Petition to Samsung and At&t to unlock the bootloader. Please sign the petition, share and pass along.
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-usa-at-t-unlock-the-bootloader-of-the-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337-2
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Petition to Samsung and At&t to unlock the bootloader. Please sign the petition, share and pass along.
http://www.change.org/petitions/samsung-usa-at-t-unlock-the-bootloader-of-the-galaxy-s4-sgh-i337-2
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Why? Has this been successful with any other phone? I have never seen any evidence that AT&T cares. Samsung designed this way because AT&T wanted it this way, so petitioning Samsung won't matter. The only thing that will matter is not buying from AT&T (or Verizon) in the future.
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Why? Has this been successful with any other phone? I have never seen any evidence that AT&T cares. Samsung designed this way because AT&T wanted it this way, so petitioning Samsung won't matter. The only thing that will matter is not buying from AT&T (or Verizon) in the future.
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This. OP I feel your hope and frustration but it won't do much. Samsung just makes the device to how AT&T specifies and AT&T just really doesn't care. Like the one guy said, we just gotta stop buying the service and considering T-Mobile eased on the contracts and didn't lock there boot loader, it won't be that bad.
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yep not upgrading my s3.. just like I don't support apple with locked down
OS's.. I will not get locked phones from att and will switch when contract is up if they don't get their act together.
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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This.
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I'd get a nexus if it had replaceable battery and an external sd card :/
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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$$$
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Galaxy S4 Google Edition.
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When a 32gb nexus is $350 and the 32gb GS4 GE Will be around 700 dollars? I'd rather have spent it on two Nexus 4's but then again I'd have a stupid smartphone if I got the GE S4 since I'd have all the sensors and nothing to use them with. That sir is a waste.
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When a 32gb nexus is $350 and the 32gb GS4 GE Will be around 700 dollars? I'd rather have spent it on two Nexus 4's but then again I'd have a stupid smartphone if I got the GE S4 since I'd have all the sensors and nothing to use them with. That sir is a waste.
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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Uhh because a lot of that stuff isn't built into aosp yet?? Same reason why they already said the One Google edition won't use the IR blaster. Its not that Samsung isn't capable of doing it, its that I doubt Google will let them being that its supposed to be stripped down vanilla android. Verizon messed with the galaxy nexus and are rumored to have been discluded from further nexuses because of it. We could also all shut up and stop speculating until it comes out
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And where is it official that the Google Edition will not include any functionality for all the new sensors, etc? You do release that Samsung has the source code right? And as one of Google's closest manufacturing partners.... It's still rather unlikely that they'd ship a $650 flagship phone with all its key features gimped... Right?
I mean, it totally could happen, but I find it rather unlikely that it'll be that much worse than a regular GS4. And before you go on a "it's all baked into TouchJizz therefore it can't work without it" style rant, that's simply not true. Again, Samsung designed the fricking phone, I'm pretty sure they can expose an intelligent interface to their fancy new sensors without the TW framework if they wanted.
Nothing is set in stone yet, but don't assume that these types of questions haven't been thought of, and possible solutions found, by the smart folks at Google and Samsung.
The $$$ on the other hand versus a Nexus 4, is a different question. Clearly the GS4 is a much better phone, but a 2x more expensive phone? Probably not.
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How much is a 16gb unlocked galaxy S4? 625$
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00BV1NKCW/ref=redir_mdp_mobile
How much is 2 nexus 4's? 600$
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details/Nexus_4_8GB?id=nexus_4_8gb&hl=en
so technically you can get two cheaper for the price of one. And you speak as if I don't think Google could add those features in, I know they made the code. But I also know that they are going to follow the footsteps HTC did when they released their Google edition. Its the lines of Google edition to make it as bone stock as possible. As long as the OS runs with the camera and calling that's what matters to them. Yes maybe down the road Samsung will give an update for the sensors, but that will be down the road. Also the GE won't be the last of the line. When they ship the red,blue,brown, and purple they will be shipped with standard touchwiz.
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Only has 26 signatures, I don't think ATT or Samsung will even give this a 2nd thought or even make its way into a meeting agenda at the corporate level.
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Only has 26 signatures, I don't think ATT or Samsung will even give this a 2nd thought or even make its way into a meeting agenda at the corporate level.
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It only has 26 signatures because most of us know that there is not sufficient user-base outrage for this practice to change.
The logic is as follows:
Group 1) I'd garner that 70-80% of all AT&T Galaxy S4 owners are unaware of what Linux is, let alone it's relation to their phone. So forget about bootloaders, and signing chains, and stuff like that. It's all greek to them. They just want to browse the web, visit Facebook, and send text messages. If it happens on a slim phone with a big pretty screen, then they're happy.
Group 2) There's maybe another 10-15% who actually understand the underlying concepts of Android/Linux etc, but who have no interest in modifying their phones. Those are techy or semi-techy people, who again, really just want to browse the web, use apps, and have a slim pretty phone.
Group 3) That leaves about 5-10% who actually desire to "modify" anything about their phone, and have any technical ability to do so.
Group 4) Out of that 5-10%, many of those people don't understand the intricacies of the boot process (or signature signing), and just "follow directions closely" to get what they want, and go home happy. That's probably the majority of visitors to XDA, which leaves....
Group 5) At most 5% of all AT&T Galaxy S4 users. These people actually understand how Android/Linux/boot chain process works, at least at a higher level. Don't ask them to read the source code, but they get the general idea.
Group 6) These are the people who actually understand and actually decide/agree to spend their time signing the petition.
Now to be fair, these numbers are as accurate as either the 2004 presidential election results or the number of secret NSA warrants issued every year. Aka, they're not very accurate. But I think you get the picture.
Even in the best case scenario, where you get 100% of Group 5 to sign, and god forbid, maybe even 100% of Group 4, that's still barely enough of a user base for AT&T to even consider your argument. And there's likely no reason they'd acquiesce anyway. While it's a big bummer to us modders, I'm sure there is a reason AT&T chose to go to the trouble of "locking the bootloader". In theory, it's a nice idea if you're selling to, I dunno, the government, or a big corporation... Your sales pitch is: "We use hardware in the phone to prevent modifying, so that when you go visit China, or wherever, we can 100% guarantee that no software bugs were installed in your phone. Secure bootloader means we can guarantee the entire process from boot up, to application loading, meaning your data is secure in our hands." Or some bullsh1t like that. Believe me, the reason at&t did it is for profit, but not to profit by screwing us modders over, to profit by engaging in a sales pitch to a select but profitable group of customers (who aren't you or me).
So long story short, it's a lost cause.
you have serious problems in math..
by the way, many people could be in the group that "just fallows directions closely" and still would like the bootloader to get unlocked (because someone with knowledge will take that advantage, create roms or whatever and share them with obviously, the "easy instructions to fallow"..
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you have serious problems in math..
by the way, many people could be in the group that "just fallows directions closely" and still would like the bootloader to get unlocked (because someone with knowledge will take that advantage, create roms or whatever and share them with obviously, the "easy instructions to fallow"..
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Lol, which is what I said... Granted in a rambling way, and duh, I pulled those numbers out of my butt. Which I also alluded to.
Either way, point stands that no petition is gonna change the situation. And that less than 30 people have signed said petition. That part ain't math, or subjective.
And as I also said, there's still the plane option...
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Even if there were 100K signatures, unless people buy a different product so that the carrier sees it hurting their revenue, they have no incentive.
How many people ditched AT&T to buy the t-mobile version? Not many. So an unlocked boot loader, even with cheaper data plans, is not enough to fuel consumer outrage.
Petitions are meaningless if there are no consequences. If t-mo ever gets better coverage, I may switch, but until then any threat to leave by me is empty. I think AT&T knows that.
I signed petition and I sent it to many friends via email to bring attention to the matter. Maybe someone can post in Facebook and any other sites?? Im also considering donation towards bounty for developers who unlock bootloader or alternative methods of adding recovery.
I think what will add weight to this issue is the fact that you cannot do a factory data reset and that KIES complains about the firmware.
Some people with legit issues contacting Samsung for support may be instructed to "power off unit - hold volume down and power on - blah blah blah" which gets you to the android screen with message "cannot boot into normal mode"
Samsung cannot even suggest to anyone to reapply firmware to fix issues at this time.
How do I know this? I called them because I get "Unfortunately, Music has stopped" error message when I use the default music player and asked for help. I was given several things to try which got nowhere and then they wanted to open a ticket to ship my phone in for repair, which I declined saying "I need my phone as it is my primary source of communication for home and work and cannot be without it for weeks". Then I got the survey at the end, to which I complimented the support effort but am beyond upset with Samsungs product as a simple thing like Music not working requires me to ship back the phone. $700 for a phone that "just about works" definitely will influence my next purchase.
Why is the s3 unlocked but not the s4? I had the Sony ion and decided to get a new phone, my contract isn't up for a year and some change so I just bought it out right off eBay for 310$ brand new. Its unlocked and when I had my s2 I had tasks AOKP running on it. So why lock the 4?
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The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update! What samsung should be doing is updating there flag ship phones first, there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot. these phones come out way to fast, can we get a chance to enjoy the phone with gb first? The prime will probably be out before we even get gb smh. HELLO SAMSUNG AND VERIZON, THE DROID CHARGE IS ONE OF YOUR FLAGSHIP DEVICES, UPDATE TO THE LATEST SOFTWARE!, THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE! JUST IMAGINE IF I WOULD'VE PAID I'D BE REALLY PISSED. bottom line is the droid charge is a great phone and I want to use it to its full potential before I upgrade to a newer device.spread the word care for your customers
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So would you rather they release buggy software prematurely to fix a buggy phone? They've been working on GB (and it's been leaking), which is why I've been enjoying GB for well over a month. Anyways, what you're upset about is the way the cell phone industry tends to work. They're not going to stop updating their model lines just because they haven't put out an update for existing models yet.
Just imagine how Thunderbolt owners feel.
Correction: Droid(Nexus) Prime time is a Nexus successor.
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phone envy is frequent for me personally
whenever a new phone comes out i get pissed i bought my previous one
but honestly the prime and charge have little connection to each other...if the prime is a nexus phone then basically its a samsung designed phone that google does the software for, so it would have no impact whatsoever on touchwiz updates for the charge
samsung has submitted dozens of builds to verizon and from what i can see each one gets better and better
is it annoying that there is no official gb yet? sure but the same could be said for the fascinate or even worse no official FROYO for the continuum
vzw and samsung combo equals slow updates
its a reality of buying from those two and its not a secret (droid branding or not)
the thunderbolt doesnt have official gb either fwiw nor the lg lte phone
i personally have an inc2 and wont be pissed when the vigor comes out (same time frame inc2 launch to vigor vs charge launch to prime)...granted i have several upgrades and will probably just go pick that up too
The Droid Prime is likely NOT to be a Nexus device (or else it would have the Nexus name). It's software will most likely be managed by Verizon, rather than Google, and probably carry all of the crapware we've all come to know and love hate.
Phone dev cycles seem to be roughly bi-annually to quarterly, depending on the software and hardware available. At any given time, any one dev shop (HTC, Samsung, wherever) will be simultaneously be working on at least 2 software versions for any given device (as evidenced by the lower build date on the Fascinate's initial GB leak compared to the final FroYo leak).
And to pick some nits with the OP:
supposed, their, they're, their, too
Thank you BGR for starting the DROID Prime rumor. NO ONE knows what the device will be when it shows up, when it will show up, or much of anything else about it. We have a few unconfirmed details, but that is it. The people that do know what the device will be called aren't talking. Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
Smells like buyers remorse in here.
There's a thread like this one in every phone's forum on XDA without exception.
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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Smells like buyers remorse in here.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Coming to the Charge from the Fascinate I knew damn well that this would happen but I took it anyway as it was the best option (and still is... LOL bionic), and I don't regret it at all... if you haven't figured out by now that there's gonna be a new phone out every six months or so thats 10 times better than your current one then you must be new to android... I know it must take a lot to try and update the tons of phones a carrier has on each cell provider, making specific coding changes to get it to work with the individual phones hardware and whatnot so I don't mind and will be more than happy to burn an upgrade or drop some money on the new beast thats out at the time
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Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
Is there any confirmation that the Prime is even going to be released on Verizon?
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
Your right, hopefully droid prime gets pure google like the motorola droid did
That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
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The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update!
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Buy an iCrap if you want boxed up updates with a nice bow and personal nametag.
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THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE!
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I DID pay for this phone and am in no way pissed at samsung or verizon. You got the phone for free, so shut your mouth and count your blessings.
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there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot
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Technology changes faster than a retards underwear.
Also, aren't the samsung droid charge devs on xda? What updates aren't you getting
Last thing....
Your problem with android is superior technology and forward motion?
I guess im confused.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Buyer/owner, whatever...my point was that you sound like you don't want the phone in its current state. I'm running a Gingerbread ROM with the TouchWiz 4.0 launcher. If your biggest complaint is the lack of those two things, they've both been available for those willing to put them on the phone themselves.
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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Hater, your the troll I just said what was on my mind about the manufacturer never said the droid charge wasn't a great phone so how am I trolling, I dislike people like you who come on the forum just to talk smack about a person's thoughts, speak on the subject not about me you punk.have a good day, you need it.
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I keep hearing that Sammy's perspective is that there is no "financial incentive" to provide updates to old phones. Well here is one. I will never buy another samsung android phone so long as they have this policy. I will also tell everyone who will listen to do the same.
I know that if they do not support devices as recent as the SGS4G, it is only a matter of time before their new devices are unsupported.
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Heh, Raver and I were talking about why they would wind up not giving ICS to the Vibrant and it was for this reason. They're a capitalist company, and updating older phones would not be good for business. People wouldn't have an incentive to upgrade if they got the latest software all the time.
I am a little mad that they're not going to update the T959V to ICS since it falls within the 18 month time window that they're supposed to provide upgrades for. Go figure.
Yeah Sammy really wiped it's ass with the pledge it made to Google about the 18 month window.
Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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I agree with you. Hardware is a good enough incentive, but samsung is too greedy and cheap to provide the software updates for their older device. The SGS 4G is still relative new too. This is why there are people still buying, using, and praising Apple. Their support and service put samsung to shame.
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Upgrades come once every 2 years unless you drop 600 in a phone. The bs is that a new phone with better hardware comes out every 4 months and all other phones no longer get supported due to " hardware" or some crap. The galaxy s3 is coming out in a few months. Wanna bet my galaxy s2 won't be able to run android 5.0 due to hardware limitations. There are phones with weaker specs than my sgs4g that are getting ics. It's corporate greed on Sammy's part really. This is the one area, in my opinion, that apple does right. They support their devices for a good couple years. Samsung could, they just don't.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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I read something about an official statement saying Samsung is not going to update
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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Just about.
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http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/0...-deliver-value-pack-for-galaxy-s-smartphones/
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Samsung failure to provide future support - opinion
I for one, have always liked Samsung phones, since my Captivate, then Vibrant, when I switched to tmobile, to the SGS4G. It was a blessing to see Gingerbread release and source for the SGS4G. Especially since it is so different from the other Galaxy S cousins. The Vibrant is still waiting for Gingerbread, and they have a petition to hopefully convince Samsung into at least giving a Gingerbread update.
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
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I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
TM
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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Where'd you read this?
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Where'd you read this?
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I would also like to know this. I have read several articles where Sammy says nothing will be released afterall.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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They made mention of a value pack, but scrapped the idea 2 days later.
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The nexus line will always get the update first after all base updates comes from google then google will give the source codes to the other company.
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Sammie's loss, 'cause all I can say is, I'm stuck with 14 months left on this contract, and looks like I'm going back to HTC after that.
This also helps me to decide on my new tablet... and the brand won't be Samsung now.
I love my phone ... but I hate Samsung.
They are a bunch of capitalist bastards. I understand that everyone is out to make money, but as it was mentioned, many people have 2 year contracts with their phone company. I for one refuse to pay $600 for a phone. That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. And personally I know many others who feel the same way ... we wait until our upgrade is available and then upgrade to the best possible option.
For those of us that feel the way that we do, not supporting their older devices just drives a knife between Samsung and us. Whether they support our phone or not... I will have this phone until my contract is up. If Samsung does not support my device I can assure you this will be my last Samsung device that I will ever purchase.
I always found that odd, like simple math escapes the masses or some lol - kats refuse to pay 600 for a phone outright, but those same kats are cool with taking it in the ass for 2 years and paying 2136 in that time frame (basic Tmo 89 a month unlimited/limited plan)
...which means you're paying a **** ton more than 600 for that phone lol
OT;
I completely understand everyone's frustrations with capitalism, but Samsung is no different than any other large or small corporation blatantly raping our asses for cash (car insurance is a great example) - that's what we're all born and bred to do, become consumers, nothing more, nothing less - everyone on this god forsaken planet epitomizes insanity with their 9-5 lives of compliance, mediocrity and consumer slavery, don't do a damn thing about it, but then expect the slave owners to listen when they have a problem with the dirty spoon they're forced to eat with - lol wake the [email protected] up ..meh, better yet, simply continue to live your life in a dream world thinking you're unique and special ..just like everyone else - yeah, it's much easier that way lol - c'est la vie
So today Samsung officially announced their new low-end phone, the Galaxy Music.
http://m.gsmarena.com/the_samsung_g...icial_has_a_dualsim_version_too-news-4921.php
Why did this make me rage? It has 850 MHz processor, and 512 mb of ram, and is running touchwiz ICS.
You know, the same touchwiz ICS that Samsung said is unable to run on our phone. We have a faster processor and the same amount of ram as this device, but they said it couldn't run on our device.
Why Samsung? Why would you lie to us?
Wow I agree
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still good news if someone is able to port the ROM to our phones.
The Nexus S has it, lots of other phones do with the same specs. It's who they decide to screw over and sadly our phones that get sold to the smaller carriers using the 1700 spectrum get left out. My old Alcatel phone got left at 2.1, while the new version that came out with identical specs but no slide out keyboard had 2.3. There is other phones at Wind (the Canadian TMobile) that got left behind too. Guess they don't sell enough to justify it or just don't care. lol.
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The Nexus S has it, lots of other phones do with the same specs. It's who they decide to screw over and sadly our phones that get sold to the smaller carriers using the 1700 spectrum get left out. My old Alcatel phone got left at 2.1, while the new version that came out with identical specs but no slide out keyboard had 2.3. There is other phones at Wind (the Canadian TMobile) that got left behind too. Guess they don't sell enough to justify it or just don't care. lol.
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The galaxy s line was one of the best selling android phones at the time. There were millions sold, enough the justify an update. This makes me want to stay away from Samsung, who's to say they won't give the same treatment to the galaxy s 3 or note 2 after a year?
"They" will. Once a phone is no longer "new" the carriers don't have incentives to pay the manufacturer to update the phone. The manufacturer has no incentive once the phone has faded to the point that it no longer can demand a high price from the carrier.
It's not a Samsung thing. It will be for any market players.
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Yeah this isnt something new look at what Motorola just did. They promised ICS to several devices and just went back on that. There is no implied or contractual standing that manufacturers have to provide a update beyond what the phone is shipped with. I know there is some agreements between Google and the manufacturers but with what Motorola just did its proof that is easy to get out of.
When you buy a pc do you get guaranteed updates to the OS for free? Im glad we have the ability to build our own versions and install on the devices.
Look at all the people that bought a brand new PowerPC Mac, then Mac switched to Intel/X86 chips. Sure, for the first year or so, they got updates and people made software for both PowerPC and Intel Mac's, but that faded quick and now the new MacOS's are Intel only and all new Mac software is for Intel based Mac's. People bought a $4000 Mac and got screwed 6 months later.
And as stated above, it's not just Samsung, as I said, my Alcatel got screwed up. They even promised a 2.3upgrade, then poof, nothing. Luckily a devoted XDA dev made a 2.3 for it, but again, it's in the hands of Devs, not the company.
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The galaxy s line was one of the best selling android phones at the time. There were millions sold, enough the justify an update. This makes me want to stay away from Samsung, who's to say they won't give the same treatment to the galaxy s 3 or note 2 after a year?
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Who's to say LG or HTC or Motorola or Huawi or whatever phone you go to, won't do the same thing with the new phone you buy that's not a Samsung.
This is exactly why I'm just going with the next nexus. Either that or the iPhone. Say what you want to about the iPhone but it simply works. It doesn't need custom rooms, hacking, or anything for it to just work smooth, fast, and have amazing battery life. I don't care if it doesn't have the same customizations..I don't spend my entire day customizing my phone. The only time I ever bother doing that is right after I flash a rom and after that I just use it..
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This is exactly why I'm just going with the next nexus. Either that or the iPhone. Say what you want to about the iPhone but it simply works. It doesn't need custom rooms, hacking, or anything for it to just work smooth, fast, and have amazing battery life. I don't care if it doesn't have the same customizations..I don't spend my entire day customizing my phone. The only time I ever bother doing that is right after I flash a rom and after that I just use it..
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The problem is they get left out too. Siri comes out, won't run on older phones. Next year IOS 7 will be out and will have a bunch of new stuff that only works on the iPhone 5 and 6, and some things that will work on the 4G, and maybe a few things that work for the 4 and 3's. They leave people old in the cold with older phones just as much as Android does. Oh, let's make new phones "Retina" display, then make "retina" only new apps, anyone with a year old iphone 4gs, gets screwed because their phone isn't "retina".
Add that to having to jailbreak a phone just to install a 3rd party app, no thanks. Least we can check a box to install 3rd party apps, not jump through hoops. Despite the fact that jailbreaking is legal, Apple makes it harder and harder every time. Jailbreak your phone just to install an app that wasn't approved from the Apple store, then try and get service on the phone, even for a hardware problem and see the trouble you get.
You guys don't understand how these updates work.
Even if the specs are the same, sometimes is not possible to update. Why? Because the phone has to update from gingerbread to ICS WITHOUT a data wipe. Updates always keep your data intact. With only 512mb of RAM its not possible to patch on a brand new os on top of the old one and retain all of the users data.
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With only 512mb of RAM its not possible to patch on a brand new os on top of the old one and retain all of the users data.
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T-Mobile did supply FOTA updates. It was quite possible to do it as they "reserved" the space in the OEM ROMs using a couple files in, as I recall, /data/fota/ which were recreated on boot if they did not exist.
One of the early "discoveries" of the SGS4G was that a user could recover something like 150 MB of space by deleting them and making the directory read-only.
I'm not sure why, within reason, the amount of RAM has much to do with the amount of user data. Only the system and system-app data would need to be migrated. Am I missing something in my thinking?
Edit: Credit may be wrong, but that was one of the earliest threads I found referring to it.
Its all about the money
Just wait for the Aries kernel. Don't even bother waiting for Samsung. AOSP based is better and honestly TouchWiz is nasty, so who cares?
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I know HTC has said 500 times or more "ICS is on its way"
but its like 6+ months later than they said
do you think we will see ICS for our T-Bolts?
ive read a million articles, and cant find a recent-ish one
thanks a ton everyone!
and by the way can I have some opinions about the DNA or Galaxy Note 2....one of those bad boys are my next upgrade and to me they are pretty equal, but opinions would be welcome and helpful
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I know HTC has said 500 times or more "ICS is on its way"
but its like 6+ months later than they said
do you think we will see ICS for our T-Bolts?
ive read a million articles, and cant find a recent-ish one
thanks a ton everyone!
and by the way can I have some opinions about the DNA or Galaxy Note 2....one of those bad boys are my next upgrade and to me they are pretty equal, but opinions would be welcome and helpful
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I'm doubting an official release of ICS for the Thunderbolt. I'm hoping for HTC to release more sources so that we can just build it ourselves.
And as far as those two phones go, get the DNA. Or wait until February and get the HTC M7.
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I'm doubting an official release of ICS for the Thunderbolt. I'm hoping for HTC to release more sources so that we can just build it ourselves.
And as far as those two phones go, get the DNA. Or wait until February and get the HTC M7.
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the only downfall with the dna in my opinion is that HTC makes it
now im not a htc hater, in fact they are the company that make me jump on the android ship, and ive loved them until I had the thunderbolt, rezound and incredible 4g
with the lack of updates from HTC im affraid to get the DNA, the best comparison is the droid razr and rezound; the razr has 4.1 ready to roll out in early Q1 2013 (there was an "accidental" ota update a few weeks back that gave a few hundred uses android 4.1, and motorola confirmed android 4.1 in early Q1) where the HTC rezound may get 4.1 but it will prolly be around june- and I honestly think thats on the early side.
but If HTC shows better upgrades ide jump over there to the DNA right now
Well if it makes you feel any better. The DNA already has sources out for it and it had them released the first couple of weeks of its release. It is very unlikely that a phone with the power that the dna has won't get updates. The problem the thunderbolt has had the whole time is dual core phones were right around the corner when it was made and HTC blew it off for more powerful hardware.
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Well if it makes you feel any better. The DNA already has sources out for it and it had them released the first couple of weeks of its release. It is very unlikely that a phone with the power that the dna has won't get updates. The problem the thunderbolt has had the whole time is dual core phones were right around the corner when it was made and HTC blew it off for more powerful hardware.
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These are my thoughts exactly.
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Oh and on another note. Verizon is partially to blame for the lack of support and ics on this device. They keep stonewalling the update because I think they know we still have unlimited and they want us off of it. If they give us the update then it is unlikely we will upgrade anytime soon. You also can't forget that this phone was the first from Verizon that has the svdo capability which the source to that has been kept under lock and key for quite some time now. I think that Verizon is protecting that info because they may resurrect it later on. This and the rezound are the only two phones that are able to talk and surf even on 3g. The others that are able to do this use volte (voice over lte) which only works with 4g.
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As much as I hate using my tbolt everyday....I will be holding on to the tbolt until the next nexus phone is released for Verizon. I've had an update available for a while and would gladly go get a S3 but the tbolt experience has pushed me to the point of...nexus or nothing from here on out.
Never realized how slow my TB is until I got a Nexus 7.
Anyway, I'm waiting for either the Galaxy S4 or the next Google/Moto phone. Maybe the HTC M7, depending on when the others are available.
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As much as I hate using my tbolt everyday....I will be holding on to the tbolt until the next nexus phone is released for Verizon. I've had an update available for a while and would gladly go get a S3 but the tbolt experience has pushed me to the point of...nexus or nothing from here on out.
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Probably going to be waiting awhile... There is a reason you don't see the nexus4 on Verizon
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I don't know why everyone insists on blaming HTC for lack of updates on the Thunderbolt.
It's not entirely in their hands, or I believe we would have had it long ago.
The biggest issue is actually the network itself and is what's held up many updates for various devices, in my opinion.
If you think a Nexus on VZW will make things different, THINK AGAIN.(I urge you to read the link)
No matter how good or common, or baseline a device may seem to be, it will never make the carrier any better.
Verizon just plain old SUCKS at getting updates out.
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I don't know why everyone insists on blaming HTC for lack of updates on the Thunderbolt.
It's not entirely in their hands, or I believe we would have had it long ago.
The biggest issue is actually the network itself and is what's held up many updates for various devices, in my opinion.
If you think a Nexus on VZW will make things different, THINK AGAIN.(I urge you to read the link)
No matter how good or common, or baseline a device may seem to be, it will never make the carrier any better.
Verizon just plain old SUCKS at getting updates out.
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and it wont change. ever. they have moved away from customer support because they don't need to worry about happy customers if they already have them tied down for two years. and all those issues people have disappear when its time to upgrade and the consumer is happy again. then the cycle begins again
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thanks for the feedback everyone!
I know HTC isnt just to blame, BUT if you look at apple for instance (sorry for bringing them up) they can do what they want with their phones, and the carriers can pretty much shove it if they dont like it.
now my question is this, why can apple do what they want (ex no bloatware, and updates whenever they see fit) and android companies (HTC, LG, Samsung, And even Google with the case of a nexus) cant?
I left my Thunderbolt for a Galaxy Note II and I absolutely love it. It is the perfect size for me, and it still manages to sit comfortably in my pockets. The phone overall is excellent, but the two features that stand out are the stylus and the battery life.
I did not consider getting the DNA because it has an inferior screen (resolution aside,) and the battery life has been reported to be horrendous. I would say either the Note II or the GS3 are both very safe bets if you are looking to get a new phone.
As soon as my upgrade was up, I left my HTC Thunderbolt for a Samsung Galaxy Note II. I've waiting way too long for HTC or Verizon to update this phone. I've read article after article and posted on HTC's Facebook pages and no response. They've lost me as a customer (HTC, not Verizon; I'm not giving up my unlimited data!).
I suggest the Samsung SIII or the Samsung GNII. I love my Note II and think the Thunderbolt is soooooo tiny after using it (just took a look at my Thunderbolt 5 minutes ago to see what I can do with it without any service on it).
While I'm not ecstatic about HTC, I feel like Verizon is to blame here. Just look at how their policies are for everything else.
For all of you crowing about unlimited, you realize you are paying a monthly rate which includeds a phone subsidy right? Except, you get no phone. It's like "How about you pay full price for a phone, and then pay a higher rate as though you actually got a phone for free." Ooooo sign me up!
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Verizon is getting lots of blood from you for the sake of unlimited. If you have the money, I guess its one thing, but OTOH, if money werent an issue, you wouldn't care about overage fees.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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While I'm not ecstatic about HTC, I feel like Verizon is to blame here. Just look at how their policies are for everything else.
For all of you crowing about unlimited, you realize you are paying a monthly rate which includeds a phone subsidy right? Except, you get no phone. It's like "How about you pay full price for a phone, and then pay a higher rate as though you actually got a phone for free." Ooooo sign me up!
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Verizon is getting lots of blood from you for the sake of unlimited. If you have the money, I guess its one thing, but OTOH, if money werent an issue, you wouldn't care about overage fees.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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I have two phones with unlimited data on my plan and if I took the share everything plan I would end paying $40 more a month and get less data than I actually need. Plus I still wouldn't get one of those phone subsidies you're talking about since I'm not eligible for upgrade for a while so I would definitely pay full retail for a phone before I lost unlimited. Also there are plenty of phones I could buy used that are excellent for half the price of retail or better.
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Never realized how slow my TB is until I got a Nexus 7.
Anyway, I'm waiting for either the Galaxy S4 or the next Google/Moto phone. Maybe the HTC M7, depending on when the others are available.
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I'm leaning towards the S4 myself. I'm done with HTC. Got a Tab 2 and I absolutely love Samsung
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As soon as my upgrade was up, I left my HTC Thunderbolt for a Samsung Galaxy Note II. I've waiting way too long for HTC or Verizon to update this phone. I've read article after article and posted on HTC's Facebook pages and no response. They've lost me as a customer (HTC, not Verizon; I'm not giving up my unlimited data!).
I suggest the Samsung SIII or the Samsung GNII. I love my Note II and think the Thunderbolt is soooooo tiny after using it (just took a look at my Thunderbolt 5 minutes ago to see what I can do with it without any service on it).
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All vzw customers will eventually lose unlimited data. They won't let you keep it forever. Mark my words
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While I'm not ecstatic about HTC, I feel like Verizon is to blame here. Just look at how their policies are for everything else.
For all of you crowing about unlimited, you realize you are paying a monthly rate which includeds a phone subsidy right? Except, you get no phone. It's like "How about you pay full price for a phone, and then pay a higher rate as though you actually got a phone for free." Ooooo sign me up!
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but Verizon is getting lots of blood from you for the sake of unlimited. If you have the money, I guess its one thing, but OTOH, if money werent an issue, you wouldn't care about overage fees.
Duely blundered from my thunderdolt.
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Just like other guy stated I would be paying more if I went on share everything plan I don't use a crazy amount of data but 13-20 GB a month is where I sit. I am hoping Google releases a phone every year like the upcoming xphone so I can buy it off the play store, if they are in stock that is. But I will hold onto my unlimited data as long as I can cause their share everything plan is a joke, $40 for a smart phone access fee equals $29.99+$9.99 which is what we were already paying to buy the unlimited or 2gb or 4gb all they did was slap a two cent raise and hoped no one would notice. I noticed jerks!!!!
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HTC deserves some blame too - it seems like they gave the update to Verizon around September, which is still ten or eleven months after ICS was released.
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HTC deserves some blame too - it seems like they gave the update to Verizon around September, which is still ten or eleven months after ICS was released.
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That is true but how can we expect a company to push out an ota for a one year old device that probably 95% of the purchasers moved to a different device. We should all be happy that they got their crap together enough to give us this last one.
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And the rant begins...
Felt like venting to my fellow XDA members at how utterly ridiculous these lags in updates are.
How on earth does Google release android 4.2 Jelly Bean back in October 2012, and only TWO phones are currently running it?
Is Google being held hostage by each carrier so much to the point of a simple .1 update? What will it take for this nonsense to finally come to an end!?
Not to mention Verizon leaks 4.1.2 out this week and they removed premium suite....what exactly did this update offer?
I cant see a successful future for any of these companies or Google if this cancerous relationship between the OS and Carrier continues much longer.
And supposedly 5.0 key lime pie is coming in May?
What phones will be running 5.0 out of the gates if any? My guess is Galaxy S4 will drop with 4.2 or possibly even 4.1.2
Any thoughts?
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Dude, the tbolt just got ics. We get it when we get it. And I assume it's mostly Verizon's fault.
Hope that didn't come off jerky.
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They do this so you buy the new phones..
like HTC, just released the DNA.. was the flagship for like what a month, now the HTC M7 is the new hot thing and it's what the same exact phone but 4.7' rather than 5'. but it comes with sense 5.0..
thank god for root, other wise we'd be screwed,
yes officially the tbolt just got ICS but theyve been running that stable for some time now.
it's unfortunate, but at least we do have root, and phones like the HTC DNA that get screwed like that will be able to port the M7 sense 5.0 ROM to the DNA.
it is what it is and sucks lol, and I agree with above, it's mostly Verizon
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They do this so you buy the new phones..
like HTC, just released the DNA.. was the flagship for like what a month, now the HTC M7 is the new hot thing and it's what the same exact phone but 4.7' rather than 5'. but it comes with sense 5.0..
thank god for root, other wise we'd be screwed,
yes officially the tbolt just got ICS but theyve been running that stable for some time now.
it's unfortunate, but at least we do have root, and phones like the HTC DNA that get screwed like that will be able to port the M7 sense 5.0 ROM to the DNA.
it is what it is and sucks lol, and I agree with above, it's mostly Verizon
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God bless root!
I can't imagine Google is happy that less than 1% of all smart phones world wide are currently running their latest OS.
And I can't agree more.. Verizon is the problem.
I think all signs point to Google getting into the development of hardware... wouldn't it be nice to have a Google android store like Apple has the Apple stores?
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My Xperia play only had a 2.3.4 update for gingerbread while every other Verizon has ics or jb , glad I unlocked and rooted my phone Verizon sux in terms of updates for phones but their coverage is decent
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I Dont get why Google doesn't stand its ground. All phones should be running AOSP. I have actually grown to like touchwiz but if all phones ran AOSP, I bet updates would come quicker. May not be right away for companies like Verizon to add boat, but that's it. There's no standard. While that does add variety and choice, it also adds confusion. People ask me allllll the time about my sgs3, " is that a droid"? So annoying lol
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I Dont get why Google doesn't stand its ground. All phones should be running AOSP. I have actually grown to like touchwiz but if all phones ran AOSP, I bet updates would come quicker. May not be right away for companies like Verizon to add boat, but that's it. There's no standard. While that does add variety and choice, it also adds confusion. People ask me allllll the time about my sgs3, " is that a droid"? So annoying lol
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But then it would just be like a iPhone same thing on different types of phones I personally don't mind all the different types of software which makes phones unique with running android
Btw I hate that too people think Droid and android are two different things. I had an argument with this girl about her wanting a Droid but talking about how android sucks. Lol
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I LOVE touch wiz motion controls and general UI on top of the android OS.
It just kills me that Verizon doesn't at least keep each companies “flagship devices" (ie SGS3) up to date.
It's a big FU to all of us
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Whatever the aosp release is at is basically a beta in everything but name. Its deployed to a small group of rather technical users where issues can be ironed out. Then months later everyone else gets the carrier's and manufacturer's refinements/adulteration of android. And repeat.
If you want to be in he new release club you need a Nexus or phone that's popular but long in the tooth so the hardware is pretty much mastered. If you buy a non nexus phone you sign up knowing full well that you are at the mercy of a 3rd party. This isn't 2010 anymore . the pattern is well established.
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But then it would just be like a iPhone same thing on different types of phones I personally don't mind all the different types of software which makes phones unique with running android
Btw I hate that too people think Droid and android are two different things. I had an argument with this girl about her wanting a Droid but talking about how android sucks. Lol
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haha yeah. I had a girl who wanted a sgs3 but hated droids. I was like um...they're both android phones. I was like "droid" is just a advertising name for a lot verizon phones. Droid is just simply advertisement and basically that's it. Somehow that advertising got everyone thinking its apple, microsoft, blackberry, and "droids" lol
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haha yeah. I had a girl who wanted a sgs3 but hated droids. I was like um...they're both android phones. I was like "droid" is just a advertising name for a lot verizon phones. Droid is just simply advertisement and basically that's it. Somehow that advertising got everyone thinking its apple, microsoft, blackberry, and "droids" lol
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Exactly! Lol
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The x phone will be the first with klp. And if moto is allowed to do anything to that phone and put some gay layout on it because its not a nexus device I will not buy it. I'm sick of Verizon and im leaving them on may 15th. The galaxy nexus was the biggest disappointment in my eyes. (Nexus phone that Verizon withheld every update and various awesome accessories)
At least the s3 wasn't promising continuous updates, wireless docks and so on
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Verizon is a member of the Open Handset Alliance. One of the founding members, I believe...
Hard to believe, based on their behavior.
When the Hell will they get it through their heads that they really don't need to be involved with much? I pay Verizon to provide a network (and ONLY a network), not hold my hand. I mean, really? Could a phone really harm their network if it hadn't passed through their approval and bloatware installation processes?
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that.
Honestly I kind of doubt we will see any 4.2 action till way after the release of the S4... if at all.
mentose457 said:
There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that.
Honestly I kind of doubt we will see any 4.2 action till way after the release of the S4... if at all.
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Touche.. however I don't believe the Verizon Gnex has been updated yet.. which is RIDICULOUS.
I am almost willing to bet galaxy S4 launches with 4.1.2 premium suite
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that..
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My phone is running 4.2
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bajasur said:
Touche.. however I don't believe the Verizon Gnex has been updated yet.. which is RIDICULOUS.
I am almost willing to bet galaxy S4 launches with 4.1.2 premium suite
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I'm almost willing to bet it drops with 4.2. I'll give you a breakdown.
Does Google handle the customer service if a Android device has issues? No. Who does? Either the carrier or the manufacturer. That being said, there needs to be documentation of every single little thing done in an update in order for proper support on both ends of distribution. Customer service has to be trained along with tech support and any type of sales person, which takes time and money. On the software side it seems Samsung is pretty solid. We've gone from 4.0.4 to (soon) 4.1.2 with a total of (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 updates and this phone hasn't even been out for a year. When it comes to the "premium suite" did you ever consider the possibility that the test build that we have is simply "bare?". Makes things easier to troubleshoot if you don't pack in every single little feature to begin with.
You have to remember that you don't pay for the updates themselves. Yes, you paid for the phone but when you buy a Windows 8 laptop are you going to get mad because you won't get the next version for free? I don't speak for other manufacturers but have to say Samsung is doing a pretty damn good job with keeping us updated. Sorry, had to rant. Just irritates me.
Oh, and yes, they do it in order to sell more phones. But, can you blame them? Samsung is doing everything they can to stamp Apple out. That means releasing a flagship phone that will be the first of that manufacturer to launch with the newest software version.
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TXI Kaze said:
I'm almost willing to bet it drops with 4.2. I'll give you a breakdown.
Does Google handle the customer service if a Android device has issues? No. Who does? Either the carrier or the manufacturer. That being said, there needs to be documentation of every single little thing done in an update in order for proper support on both ends of distribution. Customer service has to be trained along with tech support and any type of sales person, which takes time and money. On the software side it seems Samsung is pretty solid. We've gone from 4.0.4 to (soon) 4.1.2 with a total of (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 updates and this phone hasn't even been out for a year. When it comes to the "premium suite" did you ever consider the possibility that the test build that we have is simply "bare?". Makes things easier to troubleshoot if you don't pack in every single little feature to begin with.
You have to remember that you don't pay for the updates themselves. Yes, you paid for the phone but when you buy a Windows 8 laptop are you going to get mad because you won't get the next version for free? I don't speak for other manufacturers but have to say Samsung is doing a pretty damn good job with keeping us updated. Sorry, had to rant. Just irritates me.
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Don't be sorry. There is some truth in what you have said. Our device has made the jump from ICS to JB which I am very thankful for. Kudos to Samsung there.
My issue is that the S3 and Note 2 are in my opinion the best phones to date... and the carriers are so stupid that they can't communicate with Google and prepare customer service for the release of the new OS on or near its release date... Then Google will announce android 5.0 just as the carriers are getting 4.1.2 or 4.2 .
I understand they want to keep the customers wanting more.... but at some point I feel that Google start developing hardware and move on.
Apparently Samsung has already begun the opposite..
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-is-working-on-its-own-operating-system
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bajasur said:
Don't be sorry. There is some truth in what you have said. Our device has made the jump from ICS to JB which I am very thankful for. Kudos to Samsung there.
My issue is that the S3 and Note 2 are in my opinion the best phones to date... and the carriers are so stupid that they can't communicate with Google and prepare customer service for the release of the new OS on or near its release date... Then Google will announce android 5.0 just as the carriers are getting 4.1.2 or 4.2 .
I understand they want to keep the customers wanting more.... but at some point I feel that Google start developing hardware and move on.
Apparently Samsung has already begun the opposite..
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-is-working-on-its-own-operating-system
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Haha, yeah. I just didn't want to come across negative. thanks for being understanding. I do understand your frustrations. I don't see 5.0 dropping for awhile. Google said its going to slow down a bit in their releases because Jellybean is beautiful. It brought fluidity to a "fragmented" market and while only two phones officially have 4.2, jellybean is gaining a share of the updates. I think it and ICS almost comprise 50% of the market share for Android versions which is amazing in my opinion.
You know what I'd love? I'd love for the Galaxy S IV to use the new graphine dipped batteries. Can you imagine that with 2gb of RAM and just a revisioned Exynos Quad Core? It could run at a constant 1.0ghz minimum on each core with the screen on so that multitasking would be beautifully smooth and would be easier on battery life since tasks could start and end quickly. But, anyway, If Google is going to go directly into hardware they'd have a good start. I'd love a Nexus phone to rock a MAXX battery and a 1080p AMOLED. If I recall the new AMOLED that will be in the GS4 uses 25% less battery. The combination would be ermahgerd.
Also, didn't Samsung already try another OS? pretty sure Bada didn't do too well lol.
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One can only dream!
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