Ok, as noticed in last news samsung published the source code of the Galaxy S4 and the "Samsung Knox".
That mean, that probably we WILL NEVER able to flash custom roms.
That move its so ugly and to make money on us.
From one hand they published the "Samsung Knox" and full protective system that mean that we cant do anything with the source code without lose the warranty.
And the other hand samsung published the Galaxy S4 source code.
On the Downloading Mode new line appeared - "Warranty Bit" - that the only thing he does is to tell to our labs that we dont have warranty,
in other words 0 = You can fix it, warranty man. 1 = No. we want's that man on our eyes, and our eys on his money.
SAMSUNG IN MORE COUPLE YEARS GONNA BE LIKE APPLE - A FULL CLOSED PROTECTED SYSTEM.
And i didnt starting talking about all the suspicious things that's hint on Tracking.
sachilleas said:
1)Android's openness makes a lot of people to decide to buy Galaxy phones. So Samsung has a lot of customers due to this. Samsung changed this when they introduced KNOX. This isn't the full Android experience anymore.
2) It's unspeakable how devious Samsung is, involving Knox AFTER the release of the Galaxy s4. I would never have bought this phone if I knew this before the purchase.
Samsung tries to differ from Android's philosophy and in the same time it uses it. No more Samsung phones for me after all these.
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why that?
our money in our pockets more important to them from their customers.
I'l never buy Samung stuff again.
Dont update to 4.3, who is want "improvements" with knox?
OK. Thanks for that.
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OK. Thanks for that.
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Thanks for reading
at least I9505 has OpenGL ES 3, I9500 has hardly half support
Sadly closed systems are better in quality. I know people won't agree specially here but my iPhone had much nicer and stable apps. My S4 is great to but I can imagine with more close system comes other benefits. Is devs were to develop specifically for the Galaxy I'm sure it would raise the quality.
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Samsung DOES aspire to have a closed system, that's why they are planning to ditch android and go Tizen OS in future
deep down they're like sheep trying to emulate apple(which is weird considering the position Samsung is in now, is like a wolf aspiring to become a dog)
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On the Downloading Mode new line appeared - "Warranty Bit" - that the only thing he does is to tell to our labs that we dont have warranty,
in other words 0 = You can fix it, warranty man. 1 = No. we want's that man on our eyes, and our eys on his money.
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It boils down to this. You're a thief and you've been a thief for quite some time. You're committing theft of service.
The warranty bit are direct responses to things like the brick bug on the Galaxy S2; if the user would have never rooted their phones and installed custom recoveries, it would have never been discovered or triggered. But many people destroyed their eMMCs.
I think people don't fully understand the possible consequences of things like rooting or flashing a new kernel, you can literally fry your components. On the i9305 we had people who fried their touchscreens controllers because they flashed the wrong firmware from the n710X.
In the end the cost ends up with the manufacturer.
If you decide to take control over your hardware, then accept the consequences of it. That includes warranty getting void. This whole rationale of people expecting service after they possibly screw up their devices is insanely crooked.
Knox is an entreprise solution and I think the warranty void is about the warranty that your phones data security is no longer guaranteed because the device has been tempered with. It has nothing to do with the warranty itself.
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Knox is an entreprise solution and I think the warranty void is about the warranty that your phones data security is no longer guaranteed because the device has been tempered with. It has nothing to do with the warranty itself.
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Which people don't seem to understand. Knox is one thing, the warranty bit has existed since the Galaxy S2. That TriangleAway and other methods were able to circumvent this was just luck / incompetence from the manufacturers' side;
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Sadly closed systems are better in quality. I know people won't agree specially here but my iPhone had much nicer and stable apps. My S4 is great to but I can imagine with more close system comes other benefits. Is devs were to develop specifically for the Galaxy I'm sure it would raise the quality.
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You right, better quality is better.
but if i wanted 'quality' i was buy iPhone not galaxy,
i want full custom system, not iPhone - its good, but not on android - "open" system.
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Samsung DOES aspire to have a closed system, that's why they are planning to ditch android and go Tizen OS in future
deep down they're like sheep trying to emulate apple(which is weird considering the position Samsung is in now, is like a wolf aspiring to become a dog)
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haha you right, but first - samsung lose my faith.
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It boils down to this. You're a thief and you've been a thief for quite some time. You're committing
The warranty bit are direct responses to things like the brick bug on the Galaxy S2; if the user would have never rooted their phones and installed custom recoveries, it would have never been discovered or triggered. But many people destroyed their eMMCs.
I think people don't fully understand the possible consequences of things like rooting or flashing a new kernel, you can literally fry your components. On the i9305 we had people who fried their touchscreens controllers because they flashed the wrong firmware from the n710X.
In the end the cost ends up with the manufacturer.
If you decide to take control over your hardware, then accept the consequences of it. That includes warranty getting void. This whole rationale of people expecting service after they possibly screw up their devices is insanely crooked.
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Thief is one calling other people thief because you think all the day about thief. I'ed never hear about thief in my way.
My hardware is my propety - i buy open system not iPhone.
because that, i buy android phone not to thief, -
= to be open-head with customble system, that what android meant for.
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Ok, as noticed in last news samsung published the source code of the Galaxy S4 and the "Samsung Knox".
That mean, that probably we WILL NEVER able to flash custom roms.
That move its so ugly and to make money on us.
From one hand they published the "Samsung Knox" and full protective system that mean that we cant do anything with the source code without lose the warranty.
And the other hand samsung published the Galaxy S4 source code.
On the Downloading Mode new line appeared - "Warranty Bit" - that the only thing he does is to tell to our labs that we dont have warranty,
in other words 0 = You can fix it, warranty man. 1 = No. we want's that man on our eyes, and our eys on his money.
SAMSUNG IN MORE COUPLE MORE YEARS THE BE LIKE APPLE - A FULL CLOSED PROTECTED SYSTEM.
And i didnt starting talking about all the suspicious things that's hint on Tracking.
why that?
our money in our pockets more important to them from their customers.
I'l never buy Samung stuff again.
Dont update to 4.3, who is want "improvements" with knox?
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by using custom rom none will give you warranty, other have similar system for that, if you like of custom rom maybe is time to forget warranty
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by using custom rom none will give you warranty, other have similar system for that, if you like of custom rom maybe is time to forget warranty
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man, android was created to beat iphone closed system.
only samsung block this way, samsung, not google.
android still on the way to be opened system,
samsung blocked, not google. samsung. not google. google = creator of android. samsung = private company thats wants money.
samsung. not google.
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My hardware is my propety - i buy open system not iPhone.
because that, i buy android phone not to thief, -
= to be open-head with customble system, that what android meant for.
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Samsung isn't stopping you from flashing whatever you want on your hardware. Knox doesn't change anything at all in that. Just don't expect a warranty for it.
AndreiLux said:
Samsung isn't stopping you from flashing whatever you want on your hardware. Knox doesn't change anything at all in that. Just don't expect a warranty for it.
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Sorry, i didn't want to thank you for your post. In fact it is very weird to read such things from you, knowing that you are a great developer.
1)Android's openness makes a lot of people to decide to buy Galaxy phones. So Samsung has a lot of customers due to this. Samsung changed this when they introduced KNOX. This isn't the full Android experience anymore.
2) It's unspeakable how devious Samsung is, involving Knox AFTER the release of the Galaxy s4. I would never have bought this phone if I knew this before the purchase.
Samsung tries to differ from Android's philosophy and in the same time it uses it. No more Samsung phones for me after all these.
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2) It's unspeakable how devious Samsung is, involving Knox AFTER the release of the Galaxy s4. I would never have bought this phone if I knew this before the purchase.
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This is what annoys me. I was perfectly happy with the S4 as it was when released (hence I bought it). However with the way KNOX affects things, I would have bought something else.
Ah well, easy enough to sell the S4 and get the N5 once it's released.
Thank goodness for insurance!
Whats funny?
Some people care about KNOX and their warranty, when even without KNOX flashing or customizing your phone will void your warranty.
Thats why every rom thread starts with do/flash it with your own risk or sometimes flashing this will VOID your warranty.
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I wil never buy it again because of the battery -.-' this new one of mine if becoming fat also 0.o going to put my system lower in speed 1.6 GHZ and want to make it a triple core, by turning 1 processor off or 2...
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Woah.. just forget your warranty when you want to root your phone. I always read instruction of rooting "this rooting step will void your waranty, do it with your own risk!" since i use nexus one..
I think samsung doing the right thing, rooting has a lot of costumization and also problem if someone dont do it right. And its not samsung fault. So i think they just want to make the best experience for us.
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snxxxxx said:
Woah.. just forget your warranty when you want to root your phone. I always read instruction of rooting "this rooting step will void your waranty, do it with your own risk!" since i use nexus one..
I think samsung doing the right thing, rooting has a lot of costumization and also problem if someone dont do it right. And its not samsung fault. So i think they just want to make the best experience for us.
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Pff yeah..To have a phone with powerful hardware but with slow as f*ck software 'cause of Samsung's crapware+poorly customized Touchwiz.
If you will use your brains, and will read about it a lot you won't damage your device such easily. And I wonder how such "beginner" like me which is using Android "only" for 7 months didn't damage device,didn't burn CPU/GPU, even if I was overclocking it and rooting when I was absolutely "noob"
But yes, of course if my device will die 'cause of SDS Samsung will say that it's dead 'cause of my fault not their but actually I am reading a lot about Android things and still improve but it's fact that very little people know about SDS in my country and they probably won't believe me if I will tell them about SDS.
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I wil never buy it again because of the battery -.-' this new one of mine if becoming fat also 0.o going to put my system lower in speed 1.6 GHZ and want to make it a triple core, by turning 1 processor off or 2...
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If you got a new one that's also affected by the bad batch, then just get another replacement.
There's no point crippling the phone when you can get it exchanged for free... Also the fact that lowering the CPU frequency will not help a faulty battery.
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I keep hearing that Sammy's perspective is that there is no "financial incentive" to provide updates to old phones. Well here is one. I will never buy another samsung android phone so long as they have this policy. I will also tell everyone who will listen to do the same.
I know that if they do not support devices as recent as the SGS4G, it is only a matter of time before their new devices are unsupported.
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Heh, Raver and I were talking about why they would wind up not giving ICS to the Vibrant and it was for this reason. They're a capitalist company, and updating older phones would not be good for business. People wouldn't have an incentive to upgrade if they got the latest software all the time.
I am a little mad that they're not going to update the T959V to ICS since it falls within the 18 month time window that they're supposed to provide upgrades for. Go figure.
Yeah Sammy really wiped it's ass with the pledge it made to Google about the 18 month window.
Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
Bumblephuk said:
Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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I agree with you. Hardware is a good enough incentive, but samsung is too greedy and cheap to provide the software updates for their older device. The SGS 4G is still relative new too. This is why there are people still buying, using, and praising Apple. Their support and service put samsung to shame.
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Upgrades come once every 2 years unless you drop 600 in a phone. The bs is that a new phone with better hardware comes out every 4 months and all other phones no longer get supported due to " hardware" or some crap. The galaxy s3 is coming out in a few months. Wanna bet my galaxy s2 won't be able to run android 5.0 due to hardware limitations. There are phones with weaker specs than my sgs4g that are getting ics. It's corporate greed on Sammy's part really. This is the one area, in my opinion, that apple does right. They support their devices for a good couple years. Samsung could, they just don't.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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airfluip1 said:
hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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I read something about an official statement saying Samsung is not going to update
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
finch8423 said:
The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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Just about.
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http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...-deliver-value-pack-for-galaxy-s-smartphones/
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Samsung failure to provide future support - opinion
I for one, have always liked Samsung phones, since my Captivate, then Vibrant, when I switched to tmobile, to the SGS4G. It was a blessing to see Gingerbread release and source for the SGS4G. Especially since it is so different from the other Galaxy S cousins. The Vibrant is still waiting for Gingerbread, and they have a petition to hopefully convince Samsung into at least giving a Gingerbread update.
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
TM
mccabet said:
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
TM
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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Where'd you read this?
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Where'd you read this?
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I would also like to know this. I have read several articles where Sammy says nothing will be released afterall.
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Saddlebags said:
But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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They made mention of a value pack, but scrapped the idea 2 days later.
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The nexus line will always get the update first after all base updates comes from google then google will give the source codes to the other company.
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Sammie's loss, 'cause all I can say is, I'm stuck with 14 months left on this contract, and looks like I'm going back to HTC after that.
This also helps me to decide on my new tablet... and the brand won't be Samsung now.
I love my phone ... but I hate Samsung.
They are a bunch of capitalist bastards. I understand that everyone is out to make money, but as it was mentioned, many people have 2 year contracts with their phone company. I for one refuse to pay $600 for a phone. That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. And personally I know many others who feel the same way ... we wait until our upgrade is available and then upgrade to the best possible option.
For those of us that feel the way that we do, not supporting their older devices just drives a knife between Samsung and us. Whether they support our phone or not... I will have this phone until my contract is up. If Samsung does not support my device I can assure you this will be my last Samsung device that I will ever purchase.
I always found that odd, like simple math escapes the masses or some lol - kats refuse to pay 600 for a phone outright, but those same kats are cool with taking it in the ass for 2 years and paying 2136 in that time frame (basic Tmo 89 a month unlimited/limited plan)
...which means you're paying a **** ton more than 600 for that phone lol
OT;
I completely understand everyone's frustrations with capitalism, but Samsung is no different than any other large or small corporation blatantly raping our asses for cash (car insurance is a great example) - that's what we're all born and bred to do, become consumers, nothing more, nothing less - everyone on this god forsaken planet epitomizes insanity with their 9-5 lives of compliance, mediocrity and consumer slavery, don't do a damn thing about it, but then expect the slave owners to listen when they have a problem with the dirty spoon they're forced to eat with - lol wake the [email protected] up ..meh, better yet, simply continue to live your life in a dream world thinking you're unique and special ..just like everyone else - yeah, it's much easier that way lol - c'est la vie
I've never been an Apple 'fan boy', and the only Apple hardware I ever owned was iPhone 4. I bought it in October 2010 because at that time it had the best display on the market (retina). I've always been a big Google fan and always preferred their products (Chrome, Maps, Drive, etc.). A month ago I ported my phone number to a new carrier (Wind Mobile, Canada) with inexpensive unlimited plans. Wind's frequencies (AWS) are not supported by iPhone yet, so I had to buy a new Android phone (Galaxy Nexus). I was really excited to get Android as my experience with Google was excellent so far. I was very happy with iPhone 4 and iOS, and expected Android to be as good if not better than iOS. I rooted my Android right away and installed 4.1.1. Now I'm gonna share my observations:
Hardware: Galaxy Nexus looks and feels really cheap (like kid's toy): plastic is probably the cheapest Samsung was able to find. Touch screen sensitivity is as bad as it gets - often you have to tap 2-3 times to make it work. Hardly any competition to iPhone 4.
Software: buggy and underdeveloped. I can't believe Google actually seriously markets Android which looks and feels like beta version which requires lots of testing before final release. Some bugs are so outrageous, that I doubt if Google bothered to hire QA team at all: for example when I try so send SMS and use my phone book to enter a recipient's phone number, SMS fails cause a phone number entered is missing area code somehow. What the hell? I think it's a bit over the top. Same apps on Android are not as functional, 'nice' and 'smooth' as on iOS. It looks like Android has lots of potential, but now is still in early stages of development. iOS is by far superior in any aspect at the moment: practically bug free and very user friendly.
Verdict: there are rumours that iPhone 5 will support AWS frequencies - if that's the case, I'm gonna dump Android without any regrets. What a shame, Google!
0/10 really bad failtroll. Try harder, make your story more believable and add in some buzzwords for good measure. This hurts to watch. Back in my day, trolling used to mean something.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
Funny though you rooted it immediately and flashed a Rom onto your device which you said was 4.1.1 then you proceeded to ***** about the software which apparently wasn't stock Android we have no clue how you screwed up your own device in rooting your phone. Nice try though "Apple fan boy".
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IMO,
Sony makes the best phones as build quality but they're not updating their phones at all, or really late, and they don't put the latest hardware in their phones. (yes other brands usually suck at build quality)
and there is nothing wrong with the Android software,
If Sony makes a Nexus device, that will be the best and the sexiest device out there.
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Funny though you rooted it immediately and flashed a Rom onto your device which you said was 4.1.1 then you proceeded to ***** about the software which apparently wasn't stock Android we have no clue how you screwed up your own device in rooting your phone. Nice try though "Apple fan boy".
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Don't feed the troll. Pic related, what's going to happen.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
Well you are running a custom Rom, of course it will be buggy... And unlike iOS that has been the exact same for how many years,android is a developing platform. It has been completely revamped in the last few years.
The custom rom is causing all of your troubles. I have had 3 android phones and I've never had a problem on stock firmware. My rooted Desire died when I clocked it to 2.5Ghz in freezer (motherboard failure), which was MY FAULT. My One V never failed on me and my G1 was live last time I looked at it.
As with build quality - you are blaming the OS? Samsung is plastic galore, why did you pick a galaxy nexus if you want a metal and glass machine? My phone is excellent build quality, cost me 280$ CAD with no contract, it is a middle of the range device - yet it is still an aluminum unibody, and I'm overclocking at 1.5Ghz.
Get a stock android device not made by Samsung and you've got your next iPhone.
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If you look at Android then and now, you will see how much it has changed.
If you look at iOS then and now, you see that nothing has changed. They don't want to add more features which is why it seems so bug free.
Kinda like Olympic gymnastics, you have a higher potential score if you plan on doing more complex moves, but also a bigger chance of making a mistake. But if you choose simple, your potential score is low but you probably won't get many deductions. And guess what? Android is the more complex gymnast that will continue to learn more moves. When it makes a mistake, it trains via an update to fix it.
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Don't feed the troll. Pic related, what's going to happen.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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He isnt even trolling. Just because he doesnt like android.
gagdude said:
If you look at Android then and now, you will see how much it has changed.
If you look at iOS then and now, you see that nothing has changed. They don't want to add more features which is why it seems so bug free.
Kinda like Olympic gymnastics, you have a higher potential score if you plan on doing more complex moves, but also a bigger chance of making a mistake. But if you choose simple, your potential score is low but you probably won't get many deductions. And guess what? Android is the more complex gymnast that will continue to learn more moves. When it makes a mistake, it trains via an update to fix it.
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I think that's one of the best breakdowns I've seen comparing the benefits and cons of both.
That was enjoyable and refreshing to read +1
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Liquidmetal6 said:
I think that's one of the best breakdowns I've seen comparing the benefits and cons of both.
That was enjoyable and refreshing to read +1
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The only unbiased post on here, IMO.
Your gonna get so bored on an iPhone. Within 2 months for sure. Trust me, i had one and here i am back on Android.
>mfw troll thread
>mfw people defending troll
>mfw I doubt myself, maybe just stupid person
>mfw XDA
jdeoxys said:
>mfw troll thread
>mfw people defending troll
>mfw I doubt myself, maybe just stupid person
>mfw XDA
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Makes no sense...
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Makes no sense...
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mfw = my face when
Basically means my reaction.
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mfw = my face when
Basically means my reaction.
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I knew the first part. But now its clear when you described it the other way. Got it now
The only thing that IOS has over android is an apple on the back. But we prefer the big LTE on our android phones.
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Same here... but in choosing a topic - I was the ultimate apple fan boy... every gadget i had, every udpate i hung for - then a friend introduced me to his Galaxy S3 - wow. I was using a prehistoric phone and OS.
Android the only way to go!
Go stick your nose directly into jobs' crack. Maybe he'll come to life and let you suck his iDildo
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Mozmoz.aly said:
Same here... but in choosing a topic - I was the ultimate apple fan boy... every gadget i had, every udpate i hung for - then a friend introduced me to his Galaxy S3 - wow. I was using a prehistoric phone and OS.
Android the only way to go!
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We'll see once winphone 8 comes out. That actually MIGHT give some competition to android. ios will be left in the dust as usual. Also, are you me? I had the same exact thing happen except with an iphone 4 and a milestone xt720.
I never understood why apple fan boys and android fan boys, couldn't just man up, realize and accept that not everyone in the world has the same preferences as they do. They act as if they own the companies or something. Grow up. They're PHONES. It's not that serious and it shouldn't be to begin with.
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Petition to Samsung and At&t to unlock the bootloader. Please sign the petition, share and pass along.
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-usa-at-t-unlock-the-bootloader-of-the-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337-2
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linkin275 said:
Petition to Samsung and At&t to unlock the bootloader. Please sign the petition, share and pass along.
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-usa-at-t-unlock-the-bootloader-of-the-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337-2
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Why? Has this been successful with any other phone? I have never seen any evidence that AT&T cares. Samsung designed this way because AT&T wanted it this way, so petitioning Samsung won't matter. The only thing that will matter is not buying from AT&T (or Verizon) in the future.
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Why? Has this been successful with any other phone? I have never seen any evidence that AT&T cares. Samsung designed this way because AT&T wanted it this way, so petitioning Samsung won't matter. The only thing that will matter is not buying from AT&T (or Verizon) in the future.
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This. OP I feel your hope and frustration but it won't do much. Samsung just makes the device to how AT&T specifies and AT&T just really doesn't care. Like the one guy said, we just gotta stop buying the service and considering T-Mobile eased on the contracts and didn't lock there boot loader, it won't be that bad.
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yep not upgrading my s3.. just like I don't support apple with locked down
OS's.. I will not get locked phones from att and will switch when contract is up if they don't get their act together.
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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This.
toxicpaulution said:
I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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$$$
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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When a 32gb nexus is $350 and the 32gb GS4 GE Will be around 700 dollars? I'd rather have spent it on two Nexus 4's but then again I'd have a stupid smartphone if I got the GE S4 since I'd have all the sensors and nothing to use them with. That sir is a waste.
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When a 32gb nexus is $350 and the 32gb GS4 GE Will be around 700 dollars? I'd rather have spent it on two Nexus 4's but then again I'd have a stupid smartphone if I got the GE S4 since I'd have all the sensors and nothing to use them with. That sir is a waste.
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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Uhh because a lot of that stuff isn't built into aosp yet?? Same reason why they already said the One Google edition won't use the IR blaster. Its not that Samsung isn't capable of doing it, its that I doubt Google will let them being that its supposed to be stripped down vanilla android. Verizon messed with the galaxy nexus and are rumored to have been discluded from further nexuses because of it. We could also all shut up and stop speculating until it comes out
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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How much is a 16gb unlocked galaxy S4? 625$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BV1NKCW/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
How much is 2 nexus 4's? 600$
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_4_8GB?id=nexus_4_8gb&hl=en
so technically you can get two cheaper for the price of one. And you speak as if I don't think Google could add those features in, I know they made the code. But I also know that they are going to follow the footsteps HTC did when they released their Google edition. Its the lines of Google edition to make it as bone stock as possible. As long as the OS runs with the camera and calling that's what matters to them. Yes maybe down the road Samsung will give an update for the sensors, but that will be down the road. Also the GE won't be the last of the line. When they ship the red,blue,brown, and purple they will be shipped with standard touchwiz.
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Only has 26 signatures, I don't think ATT or Samsung will even give this a 2nd thought or even make its way into a meeting agenda at the corporate level.
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Only has 26 signatures, I don't think ATT or Samsung will even give this a 2nd thought or even make its way into a meeting agenda at the corporate level.
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It only has 26 signatures because most of us know that there is not sufficient user-base outrage for this practice to change.
The logic is as follows:
Group 1) I'd garner that 70-80% of all AT&T Galaxy S4 owners are unaware of what Linux is, let alone it's relation to their phone. So forget about bootloaders, and signing chains, and stuff like that. It's all greek to them. They just want to browse the web, visit Facebook, and send text messages. If it happens on a slim phone with a big pretty screen, then they're happy.
Group 2) There's maybe another 10-15% who actually understand the underlying concepts of Android/Linux etc, but who have no interest in modifying their phones. Those are techy or semi-techy people, who again, really just want to browse the web, use apps, and have a slim pretty phone.
Group 3) That leaves about 5-10% who actually desire to "modify" anything about their phone, and have any technical ability to do so.
Group 4) Out of that 5-10%, many of those people don't understand the intricacies of the boot process (or signature signing), and just "follow directions closely" to get what they want, and go home happy. That's probably the majority of visitors to XDA, which leaves....
Group 5) At most 5% of all AT&T Galaxy S4 users. These people actually understand how Android/Linux/boot chain process works, at least at a higher level. Don't ask them to read the source code, but they get the general idea.
Group 6) These are the people who actually understand and actually decide/agree to spend their time signing the petition.
Now to be fair, these numbers are as accurate as either the 2004 presidential election results or the number of secret NSA warrants issued every year. Aka, they're not very accurate. But I think you get the picture.
Even in the best case scenario, where you get 100% of Group 5 to sign, and god forbid, maybe even 100% of Group 4, that's still barely enough of a user base for AT&T to even consider your argument. And there's likely no reason they'd acquiesce anyway. While it's a big bummer to us modders, I'm sure there is a reason AT&T chose to go to the trouble of "locking the bootloader". In theory, it's a nice idea if you're selling to, I dunno, the government, or a big corporation... Your sales pitch is: "We use hardware in the phone to prevent modifying, so that when you go visit China, or wherever, we can 100% guarantee that no software bugs were installed in your phone. Secure bootloader means we can guarantee the entire process from boot up, to application loading, meaning your data is secure in our hands." Or some bullsh1t like that. Believe me, the reason at&t did it is for profit, but not to profit by screwing us modders over, to profit by engaging in a sales pitch to a select but profitable group of customers (who aren't you or me).
So long story short, it's a lost cause.
you have serious problems in math..
by the way, many people could be in the group that "just fallows directions closely" and still would like the bootloader to get unlocked (because someone with knowledge will take that advantage, create roms or whatever and share them with obviously, the "easy instructions to fallow"..
cotasa said:
you have serious problems in math..
by the way, many people could be in the group that "just fallows directions closely" and still would like the bootloader to get unlocked (because someone with knowledge will take that advantage, create roms or whatever and share them with obviously, the "easy instructions to fallow"..
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Lol, which is what I said... Granted in a rambling way, and duh, I pulled those numbers out of my butt. Which I also alluded to.
Either way, point stands that no petition is gonna change the situation. And that less than 30 people have signed said petition. That part ain't math, or subjective.
And as I also said, there's still the plane option...
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Even if there were 100K signatures, unless people buy a different product so that the carrier sees it hurting their revenue, they have no incentive.
How many people ditched AT&T to buy the t-mobile version? Not many. So an unlocked boot loader, even with cheaper data plans, is not enough to fuel consumer outrage.
Petitions are meaningless if there are no consequences. If t-mo ever gets better coverage, I may switch, but until then any threat to leave by me is empty. I think AT&T knows that.
I signed petition and I sent it to many friends via email to bring attention to the matter. Maybe someone can post in Facebook and any other sites?? Im also considering donation towards bounty for developers who unlock bootloader or alternative methods of adding recovery.
I think what will add weight to this issue is the fact that you cannot do a factory data reset and that KIES complains about the firmware.
Some people with legit issues contacting Samsung for support may be instructed to "power off unit - hold volume down and power on - blah blah blah" which gets you to the android screen with message "cannot boot into normal mode"
Samsung cannot even suggest to anyone to reapply firmware to fix issues at this time.
How do I know this? I called them because I get "Unfortunately, Music has stopped" error message when I use the default music player and asked for help. I was given several things to try which got nowhere and then they wanted to open a ticket to ship my phone in for repair, which I declined saying "I need my phone as it is my primary source of communication for home and work and cannot be without it for weeks". Then I got the survey at the end, to which I complimented the support effort but am beyond upset with Samsungs product as a simple thing like Music not working requires me to ship back the phone. $700 for a phone that "just about works" definitely will influence my next purchase.
Why is the s3 unlocked but not the s4? I had the Sony ion and decided to get a new phone, my contract isn't up for a year and some change so I just bought it out right off eBay for 310$ brand new. Its unlocked and when I had my s2 I had tasks AOKP running on it. So why lock the 4?
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I have to admit i've not bothered this year doing anything with my S4 just left it stock, but what about those that like to install custom firmwares ect, will this be your last Samsung device & if so what will you be considering next year, or have you already decided to get rid of your S4's now for something else?
Knox takes out part of the fun. Not just because of the warranty, but because of the increase risk
of an hard brick. Probably I'll revert to a more permissive platform.
Samsung Knox is probably just the beginning of the lock down.
I think that the xda comunity is to importatnt to lock down...the true inovations are always from XDA and later implemented in other devices. And not to forget about the leaking and beta testings.
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The S4 has totally put me off Samsung to be honest.
I've had every Galaxy S released and been very pleased but in my opinion the S4 was a complete flop.
Now with all this KNOX crap and secure boot loaders I'm definitely not buying Samsung next year.
I will probably get a Sony device.
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I guess I ll wait and see how the situation develop ,but probably a nexus 5 .
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3 threads about knox on the first page, seriously?
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4/26/2018- There are TWO people working on root. Don't expect it ANYTIME soon. ?. Zero progress has been made since release.
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This is the single most 'thing' I'm waiting for...is a root method for the S9+ ... I wouldn't mind something like samfail for the Note 8, which I'm running and is absolutely perfect in doing everything it needs to...
I used to be all about ROM ROM ROM ... but honestly the stock firmware has been great with it debloated and cleaned up.
Hoping for the best... If we get Root for the S9+ (SD variant) I'm in for another S9+ lol...
Note: As some of you know like with the Note 8, there exists the v1, v2, v2.5, v3 root methods for the different firmware. What I'm curious about is at what point will we be completely locked out of our S9+'s due to those virus updates/patches?
Tip: DO NO BLINDLY JUMP TO UPDATES FOLKS... NEIN NEIN NEIN.... If you roll up too far and that virus update/patch so happens to be the one to lock the device out from ever being able to obtain some kind of root, you'll be totally SOL.
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This is the single most 'thing' I'm waiting for...is a root for the S9+ ... I wouldn't mind something like samfail for the Note 8, which I'm running and is absolutely perfect in doing everything it needs to...
I used to be all about ROM ROM ROM ... but honestly the stock firmware has been great with it debloated and cleaned up.
Hoping for the best... If we get Root for the S9+ (SD variant) I'm in for another S9+ lol...
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Stock has come a long way.
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Stock has come a long way.
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Yes indeed it has. MM 6.0 was great...Nougat 7.0 has been awesome....Oreo 8.0 has been a complete disaster like LP 5.0 was.
I still favor the simplicity of the good ol' JB 4.3 days lol....
At the end of the day, I'll take root over a custom ROM any day and I'm sure a lot of folks are in that same boat as well...
Not being able to use Titanium Back Up has been painful. :fingers-crossed: for root for the S9+
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Yes indeed it has. MM 6.0 was great...Nougat 7.0 has been awesome....Oreo 8.0 has been a complete disaster like LP 5.0 was.
I still favor the simplicity of the good ol' JB 4.3 days lol....
At the end of the day, I'll take root over a custom ROM any day and I'm sure a lot of folks are in that same boat as well...
Not being able to use Titanium Back Up has been painful. :fingers-crossed: for root for the S9+
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What's the problem with 8.0? It hasn't even been fully released on all devices yet.
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What's the problem with 8.0? It hasn't even been fully released on all devices yet.
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For the apps that I use, it's mainly compatibility issues...also as time goes on things are getting more and more locked down. Heck Android P might as well rename it to Android iOS. It's absolutely daunting on where Android is headed now.... it is drunk on the Apple kool aid.
What happened to asop and the freedom right?
I'm very happy with 8.0
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For the apps that I use, it's mainly compatibility issues...also as time goes on things are getting more and more locked down. Heck Android P might as well rename it to Android iOS. It's absolutely daunting on where Android is headed now.... it is drunk on the Apple kool aid.
What happened to asop and the freedom right?
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The reason why it's become so bad, my opinion anyway, is people who have no business rooting their phones are doing it and wrecking their phones, then wanting someone else to foot the bill for it.
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The reason why it's become so bad, my opinion anyway, is people who have no business rooting their phones are doing it and wrecking their phones, then wanting someone else to foot the bill for it.
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That could very well add to the sky falling.
However, a lot of this proprietary security stuff is causing the lock down too with Knox etc...
They should just offer the ability to unlock bl/BB and have a button that needs be to tapped 10x to confirm the void in warranty by proceeding... That way it's idiot proof and fair game.
If people are too lazy to read, then they deserve to pay the tuition of reality check 101 lol..
I know I'm blunt... But it's the truth and most would agree.
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iunlock said:
That could very well add to the sky falling.
However, a lot of this proprietary security stuff is causing the lock down too with Knox etc...
They should just offer the ability to unlock bl/BB and have a button that needs be to tapped 10x to confirm the void in warranty by proceeding... That way it's idiot proof and fair game.
If people are too lazy to read, then they deserve to pay the tuition of reality check 101 lol..
I know I'm blunt... But it's the truth and most would agree.
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Pretty much the way it is in the automotive world. You blow it up, you fix it.
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why someone even bother to buy trash broken snapdragon version, just why ?
we have a normal unlocked working version with exynos chipset.
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why someone even bother to buy trash broken snapdragon version, just why ?
we have a normal unlocked working version with exynos chipset.
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Because that is the default device for the North American market.
I'm perfectly happy with my SD version. Good battery life and performance seems to be spectacular.
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why someone even bother to buy trash broken snapdragon version, just why ?
we have a normal unlocked working version with exynos chipset.
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...AND because those with T-Mobile can get land a killer deal on the top Samsung flagships.
Ex. T-Mobile had a BOGO Deal on the Note 8, which makes both of my Note 8's come out to ~$410. If I sell my 2nd one, I would be making +$300 to own my current Note 8 LOL ... just saying... (Pic attached of the $820 pre paid Mastercard for proof that I got back for the 2nd Note 8... not that it's needed, but it doesn't hurt to back it up.) Even if I keep my 2nd Note 8 as a back up, I'm still in the win for obtaining a flagship for less than the wannabe chinese knock off's out there that are no longer really cheap at $450-$500+ now *cough* OP5 ...
The S9/S9+ has a trade in deal right now as well for either $200 or $360, depending on what phone you trade in. So why would I pass up getting $200 for my old S4's and S5's? ...there's no way to get even close to that in today's market.... it's a no brainer.
I do agree that the Exynos variants are much better in terms of CPU and Dev support. A non rooted phone is useless to me, so that is one of the reasons why I even opted for the SD Note 8, ONLY because it has root. As for the S9+ there is a working Titanium Back Up alternative that allows me to freeze the virus software updates so that's the only reason why the S9+ is not going back. We're all hoping for a root for the SD S9+'s.... fingers crossed.
Of course I'd love to get my hands on the 256GB Exynos S9+, however, it is still unsure if it will suffer from the carrier aggregation the Exynos Note 8 had on our US networks. I know that there are a few folks that have ordered the Korean 256GB Exynos variant, so once we get confirmation that those work 100% with TM, I'm all in for another S9+.
So I keep pushing the first update back. Should I go ahead and take it? I'm on Verizon and I know sometimes firmware from release date is easier to root.
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Hopefully the S9 line gets root. The S8 having no proper form of root at the time and the Note 8 being such a good deal while having root made it hard not to get. Hopefully they Note 9 has a form of Samfail again.
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So I keep pushing the first update back. Should I go ahead and take it? I'm on Verizon and I know sometimes firmware from release date is easier to root.
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I'm wondering the same thing. Please.
Dude, after the s5, all of my knowledge on rooting etc has gone in the crapper.
I have the unlocked us variant but am on Verizon's network.
As ll the talk regarding the s8+ was even so hard for me to understand and all this used to be so easy. Where did I take a wrong turn? Lol
Doesn't look good guys. Seems like zero development is going on for us Snapdragon users. I've asked and looked in every message board. Seems it's only me and 2 other people working on root.
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Doesn't look good guys. Seems like zero development is going on for us Snapdragon users. I've asked and looked in every message board. Seems it's only me and 2 other people working on root.
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Noooooooo! I don't even know where to begin to help.
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