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Hi all,
Does anyone else have a problem with sense keep restarting everytime they close an application? It keeps going to the white screen with HTC on and loading sense again. I have tried closing any open apps and system processes but it doesn't seem to sort the issue
Any ideas would be brilliant guys
Thanks
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Not every application but it Does happen here
I got so sick of that.. Decided to use Go launcher EX and now the phone is quick and responsive. No white screen and spinning wheel.
Keeps happening with me... Espically after i do browsing using mozilla firefox
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Same here I also have the same issue..any solution?other then go launcher.
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nothing you can do about it really.. sense is killed off while running certain apps, probably those that are more memory intensive to free up enough ram. Then after closing those apps it has to reload.
Rosie on the stock Rom isn't forced to stay in memory, so it can get killed when you are out of Ram. I'm pretty sure some custom Roms are forcing it to stay in memory, and that helped me while I was still using the stock home screen.
Reason I went with LPP. That's the only hassle with a device with it's own memory management.
Same problem here...
Does anyone have an idea?
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I went with Launcher Pro Plus here too. I love the Sense launcher more than anything, but the constant reloading just got to be too much. Hopefully HTC can release an update to fix it.
yeh, this is really starting to pi$$ me off now and i thought this phone was suppose to be the flagship launch for htc and something like this is totally ruining it for me
I've only had that happen very infrequently regardless of rom. One thing to keep in mind is that its not entirely HTC's fault. If rosie relaunches after you close an app then the app you were running was possibly poorly coded allowing its RAM usage to run out of control (with the exception of apps that just need that much RAM).
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I also experience this annoying thing. And I also think its related to the lack of free RAM and android having to kill sense to free up some RAM.
This is totally HTCs fault!! its obvious that the amount of RAM on this supposedly flagship device isn't enough to handle the new sense. I've never seen something like this on my desirehd and I use the same apps on both devices...
The only thing i can recommend is to install custom rom. I had this problem too but after installing custom rom (which has some RAM optimalization) my problem was solved
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I also experience this annoying thing. And I also think its related to the lack of free RAM and android having to kill sense to free up some RAM.
This is totally HTCs fault!! its obvious that the amount of RAM on this supposedly flagship device isn't enough to handle the new sense. I've never seen something like this on my desirehd and I use the same apps on both devices...
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So hardware manufacturers are supposed to throw in gobs of RAM to account for poor coding by third party developers and drive up their costs in the process? They have no way of knowing what apps you'll run and if they work properly.
I'm not sure of the technical terminology but basically it comes down to this: when apps are backgrounded they are supposed to enter a dormant state except for apps that utilize background updates or have some other specific need to maintain an active state while backgrounded. When dormant, they can freely be killed to free up RAM. Background apps holding an active state are only killed when there are no dormant apps that can be killed. The problem occurs when too many background apps hold an active state for no reason. This forces the OS to start killing active apps like rosie. The OS doesn't know how important your active apps are but it knows that rosie isn't that important in the whole scheme of things. The problem can also occur when an app's RAM needs are high or are allowed to climb out of control. In that case, killing all the dormant apps might not be enough to meet the app's RAM needs.
When an app on your pc has a RAM leak and its RAM usage climbs uncontrolled until your pc crashes, do you blame the pc manufacturer for not equipping it with enough RAM?
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I was experiencing this a lot when I was on stock ROM.
I want to join the argument for custom ROMs. Ever since flashing LeeDroid I have not experienced this at all.
Another vote here for a custom ROM. When I was on stock ROM it happened to me a lot, especially when exiting FireFox. Haven't had any of that madness since I started flashing custom ROMs.
Same issue here and it's starting to make me want to go back to my HTC HD 2 which had none of these issues :-\
I was having the exact problem ! BUT I found the reason --> 'spare parts' If u have this sw installed in your phone u have 2 options:
1. Set activity/process management to NORMAL instead of aggressive
2. Just uninstall the SW if u really no need it
See U !
Hello everyone. I have recently purchased an HTC One S, and I have found this issues about it, let´s see of they have some solution:
-Very few free Ram. After starting it, I only have 200 MB free Ram. Is it normal?, Can it be increased?, Am I going to have problems running some ram demanding games?, For the moment, I have run shadow gun and it works flawlessly. It is strange mostly when you see that a Desire has the same amount of free ram, having only a total of 512 MB, One S has 1 GB, where did it go?, other phones with 1 GB of Ram have 400 MB or more free ram, like xperia S, Galaxy S and so on... Is it a problem of ICS, Sense, or both?....
-The launcher keeps reloading for some seconds after running some big apps, like games, internet heavy pages and things like that. It seems that the system runs out of memory, maybe because of the first issue, and unloads the sense launcher. Can it be avoid someway, without having to root or to install custom roms?
-Calendar: let´s see if I can explain this one. We have a setting that marks the amount of minutes that we want the phone to notify us of an event in the calendar. Let´s say we have 15 minutes. Then If I create an event at 10:00 for instance, the phone will notify me at 9:45, ok?, the problem is about the postpone option. When I choose to postpone, it won´t notify me again. The problem is that the phone won´t notify you again when the real time of the event comes. The phone has a time to notify you again after having postponed of 15 minutes, so if you have the delay of the event set to 15 minutes, it would notify you 15 minutes later if you postpone it, but then the real time will be over, so it doesn´t notify you. The only way that it can notify you after postponing is to set the delay at 30 minutes or more, then if you pospone it, after 15 minutes it will advise you again.
This was different in other phones, and better from my point of view. In Diamond it was set to 5 minutes between postpones.. HD2 was 1 minute, and desire is 10 minutes. So, do you know an easy way to change this so I can be notified 5 minutes later after posponing an event?.
-Memory Android control behavior, I mean, multitasking is almost non-existent. You can go home from some apps, but sometimes the SO closes them without telling you anything, so when you go back to them, you don´t go to the point where you left it. For example, I open the manual of HTC One S in PDF, I start reading it, pass some pages, then go home and do some other tasks, when I come back to the manual, I am not taken to the last page I was in. The same with some games and other apps. Gladdly it does not seem to be happening with word or other apps that have an open and edited file, fortunatly....
Well, these are the main problems I see about the phone. The other things are great, apart from the micro arc oxidation problem that I see unacceptable, but this is another subject different from software ones..... It is a pity it has these issues, because the phone is the best one in the market right now, in my opinion, the camera is fast and great, the screen is britght and sharp....
Best regards.
Any ideas or help about any of these problems?.
Best regards.
O man, this post is really long. Lol. Ill bookmark it and read tomorrow - try to offer some help
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maybe all that has to do with the small amount of memory available for the phone to use.
i too had only about 170Mb available ram with no apps running except a battery and the usual HTC sense. I was getting similar symptoms as you do, and i suspect that the phone may be closing your apps to allow htc sense to keep on running smoothly. I cannot find an answer to that though. i sold mine for various reasons
So referring to problems 1,2 and 4... that is normal and all due to the internal management of free ram. I read somewhere in the settings that 90mbyte is the ram the system should keep free. so basically you have 80 mb of free ram (starting from 170MB total free space which is normal) before the systems start to close apps in the background. Using ram hungry apps will fill this up fast and therefore close other apps or even close sense. I to think that the HOS is a little bit harsh on closing apps...
If you install one of the ICS Ports (Miui, CM9, AOKP) you have around 400 mb free ram. So basically it is Sense which is eating your space. And to answer your last question without rooting and using a custom rom there is nothing you can change about those things.
One X users have the same issues with multitasking, and HTC official answer is that they tweaked ICS memory management for a "good sense experience"...
So, it seems that despite being toned down visually and being incredibly improved, Sense 4.0 is still having the ethernal same issue of ressourse hog... =\
So as you all say, it is quite sure that the problem is with sense. They say that they do this in order to have a "good sense experience", but I don´t see a "good sense experience" to have th sense continously reloading, grrrrr.......
Anyway.... let´s hope they solve this with an update or something, maybe we should all write htc to make presure so they solve this, don´t you think?.
What can you tell about point 3?, did you experience it too?.
Best regards.
no multitasking on t-mo
See thread "where is multitasking". The problem is with sense. Non T-mo devices received update that fixed this. T-mobile device still have this problem and since it is up to the carrier, not HTC, we might get update in months
This issue with killing application in the background just minutes you were out of of it is insane. None of the tech review website caught this in their 5 pages reviews a month ago. People just now are finding these issues.
I am patiently waiting for CM9 Beta or official release to install it. I have used sense for a month now and it is a struggle, there are so many issues, including the one with patents for "association" where you open a link for a video and loads in a browser instead of the app, and is not just with videos.
Honestly if I knew there so many "little" issues I would hold my problem free Google Nexus One sacrificing only 3G vs 4G and lower processor speed.
Sense is not as productive as Stock Android.
So you mean that there is already an update for One series?, I don´t see any update download in the web page of HTC. Mine is orange, hope they will release it soon. This thing about apps closing and sense reloading is starting to anoy me. As you say, no review talked about this when they released them.
Another issue that anoys me a lot is that when you have a long queue of songs in the music player, it doesn´t remember the song you where playing after been several hours without using it. This didn´t happen to me in the whole lot of mobiles I had, diamond, hd2, and even old nokias......
This phone is asking for an update urgently, I am afraid..... I don´t say that I wouldn´t have bought it if I knew all this, but I would have thought it better....
Best regards.
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See thread "where is multitasking". The problem is with sense. Non T-mo devices received update that fixed this. T-mobile device still have this problem and since it is up to the carrier, not HTC, we might get update in months
This issue with killing application in the background just minutes you were out of of it is insane. None of the tech review website caught this in their 5 pages reviews a month ago. People just now are finding these issues.
I am patiently waiting for CM9 Beta or official release to install it. I have used sense for a month now and it is a struggle, there are so many issues, including the one with patents for "association" where you open a link for a video and loads in a browser instead of the app, and is not just with videos.
Honestly if I knew there so many "little" issues I would hold my problem free Google Nexus One sacrificing only 3G vs 4G and lower processor speed.
Sense is not as productive as Stock Android.
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Yes, people with non carrier branded phones reported updates on engadget.com. T-mobile, Orange, etc will get it months down the road. Me, not happy with this. The development community is asking for kernel code to fix a custom rom, like CM9 and fix these issues for good. I suggest, add HTC USA, HTC UK, HTC world on facebook and post a comment about kernel release code, update, etc. in a kindly manner. They do respond, at least to me. Email them thru HTCdev.com also.
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So you mean that there is already an update for One series?, I don´t see any update download in the web page of HTC. Mine is orange, hope they will release it soon. This thing about apps closing and sense reloading is starting to anoy me. As you say, no review talked about this when they released them.
Another issue that anoys me a lot is that when you have a long queue of songs in the music player, it doesn´t remember the song you where playing after been several hours without using it. This didn´t happen to me in the whole lot of mobiles I had, diamond, hd2, and even old nokias......
This phone is asking for an update urgently, I am afraid..... I don´t say that I wouldn´t have bought it if I knew all this, but I would have thought it better....
Best regards.
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Do you know the improvements that the update will have?, you say that multitasking would be fixed, what about the sense reloading problem?.
Do you know if the update will delete anything or it is safe to install it?.
Besst regards.
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Yes, people with non carrier branded phones reported updates on engadget.com. T-mobile, Orange, etc will get it months down the road. Me, not happy with this. The development community is asking for kernel code to fix a custom rom, like CM9 and fix these issues for good. I suggest, add HTC USA, HTC UK, HTC world on facebook and post a comment about kernel release code, update, etc. in a kindly manner. They do respond, at least to me. Email them thru HTCdev.com also.
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I have no idea how each wireless carrier will customize their version of the update. To my knowledge OTA updates for the last 2 1/2 years did not delete anything.
I am not developer or anyhting. I never installed a ROM etc, but I can't stand Sense and these carrier delays with OTA updates. I am coming from Google Nexus One -(HTC),purchased straight from google 2+ years ago, where updates were distributed months before the carriers got theirs if any. CM9 for ICS will get me closer to this pure android experience.
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Do you know the improvements that the update will have?, you say that multitasking would be fixed, what about the sense reloading problem?.
Do you know if the update will delete anything or it is safe to install it?.
Besst regards.
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Hello again. I have just installed the update from orange, 1.78.75.5, and this is my first impresion:
-2 new apps, daily motion, that basically has videos and trailers, and TV, which I am not able to use because is only for orange clients, and I am a movistar user, using my sim car in an free orange one S.
-Some new animated backgorunds, very ugly in my humble opinion.
-More free RAM, not many, but some more, after restarting I have 231 MB, but after moving through the different desktops and loading the widgets for SMS, contacts, favorites, galery and so on... I have 187 Mb of RAM, when before I had about 160 MB of RAM.
-The reloading of sense is still happening after playing with shadow gun, and I am not taken to the last position where I left it if I come back to it. Anyway, I assume that this game is too big, almost 160 MB of RAM, so I can live with it, I guess the reloads will be less frequent now. I have tried blood and glory, another big game, and press home button didn´t reload the sense, so I guess it is OK for me.
-I am not sure about this, but I have the impression that 3G is better now, I can browse the web near my home, when before the update I couldn´t.
Best regards and thanks for your support.
I have an Infuse that always runs slow, even when I wiped the data from the previous owner when I first got it. It is not hooked up to any cell phone service, as I only use my devices as tools. I recently got an HTC Thunderbolt, and when I compaired its specs to the infuse, they mostly matched up. However, the HTC runs pretty smoothly, and is only a single-core, while the infuse is a dual-core. I'm very confused with the difference in performance. The Infuse often take 20+ seconds to transition between going to the home screen, switching to different home panel, and going to a selected app icon. I am using the stock launcher, 3 home pages, 1 battery widget, and no live wallpaper. Im trying everything I can think of, to not slow it down, and I very frequently to to the task manager, to clear out the active apps and RAM. The phone still remains an astonishing pain to use.
I was wondering if this was common with this device, and what other users have done to remedy it. Could someone recommend a launcher that is friendly to this device? Also, I'm planning on rooting it soon, when I have some time. It's there any good ROMs that someone would recommend, maybe one that is best for phones without cell phone service, and improve on its Bluetooth connectivity. The audio sometimes goes audit for a few seconds, which wouldn't be so annoying, if I didn't mostly listen to audio books. I always have to occasionally rewind the track, to hear the part I missed. Thank you for any input.
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I have an Infuse that always runs slow, even when I wiped the data from the previous owner when I first got it. It is not hooked up to any cell phone service, as I only use my devices as tools. I recently got an HTC Thunderbolt, and when I compaired its specs to the infuse, they mostly matched up. However, the HTC runs pretty smoothly, and is only a single-core, while the infuse is a dual-core. I'm very confused with the difference in performance. The Infuse often take 20+ seconds to transition between going to the home screen, switching to different home panel, and going to a selected app icon. I am using the stock launcher, 3 home pages, 1 battery widget, and no live wallpaper. Im trying everything I can think of, to not slow it down, and I very frequently to to the task manager, to clear out the active apps and RAM. The phone still remains an astonishing pain to use.
I was wondering if this was common with this device, and what other users have done to remedy it. Could someone recommend a launcher that is friendly to this device? Also, I'm planning on rooting it soon, when I have some time. It's there any good ROMs that someone would recommend, maybe one that is best for phones without cell phone service, and improve on its Bluetooth connectivity. The audio sometimes goes audit for a few seconds, which wouldn't be so annoying, if I didn't mostly listen to audio books. I always have to occasionally rewind the track, to hear the part I missed. Thank you for any input.
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Which android version ur running froyo 2.2.1??
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If you're running froyo, it's probably slow...even gingerbread was noticeably slower for me. The infuse is also single core with a 1.2 GHz processor. But a ROM I would recommend if you're going to Jellybean, which I would also recommend, is Beanstalk from Scott. It's my personal favorite, but there are quite a few options now, so it's really up to your personal preference and what you're looking for in a rom. I also like the Slim Bean build from Faux Affliction, cm10.2 from Scott, and vanilla rootbox from andros.
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This is what I did to get my S4 (tested on 3 phones) running stock ROM without any stuttering.
Phones/Network: 1 Koodo unlocked on Bell Network, 1 Telus running on Telus, 1 Bell running on Bell.
Root: All phones rooted
Network: LTE disabled, search for Wi-Fi Disabled
Removed or Frozen apps with Titanium Backup (paid version)
Chaton - Frozen
City Video - Frozen
Commande Blurb - Frozen
Courriel - I suppose this is the basic email samsung app but with a french name - Frozen (I Use K-9)
EpsonPrintService - Frozen
GPS Navigator - Frozen
HP Print Service - Frozen
Knox Store - Frozen
Polaris Office - Frozen
S Calendar - Frozen
S Memo - Frozen
S Note Provider - Frozen
S Traducteur(probably S Translate for most of you) - Frozen
S Voice - Frozen
Samsung Apps - Frozen
Samsung Apps Widget - Frozen
Samsung books - Frozen
Samsung Games - Frozen
Samsung Hub - Frozen
Samsung Knox - Frozen
Samsung Learning - Frozen
Samsun Link - Frozen
Samsung Watchon - Frozen
Samsung hubupdater - Frozen
TalkBack - Frozen
I also removed all third party apps like these:
Google apps: Removed (Books, music, movie, etc), I kept Play, Maps, Gmail and Search
All Yahoo apps - Removed
Flipboard - Removed
Facebook - Removed
Twitter - Removed
All crappy S4 features (eyes, movement/gestures, etc) are turned OFF
I run S-Health 24/24
I only kept 1 app from Bell, the one giving me informations about what I used (data plan and voice plan)
I dont know anything about making custom ROMs. Those settings give me a great Android experience with my S4. I have no explanation regarding why I froze or removed those apps.
I tried 2 of the most popular ROMs on XDA an none of them could match my stock settings (except for battery life, it was a little better than what I had with my settings using Goldeneye and a custom kernel).
Background:
Programmer (and teacher)
Network Admin (Linux and Microsoft)
Technician
My point: Those who experience lag/stuttering should look deeper into Touch Wiz. The worst experience I ever had with my S4 was with a highly popular ROM on XDA. It was suppose to be fast. Well, it wasnt for me and a few others.
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
atari800 said:
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Huh?
Freezing an APP wont make the GS4 faster - that I agree with
and I think what you meant to say was:
Freezing the apps because they are using up battery (juice?) - right?
If that is what you were saying then that doesnt make sense. That assumes that the more dormant applications on your phone, the shorter the battery life.
If I take out my battery and keep it out for an hour, a day, a week...and plug it back in I have the same apps.
I have the same apps regardless of power.
Is not about having a Faster phone is about having NO LAG. Even the faster ROM in this site lags sometimes. It is fast as hell, but you do get the occasional Lag.... The only way to have a Lag free experience in the S4 is by using the Google Edition rom.
What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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I hear you my Brother i got 2 SG4 And the one, That's AT&T Stock Rom Odexed the way it came no lag at all and That's Stock one, The other is on My Deadly Venom SG4 which i still haven't released Deodex still working more stuff before i release it here and no type of lag at all so i'm with you on this one!:good:
Here's more apps to freeze if interested as posted from verizon s4 section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42351535#post42351535
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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Really? You're going to report people who complain about the thing that literarily THOUSANDS of people complain about and that you still think is 'fake'? Every web site that I've read of people who were die hard iPhone users and finally switched to Android always mention that ONLY the Nexus/Google Edition phone did that for them. All others with their proprietary frameworks/skins were too laggy/slow compared to the iPhone.
So no, there is definitely 'unreasonable' lag.
There are two issues though, 1) people misuse the word lag 2) people are not all the same. Some are fine with 30fps being the minimum they need for smooth gameplay in games, some need 60fps 3) some don't know what to look for/have never experienced a 'no lag' device and thing that lag is normal
For me, I see it. Everything but an AOSP rom is too laggy for me.
There's not just lag as a problem. Also stutters are a problem as TW eats up so much ram sometimes that games sometimes need to start swapping (obviously very graphically intense games and only after 10+ minutes of gameplay)
So relax.
Doesn't disabling apps without root do the same as freezing with tb
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I am still looking for a lag
I just googled "samsung galaxy lag" and it seems that the billionth of a second delay from open an app and going to the home screen is the issue. And doing it a million times in a row. Really? Is that it?
My goodness I am looking for applications that stutter or dialing a telephone number and the digits are sticking or an application partially opening- a delay of a second or 2- then it finishing loading
If this is what THOUSANDS of people are complaining about they have way too much time on their hands. That is just like complaining about how fast a toilet flushes.
Wow no wonder I didnt notice it. I was looking THROUGH the issue
I am happy with what I got - its fast, I can call people, I can play a game while waiting for a beer, I can take a picture of boobs, I can text people, and I can get directions. The phone accomplishes what I want it to do
Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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It's a non issue to you. Fine, move on. Don't even click on threads that mention the word lag.
It's a huge issue to others. You guys seem to fail to notice my comparison to iPhone and it's smoothness. iPhone is still ahead of Android in terms of UI smoothness. So yes these are phones and not super computers. But the iPhone can be smoothers with half the ram, so no, the S4 nor any other android gets a pass because it's "just a phone"
Likewise nobody is mentioning a millionth of a second delay as the issue. Atari you threw those numbers out. I see a 1 second to 2 second delays sometimes when I swipe app drawers. When I wake my phone is takes 2-3 seconds for the samsung clock widget to update.
Likewise there is stutter in games. AOSP roms don't have it, stock TW has it. I imagine it's the fact that TW uses double the RAM that an AOSP rom uses (1.2gb vs 600mb on my AOSP) which obviously is 600mb less for the app to have. That is just BLOATWARE. Horrible ineffecient bloated programming. There is no excuse for a PHONE with TWO GB of RAM in 2013 to have issues with running out of RAM.
With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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I am a first time android phone user, coming from 7+ years of i phones and I can honestly say that I have not noticed a "lag" or difference in smoothness coming from i phones. I am loving the S4 and can't see myself going back to an i phone.
Just my experience, you would think from reading some of these threads that ALL of the S4's are "laggy" or slow....just wanted to give my experience with it, it may be different for others.
iOS (any version) has a custom build for each device. You cannot take the iOS 6.13 for iPhone 5 and apply it on an iPad 3. They each have their own builds that exploit each devices capabilities to the maximum. Android on the other hand has 1 core OS build that each manufacturer either tweaks or adds bloat ware or whatever .... And there in lies the problem.
Sure SOMEONE could make a custom build for a SG4 that is specifically tweaks for the quad core CPU, it's ram, disk size/speed, etc. and make it run like water but take that same image a plop it on another phone and that performance is gone.
Now I can honestly say I don't have a1 second delay or a 2-3 delay anywhere, with exception to a game that is loading and those usually have a progress bar showing that there is activity.
Trying to help here - could it be that your lag is caused by the removal of 1 too many "bloat wares"? Possibly something is required or expected and you lag is just a timeout waiting for "program x" to respond???
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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That's not your place. Deflate your ego. Ever heard of freedom of speech? It works like this; you seek out what you DO want and filter what you do NOT want. I
If you disagree that's cool bro. Stfu and go cry to your mom about it. Reporting threads will only make you a bigger ass, considering they're not breaking any forum or moral rules.
When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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If your S4 does not lag then you have some special S4 or something or you just have never used an AOSP rom before. After coming back from pure AOSP the stutters become very apparent. Opening apps isn't the problem as they open up very fast (don't know why people say that) but its the stuttering in the launcher and the apps and stuff. Like when you switch to the widgets in the touchwizz drawer. It takes time and it stutters like a mofo. I had the HTC One and that is a phone that doesn't stutter at all when going through the app drawer and home screens. It also eat up like 900mb of RAM and has terrible battery life (I'm coming from AOSP Which has crazy battery life)...
If you have ever tried a AOSP Rom like Slimbean you should know what a smooth phone looks like. Anyways the S4 is still an Amazing phone that has really crazy features that no other phone has. If you dont mind the little Stutters all over the place then good for you :laugh: but if you're like me who doesn't understand How a S600 quad-core CPU lags then I don't know what to say. Just my 2 cents, don't want to be offending in any way
Have a good day :laugh:
I have had multiple devices and used every kind of ROM out there. I prefer TW on my Samsung devices and I prefer AOSP and the likes on HTC devices. Sense is horrible to me. I do like AOSP and similar ROMs because they are smooth and quick, but are boring after awhile. The reason I prefer TW is because it integrates features perfectly and the camera is much better as well. I have no actual problems with my phone on TW because I have taken the time to tweak and fine tune my system to perform with speed and conserve battery life. I can get 3 days on a full battery with moderate usage and get fairly high benchmark scores. Some of these people that complain are too lazy to even take basic steps to prevent issues. I go to varying extremes to make my stuff function how I want it to.
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I haven't touched a Samsung device since the galaxy s1 i9000 and have stuck to nexus phones since that time.
I thought I would give Samsung another blast this year and see if they have redeemed their selves over the years in regards to the amount of animation stutter and input lag since they claimed to have streamlined TW and have started using their own processors to make everything work in harmony etc.
The phone itself is really really great and I quite like it but I again am still getting animation stutter all over the place.
Scrolling in play store is horrible. The simple tasks of pressing between the tabs in the dialer is the worst out of them all them and really has terrible animation and most apps stutter like mad where my old nexus 5 was nice and smooth which I can only blame TW for. Even the keyboard goes nuts if you try to look through the emojis. There's no excuse for this in this day and age with what this phone is packing.
Is it just my device or is anyone else getting a lot of stutter etc on their device?
Is their anything that can be done to solve the issue other than swap the phone
Ta
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The phone itself is really really great and I quite like it but I again am still getting animation stutter all over the place.
Scrolling in play store is horrible. The simple tasks of pressing between the tabs in the dialer is the worst out of them all them and really has terrible animation and most apps stutter like mad where my old nexus 5 was nice and smooth which I can only blame TW for. Even the keyboard goes nuts if you try to look through the emojis. There's no excuse for this in this day and age with what this phone is packing.
Is it just my device or is anyone else getting a lot of stutter etc on their device?
Is their anything that can be done to solve the issue other than swap the phone
Ta
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5.1 kinda made this issue a lot worse! I set animation in dev option to 0.5x and it helps a little!
You can try a custom ROM. You often get a much better performance with it. Or try to root and uninstall bloatware. Hope this helps.
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You can try a custom ROM. You often get a much better performance with it. Or try to root and uninstall bloatware. Hope this helps.
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Any links to guides on this. I used Odin back in the day a lot to flash custom ROMs but that's going back a long time.
Cheers
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/general/howto-flash-g92xf-t-tripping-knox-t3158606/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...xtrestolite-deodexed-mod-edition-1-0-t3094423
1. Use the first link if you want to keep your warranty safe.
2 A nice, clean, fast ROM you can use (it's the one i'm currently using) also, I would like to give back-to-n0t3 a shot soon.
Note 5 user here. Same issues on this device It's really disappointing Scrolling lag is so much higher than on my OPO.
I have no lag at all on mine running 5.1.1 - I'm usually pretty sensitive to it!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/general/howto-flash-g92xf-t-tripping-knox-t3158606/
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...xtrestolite-deodexed-mod-edition-1-0-t3094423
1. Use the first link if you want to keep your warranty safe.
2 A nice, clean, fast ROM you can use (it's the one i'm currently using) also, I would like to give back-to-n0t3 a shot soon.
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Please don't withhold all information. First link's method only works on S6 variants G92XF/T. It does not work on other variants and if attempted will cause a soft brick. For other variants of S6 on 5.1.1 there is no way to root or install custom kernels without tripping Knox.
On the subject of lag, proper usage of the phone and knowing how to free up RAM can reduce lag on your phone. Examples include clearing recent activities, using Smart Manager to "clean up" background activities and rebooting the phone every few days. With root you can use more efficient methods like Titanium Backup to freeze apps and Greenify to kill background processes. Don't just sit there complaining about lag this and lag that, go and read up on how to free up RAM on your phone and reduce lag on it.