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What are the odds we get a 6.0 ROM soon?

Since it's being released in a couple days, is it possible we will get the source code to build for OnePlus?
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it is possible, but i don't know what will happened

From the official sources, no clue. From ROM devs, I'd say give it a month once source code drops. Cyanogenmod already built for this device, I mean look at the back of the phone, so I'm sure they will support us for at least 2 more android versions. My very first android phone the Droid Incredible came out in 2010 and for rom support from devs all the way up to 4.4.4, so I'd say pretty dang high from rom devs. Helps also that we have a simple bootloader unlock, which makes devs even more inclined to work on the device. Based on my past device experience, we'll get at least 3 more major versions, 6.0 included, maybe more. By then, your battery will be useless, and you'll have moved on, which is awesome.

kdb424 said:
From the official sources, no clue. From ROM devs, I'd say give it a month once source code drops. Cyanogenmod already built for this device, I mean look at the back of the phone, so I'm sure they will support us for at least 2 more android versions. My very first android phone the Droid Incredible came out in 2010 and for rom support from devs all the way up to 4.4.4, so I'd say pretty dang high from rom devs. Helps also that we have a simple bootloader unlock, which makes devs even more inclined to work on the device. Based on my past device experience, we'll get at least 3 more major versions, 6.0 included, maybe more. By then, your battery will be useless, and you'll have moved on, which is awesome.
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CM are only obligated to support this device until April next year, so Marshmallow will be the last official version we get. They're contracted for 24 months from the time of release and they'll drop this device like a hot potato the first chance they get.

Heisenberg said:
CM are only obligated to support this device until April next year, so Marshmallow will be the last official version we get. They're contracted for 24 months from the time of release and they'll drop this device like a hot potato the first chance they get.
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While I'd like to agree with you, that's in regards to business, we will see 6.0 for that reason alone. I was more referring to the fact that we still see updates on the nexus 4 up to 5.1 and the fact that open popular devices seem to get much longer support. Wasn't trying to disagree with you at all in that respect. I'm not that likes to hang onto their old devices, or sell them to friends, so I have seen how amazing that support can be even for older devices. My TF101 tablet is still rocking, and running 5.1.1 it's smoother than it's ever been. Don't think that'll see 6.0, but I didn't expect it to make it to 5.0. It all comes down to "We'll see how long it gets supported, but don't demand anything past 6.0" even though historically, we should get 3 more major versions if it follows most devices paths when it comes to rom support. That boing said, I'll be flashing 6.0 as soon as we get a rom that can multiboot!

kdb424 said:
While I'd like to agree with you, that's in regards to business, we will see 6.0 for that reason alone. I was more referring to the fact that we still see updates on the nexus 4 up to 5.1 and the fact that open popular devices seem to get much longer support. Wasn't trying to disagree with you at all in that respect. I'm not that likes to hang onto their old devices, or sell them to friends, so I have seen how amazing that support can be even for older devices. My TF101 tablet is still rocking, and running 5.1.1 it's smoother than it's ever been. Don't think that'll see 6.0, but I didn't expect it to make it to 5.0. It all comes down to "We'll see how long it gets supported, but don't demand anything past 6.0" even though historically, we should get 3 more major versions if it follows most devices paths when it comes to rom support. That boing said, I'll be flashing 6.0 as soon as we get a rom that can multiboot!
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There's no doubt we'll see the next version after Marshmallow on this phone, but I can guarantee you it won't be in the form of official updates via Cyanogen Inc, it'll be in the form of community developed ROMs via CyanogenMod. If you meant CyanogenMod and not Cyanogen Inc then I misunderstood you.

I just meant Roms in general
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Rom developers are really fast, i would say 1 week after we get the source there will be a alpha version. Cyanogen13 will take at least months.

_Beni_ said:
Rom developers are really fast, i would say 1 week after we get the source there will be a alpha version. Cyanogen13 will take at least months.
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Sounds good to me! We have great devs here! Hopefully they don't leave for the Nexus phones, they really aren't worth the $ in my opinion. 808 and 810 have too many problems. I got the Moto X Pure and had that for 2 weeks and even the 808 had terrible heating issues. This years chipsets by Qualcomm are just terrible. Not to mention even now, 3 weeks in they have no dev support and Motorola (now Lenovo) is very shady company.
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nikeman513 said:
Sounds good to me! We have great devs here! Hopefully they don't leave for the Nexus phones, they really aren't worth the $ in my opinion. 808 and 810 have too many problems. I got the Moto X Pure and had that for 2 weeks and even the 808 had terrible heating issues. This years chipsets by Qualcomm are just terrible. Not to mention even now, 3 weeks in they have no dev support and Motorola (now Lenovo) is very shady company.
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What makes Moto shady? Nexus 6, first non nexus company to update their phones to lollipop, budget friendly phones...
And even if they were shady, I think OnePlus still takes the #1 spot in that category lol

jukiewalsh said:
What makes Moto shady? Nexus 6, first non nexus company to update their phones to lollipop, budget friendly phones...
And even if they were shady, I think OnePlus still takes the #1 spot in that category lol
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Motorola says they aren't going to update the Moto E although they advertised that they would. Also not updating Moto X 2014 AT&T and Verizon version.

runderekrun said:
Motorola says they aren't going to update the Moto E although they advertised that they would. Also not updating Moto X 2014 AT&T and Verizon version.
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Moto E: cheap budget phone that I think people only bought as a placeholder when they broke a phone or something else happened, it's not a flagship. nobody bought it to use for 2+ years and I don't think it was intended as such.
Moto x: did you see that the pure is getting updated? That means it was the carriers decision, not Motorola's. Also, it's easy to convert the att/Verizon version to the pure version and then you'll get the update fine.

jukiewalsh said:
What makes Moto shady? Nexus 6, first non nexus company to update their phones to lollipop, budget friendly phones...
And even if they were shady, I think OnePlus still takes the #1 spot in that category lol
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As soon as Lenovo brought out Pure they let go about 500 Motorola employees, many who were in the dev department... They are giving people hard times about returns saying it will take 6-8 weeks to get their money back on an overnight return label. The pure QC is piss poor, if you go to their forums, their most popular thread is about returning the phone... This clearly isn't the same Motorola we used to love. I'm not big on OnePlus either, I only came back here, because at least I know my OnePlus works, I'll never buy from them again though, that's for sure.
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Here they don't say we will get COS13 but only Oxygen / Hydrogen :
http://www.gadgetlite.in/2015/10/here-is-list-of-devices-getting-android.html#.VhNtuWuBS6F
But since the communication of Cyanogen is not really a "thing" I won't settle for this news

Source has dropped, so we might see devs starting to build soon
https://android.googlesource.com/platform/build/+/marshmallow-release

Anybody already found the radio online time fix commits? or didnt they even fix it?

Well i think it will be possible to get a bootable AOSP 6.0 Rom , cause we already had a booting 5.1.51 Rom!

_Beni_ said:
Anybody already found the radio online time fix commits? or didnt they even fix it?
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the radio issues are driving me nuts, no matter what modem i use i still run into issues.

Heisenberg said:
CM are only obligated to support this device until April next year, so Marshmallow will be the last official version we get. They're contracted for 24 months from the time of release and they'll drop this device like a hot potato the first chance they get.
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Agreed. Look at when we finally got 5.1.1...SMH
BTW, pretty sure you meant Cyanogen Inc, not CM
nikeman513 said:
Since it's being released in a couple days, is it possible we will get the source code to build for OnePlus?
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The probability is high that we'll get a taste (not likely daily driver level sweet mind you) of Marshmallow by tomorrow:
Follow this thread

Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches

Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
Motorola says it is "more efficient" to bundle security updates into fewer releases.
RON AMADEO - 7/26/2016, 2:24 PM
Motorola has clarified the update situation of the Moto Z and Moto G4, calling Android's monthly security updates "difficult" and deciding not to commit to them.
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For the future of security updates at the Lenovo-owned Motorola, we look to the 2015 Moto X, which has been receiving Android security updates about once a quarter instead of monthly. The Moto X spent the last few months on the "February" Android security patch and only this month was updated to "May."
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The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.

ok peace ill stick with my pure .

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
Motorola confirms that it will not commit to monthly security patches
The MXPE has been a great device, but this issue is why I won't get another Moto phone. I got this device, expecting timely updates, shortly after Nexus devices. But we've seen far from that. So next phone, will be a Nexus for sure, for me.
My Moto 360 2nd Gen also gets updates slow. My LG G Watch R is current, and got a July Android Wear update last night. While my Moto 360 2nd Gen is stuck in May.
Moto feels it's more "efficient" for me to be vulnerable for some months. I don't find that to be acceptable.
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Yeah that is kind of bull**** to be honest. I agree, the speed of the Nexus update is fantastic and certainly a huge draw towards those products. Motorola has more or less been a let down with this product in a lot of areas.
dewoine said:
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
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That is some fantastic input you have there.

dewoine said:
ok peace ill stick with my pure .
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I agree with him because I do like my phone. Yes, would be nice to have updates but every phone has had this issue and Moto/Lenovo is no different.
I been using phone since the HTC hero so I been around the custom rom for a very long time and because of them every phone has performed better than stock. Now, pure stock is nice but I wanted to try a custom rom and the one I am currently using rocks.

Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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So they just didn't commit to the monthly plan but rather on a quarterly basis. Sounds like they will still work on updates on a somewhat regular basis. It does make sense. They have migrated to the near vanilla experience which means a necessity for fewer programmers. This means the performance to dollar value will remain since it ultimately costs less to produce and maintain the product lines. Win in my opinion.

Edvin73 said:
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
For me, the idea is to avoid ever having a problem, because of a late security update. Not waiting to be burned and then looking to stay current.
To each their own. I don't mock anyone's opinion.
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If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.

TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.

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TBH... These Android security updates that are JUST security updates, probably are not important or relevant to 99.99999% of users. I read a blog article recently by an Android "security specialist" (take it with a grain of salt), that your chances of being affected by most of these security flaws that the security patches fix in Android is about the same likelyhood as being struck by by lightning... while being bitten by a shark. Probably an exaggeration, but even so, the point was effectively made. The security patches are more about PR than technical need.
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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.

Edvin73 said:
Security updates make me laugh. Buying an other phone for that even more. My Clark is a great phone and I don't really mind being few months behind with security updates. Can someone tell me, how many of you had any problems because late security updates? No BS, please.
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aybarrap1 said:
If you feel these updates are critical to you, I highly recommend Nexus phones as they will almost always be the first to get any updates. Updates were not a big factor into buying this phone but rather the cost to spec value. I do think Lenovo could do better with updates but I have the phone so I will do my best to enjoy it. Nexus line will probably be my next phone since they are starting to get better with having more up to date specs.
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You and I are basically thinking alike. Our "next" phone will be a Nexus. That's what I said in the OP. I never said I'm trashing my MXP today, no way. I really like it. I dropped it and have to send it to MotoCare for repair, but can't wait to get it back. I'm just saying, my "next" phone will be a Nexus. And I did expect more timely updates, from a device running a more vanilla brand of Android. Before the MXP, I had an HTC One M7 Google Edition, it would get very timely updates. So it has been something I became accustomed to and expected with a "Pure Edition" device. I really miss the Google Edition line.

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I think you are correct for the most part. Problems like the stagefright issue led to this. However, with android being the dominant smartphone ecosystem, the number of individuals targeting for exploits will be higher as the market continues to grow. Being Linux based helps but when talking about the masses, you have some really ignorant users out there. I say ignorant because some don't really think about being "smart" when it involves safe habits such as downloading from reputable sources and not browsing to those "specialty" sites.
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Was there ever a documented case where the stagefright vulnerability was ever exploited in the real world and not in a lab? I don't recall of any...
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Never said there was a documented case. However the media created a frenzy around it which helped prompt the monthly security updates to help alleviate negative pr. Some people are not careful so doing the monthly updates may potentially help prevent any actual exploits from happening. Currently, in real life and real case scenarios, the great majority of negative security impacts on android users are due to stolen phones which do not have lock protection and remote wipe features activated and in place

I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.

Silarn said:
I'd have to say the same. I'm expecting Moto will get around to the N update before abandoning the phone. But in another year I'll be seriously considering other brands. If Google ever rethinks their opinion on expandable memory, it would probably be a no-brainier for me.
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That has been my biggest set back.

Honestly, it's very easy for Google do to monthly security updates, and it's good that they're being proactive about them after being dragged through the mud by Apple bandwagon sites and general media (along with those dubious "security research" firms) after Stagefright. They have nearly unlimited resources and get an astounding amount of advertising revenue from Android itself. But, it also helps that they created and maintain Android itself.
I do think they hurt smaller manufacturers by putting this expectation of monthly security updates in people's heads. Android manufacturers, with the exception of Samsung, usually are not flush with cash. Just recently, LG's mobile division lost over $100 million in 1 quarter alone. Unless you have a loyal fan base that looks forward to new devices year after year, like Apple and (again) Samsung, it's a difficult position to be in. I do think it's furthering Google's own agenda, however. They are very slowly herding people into the Nexus program and into the pure, ideal Google Android ecosystem. There's already a gulf in feature sets between pure AOSP and Google's AOSP-based Nexus apps; pure AOSP is looking extremely barebones these days as Google has basically abandoned the basic apps in Android (like the dialer/Phone app, for example - it got a visual overhaul, but no new features except on Nexus devices). I only have the Google dialer features on my MXPE because Google accidentally released a working version for non-Nexus devices. It's certainly not great for AOSP-based phones like the MXPE.
Eventually, though I think Google will keep Android open for the foreseeable future, I do believe they're working on a new Google-only mobile OS where they control both hardware and software elements (chip design to custom tailored, proprietary kernels and hardware drivers). I think Android served its purpose for Google: to become a dominant OS, a viable source of advertising revenue for the company, and a viable ecosystem and market for digital goods (Play Store). Those Google services and Play Store ecosystem can be implemented into any OS they create, just as it was recently made available to ChromeOS devices.
Anyway, at the end of the day, you have to ask yourself if any of the Android devices in your recent past were terrible or completely insecure. Because, I've seen people change opinions on good devices based solely on security updates, even though the devices in our pretty recent past didn't receive them. So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
Malware is still required to exploit many of these vulnerabilities, and I'd say the great majority do need root privileges to be most effective, which is why those elevation of privilege vulnerabilities need to be patched. Will security updates protect you from sketchy online behavior or being gullible (phishing emails, popups claiming you have a virus, etc)? Nope.
I'm fine with quarterly updates - 4 quarters, 4 "rollup" updates.

My reason for considering the Nexus is not because of security updates. I want it because it is vanilla android. I am pleased with the MXPE because it is pretty much the vanilla experience, buy with some extra features from Motorola that I actually find useful. There are only a couple of their implementations I don't use. I found LG want to bad with their stuff. To Mr Samsung is the worst for "features" as there are numerous ones, and they overload the phone with their apps, many of which do pretty much the same thing Google already does well. For my next phone Nexus is still a possibility, buy so is Motorola at the moment. Only time will tell.

Jason.DROID said:
... So, if you're afraid Android is insecure even though you've never experienced an attack, even with those older, "less secure" devices or now on a newer device without monthly security updates, why continue to use Android? Apple is still continuing its strategy of implementing security updates in OS updates, by the way. Those are not monthly.
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If security is the major concern, the better option is to go Nexus and get the monthly updates. That along with other best practices. And with those updates, may also come bug fixes. So more timely updates there. Then there are pluses such as the Google Fi option. And yes, some Google apps are only kept current for Nexus devices.

Meanwhile... no Nougat for US

As we know India got the Nougat. Brazil did too. EU finally gets it's share.
Nothing in US, except a soak announced by RepublicWireless. On the official Motorola / lenovo forums you can be banned if you talk about sideloading the Nougat on US devices. While Moto allows unlocking the bootloader by providing the unlock codes (in US they benefit from that by canceling the warranty), they frown upon what happens next. Like people will unlock the bootloader just for the pleasure of giving up the warranty, nothing more.
I was a Moto fan, me and my family owned a Moto DEFY XT (557D), MotoX (1st gen), Moto G (3rd gen), Moto E (2015) and now in use we have a Moto G4 Plus and a Moto X Pure.
Sadly, service (updates) for US is now last in line, bad interactions on their forums, no true international LTE bands support (band 20 is ommited from US phones, even if it is becoming one of the most important in EU for CA and rural).
I was planning to get the next Moto G5, but sadly I will have to move to a different company for my next phone.

What's sad is the fact that for each of us that have purchased their last Moto, there are probably 10 people that's never owned a Moto that will buy it. The US is pretty much the backwater for Lenovo and we probably are only a small fraction of their sales.
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At the price point that they try to sell the new Moto they needed loyal customers. The people that hunt bargains will not go for their inflated prices, not when they have likes of ZTE or Alcatel in the stores. Bad marketing strategy.

SoNic67 said:
At the price point that they try to sell the new Moto they needed loyal customers. The people that hunt bargains will not go for their inflated prices, not when they have likes of ZTE or Alcatel in the stores. Bad marketing strategy.
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I usually get a new phone every two years. I have had my G4 for six months, so I won't make any statements about what I will or won't buy at this time since a lot can change in 18 months. But I will say that Lenova is far from being the only manufacturer to drag their feet on updates. And in reality, I really don't care that much about getting stock upgrades since I unlock and customize every device I have. The custom firmwares are usually much better choices IMHO. So when I am ready to get a new phone (or tablet), the custom ROM choices and development activity will influence me more than whether or not the manufacturer is updating in a timely manner. And introductory prices usually fall in time

Custom firmwares are zero without updated blobs for camera, sensors, modem... That requires manufacturer support.
However my beef is mainly that lenovo had put the US market on backburner.

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Custom firmwares are zero without updated blobs for camera, sensors, modem... That requires manufacturer support.
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All very true. But it seems that the updated drivers for various features are made available long before stock ROM upgrades, thus custom ROM's are also available. In five years of using Android smart phones and tablets, I have never had to wait long for decent custom ROMs based on the latest version as opposed to the long delays for stock upgrades by some manufacturers. Huawei and Asus come to mind.
Anyhow, I wasn't trying to negate anyone's position about the current situation. I merely was stating my own personal opinion and what works for me. My own 2-cents worth so to speak.

US soak seems to be older (-13) than what is out now (-14). Probably is somehow related to the RepublicWireless preloaded app.

I would like to try the US soak test. Has anyone have a URL for it? I heard their was issues but sounds like the same issues I read about Nougat. Any truth to that?

I'm using Nougat 14 and it's having battery drain problems, it's general (check Lenovo forums).
Maybe for that reason they didn't update the US version for now.
Anyway it's taking too much time for be an Android version similar to AOSP, other companies like Huawei have very modified versions and are updating more fast.
Maybe Nokia is going to be what Motorola was. I'm going to wait the Nokia 8 presentation for decide if I buy it or a Moto G5 Plus.

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I usually get a new phone every two years. I have had my G4 for six months, so I won't make any statements about what I will or won't buy at this time since a lot can change in 18 months. But I will say that Lenova is far from being the only manufacturer to drag their feet on updates. And in reality, I really don't care that much about getting stock upgrades since I unlock and customize every device I have. The custom firmwares are usually much better choices IMHO. So when I am ready to get a new phone (or tablet), the custom ROM choices and development activity will influence me more than whether or not the manufacturer is updating in a timely manner. And introductory prices usually fall in time
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The main reason I've stuck with Moto so long is the custom firmware options. It's actually unprecedented for me to be still running a stock rom all this time.

Jplabti said:
I'm using Nougat 14 and it's having battery drain problems, it's general (check Lenovo forums).
Maybe for that reason they didn't update the US version for now.
Anyway it's taking too much time for be an Android version similar to AOSP, other companies like Huawei have very modified versions and are updating more fast.
Maybe Nokia is going to be what Motorola was. I'm going to wait the Nokia 8 presentation for decide if I buy it or a Moto G5 Plus.
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I ran Nougat NPJ25.93-14 for a week and didn't see any battery drain whatsoever. In fact, the battery life was slightly better than any of the custom ROMs I have tried. I would have stuck with it except I missed the advanced boot menu and being able to customize the status bar. Not to mention it still has bloat that I really don't need.

Android 9 - not soon

First hello to everyone,
I was wondering if this time will be the same as it was with G6 so I asked support and they answerd this
I qoute
Good afternoon Alen,*
Thank you for your query regarding your LG G7;*
I have had a look into this for you and sadly as we are an in warranty repair centre this is not something that we get advance notice on. As LG handsets only got Android 8 a few months ago I am guessing that this would be at some point in the early quarter of next year.*
Once the android version is created it then has to go to the individual manufacturers who then test for compatibility and will rework anything which causes issues and then the testing on handsets begins and I am led to believe that this is a length process.*
The likely hood is that the update will be on the handsets before we even know that it has been released.*
So when it comes to update, even with "lg's new update center" thing will be the same.
And to be clear i don't hate or something, I am okey with my device preformances this is more discussion type post cuz as i remember lg said that this new center sill get us update faster and clearly thats not the case
Sorry for typos

There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.

xeizo said:
There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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I could not agree more to this. Software upgrades are a nice thing if they take the time to run it stable. I prefer stable software and better security above that. Thats why i left Sony for one reason tru unstable releases that took long time to fix or not and a phone that loose hes full functuality with crashes or connection problems at most important times is a pain.Untill now my G6 did fine and my G7.Be patient and be happy your G7 is a trusty companion on the way.
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This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.

xeizo said:
There is some hysteria on having the latest software, but in fact it is even better if the software actually works, hence the lenghty process of testing before release. Android Pie for instance is still very buggy for those vendors who are releasing early public test versions.
The current 10f-version of Android 8.0 seems pretty stable on the G7, and has minimum battery drain. As long as they are following up with regular security patches as they are released, there is nothing much to complain about. I'd rather take a problem free Android Pie early next year than be ridden with bugs up til then.
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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good

Support rarely if ever gets any info about things like software releases up until they actually come out. Until LG actually makes a statement it is best to just be patient.

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The T-Mobile variant is on the July 1 security patch, as of the time of this post it is 84 days behind. Not looking good
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Even my G7+ (India Variant) is on june security patch. At least security updates have to be released if not OS updates. Every money transfer is don't online nowadays, LG should take it seriously. Also there is still no 4k 60 fps update that rest of the world got.

Android P on the G7? Don't hold your breath. At the earliest, I'd say March of 2019. More realistically is May/June however. LG is quite terrible with Android updates.

8bitbang said:
This is why Apple products are expensive and maintain their value. Long term Seamless updates across all devices, regions and carriers. Android OEMs need to stop modifying Android and just use stock software route. No one wants bloat and gimmick features at the expense of slow updates that may never come. They pretty much do this to market new devices and screw us.
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Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup

fernando sor said:
Seamless? Hardly. They have had numerous issues with updates.
Apple products are expensive because people are fan boys and will pay a lot of money for questionable tech. They don't even include fast chargers. They are seperate and very expensive.
This computer repairman who has worked on Apple products for years should be required viewing before buying Apple products.
https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup
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Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen

8bitbang said:
Pixel devices are the best representation of Android. They receive monthly updates, have no bloat and long term update support when compared to every other OEM. LG has always been behind updates and there's no excuse for that except they would rather sell you another device. We have let OEMs be ok with poor device support because we don't demand more. That's the definition of a fanboy, last time I checked we had to sue LG to get their **** done right
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbre...oop-lawsuit-settlement-g4-v10-v20-nexus-5x-g5
Google even attempted to help some Nexus 6p users migrate to the Google pixel and that didn't require a lawsuit to make it happen
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Yeah unfortunately I was stuck with tmobile. I agree the pixel is the way to go.

The only issue I have with the Pixel is Google using it to push there cloud storage. That's why they won't put SD card slots on them. And I'm sorry but despite the fact it's 2018 we are still not a 100% connected world, not to mention at least in the US almost every carrier has data limits. Plus there are some that don't want to put everything they own up in the cloud. SD card storage is really the only reason I won't buy a Pixel.
And don't even mention USB-c adapters, I shouldn't have to carry around extra crap for more storage!
Void4ever

Apple have good products but not good for 1000 $ or more. They do update older models but we all know that they also made older phones go slower and there was problems with battery drain ect.
I am from Bosnia so here Iphones are really expensive and i mean it. Also Pixel is just a little bit cheaper.
I really like LG phones, after my HTC I had G4 G5 G6 and now G7. If I hadnt drop my G6 and brooke it I wouldnt even go to G7.
For the money you get good quality phone, nice specs and I dont mind ux cuz i am not fan of that rounded look on stock android.
I went and took Huawei p20 after my g6 and I had it for a day then returned it give more money and bought G7 cuz p20 is like toy compared to g7.
And even updates are not that big of a deal for me but what i mind is that they promised that big update center for faster updates and now not that we wont get android 9 for a while but as you guys said we are still on july patch.
I know that its better to wait for stable versions but they could be more efficiant with patches.
Sorry for the typos

sooner then u think
Take a look

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Take a look
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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.

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Man you have your phone number and the imei number visible in the screenshot. If I were you I would remove them.
And you're using a custom rom so that is not the official update.
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thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing

J0SH1X said:
thats obviously not my phone number , it somehow always fails to read it out and shows this number , no matter what sim card i put in the phone my real number ends on 59 , and woooahhh you got my imei and what r u gonna do with it i have the bill for the phone with imei my name etc so it gives you nothing
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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.

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If that's not your real phone number good for you. If you put your IMEI number on purpose and you know what the risks are, good for you. My message was to let you know in case you forgot about it.
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thx buddy

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Hi, how did u installed this custom rom?

Anyway, official Android Pie looks to be way forward from now. LG V40 was just released, with Android 8.1 .....
On the bright side, for those with smart watches using Google Wear so was Wear OS 2.0 just released and it is entirely based on 8.0 Oreo. I suppose handsets with Android 8.0 will have a more bug free experience using those watches.

When LG will release global android P update for LG G7thinq.

Android P has been released in south korea and they haven't started even global beta for android P. I am more concerned about LG G7thinq update to android P in India. Guys do you have any news ? Or predictions

Sometimes mid or end of March if we are lucky. It might even be rolled out in April judging by how they rolled updates earlier.
It took them more then 3 months to roll out 4k 60 fps support for Indian model.
I wonder how companies like OnePlus can deliver updates quickly.

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Sometimes mid or end of March if we are lucky. It might even be rolled out in April judging by how they rolled updates earlier.
It took them more then 3 months to roll out 4k 60 fps support for Indian model.
I wonder how companies like OnePlus can deliver updates quickly.
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because they have less in quantity but more motivated stuff of developers, less corruption and bureaucracy than large giants like lg mobile. and yet 1+ has just 2 models, in fact one model per year cycle. it's far easier to update 1 model due to 1 SoC support instead of 4-5 Soc as have LG
I think CEO of LG Mobile still lives in XX century and thinks of smartphones as of like TV sets, which don't need monthly security patches.

OnePlus releases 2 phones a year similar to LG. LG also releases 2 flagship phones a year(not counting entry and budget) with same SOCs. Meanwhile LG didn't even update 1 phone, OnePlus successfully pushed updates to even last year's models. Even Samsung pushed Android pie to flagship's.

I love my G7 but I might buy a pixel 2 as a second phone just to stay in the Android update circle.
Even Samsung has update the s9 and Note 9. The s8 beta is live. There is no excuse for bull**** like that.
And after research I found out that it's the same with their old smartphone.
They have no place selling "flagships" if they are not supported.
Yesterday I saw an update coming I thought it was Pie sadly it was the December security patch. This is unnaceptable.

The bigest problem with LG is that they have so many diffrent firmwares for diffrent regions of the world. Why? Just an international model will be ok. Why so many versions of G7 for example? This fragmentation is the key for Bankruptcy!

Inerent said:
The bigest problem with LG is that they have so many diffrent firmwares for diffrent regions of the world. Why? Just an international model will be ok. Why so many versions of G7 for example? This fragmentation is the key for Bankruptcy!
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Yes correct. Lg chose hardestway to implement software upgrade to smartphone.They don't have community where we can discuss bugs and update related query.

I contacted LG service center India and asked about pie update. They said it will be rolled out after v40 is launched in India. Estimate they gave was March or April.
This is unbelievable, they have update ready and just that they don't want to roll it off before their next phones release. This is straight a rip-off of consumers. LG should stop their carelessness attitude.
Incase if anyone wants to get in touch with LG (1800 315 9999 or 1800 180 9999)

techhahn said:
I contacted LG service center India and asked about pie update. They said it will be rolled out after v40 is launched in India. Estimate they gave was March or April.
This is unbelievable, they have update ready and just that they don't want to roll it off before their next phones release. This is straight a rip-off of consumers. LG should stop their carelessness attitude.
Incase if anyone wants to get in touch with LG (1800 315 9999 or 1800 180 9999)
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Ok, you convinced me, it's the last time i take an lg phone, they are stupid.... My first phone with them and my last, it's sad cause the phone is great :/

bilrage said:
Ok, you convinced me, it's the last time i take an lg phone, they are stupid.... My first phone with them and my last, it's sad cause the phone is great :/
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Even this is my first and last LG phone until LG fixes update issues.

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Even this is my first and last LG phone until LG fixes update issues.
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:good: I've got more more issues with this phone... I had xiaomi from almost 8 years and I never had problems.

techhahn said:
I contacted LG service center India and asked about pie update. They said it will be rolled out after v40 is launched in India. Estimate they gave was March or April.
This is unbelievable, they have update ready and just that they don't want to roll it off before their next phones release. This is straight a rip-off of consumers. LG should stop their carelessness attitude.
Incase if anyone wants to get in touch with LG (1800 315 9999 or 1800 180 9999)
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LG v40 had been released in India..so for what they are waiting.Surely LG don't want to be big player in Indian market .This will be my first and last LG phone

techhahn said:
I contacted LG service center India and asked about pie update. They said it will be rolled out after v40 is launched in India. Estimate they gave was March or April.
This is unbelievable, they have update ready and just that they don't want to roll it off before their next phones release. This is straight a rip-off of consumers. LG should stop their carelessness attitude.
Incase if anyone wants to get in touch with LG (1800 315 9999 or 1800 180 9999)
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I don't think the guy you talked to was in any situation to answer this as I'm sure you can already buy V40 on Amazon.

techhahn said:
Even this is my first and last LG phone until LG fixes update issues.
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I'm starting to feel the same. It was this or the p20 pro and the Huawei was sold out for two weeks until the end of the sale. I could of gotten a pixel or whatever but I had some bad luck with my last Google phone so yeah.... Idk the phone is good, but like seriously, BTS??? Why sell this in Canada? That "smart"world store is sad. Some of the fonts and stuff are ok, but like, if they put so much effort into regionlocking these phones, they could at least region lock the content in the lg store. Glad that "benefit" is over.

Definitely this is my first and last LG device, I had two options while buying this phone(G7 or op6).Since I was using one plus device for last 4 years I decided to go with LG and the phone is good but they screw us in updates. What makes them slow?. Are they not interested in Indian market.Lets trend this update issue by using #lgg7update #myfirstandlastlgphone.

My two cents is that the next version to get pie will be the EM and I'm highly doubtful it will happen before march/april

I agree that I have a Nexus hangover for quick updates but this doesn't mean that it takes a company more then 6 months to roll updates. It is totally not acceptable for a flagship phone.
I got convinced to buy this phone after watching pocket now review. Guess they get paid by LG for praising the phone.
Sure this phone have a good hardware but software updates are also necessary. Google re engineered Android with People Treble for faster updates, but it's is of no use for LG. Kudos to OnePlus, essential to release updates quickly. Even for Samsung who completely reimagined UI released update before LG.
People who feel the same please tell your friends and family to not to but LG.

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I agree that I have a Nexus hangover for quick updates but this doesn't mean that it takes a company more then 6 months to roll updates. It is totally not acceptable for a flagship phone.
I got convinced to buy this phone after watching pocket now review. Guess they get paid by LG for praising the phone.
Sure this phone have a good hardware but software updates are also necessary. Google re engineered Android with People Treble for faster updates, but it's is of no use for LG. Kudos to OnePlus, essential to release updates quickly. Even for Samsung who completely reimagined UI released update before LG.
People who feel the same please tell your friends and family to not to but LG.
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You can always buy Apple :laugh:
This is a great phone for the price. The best audio ever.
So chill, you will have pie. Or you can flash the pie kdz. Or you can root and flash AOSP pie .
You have so many choices and you just wait and blame LG.
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XDA is for people who want to tinker with their phones .

doiutzu said:
You can always buy Apple :laugh:
This is a great phone for the price. The best audio ever.
So chill, you will have pie. Or you can flash the pie kdz. Or you can root and flash AOSP pie .
You have so many choices and you just wait and blame LG.
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XDA is for people who want to tinker with their phones .
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You should have been on the stage where LG CEO announced the update center to deliver software updates to tell potential customers like me and others to buy Apple. I spent my money and it's my right to curse LG if they are not delivering.
This post is under Guides, News, and Discussions and it seems like we are not breaking any rules. Also, LG is pretty bad with open source community, so there is nothing to tinker around LG phones and thus we discuss.

You can contribute to the community ...
We have unlocked bootloader, treble, kernel sources.
You can do it yourself if you really want :silly: