I keep hearing that Sammy's perspective is that there is no "financial incentive" to provide updates to old phones. Well here is one. I will never buy another samsung android phone so long as they have this policy. I will also tell everyone who will listen to do the same.
I know that if they do not support devices as recent as the SGS4G, it is only a matter of time before their new devices are unsupported.
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Heh, Raver and I were talking about why they would wind up not giving ICS to the Vibrant and it was for this reason. They're a capitalist company, and updating older phones would not be good for business. People wouldn't have an incentive to upgrade if they got the latest software all the time.
I am a little mad that they're not going to update the T959V to ICS since it falls within the 18 month time window that they're supposed to provide upgrades for. Go figure.
Yeah Sammy really wiped it's ass with the pledge it made to Google about the 18 month window.
Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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Isnt hardware a good incentive to upgrade?
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I agree with you. Hardware is a good enough incentive, but samsung is too greedy and cheap to provide the software updates for their older device. The SGS 4G is still relative new too. This is why there are people still buying, using, and praising Apple. Their support and service put samsung to shame.
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Upgrades come once every 2 years unless you drop 600 in a phone. The bs is that a new phone with better hardware comes out every 4 months and all other phones no longer get supported due to " hardware" or some crap. The galaxy s3 is coming out in a few months. Wanna bet my galaxy s2 won't be able to run android 5.0 due to hardware limitations. There are phones with weaker specs than my sgs4g that are getting ics. It's corporate greed on Sammy's part really. This is the one area, in my opinion, that apple does right. They support their devices for a good couple years. Samsung could, they just don't.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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hey, remember the 18 month window. Well we should all make a petition about this phone only. And also give a copy to Google.
Well that isn't final news. So lets keep fingers crossed.
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I read something about an official statement saying Samsung is not going to update
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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The sad thing is, by the time to you drop 600 on the latest phone, it's already outdated.
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Just about.
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I for one, have always liked Samsung phones, since my Captivate, then Vibrant, when I switched to tmobile, to the SGS4G. It was a blessing to see Gingerbread release and source for the SGS4G. Especially since it is so different from the other Galaxy S cousins. The Vibrant is still waiting for Gingerbread, and they have a petition to hopefully convince Samsung into at least giving a Gingerbread update.
I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
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I would be satisfied if they would release their Driver source or at least the driver API and associated libs so we as a community ( or on your own ) can build ICS or any other version for our phones after they drop support.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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Where'd you read this?
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Where'd you read this?
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I would also like to know this. I have read several articles where Sammy says nothing will be released afterall.
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But we are indeed getting the "value pack" mentioned in the article after all; it should be a nice start, allowing for new features without necessarily offering a full ICS release.
Still, it's frustrating that the Nexus gets the full 4.0 but the Galaxy doesn't.
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They made mention of a value pack, but scrapped the idea 2 days later.
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The nexus line will always get the update first after all base updates comes from google then google will give the source codes to the other company.
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Sammie's loss, 'cause all I can say is, I'm stuck with 14 months left on this contract, and looks like I'm going back to HTC after that.
This also helps me to decide on my new tablet... and the brand won't be Samsung now.
I love my phone ... but I hate Samsung.
They are a bunch of capitalist bastards. I understand that everyone is out to make money, but as it was mentioned, many people have 2 year contracts with their phone company. I for one refuse to pay $600 for a phone. That is utterly ridiculous in my opinion. And personally I know many others who feel the same way ... we wait until our upgrade is available and then upgrade to the best possible option.
For those of us that feel the way that we do, not supporting their older devices just drives a knife between Samsung and us. Whether they support our phone or not... I will have this phone until my contract is up. If Samsung does not support my device I can assure you this will be my last Samsung device that I will ever purchase.
I always found that odd, like simple math escapes the masses or some lol - kats refuse to pay 600 for a phone outright, but those same kats are cool with taking it in the ass for 2 years and paying 2136 in that time frame (basic Tmo 89 a month unlimited/limited plan)
...which means you're paying a **** ton more than 600 for that phone lol
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I completely understand everyone's frustrations with capitalism, but Samsung is no different than any other large or small corporation blatantly raping our asses for cash (car insurance is a great example) - that's what we're all born and bred to do, become consumers, nothing more, nothing less - everyone on this god forsaken planet epitomizes insanity with their 9-5 lives of compliance, mediocrity and consumer slavery, don't do a damn thing about it, but then expect the slave owners to listen when they have a problem with the dirty spoon they're forced to eat with - lol wake the [email protected] up ..meh, better yet, simply continue to live your life in a dream world thinking you're unique and special ..just like everyone else - yeah, it's much easier that way lol - c'est la vie
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will we ever see gingerbread??? we are still waiting for an official Froyo, so just wondering ur thoughts on gingerbread release date for our phones...
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will we ever see gingerbread??? we are still waiting for an official Froyo, so just wondering ur thoughts on gingerbread release date for our phones...
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When there is a will there is a way. Chances are it will be a long time if ever but, I am sure we will see custom roms eventually
Most likely we will not see it In our phones
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Get real, anyone who reads this thread is gonna buy the newest latest greatest anyways.
Who cares about Gingerbread on our phone.
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With the Nexus S already sporting it and google actually programming for a Galaxy phone, the chances of Gingerbread are very good.
Google is already optimizing it for the hummingbird as we speak, it'll be easier for Samsung to port it to their other devices.
Before it was easy to port to the EVO and everything else just because the nexus one had very similar CPUs to all of them.
How do you know its using the same processor as our galaxy s phones?
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Most of the speculations suggest that it has a different processor, just saying.......
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not everyone has the money to outright buy the phone in feb and even if u got your cap at release your a long ways from an upgrade I will pay 600 or whatever it is because i have to have it. And I really think samsung working on froyo was a waste, seeing as how gingerbread is coming out soon, should have just upgraded to that next.
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not everyone has the money to outright buy the phone in feb and even if u got your cap at release your a long ways from an upgrade I will pay 600 or whatever it is because i have to have it. And I really think samsung working on froyo was a waste, seeing as how gingerbread is coming out soon, should have just upgraded to that next.
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Lol we don't see any evidence of Samsung putting effort into Froyo. I know there have been a few build leaks, but c'mon, you don't really think they put a ounce of sweat into it right?
Here's the Samsung dev team: 1 coder that plays starcraft at work and breaks a few things every now and then
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Lol we don't see any evidence of Samsung putting effort into Froyo. I know there have been a few build leaks, but c'mon, you don't really think they put a ounce of sweat into it right?
Here's the Samsung dev team: 1 coder that plays starcraft at work and breaks a few things every now and then
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lol, agreed. Don't know why so much talk about "Gingerbread"
We don't even have "Froyo" yet, only the leaked version. And even then, when the official release does come out, I won't be upgrading. Too bloated when AT&T get's their hands on it. I'll stick with the customs.
Plus I think most of the people in here that has any of the Galaxy S phones will most likely part ways when "Gingerbread" is out. I know I will (and I don't think our Galaxy S phones will get it either).
I also believe there is no "GPS fix" for our phones in the future either and there won't be one.
Haven't been proven wrong yet. (Remember the GPS "improvement" in September) What a JOKE!
Samsung = Fail in Customer Support
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lol, agreed. Don't know why so much talk about "Gingerbread"
We don't even have "Froyo" yet, only the leaked version. And even then, when the official release does come out, I won't be upgrading. Too bloated when AT&T get's their hands on it. I'll stick with the customs.
Plus I think most of the people in here that has any of the Galaxy S phones will most likely part ways when "Gingerbread" is out. I know I will (and I don't think our Galaxy S phones will get it either).
I also believe there is no "GPS fix" for our phones in the future either and there won't be one.
Haven't been proven wrong yet. (Remember the GPS "improvement" in September) What a JOKE!
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Shame since by just about every spec, the galaxy s is ahead of it's time. If only samsung supported it and the a droid market actually apps to push it.
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Shame since by just about every spec, the galaxy s is ahead of it's time. If only samsung supported it and the a droid market actually apps to push it.
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That's the problem, Samsung figured if it put in all the most powerful toys in a single package and didn't give a crap about how it was put together or how the software is to make it actually work, it'd still sell on specs alone.
And they were right.
So they now have absolutely no incentive to make a more quality phone in the future. They're just lucking out that Google is choosing them to be the next Nexus (if rumors/leaks are true, of course).
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Shame since by just about every spec, the galaxy s is ahead of it's time. If only samsung supported it and the a droid market actually apps to push it.
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Yea, corporate enterprises sucks when it comes to customer support.
All about the $$$ in the end.
A lot of marketing by Samsung, think they want to brand everything Galaxy???
I'll be buying my galaxy M microwave tomorrow.
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Yea, corporate enterprises sucks when it comes to customer support.
All about the $$$ in the end.
A lot of marketing by Samsung, think they want to brand everything Galaxy???
I'll be buying my galaxy M microwave tomorrow.
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Here is the problem samsung doesn't seem to get. We buy their phones on a two year contract. They get paid monthly or whatever from AT&T for us signing up for two years. Who in the $&$& wants to buy their phone when you don't even get a full six months of support from samsung. I have to pay AT&T for two years to buy this phone. I know apple gets paid monthly from AT&T as part of their subsidation process. I bet samsung does too. They get paid for nothing. What a rip.
2.2 should have been released sept at the latest. Things should be gearing up for 2.3.... And we are still waiting for 2.2... Last samsung phone.
Anyone who wants to can install the leaked 2.2. I have, it's rooted, and has lagfix installed. It's very fast and GPS works great...I'm just sayin'.
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Anyone who wants to can install the leaked 2.2. I have, it's rooted, and has lagfix installed. It's very fast and GPS works great...I'm just sayin'.
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Been there done that still have broken gps. I bought the captivate assuming they would fix the gps. I still doubt that broad com would somehow make a gps module that doesn't work.
Agreed, I had a captivate with a go phone sim in it, and now have a fascinate on vzw, we actually got a leak last week,( if u thought att was behind hear this) is was eclair, it did address and fix, GPS Fully, but this is a eclair maintenance update scheduled to come out in December. I don't know about everyone else but I could give a duck less is they give me the greatest eclair ever made. I don't want it. Even tho I knew better when I got this phone I was told "you will have 2.2 within the month" welll its been forever and not a mention
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Agreed, I had a captivate with a go phone sim in it, and now have a fascinate on vzw, we actually got a leak last week,( if u thought att was behind hear this) is was eclair, it did address and fix, GPS Fully, but this is a eclair maintenance update scheduled to come out in December. I don't know about everyone else but I could give a duck less is they give me the greatest eclair ever made. I don't want it. Even tho I knew better when I got this phone I was told "you will have 2.2 within the month" welll its been forever and not a mention
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Now that is scary! Why would they still be working on 2.1?
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Here is the problem samsung doesn't seem to get. We buy their phones on a two year contract. They get paid monthly or whatever from AT&T for us signing up for two years. Who in the $&$& wants to buy their phone when you don't even get a full six months of support from samsung. I have to pay AT&T for two years to buy this phone. I know apple gets paid monthly from AT&T as part of their subsidation process. I bet samsung does too. They get paid for nothing. What a rip.
2.2 should have been released sept at the latest. Things should be gearing up for 2.3.... And we are still waiting for 2.2... Last samsung phone.
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Apple may have a special deal but other Phone makers do not. Samsung, Moto, HTC - they sell through many channels, not just AT&T - and they sell off contract.
The way it works for hardware:
AT&T buys phones from Samsung... probably about $300 per phone. They sell them subsidized for $200 or maybe $0.99 or they sell it unsubsidized for $499. Samsung makes their profit on the phone sale when they wholesale them to AT&T.
Updates are created by Samsung on behalf of the carrier. If AT&T doesn't want to bother with an update, then the manufacturer doesn't create it. Again, this goes for Samsung, Moto, HTC, etc. It has been this way for WinMo and Android. Nothing new here.
Believe it or not, Apple also sells the phones for fixed price to AT&T. They may make money on some monthly cut, but that is a separate deal. But don't compare Apple, they have a deal different from every other phone maker out there.
I'm wondering what you guys think. Will the gingerbread update be the last official update the g2x gets? Or do you think it will get ice cream sandwich and beyond?
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Officially? Who knows. But the fantastic devs will almost certainly release custom roms the will go beyond gingerbread.
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The alpha omega update? This was the case with the HTC shadow, just 1 update, it's first and last.
Any way what would be great and keep our G2x top of the line and extend it's life would be if nvidia were to release driver updates for the CPU/GPU, as they do for their PC graphics cards.
Nvidia is awesome at releasing timely updates of their video drivers, hopefully they consider doing it for their tegra chips.
One of the key points of doing a stock Android is to have a constant stream of releases. Once the bugs are worked out....updating to the most current android should not be a lot of new work.
The G2x has enough horsepower to run many more updates than just one or two
If not then it will be ported.
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I hope we do get more updates.
The thing is that LG is new in this game and I really hope they start doing best practices from other businesses, maybe Nvidia can help them push a little as well as T-Mobile to keep releasing updates even though that T-Mobile is less than likely to push them since they want to sell the last new thing.
But yeah, if they wise they'll and really care about their customers and want to position theirselves as one of the smartphone companies then they'll have to have the updates coming.
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Honestly I don't understand why this phone couldn't get multiple updates. I thought the whole reason for it having basic Android was so that it could be easier to udate. As well, rumor mill has it that later versions of Android are going to require a dual core, well this phone has everything under the hood for it to have a long shelf life. I hope they do right by this phone.
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Didn't the big phone companies recently promise Google they'd update their phones on a timely (regular?) basis.....
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Didn't the big phone companies recently promise Google they'd update their phones on a timely (regular?) basis.....
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For the first 18 months after release. Its part of their contract with Google and the open hand set alliance.
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I think it remains to be seen if this phone is even a viable product. Will the phone ever be back in stock and saleable from T-Mo?
If a jillion more G2xs are sold then we will see many updates and a bunch of dev support. But, if the phone is never brought back then we are stuck in a dead end with a failed experiment.
I believe LG's future as trusted top-tier brand is at stake, but I'm still not certain they'll ever get it right.
If this update fixes all the issues and allows tmobile to resume selling their stock, than it will probably see more updates.
If after all this time they still can't get it right, and tmobile refuses to sell their stock? She'll be dead Jim. Of course this is all speculation... Nobody knows.
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People act like this is lg's first android phone ...I'm thinking the only way we get limited updates is of the merger goes through
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It'll be just like the g2, numerous updates because it's stock android...oh wait, nvm.
My guess is GB will be the last update.
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People act like this is lg's first android phone ...I'm thinking the only way we get limited updates is of the merger goes through
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They have made a lot of second tier also-ran Android phones, but this is their first attempt at a serious smartphone contender in this market.
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For the first 18 months after release. Its part of their contract with Google and the open hand set alliance.
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Then we should see updates until September of 2012, no?
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They have made a lot of second tier also-ran Android phones, but this is their first attempt at a serious smartphone contender in this market.
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And?
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And?
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And... it remains to be seen if LG is ultimately capable of producing and supporting a top tier Android smartphone. Right now the answer to that question is no.
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I think it remains to be seen if this phone is even a viable product. Will the phone ever be back in stock and saleable from T-Mo?
If a jillion more G2xs are sold then we will see many updates and a bunch of dev support. But, if the phone is never brought back then we are stuck in a dead end with a failed experiment.
I believe LG's future as trusted top-tier brand is at stake, but I'm still not certain they'll ever get it right.
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Crack smoking dreaming. The G2x is still being sold, that the actual web-store of T-Mobile does not have any instock is meaningless. They still are supporting their distribution channel, so those partners are not feeling left out in the cold. Amazon, Wirefly, Costco...they all still sell them. It is lame, very lame to define selling the phones from T-mobile as just via their webstore.
If you were selling phones for T-mobile as a third-party vendor, would you be happy that T-mobile hoards the supply? Or would you raise the price to make your vendors prices seem much better than they could do directly.
Thinking that LG that makes lots of phones, is going down by the simple fact that a backlight turned up to max brightness shows some bleed. Turning to max brightness in a darkroom even to watch movies is not likely.
Users already report that custom ROMs fix most if not all the software caused problem.
So your theory is that LG can not duplicate, or even outright use as basis other coders solutions to fix the problems. What are you 15?
Actually I'm 48, I've been working in IT since the early 90s and I haven't smoked any crack in months.
People keep fliping out on the G2X and calling it a failure. Here's a secret. Less than 1% of all the G2X's sold have been returned to TMO, I would say that's pretty awesome and does not signify any major issues. People are not screaming about the Sidekick 4G being a major flop even though you can't get it in stores or on the web right now either. It's called product shortage. The manufacutrer produced to little to keep up with the demand and that is unfortunate.
As for the long term upgrade viability of the phone, being a stock Android phone I see this phone having a nice healthy span for at least the next 18 months whether by Tmo and Google or through the Developers. The hardware can support it so there will be nothing stoping it.
The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update! What samsung should be doing is updating there flag ship phones first, there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot. these phones come out way to fast, can we get a chance to enjoy the phone with gb first? The prime will probably be out before we even get gb smh. HELLO SAMSUNG AND VERIZON, THE DROID CHARGE IS ONE OF YOUR FLAGSHIP DEVICES, UPDATE TO THE LATEST SOFTWARE!, THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE! JUST IMAGINE IF I WOULD'VE PAID I'D BE REALLY PISSED. bottom line is the droid charge is a great phone and I want to use it to its full potential before I upgrade to a newer device.spread the word care for your customers
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So would you rather they release buggy software prematurely to fix a buggy phone? They've been working on GB (and it's been leaking), which is why I've been enjoying GB for well over a month. Anyways, what you're upset about is the way the cell phone industry tends to work. They're not going to stop updating their model lines just because they haven't put out an update for existing models yet.
Just imagine how Thunderbolt owners feel.
Correction: Droid(Nexus) Prime time is a Nexus successor.
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phone envy is frequent for me personally
whenever a new phone comes out i get pissed i bought my previous one
but honestly the prime and charge have little connection to each other...if the prime is a nexus phone then basically its a samsung designed phone that google does the software for, so it would have no impact whatsoever on touchwiz updates for the charge
samsung has submitted dozens of builds to verizon and from what i can see each one gets better and better
is it annoying that there is no official gb yet? sure but the same could be said for the fascinate or even worse no official FROYO for the continuum
vzw and samsung combo equals slow updates
its a reality of buying from those two and its not a secret (droid branding or not)
the thunderbolt doesnt have official gb either fwiw nor the lg lte phone
i personally have an inc2 and wont be pissed when the vigor comes out (same time frame inc2 launch to vigor vs charge launch to prime)...granted i have several upgrades and will probably just go pick that up too
The Droid Prime is likely NOT to be a Nexus device (or else it would have the Nexus name). It's software will most likely be managed by Verizon, rather than Google, and probably carry all of the crapware we've all come to know and love hate.
Phone dev cycles seem to be roughly bi-annually to quarterly, depending on the software and hardware available. At any given time, any one dev shop (HTC, Samsung, wherever) will be simultaneously be working on at least 2 software versions for any given device (as evidenced by the lower build date on the Fascinate's initial GB leak compared to the final FroYo leak).
And to pick some nits with the OP:
supposed, their, they're, their, too
Thank you BGR for starting the DROID Prime rumor. NO ONE knows what the device will be when it shows up, when it will show up, or much of anything else about it. We have a few unconfirmed details, but that is it. The people that do know what the device will be called aren't talking. Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Another thing is, touch wiz 4 is out.so why aren't we going to get the latest update of touchwiz? Thats just bs, if you have updated software, update your damn your damn phones to the latest software! Whats an update if there not updating the ui
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
Smells like buyers remorse in here.
There's a thread like this one in every phone's forum on XDA without exception.
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Could be that features of TW4 require something specific to the SGS2 phone. Or, Samsung doesn't want to back-port it on their own. Either way, nothing you can really do about it.
If you buy a car, and they change the features on the next model year, do you go and complain to the car manufacturer/dealer like this? You're spending significantly more than $600 for a new car, so I'd hope so...
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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Smells like buyers remorse in here.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Coming to the Charge from the Fascinate I knew damn well that this would happen but I took it anyway as it was the best option (and still is... LOL bionic), and I don't regret it at all... if you haven't figured out by now that there's gonna be a new phone out every six months or so thats 10 times better than your current one then you must be new to android... I know it must take a lot to try and update the tons of phones a carrier has on each cell provider, making specific coding changes to get it to work with the individual phones hardware and whatnot so I don't mind and will be more than happy to burn an upgrade or drop some money on the new beast thats out at the time
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Also, just because it is labeled with DROID doesn't mean that it won't be a Google Experience Phone. Unless you have physical proof of what you're talking about, it would be great of everyone to stop with the DROID Prime rumor until the actual device name is announced.
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
Is there any confirmation that the Prime is even going to be released on Verizon?
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Exactly. Motorola Droid, anyone? Google Experience phone(even though I don't remember if it had any of the Verizon bloatware)
Your right, hopefully droid prime gets pure google like the motorola droid did
That includes quite a high percentage of people on this forum...lol
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The droid prime is suppose to be the successor to the droid charge, that's my problem with android. The charge just came out a couple of months back, and yet to receive a major update!
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Buy an iCrap if you want boxed up updates with a nice bow and personal nametag.
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THEY RELEASE A BUGGY PHONE FOR NEARLY 600$ AND I GOT MINE FREE!
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I DID pay for this phone and am in no way pissed at samsung or verizon. You got the phone for free, so shut your mouth and count your blessings.
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there just selfish, knowing people will continue buying there new products they just leave us to rot
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Technology changes faster than a retards underwear.
Also, aren't the samsung droid charge devs on xda? What updates aren't you getting
Last thing....
Your problem with android is superior technology and forward motion?
I guess im confused.
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Nope didn't even buy the phone, I'm still eligible for an upgrade
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Buyer/owner, whatever...my point was that you sound like you don't want the phone in its current state. I'm running a Gingerbread ROM with the TouchWiz 4.0 launcher. If your biggest complaint is the lack of those two things, they've both been available for those willing to put them on the phone themselves.
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They have the software, and its not hardware that I'm complaining about, but software updates like touch wiz 4 should even be on the fascinate, and no buyers remorse here since I didn't even buy the phone. Its just how it should be, but no problem, I will get the samsung prime knowing they won't be able to improve the next gen devices by alot.the wave of android phones will slow down significantly. Peace xda family
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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It's called technology ... it's moving forward. Once the phones catch up to the current technology, the onslaught of phones will stop ... just like you stated. The fact you even brought this up, about a phone that details about the phone aren't even released yet. Much less even said to be released on the Verizon network ... is redundant in itself. You're a troll, and must be treated as such. I would ignore any comments this moron makes just for the simple fact he's moaning about a device he may not even see. Not to mention ... Droid Charge isn't even Verizon's "flagship" phone. That would be the Bionic. Have a nice day.
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Hater, your the troll I just said what was on my mind about the manufacturer never said the droid charge wasn't a great phone so how am I trolling, I dislike people like you who come on the forum just to talk smack about a person's thoughts, speak on the subject not about me you punk.have a good day, you need it.
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So it's been a little while since we've seen a new leak. I'm thinking Gingerbread is now done and in the hands of AT&T. What do you guys think? please, discuss.
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So it's been a little while since we've seen a new leak. I'm thinking Gingerbread is now done and in the hands of AT&T. What do you guys think? please, discuss.
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Tbh I don't think at&t gives a **** about infuse owners. It didn't sell too well. They're focusing on marketing the skyrocket and attain sgs2 models.
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Tbh I don't think at&t gives a **** about infuse owners. It didn't sell too well. They're focusing on marketing the skyrocket and attain sgs2 models.
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Gingerbread's clearly coming... Look at all the leaks. They aren't just made to tease.
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Tbh I don't think at&t gives a **** about infuse owners. It didn't sell too well. They're focusing on marketing the skyrocket and attain sgs2 models.
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And the Infuse actually sold extremely well. I worked at an AT&T store.
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The infuse was #2 selling phone all summer
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I've met some ignorant people but some of these posts are mind boggling. Like they manage to ignore the entire forum just to respond to a single post and give their opinion about att.. We only have about 6 or 8 leaks for new firmware on a pretty regular release schedule and an att announcement that we get GB in 2011 and several threads showing the infuse as a top seller but we get responses like these.
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I've met some ignorant people but some of these posts are mind boggling. Like they manage to ignore the entire forum just to respond to a single post and give their opinion about att.. We only have about 6 or 8 leaks for new firmware on a pretty regular release schedule and an att announcement that we get GB in 2011 and several threads showing the infuse as a top seller but we get responses like these.
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So, we are 99% sure that we will get it. LOL At least by early to mid January, right.
But seriously, I hear you Dani, I love my phone and can't understand why since the SG2 and Nexus and Atrix are out suddenly people call ours ****e? It is annoying. Our phone is top quality.
Besides, after reading the discussion in the leak threads about how the video issue came up with all of the modded kernels and most importantly the assumption that AT&T developers care about what we do here at the forums so much that they use us as guinea pigs(in a good way) they stopped releasing leaks until they were ready for the official, I just took those words for GOLD and decided we are waiting. Was I wrong?
I think the OP thinks to much
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I think the OP thinks to much
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[email protected] Cheesy
But seriously, can you think too much when software development is involved?
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I think the OP thinks to much
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Maybe I do, but it seems pretty probable to me, Cheesy
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Tbh I don't think at&t gives a **** about infuse owners. It didn't sell too well. They're focusing on marketing the skyrocket and attain sgs2 models.
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1) Yes, AT&T Doesn't give a damn about firmware updates.
2) The Infuse sold extremely well.
3) I've seen very little advertising on the Skyrocket, yet continue to see ads for the Infuse (as recently as this past week on TV and yesterday in a target flyer.)
I've decided I can live with the ROMS in our forums here and AT&T can kiss my shiny metal arse.
Well, not sure if this is any indication, but my local Walmart is selling infuse cases, as well as screen protectors, while there is nothing on the SGSII or Skyrocket. Honestly I think Samsung is spewing out more expensive versions of practically the same phone, and the Infuse is the OG in this siuation. *thinks of carbon copying phones, and sees a conspiracy theory!*
Since I follow these forums as well as the Xperia Play forums, my hypothesis is:
-They were testing GB
-They LOLragequit and decided to make all newer android phones upgradeable to ICS
-they plan on releasing ICS in January or February.
I know these are some out-there speculations, but AT&T tends to send firmware updates in batches, and it has been confirmed by Sony Ericsson that they are planning on ICS for the Play by February 2012.
Just my 2 cents on the matter.
What I think is that as usual att is behind schedule. Maybe Samsung put us off while developing a whole new line. Either way I doubt we will see official this month. but the idea we will never see it is just ignoring the evidence. They wouldn't be working on it so aggressively if they didn't intend to release it. Also since att probably only wanted one update the wait is kinda a good thing since we'll get at least 2.3.6 and not 2.3.3 like Rogers got.
I honestly don't think we will see gb officially. Bit I have had gingerbread on my phone for a while now
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I think the Infuse is a decent phone.
Already fast.
Dual core means didily squat...to me, it a phone. If you want fast, get a tablet or netbook or laptop.
4.5" is just right in my back pocket or breast pocket.
GB leak is prob near completion.
I'm expecting a OTA within a month or two.
If it doesn't, UCKK4 stock is fine for me as well.
Some of the tweaks added to CatyROM (acid, thunderbolt or adrenaline) or some we can add ourselves may be better than the release....unless samsung has been follow the threads and incorporate them into the new release.
my2cents...
my next phone should have a neuro connection I can jam into my brain. It'll be instant like my thoughts. It'll run off my stored fat. And I will be assimilated
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The infuse was #2 selling phone all summer
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Right after the iPhone, and it would still be if it weren't for the new models.
What people don't seem to get, is that AT&T is also deving for the phone, they encounter the same issues that our devs encounter. Bluetooth issues, HDMI output, the only difference is that they are "Official Updates" because they are carrier released.
The only good conclusion about no leaks, is that it got it's kinks worked out and its in the final stages of testing to make sure no kinks were left untreated.
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What I think is that as usual att is behind schedule. Maybe Samsung put us off while developing a whole new line. Either way I doubt we will see official this month. but the idea we will never see it is just ignoring the evidence. They wouldn't be working on it so aggressively if they didn't intend to release it. Also since att probably only wanted one update the wait is kinda a good thing since we'll get at least 2.3.6 and not 2.3.3 like Rogers got.
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This could be very true. remember the backflip, that thing got its update to 2.1 like 4 months after it was planned. and to be honest, AT&T never said by years end. it said is 2011 android line will expect to receive gingerbread.
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Customers who purchased an Android smartphone from AT&T introduced in 2011 can expect to receive an update to Android 2.3. All of these devices are planned to be upgraded from Android 2.2 to Android 2.3, also referred to as Gingerbread. In addition, Samsung Captivate™ owners will be able to upgrade to Gingerbread.
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Customers who purchased an Android in 2011 will EXPECT a update. no where on there does it says by years end.
Actually, it says "Can EXPECT". Frankly, I can expect to win the lottery and magic beans to sprout in my garden.
The possibilities are endless!
We will get it people...like dani said...they are not gonna waste time and resources to develop these leaks to just not update us....its not logical and frankly doesn't make sense....have patience people...
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They spent all the time and money on developing the leaks just to keep the profit margin down. That way taxes are to high.
Damn, we have some really pessimistic people in these forums. All I wanted was a discussion.thread, not an AT&T sucks thread :/
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And the rant begins...
Felt like venting to my fellow XDA members at how utterly ridiculous these lags in updates are.
How on earth does Google release android 4.2 Jelly Bean back in October 2012, and only TWO phones are currently running it?
Is Google being held hostage by each carrier so much to the point of a simple .1 update? What will it take for this nonsense to finally come to an end!?
Not to mention Verizon leaks 4.1.2 out this week and they removed premium suite....what exactly did this update offer?
I cant see a successful future for any of these companies or Google if this cancerous relationship between the OS and Carrier continues much longer.
And supposedly 5.0 key lime pie is coming in May?
What phones will be running 5.0 out of the gates if any? My guess is Galaxy S4 will drop with 4.2 or possibly even 4.1.2
Any thoughts?
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Dude, the tbolt just got ics. We get it when we get it. And I assume it's mostly Verizon's fault.
Hope that didn't come off jerky.
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They do this so you buy the new phones..
like HTC, just released the DNA.. was the flagship for like what a month, now the HTC M7 is the new hot thing and it's what the same exact phone but 4.7' rather than 5'. but it comes with sense 5.0..
thank god for root, other wise we'd be screwed,
yes officially the tbolt just got ICS but theyve been running that stable for some time now.
it's unfortunate, but at least we do have root, and phones like the HTC DNA that get screwed like that will be able to port the M7 sense 5.0 ROM to the DNA.
it is what it is and sucks lol, and I agree with above, it's mostly Verizon
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They do this so you buy the new phones..
like HTC, just released the DNA.. was the flagship for like what a month, now the HTC M7 is the new hot thing and it's what the same exact phone but 4.7' rather than 5'. but it comes with sense 5.0..
thank god for root, other wise we'd be screwed,
yes officially the tbolt just got ICS but theyve been running that stable for some time now.
it's unfortunate, but at least we do have root, and phones like the HTC DNA that get screwed like that will be able to port the M7 sense 5.0 ROM to the DNA.
it is what it is and sucks lol, and I agree with above, it's mostly Verizon
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God bless root!
I can't imagine Google is happy that less than 1% of all smart phones world wide are currently running their latest OS.
And I can't agree more.. Verizon is the problem.
I think all signs point to Google getting into the development of hardware... wouldn't it be nice to have a Google android store like Apple has the Apple stores?
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My Xperia play only had a 2.3.4 update for gingerbread while every other Verizon has ics or jb , glad I unlocked and rooted my phone Verizon sux in terms of updates for phones but their coverage is decent
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I Dont get why Google doesn't stand its ground. All phones should be running AOSP. I have actually grown to like touchwiz but if all phones ran AOSP, I bet updates would come quicker. May not be right away for companies like Verizon to add boat, but that's it. There's no standard. While that does add variety and choice, it also adds confusion. People ask me allllll the time about my sgs3, " is that a droid"? So annoying lol
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I Dont get why Google doesn't stand its ground. All phones should be running AOSP. I have actually grown to like touchwiz but if all phones ran AOSP, I bet updates would come quicker. May not be right away for companies like Verizon to add boat, but that's it. There's no standard. While that does add variety and choice, it also adds confusion. People ask me allllll the time about my sgs3, " is that a droid"? So annoying lol
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But then it would just be like a iPhone same thing on different types of phones I personally don't mind all the different types of software which makes phones unique with running android
Btw I hate that too people think Droid and android are two different things. I had an argument with this girl about her wanting a Droid but talking about how android sucks. Lol
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I LOVE touch wiz motion controls and general UI on top of the android OS.
It just kills me that Verizon doesn't at least keep each companies “flagship devices" (ie SGS3) up to date.
It's a big FU to all of us
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Whatever the aosp release is at is basically a beta in everything but name. Its deployed to a small group of rather technical users where issues can be ironed out. Then months later everyone else gets the carrier's and manufacturer's refinements/adulteration of android. And repeat.
If you want to be in he new release club you need a Nexus or phone that's popular but long in the tooth so the hardware is pretty much mastered. If you buy a non nexus phone you sign up knowing full well that you are at the mercy of a 3rd party. This isn't 2010 anymore . the pattern is well established.
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But then it would just be like a iPhone same thing on different types of phones I personally don't mind all the different types of software which makes phones unique with running android
Btw I hate that too people think Droid and android are two different things. I had an argument with this girl about her wanting a Droid but talking about how android sucks. Lol
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haha yeah. I had a girl who wanted a sgs3 but hated droids. I was like um...they're both android phones. I was like "droid" is just a advertising name for a lot verizon phones. Droid is just simply advertisement and basically that's it. Somehow that advertising got everyone thinking its apple, microsoft, blackberry, and "droids" lol
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haha yeah. I had a girl who wanted a sgs3 but hated droids. I was like um...they're both android phones. I was like "droid" is just a advertising name for a lot verizon phones. Droid is just simply advertisement and basically that's it. Somehow that advertising got everyone thinking its apple, microsoft, blackberry, and "droids" lol
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Exactly! Lol
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The x phone will be the first with klp. And if moto is allowed to do anything to that phone and put some gay layout on it because its not a nexus device I will not buy it. I'm sick of Verizon and im leaving them on may 15th. The galaxy nexus was the biggest disappointment in my eyes. (Nexus phone that Verizon withheld every update and various awesome accessories)
At least the s3 wasn't promising continuous updates, wireless docks and so on
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Verizon is a member of the Open Handset Alliance. One of the founding members, I believe...
Hard to believe, based on their behavior.
When the Hell will they get it through their heads that they really don't need to be involved with much? I pay Verizon to provide a network (and ONLY a network), not hold my hand. I mean, really? Could a phone really harm their network if it hadn't passed through their approval and bloatware installation processes?
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that.
Honestly I kind of doubt we will see any 4.2 action till way after the release of the S4... if at all.
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that.
Honestly I kind of doubt we will see any 4.2 action till way after the release of the S4... if at all.
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Touche.. however I don't believe the Verizon Gnex has been updated yet.. which is RIDICULOUS.
I am almost willing to bet galaxy S4 launches with 4.1.2 premium suite
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There are currently two phones running 4.2, The Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 4. Just thought id clarify that..
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My phone is running 4.2
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Touche.. however I don't believe the Verizon Gnex has been updated yet.. which is RIDICULOUS.
I am almost willing to bet galaxy S4 launches with 4.1.2 premium suite
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I'm almost willing to bet it drops with 4.2. I'll give you a breakdown.
Does Google handle the customer service if a Android device has issues? No. Who does? Either the carrier or the manufacturer. That being said, there needs to be documentation of every single little thing done in an update in order for proper support on both ends of distribution. Customer service has to be trained along with tech support and any type of sales person, which takes time and money. On the software side it seems Samsung is pretty solid. We've gone from 4.0.4 to (soon) 4.1.2 with a total of (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 updates and this phone hasn't even been out for a year. When it comes to the "premium suite" did you ever consider the possibility that the test build that we have is simply "bare?". Makes things easier to troubleshoot if you don't pack in every single little feature to begin with.
You have to remember that you don't pay for the updates themselves. Yes, you paid for the phone but when you buy a Windows 8 laptop are you going to get mad because you won't get the next version for free? I don't speak for other manufacturers but have to say Samsung is doing a pretty damn good job with keeping us updated. Sorry, had to rant. Just irritates me.
Oh, and yes, they do it in order to sell more phones. But, can you blame them? Samsung is doing everything they can to stamp Apple out. That means releasing a flagship phone that will be the first of that manufacturer to launch with the newest software version.
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I'm almost willing to bet it drops with 4.2. I'll give you a breakdown.
Does Google handle the customer service if a Android device has issues? No. Who does? Either the carrier or the manufacturer. That being said, there needs to be documentation of every single little thing done in an update in order for proper support on both ends of distribution. Customer service has to be trained along with tech support and any type of sales person, which takes time and money. On the software side it seems Samsung is pretty solid. We've gone from 4.0.4 to (soon) 4.1.2 with a total of (correct me if I'm wrong) 4 updates and this phone hasn't even been out for a year. When it comes to the "premium suite" did you ever consider the possibility that the test build that we have is simply "bare?". Makes things easier to troubleshoot if you don't pack in every single little feature to begin with.
You have to remember that you don't pay for the updates themselves. Yes, you paid for the phone but when you buy a Windows 8 laptop are you going to get mad because you won't get the next version for free? I don't speak for other manufacturers but have to say Samsung is doing a pretty damn good job with keeping us updated. Sorry, had to rant. Just irritates me.
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Don't be sorry. There is some truth in what you have said. Our device has made the jump from ICS to JB which I am very thankful for. Kudos to Samsung there.
My issue is that the S3 and Note 2 are in my opinion the best phones to date... and the carriers are so stupid that they can't communicate with Google and prepare customer service for the release of the new OS on or near its release date... Then Google will announce android 5.0 just as the carriers are getting 4.1.2 or 4.2 .
I understand they want to keep the customers wanting more.... but at some point I feel that Google start developing hardware and move on.
Apparently Samsung has already begun the opposite..
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-is-working-on-its-own-operating-system
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Don't be sorry. There is some truth in what you have said. Our device has made the jump from ICS to JB which I am very thankful for. Kudos to Samsung there.
My issue is that the S3 and Note 2 are in my opinion the best phones to date... and the carriers are so stupid that they can't communicate with Google and prepare customer service for the release of the new OS on or near its release date... Then Google will announce android 5.0 just as the carriers are getting 4.1.2 or 4.2 .
I understand they want to keep the customers wanting more.... but at some point I feel that Google start developing hardware and move on.
Apparently Samsung has already begun the opposite..
http://www.examiner.com/article/samsung-is-working-on-its-own-operating-system
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Haha, yeah. I just didn't want to come across negative. thanks for being understanding. I do understand your frustrations. I don't see 5.0 dropping for awhile. Google said its going to slow down a bit in their releases because Jellybean is beautiful. It brought fluidity to a "fragmented" market and while only two phones officially have 4.2, jellybean is gaining a share of the updates. I think it and ICS almost comprise 50% of the market share for Android versions which is amazing in my opinion.
You know what I'd love? I'd love for the Galaxy S IV to use the new graphine dipped batteries. Can you imagine that with 2gb of RAM and just a revisioned Exynos Quad Core? It could run at a constant 1.0ghz minimum on each core with the screen on so that multitasking would be beautifully smooth and would be easier on battery life since tasks could start and end quickly. But, anyway, If Google is going to go directly into hardware they'd have a good start. I'd love a Nexus phone to rock a MAXX battery and a 1080p AMOLED. If I recall the new AMOLED that will be in the GS4 uses 25% less battery. The combination would be ermahgerd.
Also, didn't Samsung already try another OS? pretty sure Bada didn't do too well lol.
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One can only dream!
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