And the rant begins...
Felt like venting to my fellow XDA members at how utterly ridiculous these lags in updates are.
How on earth does Google release android 4.2 Jelly Bean back in October 2012, and only TWO phones are currently running it?
Is Google being held hostage by each carrier so much to the point of a simple .1 update? What will it take for this nonsense to finally come to an end!?
Not to mention Verizon leaks 4.1.2 out this week and they removed premium suite....what exactly did this update offer?
I cant see a successful future for any of these companies or Google if this cancerous relationship between the OS and Carrier continues much longer.
And supposedly 5.0 key lime pie is coming in May?
What phones will be running 5.0 out of the gates if any? My guess is Galaxy S4 will drop with 4.2 or possibly even 4.1.2
Any thoughts?
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Dude, the tbolt just got ics. We get it when we get it. And I assume it's mostly Verizon's fault.
Hope that didn't come off jerky.
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They do this so you buy the new phones..
like HTC, just released the DNA.. was the flagship for like what a month, now the HTC M7 is the new hot thing and it's what the same exact phone but 4.7' rather than 5'. but it comes with sense 5.0..
thank god for root, other wise we'd be screwed,
yes officially the tbolt just got ICS but theyve been running that stable for some time now.
it's unfortunate, but at least we do have root, and phones like the HTC DNA that get screwed like that will be able to port the M7 sense 5.0 ROM to the DNA.
it is what it is and sucks lol, and I agree with above, it's mostly Verizon
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They do this so you buy the new phones..
like HTC, just released the DNA.. was the flagship for like what a month, now the HTC M7 is the new hot thing and it's what the same exact phone but 4.7' rather than 5'. but it comes with sense 5.0..
thank god for root, other wise we'd be screwed,
yes officially the tbolt just got ICS but theyve been running that stable for some time now.
it's unfortunate, but at least we do have root, and phones like the HTC DNA that get screwed like that will be able to port the M7 sense 5.0 ROM to the DNA.
it is what it is and sucks lol, and I agree with above, it's mostly Verizon
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God bless root!
I can't imagine Google is happy that less than 1% of all smart phones world wide are currently running their latest OS.
And I can't agree more.. Verizon is the problem.
I think all signs point to Google getting into the development of hardware... wouldn't it be nice to have a Google android store like Apple has the Apple stores?
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My Xperia play only had a 2.3.4 update for gingerbread while every other Verizon has ics or jb , glad I unlocked and rooted my phone Verizon sux in terms of updates for phones but their coverage is decent
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I Dont get why Google doesn't stand its ground. All phones should be running AOSP. I have actually grown to like touchwiz but if all phones ran AOSP, I bet updates would come quicker. May not be right away for companies like Verizon to add boat, but that's it. There's no standard. While that does add variety and choice, it also adds confusion. People ask me allllll the time about my sgs3, " is that a droid"? So annoying lol
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I Dont get why Google doesn't stand its ground. All phones should be running AOSP. I have actually grown to like touchwiz but if all phones ran AOSP, I bet updates would come quicker. May not be right away for companies like Verizon to add boat, but that's it. There's no standard. While that does add variety and choice, it also adds confusion. People ask me allllll the time about my sgs3, " is that a droid"? So annoying lol
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But then it would just be like a iPhone same thing on different types of phones I personally don't mind all the different types of software which makes phones unique with running android
Btw I hate that too people think Droid and android are two different things. I had an argument with this girl about her wanting a Droid but talking about how android sucks. Lol
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I LOVE touch wiz motion controls and general UI on top of the android OS.
It just kills me that Verizon doesn't at least keep each companies “flagship devices" (ie SGS3) up to date.
It's a big FU to all of us
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Whatever the aosp release is at is basically a beta in everything but name. Its deployed to a small group of rather technical users where issues can be ironed out. Then months later everyone else gets the carrier's and manufacturer's refinements/adulteration of android. And repeat.
If you want to be in he new release club you need a Nexus or phone that's popular but long in the tooth so the hardware is pretty much mastered. If you buy a non nexus phone you sign up knowing full well that you are at the mercy of a 3rd party. This isn't 2010 anymore . the pattern is well established.
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But then it would just be like a iPhone same thing on different types of phones I personally don't mind all the different types of software which makes phones unique with running android
Btw I hate that too people think Droid and android are two different things. I had an argument with this girl about her wanting a Droid but talking about how android sucks. Lol
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haha yeah. I had a girl who wanted a sgs3 but hated droids. I was like um...they're both android phones. I was like "droid" is just a advertising name for a lot verizon phones. Droid is just simply advertisement and basically that's it. Somehow that advertising got everyone thinking its apple, microsoft, blackberry, and "droids" lol
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haha yeah. I had a girl who wanted a sgs3 but hated droids. I was like um...they're both android phones. I was like "droid" is just a advertising name for a lot verizon phones. Droid is just simply advertisement and basically that's it. Somehow that advertising got everyone thinking its apple, microsoft, blackberry, and "droids" lol
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Exactly! Lol
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The x phone will be the first with klp. And if moto is allowed to do anything to that phone and put some gay layout on it because its not a nexus device I will not buy it. I'm sick of Verizon and im leaving them on may 15th. The galaxy nexus was the biggest disappointment in my eyes. (Nexus phone that Verizon withheld every update and various awesome accessories)
At least the s3 wasn't promising continuous updates, wireless docks and so on
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Verizon is a member of the Open Handset Alliance. One of the founding members, I believe...
Hard to believe, based on their behavior.
When the Hell will they get it through their heads that they really don't need to be involved with much? I pay Verizon to provide a network (and ONLY a network), not hold my hand. I mean, really? Could a phone really harm their network if it hadn't passed through their approval and bloatware installation processes?
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that.
Honestly I kind of doubt we will see any 4.2 action till way after the release of the S4... if at all.
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that.
Honestly I kind of doubt we will see any 4.2 action till way after the release of the S4... if at all.
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Touche.. however I don't believe the Verizon Gnex has been updated yet.. which is RIDICULOUS.
I am almost willing to bet galaxy S4 launches with 4.1.2 premium suite
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that..
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My phone is running 4.2
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Touche.. however I don't believe the Verizon Gnex has been updated yet.. which is RIDICULOUS.
I am almost willing to bet galaxy S4 launches with 4.1.2 premium suite
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I'm almost willing to bet it drops with 4.2. I'll give you a breakdown.
Does Google handle the customer service if a Android device has issues? No. Who does? Either the carrier or the manufacturer. That being said, there needs to be documentation of every single little thing done in an update in order for proper support on both ends of distribution. Customer service has to be trained along with tech support and any type of sales person, which takes time and money. On the software side it seems Samsung is pretty solid. We've gone from 4.0.4 to (soon) 4.1.2 with a total of (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 updates and this phone hasn't even been out for a year. When it comes to the "premium suite" did you ever consider the possibility that the test build that we have is simply "bare?". Makes things easier to troubleshoot if you don't pack in every single little feature to begin with.
You have to remember that you don't pay for the updates themselves. Yes, you paid for the phone but when you buy a Windows 8 laptop are you going to get mad because you won't get the next version for free? I don't speak for other manufacturers but have to say Samsung is doing a pretty damn good job with keeping us updated. Sorry, had to rant. Just irritates me.
Oh, and yes, they do it in order to sell more phones. But, can you blame them? Samsung is doing everything they can to stamp Apple out. That means releasing a flagship phone that will be the first of that manufacturer to launch with the newest software version.
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I'm almost willing to bet it drops with 4.2. I'll give you a breakdown.
Does Google handle the customer service if a Android device has issues? No. Who does? Either the carrier or the manufacturer. That being said, there needs to be documentation of every single little thing done in an update in order for proper support on both ends of distribution. Customer service has to be trained along with tech support and any type of sales person, which takes time and money. On the software side it seems Samsung is pretty solid. We've gone from 4.0.4 to (soon) 4.1.2 with a total of (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 updates and this phone hasn't even been out for a year. When it comes to the "premium suite" did you ever consider the possibility that the test build that we have is simply "bare?". Makes things easier to troubleshoot if you don't pack in every single little feature to begin with.
You have to remember that you don't pay for the updates themselves. Yes, you paid for the phone but when you buy a Windows 8 laptop are you going to get mad because you won't get the next version for free? I don't speak for other manufacturers but have to say Samsung is doing a pretty damn good job with keeping us updated. Sorry, had to rant. Just irritates me.
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Don't be sorry. There is some truth in what you have said. Our device has made the jump from ICS to JB which I am very thankful for. Kudos to Samsung there.
My issue is that the S3 and Note 2 are in my opinion the best phones to date... and the carriers are so stupid that they can't communicate with Google and prepare customer service for the release of the new OS on or near its release date... Then Google will announce android 5.0 just as the carriers are getting 4.1.2 or 4.2 .
I understand they want to keep the customers wanting more.... but at some point I feel that Google start developing hardware and move on.
Apparently Samsung has already begun the opposite..
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-is-working-on-its-own-operating-system
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Don't be sorry. There is some truth in what you have said. Our device has made the jump from ICS to JB which I am very thankful for. Kudos to Samsung there.
My issue is that the S3 and Note 2 are in my opinion the best phones to date... and the carriers are so stupid that they can't communicate with Google and prepare customer service for the release of the new OS on or near its release date... Then Google will announce android 5.0 just as the carriers are getting 4.1.2 or 4.2 .
I understand they want to keep the customers wanting more.... but at some point I feel that Google start developing hardware and move on.
Apparently Samsung has already begun the opposite..
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-is-working-on-its-own-operating-system
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Haha, yeah. I just didn't want to come across negative. thanks for being understanding. I do understand your frustrations. I don't see 5.0 dropping for awhile. Google said its going to slow down a bit in their releases because Jellybean is beautiful. It brought fluidity to a "fragmented" market and while only two phones officially have 4.2, jellybean is gaining a share of the updates. I think it and ICS almost comprise 50% of the market share for Android versions which is amazing in my opinion.
You know what I'd love? I'd love for the Galaxy S IV to use the new graphine dipped batteries. Can you imagine that with 2gb of RAM and just a revisioned Exynos Quad Core? It could run at a constant 1.0ghz minimum on each core with the screen on so that multitasking would be beautifully smooth and would be easier on battery life since tasks could start and end quickly. But, anyway, If Google is going to go directly into hardware they'd have a good start. I'd love a Nexus phone to rock a MAXX battery and a 1080p AMOLED. If I recall the new AMOLED that will be in the GS4 uses 25% less battery. The combination would be ermahgerd.
Also, didn't Samsung already try another OS? pretty sure Bada didn't do too well lol.
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One can only dream!
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The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update! What samsung should be doing is updating there flag ship phones first, there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot. these phones come out way to fast, can we get a chance to enjoy the phone with gb first? The prime will probably be out before we even get gb smh. HELLO SAMSUNG AND VERIZON, THE DROID CHARGE IS ONE OF YOUR FLAGSHIP DEVICES, UPDATE TO THE LATEST SOFTWARE!, THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE! JUST IMAGINE IF I WOULD'VE PAID I'D BE REALLY PISSED. bottom line is the droid charge is a great phone and I want to use it to its full potential before I upgrade to a newer device.spread the word care for your customers
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So would you rather they release buggy software prematurely to fix a buggy phone? They've been working on GB (and it's been leaking), which is why I've been enjoying GB for well over a month. Anyways, what you're upset about is the way the cell phone industry tends to work. They're not going to stop updating their model lines just because they haven't put out an update for existing models yet.
Just imagine how Thunderbolt owners feel.
Correction: Droid(Nexus) Prime time is a Nexus successor.
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phone envy is frequent for me personally
whenever a new phone comes out i get pissed i bought my previous one
but honestly the prime and charge have little connection to each other...if the prime is a nexus phone then basically its a samsung designed phone that google does the software for, so it would have no impact whatsoever on touchwiz updates for the charge
samsung has submitted dozens of builds to verizon and from what i can see each one gets better and better
is it annoying that there is no official gb yet? sure but the same could be said for the fascinate or even worse no official FROYO for the continuum
vzw and samsung combo equals slow updates
its a reality of buying from those two and its not a secret (droid branding or not)
the thunderbolt doesnt have official gb either fwiw nor the lg lte phone
i personally have an inc2 and wont be pissed when the vigor comes out (same time frame inc2 launch to vigor vs charge launch to prime)...granted i have several upgrades and will probably just go pick that up too
The Droid Prime is likely NOT to be a Nexus device (or else it would have the Nexus name). It's software will most likely be managed by Verizon, rather than Google, and probably carry all of the crapware we've all come to know and love hate.
Phone dev cycles seem to be roughly bi-annually to quarterly, depending on the software and hardware available. At any given time, any one dev shop (HTC, Samsung, wherever) will be simultaneously be working on at least 2 software versions for any given device (as evidenced by the lower build date on the Fascinate's initial GB leak compared to the final FroYo leak).
And to pick some nits with the OP:
supposed, their, they're, their, too
Thank you BGR for starting the DROID Prime rumor. NO ONE knows what the device will be when it shows up, when it will show up, or much of anything else about it. We have a few unconfirmed details, but that is it. The people that do know what the device will be called aren't talking. Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
Smells like buyers remorse in here.
There's a thread like this one in every phone's forum on XDA without exception.
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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Smells like buyers remorse in here.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Coming to the Charge from the Fascinate I knew damn well that this would happen but I took it anyway as it was the best option (and still is... LOL bionic), and I don't regret it at all... if you haven't figured out by now that there's gonna be a new phone out every six months or so thats 10 times better than your current one then you must be new to android... I know it must take a lot to try and update the tons of phones a carrier has on each cell provider, making specific coding changes to get it to work with the individual phones hardware and whatnot so I don't mind and will be more than happy to burn an upgrade or drop some money on the new beast thats out at the time
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Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
Is there any confirmation that the Prime is even going to be released on Verizon?
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
Your right, hopefully droid prime gets pure google like the motorola droid did
That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
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The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update!
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Buy an iCrap if you want boxed up updates with a nice bow and personal nametag.
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THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE!
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I DID pay for this phone and am in no way pissed at samsung or verizon. You got the phone for free, so shut your mouth and count your blessings.
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there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot
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Technology changes faster than a retards underwear.
Also, aren't the samsung droid charge devs on xda? What updates aren't you getting
Last thing....
Your problem with android is superior technology and forward motion?
I guess im confused.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Buyer/owner, whatever...my point was that you sound like you don't want the phone in its current state. I'm running a Gingerbread ROM with the TouchWiz 4.0 launcher. If your biggest complaint is the lack of those two things, they've both been available for those willing to put them on the phone themselves.
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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Hater, your the troll I just said what was on my mind about the manufacturer never said the droid charge wasn't a great phone so how am I trolling, I dislike people like you who come on the forum just to talk smack about a person's thoughts, speak on the subject not about me you punk.have a good day, you need it.
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I keep hearing that Sammy's perspective is that there is no "financial incentive" to provide updates to old phones. Well here is one. I will never buy another samsung android phone so long as they have this policy. I will also tell everyone who will listen to do the same.
I know that if they do not support devices as recent as the SGS4G, it is only a matter of time before their new devices are unsupported.
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Heh, Raver and I were talking about why they would wind up not giving ICS to the Vibrant and it was for this reason. They're a capitalist company, and updating older phones would not be good for business. People wouldn't have an incentive to upgrade if they got the latest software all the time.
I am a little mad that they're not going to update the T959V to ICS since it falls within the 18 month time window that they're supposed to provide upgrades for. Go figure.
Yeah Sammy really wiped it's ass with the pledge it made to Google about the 18 month window.
Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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I agree with you. Hardware is a good enough incentive, but samsung is too greedy and cheap to provide the software updates for their older device. The SGS 4G is still relative new too. This is why there are people still buying, using, and praising Apple. Their support and service put samsung to shame.
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Upgrades come once every 2 years unless you drop 600 in a phone. The bs is that a new phone with better hardware comes out every 4 months and all other phones no longer get supported due to " hardware" or some crap. The galaxy s3 is coming out in a few months. Wanna bet my galaxy s2 won't be able to run android 5.0 due to hardware limitations. There are phones with weaker specs than my sgs4g that are getting ics. It's corporate greed on Sammy's part really. This is the one area, in my opinion, that apple does right. They support their devices for a good couple years. Samsung could, they just don't.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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I read something about an official statement saying Samsung is not going to update
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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Just about.
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Samsung failure to provide future support - opinion
I for one, have always liked Samsung phones, since my Captivate, then Vibrant, when I switched to tmobile, to the SGS4G. It was a blessing to see Gingerbread release and source for the SGS4G. Especially since it is so different from the other Galaxy S cousins. The Vibrant is still waiting for Gingerbread, and they have a petition to hopefully convince Samsung into at least giving a Gingerbread update.
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
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I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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Where'd you read this?
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Where'd you read this?
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I would also like to know this. I have read several articles where Sammy says nothing will be released afterall.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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They made mention of a value pack, but scrapped the idea 2 days later.
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The nexus line will always get the update first after all base updates comes from google then google will give the source codes to the other company.
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Sammie's loss, 'cause all I can say is, I'm stuck with 14 months left on this contract, and looks like I'm going back to HTC after that.
This also helps me to decide on my new tablet... and the brand won't be Samsung now.
I love my phone ... but I hate Samsung.
They are a bunch of capitalist bastards. I understand that everyone is out to make money, but as it was mentioned, many people have 2 year contracts with their phone company. I for one refuse to pay $600 for a phone. That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. And personally I know many others who feel the same way ... we wait until our upgrade is available and then upgrade to the best possible option.
For those of us that feel the way that we do, not supporting their older devices just drives a knife between Samsung and us. Whether they support our phone or not... I will have this phone until my contract is up. If Samsung does not support my device I can assure you this will be my last Samsung device that I will ever purchase.
I always found that odd, like simple math escapes the masses or some lol - kats refuse to pay 600 for a phone outright, but those same kats are cool with taking it in the ass for 2 years and paying 2136 in that time frame (basic Tmo 89 a month unlimited/limited plan)
...which means you're paying a **** ton more than 600 for that phone lol
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I completely understand everyone's frustrations with capitalism, but Samsung is no different than any other large or small corporation blatantly raping our asses for cash (car insurance is a great example) - that's what we're all born and bred to do, become consumers, nothing more, nothing less - everyone on this god forsaken planet epitomizes insanity with their 9-5 lives of compliance, mediocrity and consumer slavery, don't do a damn thing about it, but then expect the slave owners to listen when they have a problem with the dirty spoon they're forced to eat with - lol wake the [email protected] up ..meh, better yet, simply continue to live your life in a dream world thinking you're unique and special ..just like everyone else - yeah, it's much easier that way lol - c'est la vie
Saw a leak and we will see an ota update on 5/10 61mb. Its not ics but probably that leak will now be official.
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Ugh... Gonna have to update to a new base this soon.... Hopefully they don't change much in the framework...
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You guys have a link?
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As op said, eta is may 10th
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A link about the leak......not the leak itself
As always, Google is your friend.
Found it.
Is it just me or does the OTA update size for the Incredible 2 say 32GB? Seems a little large for that phone or a typo.
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I'm trying to find it right now but I read some were that this update and all the other ones was the ics release I think it was on phone arena if I'm not mistaken.
A 61 mb update to ics.... Sounds sketchy to me.
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A 61 mb update to ics.... Sounds sketchy to me.
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Yeah no crap dude, it's NOT the ICS update... it's just another Gingerbread maintenance release.
Seriously hate the fact that ics has been delayed so heavily
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Seriously hate the fact that ics has been delayed so heavily
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What do you mean delayed heavily? It was announced not too long ago, and given no eta, so how can it be delayed?
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Imho, anytime a phone 1 year old or less has to wait 6+ months for a new Android OS upgrade, the OEM is failing to live up to Google and more importantly, the customers, standards.
The number of casual users who won't even recognize the fact that their phone upgraded from 2.3 to 4.0 is the number two reason these companies don't push hard to keep their phones up to date. With the number one reason being money. It's more profitable to lock out 1 year old phones from staying up to date, making that new device running the new version of Android more enticing and a possible sale from people who fall for gimmicky sales tactics.
Realistically Google wants every phone to be on ICS right now. At least, any phone that has the hardware to run it. Which in all honesty, is any mid range phone from 2010 and up. Certainly a flagship 2011 phone should be quite capable of running ICS, don't you think? So whats the only other possible explanation? See paragraph 2 and it'll be easily understood.
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Imho, anytime a phone 1 year old or less has to wait 6+ months for a new Android OS upgrade, the OEM is failing to live up to Google and more importantly, the customers, standards.
The number of casual users who won't even recognize the fact that their phone upgraded from 2.3 to 4.0 is the number two reason these companies don't push hard to keep their phones up to date. With the number one reason being money. It's more profitable to lock out 1 year old phones from staying up to date, making that new device running the new version of Android more enticing and a possible sale from people who fall for gimmicky sales tactics.
Realistically Google wants every phone to be on ICS right now. At least, any phone that has the hardware to run it. Which in all honesty, is any mid range phone from 2010 and up. Certainly a flagship 2011 phone should be quite capable of running ICS, don't you think? So whats the only other possible explanation? See paragraph 2 and it'll be easily understood.
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+1 money, money, money
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While is sucks that it takes so long to get an ICS update (even though I sold my Thunderbolt and got a Bionic...not that it will get official ICS any sooner), I do understand where the OEMs (and the carriers) are coming from...there's really no money in updating obsolete phones.
Sorry I didn't post a link, my bad. Saw the tweet I got and was in a rush. Wish it was ICS update :S...
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It's really nothing to get excited about, I unrooted, flashed back to stock, installed the leaked update and found...... nothing but a few bug fixes, etc. It had no effect on my use of my T'bolt which is now re-rooted and back to running Thunderstick Bareback which works for me and may or may not work for you.
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While is sucks that it takes so long to get an ICS update (even though I sold my Thunderbolt and got a Bionic...not that it will get official ICS any sooner), I do understand where the OEMs (and the carriers) are coming from...there's really no money in updating obsolete phones.
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ummmmm....our phones are obsolete????? Just because phones came out after ours doesn't mean it's obsolete. In fact any other phone on Verizon right now (as far as specs, not release date) is a downgrade.
At the current rate of new phone introduction "Hopelessly Obsolete" means any phone that's been out a week!
I'm switching to Verizon from Tmobile, I can't make up my mind on the GS3 or GN. I get a good deal threw my company and I can get either phone for $ 49.99. I want the Nexus because it has the best development and gets all the latest updates, and want the GS3 because of the amazing hardware and features...
What's should do?
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Spec wise the S3 is better, Development wise the Nexus is better but the new Nexus is coming out this year. So, it's all up to you in you want an older phone with little bit worse specs than a newer phone with better specs unless you want to wait for the new Nexus.
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Spec wise the S3 is better, Development wise the Nexus is better but the new Nexus is coming out this year. So, it's all up to you in you want an older phone with little bit worse specs than a newer phone with better specs unless you want to wait for the new Nexus.
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What does the new Nexus come out?
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What does the new Nexus come out?
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Nobody knows except for Samsung and Google. Samsung is announcing the Note 2 on August 15th so they could possibly incorporate the new Nexus but nobody knows really.
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Nobody knows except for Samsung and Google. Samsung is announcing the Note 2 on August 15th so they could possibly incorporate the new Nexus but nobody knows really.
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Well, unfortunately i can't wait that long. I need to make up my mind by Friday. I guess I'm going to go with the galaxy s3. Thanks.
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Well, unfortunately i can't wait that long. I need to make up my mind by Friday. I guess I'm going to go with the galaxy s3.
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You definitely made the right choice.
We have both phones on our VZ corporate account. The GN has a few more ROMs available, but other than that the G3 is light years ahead of the obsolete GN.
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You definitely made the right choice.
We have both phones on our VZ corporate account. The GN has a few more ROMs available, but other than that the G3 is light years ahead of the obsolete GN.
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Plus the GN has almost a year of development time, it hasn't been a month yet for the GS3. Give it some time there will be some killer stuff on this phone.
Btw.. The roms and themes already available for the GS3 are fantastic, battery life is great and it will only get better. Go for the better hardware, roms will come!
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I would honestly be surprised if the next Nexus phone is available on Verizon.
The GNEX was problematic because of the CDMA radio. The whole 'not a real nexus' and all. I think google has shown us how they want to start selling Nexus devices, and it doesn't appear to involve a carrier.
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I would honestly be surprised if the next Nexus phone is available on Verizon.
The GNEX was problematic because of the CDMA radio. The whole 'not a real nexus' and all. I think google has shown us how they want to start selling Nexus devices, and it doesn't appear to involve a carrier.
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If they do this, there's no way in hell verizon would approve having a device that goes over their jurisdiction be allowed on their network. The only way you can get a device on Verizon is through them.
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If they do this, there's no way in hell verizon would approve having a device that goes over their jurisdiction be allowed on their network. The only way you can get a device on Verizon is through them.
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Well, what about the GS3 Developer edition?
I don't think you'll regret having the S3! It's been a great phone, and even though it's "locked" - there are/will be plenty of custom ROM's, hacks, and themes you can put into it!
I like the concept of the Galaxy Nexus but the screen is not as great as the S3, and even though it's only a 4.3 inch device, while the S3 is 4.8 - the S3 is the same size as the nexus and even a little thinner!!! Definitely nicer in my opinion!
I've never been an Apple 'fan boy', and the only Apple hardware I ever owned was iPhone 4. I bought it in October 2010 because at that time it had the best display on the market (retina). I've always been a big Google fan and always preferred their products (Chrome, Maps, Drive, etc.). A month ago I ported my phone number to a new carrier (Wind Mobile, Canada) with inexpensive unlimited plans. Wind's frequencies (AWS) are not supported by iPhone yet, so I had to buy a new Android phone (Galaxy Nexus). I was really excited to get Android as my experience with Google was excellent so far. I was very happy with iPhone 4 and iOS, and expected Android to be as good if not better than iOS. I rooted my Android right away and installed 4.1.1. Now I'm gonna share my observations:
Hardware: Galaxy Nexus looks and feels really cheap (like kid's toy): plastic is probably the cheapest Samsung was able to find. Touch screen sensitivity is as bad as it gets - often you have to tap 2-3 times to make it work. Hardly any competition to iPhone 4.
Software: buggy and underdeveloped. I can't believe Google actually seriously markets Android which looks and feels like beta version which requires lots of testing before final release. Some bugs are so outrageous, that I doubt if Google bothered to hire QA team at all: for example when I try so send SMS and use my phone book to enter a recipient's phone number, SMS fails cause a phone number entered is missing area code somehow. What the hell? I think it's a bit over the top. Same apps on Android are not as functional, 'nice' and 'smooth' as on iOS. It looks like Android has lots of potential, but now is still in early stages of development. iOS is by far superior in any aspect at the moment: practically bug free and very user friendly.
Verdict: there are rumours that iPhone 5 will support AWS frequencies - if that's the case, I'm gonna dump Android without any regrets. What a shame, Google!
0/10 really bad failtroll. Try harder, make your story more believable and add in some buzzwords for good measure. This hurts to watch. Back in my day, trolling used to mean something.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
Funny though you rooted it immediately and flashed a Rom onto your device which you said was 4.1.1 then you proceeded to ***** about the software which apparently wasn't stock Android we have no clue how you screwed up your own device in rooting your phone. Nice try though "Apple fan boy".
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IMO,
Sony makes the best phones as build quality but they're not updating their phones at all, or really late, and they don't put the latest hardware in their phones. (yes other brands usually suck at build quality)
and there is nothing wrong with the Android software,
If Sony makes a Nexus device, that will be the best and the sexiest device out there.
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Funny though you rooted it immediately and flashed a Rom onto your device which you said was 4.1.1 then you proceeded to ***** about the software which apparently wasn't stock Android we have no clue how you screwed up your own device in rooting your phone. Nice try though "Apple fan boy".
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Don't feed the troll. Pic related, what's going to happen.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
Well you are running a custom Rom, of course it will be buggy... And unlike iOS that has been the exact same for how many years,android is a developing platform. It has been completely revamped in the last few years.
The custom rom is causing all of your troubles. I have had 3 android phones and I've never had a problem on stock firmware. My rooted Desire died when I clocked it to 2.5Ghz in freezer (motherboard failure), which was MY FAULT. My One V never failed on me and my G1 was live last time I looked at it.
As with build quality - you are blaming the OS? Samsung is plastic galore, why did you pick a galaxy nexus if you want a metal and glass machine? My phone is excellent build quality, cost me 280$ CAD with no contract, it is a middle of the range device - yet it is still an aluminum unibody, and I'm overclocking at 1.5Ghz.
Get a stock android device not made by Samsung and you've got your next iPhone.
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If you look at Android then and now, you will see how much it has changed.
If you look at iOS then and now, you see that nothing has changed. They don't want to add more features which is why it seems so bug free.
Kinda like Olympic gymnastics, you have a higher potential score if you plan on doing more complex moves, but also a bigger chance of making a mistake. But if you choose simple, your potential score is low but you probably won't get many deductions. And guess what? Android is the more complex gymnast that will continue to learn more moves. When it makes a mistake, it trains via an update to fix it.
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Don't feed the troll. Pic related, what's going to happen.
I got b& at /a/ for sh!tposting ;_;
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He isnt even trolling. Just because he doesnt like android.
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If you look at Android then and now, you will see how much it has changed.
If you look at iOS then and now, you see that nothing has changed. They don't want to add more features which is why it seems so bug free.
Kinda like Olympic gymnastics, you have a higher potential score if you plan on doing more complex moves, but also a bigger chance of making a mistake. But if you choose simple, your potential score is low but you probably won't get many deductions. And guess what? Android is the more complex gymnast that will continue to learn more moves. When it makes a mistake, it trains via an update to fix it.
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I think that's one of the best breakdowns I've seen comparing the benefits and cons of both.
That was enjoyable and refreshing to read +1
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Liquidmetal6 said:
I think that's one of the best breakdowns I've seen comparing the benefits and cons of both.
That was enjoyable and refreshing to read +1
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The only unbiased post on here, IMO.
Your gonna get so bored on an iPhone. Within 2 months for sure. Trust me, i had one and here i am back on Android.
>mfw troll thread
>mfw people defending troll
>mfw I doubt myself, maybe just stupid person
>mfw XDA
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>mfw troll thread
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>mfw I doubt myself, maybe just stupid person
>mfw XDA
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Makes no sense...
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Makes no sense...
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mfw = my face when
Basically means my reaction.
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mfw = my face when
Basically means my reaction.
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I knew the first part. But now its clear when you described it the other way. Got it now
The only thing that IOS has over android is an apple on the back. But we prefer the big LTE on our android phones.
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Same here... but in choosing a topic - I was the ultimate apple fan boy... every gadget i had, every udpate i hung for - then a friend introduced me to his Galaxy S3 - wow. I was using a prehistoric phone and OS.
Android the only way to go!
Go stick your nose directly into jobs' crack. Maybe he'll come to life and let you suck his iDildo
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Mozmoz.aly said:
Same here... but in choosing a topic - I was the ultimate apple fan boy... every gadget i had, every udpate i hung for - then a friend introduced me to his Galaxy S3 - wow. I was using a prehistoric phone and OS.
Android the only way to go!
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We'll see once winphone 8 comes out. That actually MIGHT give some competition to android. ios will be left in the dust as usual. Also, are you me? I had the same exact thing happen except with an iphone 4 and a milestone xt720.
I never understood why apple fan boys and android fan boys, couldn't just man up, realize and accept that not everyone in the world has the same preferences as they do. They act as if they own the companies or something. Grow up. They're PHONES. It's not that serious and it shouldn't be to begin with.
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