. Low light camera performance is simply horrible. There's white noise for headphones which most likely will never be solved since this phone has a broken amplifier which should have never passed QA/QC.
I'm never buying anything again from this company.
And it's not like Nougat releases were bugs free - there were at least a dozen of serious bugs. And Android System/OS power use is still enormous. Seems like Xiaomi simply doesn't care.

I think that you are not correct. Phone is just amazing for that price range.
Beautiful design, excellent response and many many good things.
Im on January update now rooted, with framework reset and don't have one bug.
For camera they should make better software. Because Gcam can make excellent photos compared to stock. But never the less phone is just great.
Good job xiaomi.

janchaman said:
I think that you are not correct. Phone is just amazing for that price range.
Beautiful design, excellent response and many many good things.
Im on January update now rooted, with framework reset and don't have one bug.
For camera they should make better software. Because Gcam can make excellent photos compared to stock. But never the less phone is just great.
Good job xiaomi.
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Looks like you don't use this smartphone at all or use it for a handful of functions because it has tons of bugs. I'm glad you like it though.

i got oreo 1st update, bug only on packet data notification.
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What you've pointed out is very true. I also think a lot of randos are in the beta program, but then again the beta program is entirely USELESS if there is no communication with the dev team. The individual devs too can't do anything until the source arrives, which Xiaomi claims is taking time "to make it better" which can be read as "our kernel is still not good enough" I'm not surprised that the ROMs are buggy. There is huge potential for Mi A1, but software and Xiaomi cripples it.
After source kernel is released though, I expect it to have the best and most optimal software. Until then it's just a waiting game.

I think you miss the point that you bought a cheap 200 bucks device. Tons of bugs ??? Not really. Oreo is ok, if you can help yourself a little bit. Other expensive brands have update and even hardware issues too. Just sit back and chill. The perfect device and perfect support ? Have fun to wait for it

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First of all, they rushed the Oreo update with tons of severe bugs and the beta testing was open to a number of complete random Joes most of whom could never do their job properly.
Secondly, they now cancelled the second Oreo update without any announcements.
Thirdly, there's zero communication with/from them - there no official Xiaomi employees/representatives either on miui or xda-dev forums, they never reply to your questions in Twitter.
This was supposed to be an exploratory OEM device running Android One - instead we've got a big f***ing mess.
To add insult to injury there are no kernel sources four months after the device release. EIS/Camera2API are still not enabled in any builds. Low light camera performance is simply horrible. There's white noise for headphones which most likely will never be solved since this phone has a broken amplifier which should have never passed QA/QC.
I'm never buying anything again from this company.
And it's not like Nougat releases were bugs free - there were at least a dozen of serious bugs. And Android System/OS power use is still enormous. Seems like Xiaomi simply doesn't care.
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And still no kernel sources yet

No kernel sources..we just lost the lineage OS devices as he lost his phone ???

There are some setbacks but come on every OEM is doing the same thing with their customers, you can't specifically say about a1. Btw the kernel sources still not released is a big blunder committed by Xiaomi.

Working great for.my wife.
I do recall the noise on social media and forums demanding the update before Jan. 1. I think Xiaomi have learned a lesson and decided to say less to temper expectations. The complaints do suggest that the update was not ready, and they should have just let folks harass them on social media and various sites and ignored them until it was ready.

birdie said:
First of all, they rushed the Oreo update with tons of severe bugs and the beta testing was open to a number of complete random Joes most of whom could never do their job properly.
Secondly, they now cancelled the second Oreo update without any announcements.
Thirdly, there's zero communication with/from them - there no official Xiaomi employees/representatives either on miui or xda-dev forums, they never reply to your questions in Twitter.
This was supposed to be an exploratory OEM device running Android One - instead we've got a big f***ing mess.
To add insult to injury there are no kernel sources four months after the device release. EIS/Camera2API are still not enabled in any builds. Low light camera performance is simply horrible. There's white noise for headphones which most likely will never be solved since this phone has a broken amplifier which should have never passed QA/QC.
I'm never buying anything again from this company.
And it's not like Nougat releases were bugs free - there were at least a dozen of serious bugs. And Android System/OS power use is still enormous. Seems like Xiaomi simply doesn't care.
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OK, just stop crying!
Nobody made you to buy xiaomi!
It was a small company that became larger than old Not Chinese companies, they sell good stuff, their QC is better than in other companies.
A1 is first not MUI phone. It takes time to things well. I use android O and have no problems at all.
About a camera, you can't get Leica or Samsung camera for 150$!!!
Want a good camera? Buy Huawei, Samsung, iPhone... Pay 700$ and don't write things you don't understand...
BTW, if you won't buy xiaomi stuff, xiaomi won't beg you to do it!

yanleites said:
OK, just stop crying!
Nobody made you to buy xiaomi!
It was a small company that became larger than old Not Chinese companies, they sell good stuff, their QC is better than in other companies.
A1 is first not MUI phone. It takes time to things well. I use android O and have no problems at all.
About a camera, you can't get Leica or Samsung camera for 150$!!!
Want a good camera? Buy Huawei, Samsung, iPhone... Pay 700$ and don't write things you don't understand...
BTW, if you won't buy xiaomi stuff, xiaomi won't beg you to do it!
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The point isn't that the device is bad, the problem is that i could be far better than how currently is.
The camera isn't great at all, but it could be better by simply activating api2 in build.prop, how much does it cost to xiaomi? Maybe it don't give a f**k about this device.
Bugs, they could be less, of course with kernel sources there will be even Ron development.
The dac is absolute s**t, i can't understand all the reviewer that said it was stunning, the hissing sound isn't a minor issue
Update, really xiaomi, really? Releasing buggy and early update should be you marketing strategy. It suck , just in case someone is reading this.
Lack of communication on Twitter or xda, they even haven't said that all otas are blocked, xiaomi you are acting like a ****.

Give them a break man! They have to release a phone every 2 minutes, that's hard! I'm a first time user of xiaomi, bought it because of Android one. Hey, mistakes were made! It's my last phone for sure , now I can't do nothing more than try to enjoy this and hope for custom ROM devs fix everything (if the phone survives that long)

To OP (and others who identify themselves): Boohoo, this phone is not perfect, boohoo, Xiaomi never again, boohoo. Again? Seriously? Isn't there something more meaningful what you can do in your life? I don't know..did you maybe consider buying another phone where you'll actually be happy and you could move on? Being in constant pain and frustration with Mi A1 is not good for your health.

I have no idea what's about here.
For my needs this phone is perfect. Yes, perfect, so I bought 3 of them for me/wife/daughter.
I was happy with Nougat and now I'm happy with Oreo Jan patch.
For now I just wait for sources and custom ROM avalanche to squeeze every bit of software from this hardware.
Bottom line, as usual YMMV.

The only thing that I hate Xiaomi for is that the Mi A1 xda forum is full of idiots reposting and spamming, instead of developers showing their amazing work which could be done with the kernel sources out.

Hating Xiaomi have become mainstream here, you cannot say you love this phone anymore. How many thread do we need for hating Xiaomi and bugs discussion.
I have to say that my Oreo doesnt have major bugs, only minor bugs, i still can wait for the fix. Battery life incredibly better than nougat, it stay more than 24 hours for me.
If you have major bugs like wifi or call problem, just bring it to service centre, I'm sure they can help. Or you can use Nougat while waiting for stable Oreo (UI is quite the same). MiFlash tools is very easy to use too. (I think you need to backup your data if you want to downgrade because of difference encryption)
I think because of this phone so easy to unlock/relock bootloader (without wiping data) plus with magisk undetectable root, its impossible to tell which bugs (in xda & MIUI forum) came from root or unroot device. I'm not saying all the bugs came from root device, but it make it worse. Maybe that cause Xiaomi panic and pull back update, just maybe.
I didnt see when someone post a bug and the first question is "did you unlock bootloader?" every bugs post usually follow with hating this phone. All I want to see is workaround for the bugs while waiting it to be fix.
I hold my update for 2 week because of all these bugs post, but after I update my phone, its not that bad. Those thread are not reliable anymore. Why?

Welcome to the club..
And on cue paid xiaomi trolls arrive to say Xiaomi is god, buy another phone.. ???
Sell the phone & buy another.. Thats the only option.. Mi's inhouse development team is sh*t.. I don't think there's hope for this phone..

neojith said:
Welcome to the club..
And on cue paid xiaomi trolls arrive to say Xiaomi is god, buy another phone..
Sell the phone & buy another.. Thats the only option.. Mi's inhouse development team is sh*t.. I don't think there's hope for this phone..
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See? This why people who has working phone remain silent. you cannot share something good about this phone. In the end all these threads become less and less informative. Anyway, if you think there is no hope, why you still here?

If You buy a phone for $150-$200 You really can't be that stupid/naive that You expect same build quality, same camera, same support, same update interval, same bug fix speed, etc as a $600-$900 phone??
Software development is expensive and cheap phones doesn't pay big dev teams!
This phone is my sixth "cheap China phone" and second Xiaomi and I can promise that the updates are miles better than from many others in same price range!
I don't have any major "bugs" or bigger annoyances in my phone (currently running Oreo Dec 1 2017) and it works great as my daily driver.
The small issues are there yes, but please show me a phone in same price range that's free from bugs.
So from my point of viev: A1 is good phone for that price!