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Looks like the Sensation is going back

It's sad to say that the Sensation is far from Sensational.
Today I've probably used the phone the most out of the 4 days I've had it and it's been issue after issue.
Firstly, I added some more music to the phone, it refused to group the albums properly. Reset the cache and this caused all sound alerts and notifications to go haywire, resetting them to random tracks from my music collection.
Secondly, after resetting the ID3 tags several times with different software I'm now left with my music completely fragmented, the worst is an album of 42 tracks which the phone displays as 28 separate albums of the same name.
Also, I've been experiencing a lot of signal dropouts today. (Other phone on same network sat next to it on full signal)
On top of this, numerous "little things", e.g. interface is slow and unresponsive compared to SGS and SGS2, battery life is pretty rubbish when doing anything but standby, many default Android software stripped out.
I called HTC support, they didn't even know what model the phone was from the IMEI and could not offer any assistance with any issues. I asked if there were any planned software updates and the response was, "you already have the latest Android software 2.3"
It's a real shame because the design of the phone and the screen are superb, but HTC's software is terrible.

This is why I'm waiting till it's rooted and unlocked. Custom ROMs always fix such issues.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
This is why I'm waiting till it's rooted and unlocked. Custom ROMs always fix such issues.
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With the new bootloader, it could never happen?

Initial units could be buggy. You may try replacing this.

Woov. "..but HTC's software is terrible"
I'm really suprised to see that comment for an HTC phone. HTC's good at software. At least that's how they're known in many years.
Sorry but these little issues could happen on first units. I'm sure HTC's gonna fix these issues wiith updates. Right now you can use different music player and home launcher. Hope you can solve them.

Philio25 said:
Secondly, after resetting the ID3 tags several times with different software I'm now left with my music completely fragmented, the worst is an album of 42 tracks which the phone displays as 28 separate albums of the same name.
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Aww, I hate it when that happens to my iTunes library
I don't know what you mean about the interface being slow and unresponsive though. Granted, I'm using Launcher Pro rather than the stock launcher (mainly because I like to have a 5x7 grid to play with) but when I was using stock it seemed pretty speedy to me. The rest of the phone is definitely lightning fast.
I've been pleased with the battery life too. It's beating what I used to get on my Nexus One, and that always seemed enough for me.
As for stripped out software, I wouldn't mind swapping back to the stock android messaging app. But I prefer the Sense contacts and dialler. Not sure what else has changed really
Anyway, sad to see you're not enjoying it like I am

try to pull up your music on your PC in a tag editing program & see if it's all different in there. I use mp3tag to edit all of my music to match perfectly.

Figure_desire said:
Woov. "..but HTC's software is terrible"
I'm really suprised to see that comment for an HTC phone. HTC's good at software. At least that's how they're known in many years.
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It reminds me of the Touch Pro 2, granted it was Windows which sucked ass, but HTC released the first version of the "full" Sense Skin as an update and it totally killed the phone. The software simply required power the hardware couldn't deliver.
To give you an example, I showed the phone to a guy on my dev team today who's not really very interested in phones. His first comment was "how come the Android UI isn't as smooth and fluid as the iPhone?" then I showed him the SGS running stock Gingerbread and he thought it was much smoother.
If you run this phone side by side with the Samsung devices, they piss all over it for UI speed and responsiveness, even the single core SGS1.

xnifex said:
try to pull up your music on your PC in a tag editing program & see if it's all different in there. I use this to edit all of my music to match perfectly.
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I've finally solved this one, it's due to the "Artist Album" tag which MUST be the same for all songs or HTC's player thinks they are in different albums.
Strange thing is this tag is not editable in any of my editors, but you can edit it via Windows Explorer.

The fact you mentioned the letters s g s and the number 2 ensures this thread will soon descend to fanboy central......
Regards.

lynxboy said:
The fact you mentioned the letters s g s and the number 2 ensures this thread will soon descend to fanboy central......
Regards.
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Damn, what happened to the good old days when that would only happen when someone mentioned "I" and "Phone" in the same sentence.

Philio25 said:
It reminds me of the Touch Pro 2, granted it was Windows which sucked ass, but HTC released the first version of the "full" Sense Skin as an update and it totally killed the phone. The software simply required power the hardware couldn't deliver.
To give you an example, I showed the phone to a guy on my dev team today who's not really very interested in phones. His first comment was "how come the Android UI isn't as smooth and fluid as the iPhone?" then I showed him the SGS running stock Gingerbread and he thought it was much smoother.
If you run this phone side by side with the Samsung devices, they piss all over it for UI speed and responsiveness, even the single core SGS1.
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Agree with you. That's a fact.
According to earlier HTC phones everyone knows Sense UI isnt that smooth but it is pretty fast and stable. That's another fact. For me speed and stability is more important. If there is a problem with them and you're saying there is, I have a problem too. I'm sure HTC is gonna fix these things. Because dual core is new and Android 2.3 doesn't support it naturally. So it needs time. But you're right there shouldn't be any lag on dual core phone like this.

Op has to understand that bugs are usually associated with early adaptors. Wouldn't hurt to do a swap.
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intruda119 said:
Op has to understand that bugs are usually associated with early adaptors. Wouldn't hurt to do a swap.
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But wouldn't a new device have the same issues?

philio are you serious?
i have the tbolt, and i love my phone, but when looking at sensation's specs, it really does blow my bolt away..
however my gf is planning on getting the sensation when it releases.
My point of view is, that if your submerge into the root world, a little drops here and there shouldn't be a big deal, as we all know there will be updates to fix this, not to mention your phone is future proofed for the next two years..
everyone only focuses on the negative but never the positive.. i think the only other phone in the market that is better then the sensation is sgs2.. and thats not even close to being out in the US..
enjoy your 2.3 ginger bread, 3.0 sense.. Unlike you, the majority of us HTCers are now just starting to use the leaked 2.3 and its not completely reliable, as well as using work in progess 3.0 sense which is not a complete port.
consider yourself very lucky to be using an HTC with technology that the rest of us are still waiting on..
spread the love not the hate, because people will always find something to ***** about..

I've come from a galaxy s, even with gingerbread on it I still much prefer my sensation, sure there will be bugs, like any new release, but I find the sensation a lot more of a polished experience, I'm actually using a lot more features getting more out of android than I did on the galaxy s.

Philio25 said:
With the new bootloader, it could never happen?
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Oh yes it will, as some others with similar having already been cracked.
This game is nothing new and even before Android, HTC played this same game with WM devices and they would also get cracked.

Philio25 said:
If you run this phone side by side with the Samsung devices, they piss all over it for UI speed and responsiveness, even the single core SGS1.
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Being a SGS owner I really hope you're not saying the Sensation is as, or even more, laggy than a single core Galaxy S. That would be a huge disappointment.

Try mp3tag which is free and lets you edit all tags. Works for me

samnada said:
Being a SGS owner I really hope you're not saying the Sensation is as, or even more, laggy than a single core Galaxy S. That would be a huge disappointment.
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That is because he is comparing it to an SGS running AOSP Gingerbread which is completely tweaked in every way to optimize the ROM. Apples and oranges, apples and oranges. Imagine this phone with CM7 on it (which is what I'm sure his SGS is running). Can you say Sensation = M3, SGS = scooter?
Sucks it's not working out, but how you like a phone is ALL relative to what YOU like and feel about it.

bounty for he who gets real stock on this phone.

so, i'm done &%$#ing around with the crapware Samsung hacks onto their phones. I appreciate the work some of you guys have done with roms on this device, but the facts is its all just reskinned and modded versions of an android that's been made innately flawed. the Titanic's deck chairs have been beautifully rearranged, but it's still going down. case in point: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1286443
as such, i've decided to offer a bounty (that hopefully others can add a little here and there to) to he who first gets true stock android (minimum 2.2 or higher) running on this phone. i'm starting the bidding at $75, to be paid over paypal, or check in the mail or whatever. if you can make it 2.3, I'll throw in another $25.
terms: as stated, minimum 2.2, REAL stock, root, with the stock apps and nothing else. it must be fully functional and stable (and not just "well it's stable compared to X piece of crap" I mean nearly nexus stable.) I'll need to test it of course, I'm thinking for a week a week and a half or so. at that point, if I can determine that you've reasonably satisfied the terms, you win. the offer's up until/unless a comparable phone (min. 1ghz, real keyboard and all 4 real face buttons) is hacked to run true stock, or is officially released with stock, but it doesn't look like OEMs will get their heads far enough out for that very soon. also you have to be the first, although if someone beats you, but then you get a newer stock version on it under the above terms, you can still have the bonus, which I may increase. note there's also the issue of the Sidekick's Jump button. I imagine some will want it to be a search button, but I find that the trackball click works better for that, and I kind of like the Jump menu coming up with a list of all recently used apps. so I would like it if you could keep that function if possible, or something like it. EDIT I previously stated that my bounty was up to $200 if you can get ICS on the Sidekick with the Jump button launching the app switcher menu. However, the news just broke that ICS on the Galaxy Nexus has no USB mass storage support. I don't know if it's because ICS in general can't do it, will eventually be able to do it with an update, or because of a particular issue with that one phone. But I'm not going to tolerate a downgrade to iPhone level functionality, so the ICS bounty is only valid if it has USB storage working.
as stated above, I'd love to encourage the community to add to the pot as well, do that and we can really get this thing jump started. most recent bounty amount as of October 23, the community's pledges plus mine has increased the bounty to at least $155 (plus an unspecified amount from vicmora) for 2.2, and $255 for 2.3., and $380 for ICS (4.0) (with USB mass storage). also, an extra $25 in addition to all that from the86d if you give us the option of the dialer he wants (check post 12) *edit* btw guys, if you do want to add to the pot, please say how much, just so we can keep track for the devs.
*NOTE* to those who will say it can't be done, we don't have firmware leaks, blah blah blah: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yO2KQHkt4A in addition, some have even managed to install Android on the iPhone. if we can install Android on an iPhone, we can install Android on an Android phone. also, yesterday the Cyanogen team released 7.1, which works on a ridiculous amount of phones, including the laughably craptastic motorola backflip, which has a 528 MHz processor and was only upgraded officially to Android 2.1. now, if you scroll to the bottom of the page, you'll notice an icon, just below the message list, saying "Next Thread>>" please use this button to lead, follow, or get out of the way.

I'll throw in if it's true stock/gingerbread.
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I'll drop another $25 to the team, but I was told that this couldn't be done when I posted my bounty...
Vanirra... Mmmmmmmm.

I'll add to the pot. And it can definitely be done.
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I'm suprised that there's no cm7 kangs yet. Maybe this bounty will get things moving before someone renames the section to "Lack of development."
Sent from a toaster.

A cm7 kang would require a kangable kernel. Which as of yet has not happened.
All the AOSP/CM7/non-samsung-junkware ports require getting a 2.6.35.x kernel to run on the Sidekick, which is difficult, as there has been no source released for the processor type that is within the Sidekick. I was talking with the devs who managed to hack the hell out of the SGS4G to get MIUI running on it, and they had said they would upload their source when they get the kinks worked out, which would make it possible to build for the Sidekick (same processor type).
For those who are about to go look for one of the leak threads in the SGS4g section, we need real source, not a compiled kernel, but the kernel source, so that would not work.

I see we have three additional donors, that's good progress. any way we can sticky this? I don't know who's in charge of that here.
P.S. if you want to throw in, make sure to post how much you're willing to add, that way we can keep track. if the three of you are each adding $25 as I assume, that puts us up to $150, $175 if you can make it Gingerbread. keep it coming yall!

I will donate for the cause as well,, this phone is really pissing me off i might as well start looking for a new one if theres no significant advancement in development

$25.00 here for Gingerbread. I've already started looking for a new phone. If I have to be stuck on froyo then I don't want this phone.
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(Oh, the money I drop into Open Source related donations... hahahaaaaa)

Make mine 50$.
This would be a pretty nice phone if someone gave it some attention...
Ps, I will be able to donate that cash end of the month .
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Actually if "Back" in Contacts doesn't hit the home screen after a contacts search, but brings you back to a clear contacts search like every other device I have owned, AND if contacts is "Cyanogen-Style" integrated into the dialer, I will drop $50 at the end of the month, not $25... Small price to pay for helping make the world better for so many people.

Just use "Dialer One" (free in Market). On launch you get a dial-pad and your call history on top. To dial anyone I just type 3 (or more) letters of their name or number.
I can dial Ryan McCormick by typing RY (79), MCC (622), or even ORM (676). Any 3 consecutive letters (or numbers) that appear in their name or phone #, and I have a list of 1 or more matches at the top. Click one and you are dialing. I never scroll at all when dialing anyone, and I have over 500 contacts. 3 letters almost always gets who ever you want on the top of the list (use 4 or 5 if not, these are big num-pad T9 characters, not a full keyboard).
Settings: Black Theme, Disable Action Bar, Call by Clicking, Hide the Dial Button, Disable Swipe (speed-dial/contacts pages are useless when you can just smartdial any contact instantly... unless you like scrolling to decide who you should call).

Tried it for a (pre-)beta of Gingerclone V2, and hated it.
Vanilla(CM, OG Droid) was the most efficient, and logical.

Check out how much RAM that Dialer One app is eating up with it's background service... My review in the market got deleted, but the fact remains.
Your Sidekick doesn't have a generous amount of memory to begin with. You can't afford to have a huge list of services eating your device's memory. I remember Dialer One was the most resource hungry dialer replacement I have tested.
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(The bastages at Samsung try to use every bit of the CPU cycles, and TouchWiz has major memory leaks or something on every thing they make. I wish all these MFRs of phones would just make a good phone running Vanilla (Nexus K?) with a big keyboard w/ dedicated number and cursor keys (up, down, left, right), 4" screen, dedicated numbers, and no stupid memory leaking tie-in to a crappy modded interface! I don't even need a dual core processor.
"None" of this would have to happen. But that would be an Epic 4g running cyanogen with T-mobile's 4g service... and coverage.)

orange808 said:
Check out how much RAM that Dialer One app is eating up with it's background service... My review in the market got deleted, but the fact remains.
Your Sidekick doesn't have a generous amount of memory to begin with. You can't afford to have a huge list of services eating your device's memory. I remember Dialer One was the most resource hungry dialer replacement I have tested.
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So, I installed multiple process/service managers to try to figure out what you are talking about, but on my phone, Dialer One doesn't have a background service at all. It shows when you run it. If you press back to exit it, it is gone and uses no memory at all.
My services are as follows:
G+ - CloudSyncWatcher
Maps - NetworkLocationService
GoogleVoice - CallLogService, UpdateService
FaceBook - UploadManager
Music - DownloadManager, ArtDownloadService
Google Services Framework - Google Messaging Service
SNS - SnsService
Device Managment - DMSService
DRM Content - OmaDrmConfigService
News and Weather - GenieRefreshService
Light Flow - MainRunningService
AppStore
SwiftKey X - KeyboardService
I always have about 60MB available memory, my phone runs smooth as butter, and my battery lasts 30hours on WiFi (10 on 4G).
The defaults for DialerOne suck (like most apps). Configure it properly and it is the only Dialer I have ever found (tested about 10 a year ago, plus tried many stock dialers on many phones including older CM builds) that properly allows you to easily dial anyone you have recently talked to (call log on home-screen), and easily find anyone in a huge address book (3 keys on the 0-9 num pad finds all results in firstname/lastname/number and lists them in order of recently called).
All other dialers I have tested do not work properly. If you want to call Joe Smith at (800)555-1212, I should be able to type "JOE", "SMI", "800", or "555" and see him in a scrollable list (no drop-down) ordered by last called (with at least 3 choices visible without scrolling). Almost no one else does that properly. The few that do sort alphabetically instead of by Call-History order. If there is a Free alternative to DialerOne that works properly and people prefer, please tell me and I will give it a try.
FYI: That's how the stock dialer on Windows Mobile 5.x/6.x always worked for over a decade (as well as many old flip-phones). Why default Android, iPhone, and others don't do proper "Smart-Dial" without an app like DialerOne is beyond me.

On topic: The OP should update the first post with all the pledge amounts.
Sorry to keep being OT, but I wanted to respond to this one too...
the86d said:
(The bastages at Samsung try to use every bit of the CPU cycles, and TouchWiz has major memory leaks or something on every thing they make. I wish all these MFRs of phones would just make a good phone running Vanilla (Nexus K?) with a big keyboard w/ dedicated number and cursor keys (up, down, left, right), 4" screen, dedicated numbers, and no stupid memory leaking tie-in to a crappy modded interface! I don't even need a dual core processor.
"None" of this would have to happen. But that would be an Epic 4g running cyanogen with T-mobile's 4g service... and coverage.)
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Amen to that... 5-row with arrow-keys is what I want too. However, my mom has the Epic 4G, and even with the CM rom and the huge battery (making the phone 0.8inch thick), my SideKick still has way better battery life, and the keyboard feels much better (Epic's keys are flat and too close to each other causing typos). If the SideKick 4G just had a little bigger edge-to-edge screen, a better camera /w flash, and arrow-keys (and maybe a dual-core), it would be the perfect phone. I love the raised edges (the G1 had one raised edge, and no other sliders do). Plus the Epic has touch-function-keys that you can't even see when the LED behind them is off. I really like the hard buttons, especially for Back (and I've come to love the 2 on top, 2 on bottom layout of function-keys on the SK4G too).
I wonder if someone could mod our keyboard for arrow keys... right-shift = right, mic = down, ? = left, = up. (plus Alt-. = ? so we don't lose that)

Do we have any progress as of yet?
Is this a dead (w)hor(s)e we are beating?

Not even one person with an update?

One S - do you guys have the same multi-tasking issue as the One X?

Hey guys,
I've used a lot of Sense 4 ROMs on my Sensation, and back in February or March I remember saying to someone "you know, it seems like even though Sense 4 uses less RAM, all my recent apps have to reload like I'm on my old iPhone".
At that, the whole thread yelled at me and called me stupid, but we now know Sense 4's memory limits were drastically altered by HTC for better battery life and Sense performance.
So my question is, as somebody considering the One S, have you guys had similar problems with not being able to keep many recent apps in memory? And if you've found a way to solve this... does Sense 4 slow right down?
Just curious as I might buy one (hopefully the S4 version even though I'm in Asia, fak you HTC) in the next few weeks but couldn't live with the constant redraws and inability to go from messaging to browser and back without the browser refreshing
Cheers!

Sense 4 is great, However, Its a massive RAM hog and has this tendency to reload itself whenever it gets the chance.
Multitasking is pretty impossible. Not sure what HTC did here but its down right ridiculous !! we have one of the best processors on the market, Combined with a massive amount of RAM (for a phone) and we cannot multi-task.
This is a major error and im hoping now the kernel source code is out, that some kernel tweaks will help defeat this issue.

Doesn't bother me. Behaves pretty much the same as my Sensation did on any ROM (Sense 3.6/4 or de-Sensed).

Definitely same problem on t-mobile (with just the stock ROM). Multitasking is basically non-existant, despite having, in general, 200 MB of ram free.
edit: not trying to imply being on t-mobile has anything to do with it, just specifying its the US version

I am definitely having major multi-tasking problems. It is terrible, much worse than Sensation, possibly worse than G1. I am probably gonna return mine and get the T-Mobile GSIII.
I just got the update, and it seems like it might be *slightly* better. Then again, it could be my imagination.

Is it any better with custom roms or is it all kernel source related?

The multitasking experience on the stock un-rooted rom was utterly innexistant on my part. Ie: Google reader > Read big article in Firefox (B) Browser > Return to Reader but it has to reload because it was closed. The built-in task manager rarely reported more than 150mb on my device and it acted like it refused to use the last 100mb. With a custom ROM and tweaks (mainly if you disable the Sense launcher/widgets), I rarely see app reload in short time use. Don't expect to see open your app you closed the day before tho.
You could wait to use CM9 and have twice more free RAM but notice that you will loose the device's special features like ImageSense, Beats (and SRS/Dolby), native DLNA, native Dropbox and other online services, etc...

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The multitasking experience on the stock un-rooted rom was utterly innexistant on my part. Ie: Google reader > Read big article in Firefox (B) Browser > Return to Reader but it has to reload because it was closed. The built-in task manager rarely reported more than 150mb on my device and it acted like it refused to use the last 100mb. With a custom ROM and tweaks (mainly if you disable the Sense launcher/widgets), I rarely see app reload in short time use. Don't expect to see open your app you closed the day before tho.
You could wait to use CM9 and have twice more free RAM but notice that you will loose the device's special features like ImageSense, Beats (and SRS/Dolby), native DLNA, native Dropbox and other online services, etc...
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Are you happy, overall, with the device?
Coming from an LG G2x.

[Q] Radical slowdown after installing ICS on HTC Desire S

Hi guys,
sorry, if this has been answered before, however, I did not find an exact answer to my problem anywhere so far.
That problem is, that I've been facing a serious slowdown on my Desire S lately. In September, when official ICS came out for this phone, after the installation I was very happy with the upgrading: the system was very fast without any delays, had a very quick response, I would say, it was faster then Gingerbread.
But some weeks later (obviously after istalling some apps) it has become "lazy" in some cases, had not so quick response anymore, but still was Ok. However, the situation got worse and worse, and now practically every action takes seconds to start/run, ex. opening call history/recent calls, messages (often more than 10 seconds to open), camera (usually 7-8 seconds). Another strange thing is, that when somebody calls me, I have to wait usually 2-3 second after accepting a call in order to be heard, of when I receive a message, first the phone vibrates and 1-2 seconds later comes just the notification sound. Not to mention, that the Sense interface almost never reacts smoothly.
Sometimes it has better days, but sometimes it completely makes me mad. Anyway, it's a significant slowdown compering to Gingerbread or what I have used to regarding this phone.
Some background info:
Internal memory "All applications" option: 335MB used, 799MB free
"Running" option: 495MB used, 100 MB free
SD card: 7GB used, 426MB free
Quadrant Standard measurements: Total: 1392, CPU:2282, Mem: 808, I/O: 2659, 2D:100, 3D: 1109
- I don't really know, whether these numbers are good or not, but at least could be compared to another Desire S results with ICS.
So first I would like to know, whether somebody else is facing the same issue as well, and on the other hand I would be more than happy, If someone could tell me, what could cause the problem, or what to try that might be helpful. Every idea would be highly appreciated.
Thanks a lot in advance!
ps: I was thinking about installing some custom ROM, but I'm a bit afraid, that I could "brick" my phone, and on the other hand I did not really find a usable step by step instruction, how to root a Desire S with hboot version 2.00.002.

Installing a custom rom won't brick youre phone. Unless you dont know what your doing or youre messing with it. But i had the same problem to on official update of ICS after that i decided to install an ICS custom rom.... And never had problems too. Iam using ICE DS rom. for about 3 a 4 weeks it's a fine rom. But because i like play heavy games i decided to use shadowhawk rom sense 3.0. But i've tried every single ICS 3.6 rom of Desire s. And i had never some slowdowns on ICE DS. Its a great allrounder with a Nice interface. Just try a custom rom.
Every rom had its benefits. And its disadvantage
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Why don't you try and free some decent size, say around 1 GB on the card. I suspect you may have moved some apps to sd and they may be finding it difficult to run.
Since initially your phone was ok with the updated system.
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ICS rom has worse multitasking, apps are killed even when 150MB ram is free

S4, Stock and no stuttering settings

This is what I did to get my S4 (tested on 3 phones) running stock ROM without any stuttering.
Phones/Network: 1 Koodo unlocked on Bell Network, 1 Telus running on Telus, 1 Bell running on Bell.
Root: All phones rooted
Network: LTE disabled, search for Wi-Fi Disabled
Removed or Frozen apps with Titanium Backup (paid version)
Chaton - Frozen
City Video - Frozen
Commande Blurb - Frozen
Courriel - I suppose this is the basic email samsung app but with a french name - Frozen (I Use K-9)
EpsonPrintService - Frozen
GPS Navigator - Frozen
HP Print Service - Frozen
Knox Store - Frozen
Polaris Office - Frozen
S Calendar - Frozen
S Memo - Frozen
S Note Provider - Frozen
S Traducteur(probably S Translate for most of you) - Frozen
S Voice - Frozen
Samsung Apps - Frozen
Samsung Apps Widget - Frozen
Samsung books - Frozen
Samsung Games - Frozen
Samsung Hub - Frozen
Samsung Knox - Frozen
Samsung Learning - Frozen
Samsun Link - Frozen
Samsung Watchon - Frozen
Samsung hubupdater - Frozen
TalkBack - Frozen
I also removed all third party apps like these:
Google apps: Removed (Books, music, movie, etc), I kept Play, Maps, Gmail and Search
All Yahoo apps - Removed
Flipboard - Removed
Facebook - Removed
Twitter - Removed
All crappy S4 features (eyes, movement/gestures, etc) are turned OFF
I run S-Health 24/24
I only kept 1 app from Bell, the one giving me informations about what I used (data plan and voice plan)
I dont know anything about making custom ROMs. Those settings give me a great Android experience with my S4. I have no explanation regarding why I froze or removed those apps.
I tried 2 of the most popular ROMs on XDA an none of them could match my stock settings (except for battery life, it was a little better than what I had with my settings using Goldeneye and a custom kernel).
Background:
Programmer (and teacher)
Network Admin (Linux and Microsoft)
Technician
My point: Those who experience lag/stuttering should look deeper into Touch Wiz. The worst experience I ever had with my S4 was with a highly popular ROM on XDA. It was suppose to be fast. Well, it wasnt for me and a few others.

Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.

atari800 said:
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.

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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Huh?
Freezing an APP wont make the GS4 faster - that I agree with
and I think what you meant to say was:
Freezing the apps because they are using up battery (juice?) - right?
If that is what you were saying then that doesnt make sense. That assumes that the more dormant applications on your phone, the shorter the battery life.
If I take out my battery and keep it out for an hour, a day, a week...and plug it back in I have the same apps.
I have the same apps regardless of power.

Is not about having a Faster phone is about having NO LAG. Even the faster ROM in this site lags sometimes. It is fast as hell, but you do get the occasional Lag.... The only way to have a Lag free experience in the S4 is by using the Google Edition rom.

What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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I hear you my Brother i got 2 SG4 And the one, That's AT&T Stock Rom Odexed the way it came no lag at all and That's Stock one, The other is on My Deadly Venom SG4 which i still haven't released Deodex still working more stuff before i release it here and no type of lag at all so i'm with you on this one!:good:

Here's more apps to freeze if interested as posted from verizon s4 section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42351535#post42351535

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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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Really? You're going to report people who complain about the thing that literarily THOUSANDS of people complain about and that you still think is 'fake'? Every web site that I've read of people who were die hard iPhone users and finally switched to Android always mention that ONLY the Nexus/Google Edition phone did that for them. All others with their proprietary frameworks/skins were too laggy/slow compared to the iPhone.
So no, there is definitely 'unreasonable' lag.
There are two issues though, 1) people misuse the word lag 2) people are not all the same. Some are fine with 30fps being the minimum they need for smooth gameplay in games, some need 60fps 3) some don't know what to look for/have never experienced a 'no lag' device and thing that lag is normal
For me, I see it. Everything but an AOSP rom is too laggy for me.
There's not just lag as a problem. Also stutters are a problem as TW eats up so much ram sometimes that games sometimes need to start swapping (obviously very graphically intense games and only after 10+ minutes of gameplay)
So relax.

Doesn't disabling apps without root do the same as freezing with tb
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I am still looking for a lag
I just googled "samsung galaxy lag" and it seems that the billionth of a second delay from open an app and going to the home screen is the issue. And doing it a million times in a row. Really? Is that it?
My goodness I am looking for applications that stutter or dialing a telephone number and the digits are sticking or an application partially opening- a delay of a second or 2- then it finishing loading
If this is what THOUSANDS of people are complaining about they have way too much time on their hands. That is just like complaining about how fast a toilet flushes.
Wow no wonder I didnt notice it. I was looking THROUGH the issue
I am happy with what I got - its fast, I can call people, I can play a game while waiting for a beer, I can take a picture of boobs, I can text people, and I can get directions. The phone accomplishes what I want it to do

Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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It's a non issue to you. Fine, move on. Don't even click on threads that mention the word lag.
It's a huge issue to others. You guys seem to fail to notice my comparison to iPhone and it's smoothness. iPhone is still ahead of Android in terms of UI smoothness. So yes these are phones and not super computers. But the iPhone can be smoothers with half the ram, so no, the S4 nor any other android gets a pass because it's "just a phone"
Likewise nobody is mentioning a millionth of a second delay as the issue. Atari you threw those numbers out. I see a 1 second to 2 second delays sometimes when I swipe app drawers. When I wake my phone is takes 2-3 seconds for the samsung clock widget to update.
Likewise there is stutter in games. AOSP roms don't have it, stock TW has it. I imagine it's the fact that TW uses double the RAM that an AOSP rom uses (1.2gb vs 600mb on my AOSP) which obviously is 600mb less for the app to have. That is just BLOATWARE. Horrible ineffecient bloated programming. There is no excuse for a PHONE with TWO GB of RAM in 2013 to have issues with running out of RAM.

With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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I am a first time android phone user, coming from 7+ years of i phones and I can honestly say that I have not noticed a "lag" or difference in smoothness coming from i phones. I am loving the S4 and can't see myself going back to an i phone.
Just my experience, you would think from reading some of these threads that ALL of the S4's are "laggy" or slow....just wanted to give my experience with it, it may be different for others.

iOS (any version) has a custom build for each device. You cannot take the iOS 6.13 for iPhone 5 and apply it on an iPad 3. They each have their own builds that exploit each devices capabilities to the maximum. Android on the other hand has 1 core OS build that each manufacturer either tweaks or adds bloat ware or whatever .... And there in lies the problem.
Sure SOMEONE could make a custom build for a SG4 that is specifically tweaks for the quad core CPU, it's ram, disk size/speed, etc. and make it run like water but take that same image a plop it on another phone and that performance is gone.
Now I can honestly say I don't have a1 second delay or a 2-3 delay anywhere, with exception to a game that is loading and those usually have a progress bar showing that there is activity.
Trying to help here - could it be that your lag is caused by the removal of 1 too many "bloat wares"? Possibly something is required or expected and you lag is just a timeout waiting for "program x" to respond???

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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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That's not your place. Deflate your ego. Ever heard of freedom of speech? It works like this; you seek out what you DO want and filter what you do NOT want. I
If you disagree that's cool bro. Stfu and go cry to your mom about it. Reporting threads will only make you a bigger ass, considering they're not breaking any forum or moral rules.

When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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If your S4 does not lag then you have some special S4 or something or you just have never used an AOSP rom before. After coming back from pure AOSP the stutters become very apparent. Opening apps isn't the problem as they open up very fast (don't know why people say that) but its the stuttering in the launcher and the apps and stuff. Like when you switch to the widgets in the touchwizz drawer. It takes time and it stutters like a mofo. I had the HTC One and that is a phone that doesn't stutter at all when going through the app drawer and home screens. It also eat up like 900mb of RAM and has terrible battery life (I'm coming from AOSP Which has crazy battery life)...
If you have ever tried a AOSP Rom like Slimbean you should know what a smooth phone looks like. Anyways the S4 is still an Amazing phone that has really crazy features that no other phone has. If you dont mind the little Stutters all over the place then good for you :laugh: but if you're like me who doesn't understand How a S600 quad-core CPU lags then I don't know what to say. Just my 2 cents, don't want to be offending in any way
Have a good day :laugh:

I have had multiple devices and used every kind of ROM out there. I prefer TW on my Samsung devices and I prefer AOSP and the likes on HTC devices. Sense is horrible to me. I do like AOSP and similar ROMs because they are smooth and quick, but are boring after awhile. The reason I prefer TW is because it integrates features perfectly and the camera is much better as well. I have no actual problems with my phone on TW because I have taken the time to tweak and fine tune my system to perform with speed and conserve battery life. I can get 3 days on a full battery with moderate usage and get fairly high benchmark scores. Some of these people that complain are too lazy to even take basic steps to prevent issues. I go to varying extremes to make my stuff function how I want it to.
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