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[Q] What features are desired from CM6/7

As I was working on trying to port CM6/CM7, I realized that it is much more time effective for me to port the tweaks involved with CM6/7, rather than trying to actually port the whole thing. So with that in mind, what tweaks/aspects of CM6/7 do people like/would like to see on our phone?
Bear in mind that because CM7 is GingerBread, so although I will try my best, I can't promise that features from CM7 are portable. CM6 features should be portable, but I *promise* nothing, and will try my best otherwise.
Currently working on
An extra menu in settings to control all this crap
REQUESTS
:LED Settings that are actually helpful/useful (pending)
:Camera on Low Bat (pending)
:Customizable Power Notification (pending)
Requests that probably aren't going to happen
CM7 (until a GB source release from Samsung for our phone or a very generous donation that gives me a reason to spend a month porting a kernel)
CM7 Theme Support (built on the GB API, all themes are Gingerbread minimum API anyways).
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i think the lockscreen gestures would be awesome
theme support would be cool ( dont know if thats possible)
led settings would be nice

I mentioned this to you before, but I thought i'd post here and see if anyone else responds: how about an optional flashable tweak, if possible, for those who want to be able to use their camera on low battery and don't want their screen dimmed and keyboard blacked out. (I know you can brighten the screen on low batt., but you have to do it every time after waking the phone from sleep). I believe on CM7 the phone simply functions normally until the battery dies.

I'll definitely look at the battery tweaks as that should be fairly easy to find, as for the theme manager, the issue is that its built from the GB API, as are all the themes. So even if the theme manager were ported, none of the themes would install as they would require a higher OS version

Customizable notification power control bar. What we have is decent enough. But I always liked that about CM series, being able to customize.
Touchwiz power control is good enough so no need to put this as a high-demand feature.

Are you still working on porting CM? I'd rather wait for CM than just flash tweaks every now and then.

I agree instead of porting u should at least try port cm6 which is froyo that would be awesome till we get a gingerbread kernel leak which krylon is looking into
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Porting CM6 will take me at least another month. That's what I was working on the past 2 weeks, but its all the same problem. CM6 and CM7 both require a ported kernel (2.6.35), which is very tedious and frustrating given the parts that were added to our phone.

Yea I saw that when I was looking into it I'm trying to get in contact with a samsung team on xda see if the help us out to get this ported
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What I'm saying with this thread is, we can essentially build CM6 on our phones, without the official title and all the extra work in porting a kernel, if we just build the parts in that make CM6 different from stock.
So that's my goal, to add enough parts to this that it will be similar to CM6 in functionality.

That's a great idea I just don't know what we can use lol
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The way I see it, although I love CM and would love to see it on this phone just as much as the next guy, I don't see a whole ton of stuff that's in CM that's not in our stuff already. So if I can focus on the things that people actually use from CM, I can build things that people want in CM, rather than trying to build CM.

sduvick said:
The way I see it, although I love CM and would love to see it on this phone just as much as the next guy, I don't see a whole ton of stuff that's in CM that's not in our stuff already. So if I can focus on the things that people actually use from CM, I can build things that people want in CM, rather than trying to build CM.
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Makes sense, considering you're the only one working on it, that I've heard. If it takes time to port a whole thing over, why not cut time down and just port that parts you love about CM.
Honestly, with the work you and ayoteddy have been doing for our phones, Cyanogen isn't a big deal to me. I mean, this may be off-topic, but the only things I do want are to completely eliminate that keyboard lag and to keep the keyboard backlight lit whenever open. Other than that, you guys have tweaked and optimized the phone so much already.

I haven't seen any keyboard lag, where do you see this? I'll look at the keyboard backlight thing shortly, currently working on an extra menu in settings to control all the tweaks I'm adding.
I'll also add a requests list to the OP shortly. EDIT: added.

When typing quickly some inputs may skip. I read the Samsung Epic had the same problem. That phone had a fix for the keyboard lag.

badboi_zero said:
When typing quickly some inputs may skip. I read the Samsung Epic had the same problem. That phone had a fix for the keyboard lag.
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Ahhh! So it happens to others too. i thought i just was messing up..i was like..i never messed up before. yess, this happens to me too and it sucks. makes uo type ike tis. (missing letters, but not that frequent)

Yeah. Just like that. It's worse when you're typing on an app that uses more resources, like typing on a web browser on an html page. Or when the facebook app is refreshing the feed while you type a status.

I contacted the developer who made the keyboard patch for the Epic(he really fixed the problem up good on that device!). he made a similar patch for us, for the Sidekick, I've just been too half-assed about learning how to apply the patch to our kernel, lol.
you guys can read what he wrote and find the patch he made us here, at the end of the thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=975611
apparently, our phone shouldn't suffer nearly as bad as the Epic, but he still made us a patch to make our keypad timer delay configurable by the user!
Edit: for some reason, the letter that skips the most on my phone is the "y", haha.

I don't know much about CM, but I'd really love the option to use landscape software keyboards. I am astonished that DSamsung actually chose to BLOCK THE FEATURE, een if we PAY to download a non stock keyboard.

The keyboard fix for the epic won't work for the Sidekick, because the change that was made to fix the epic issue was already there from Samsung

Some questions about my new HTC One S

Hello everyone. I have recently purchased an HTC One S, and I have found this issues about it, let´s see of they have some solution:
-Very few free Ram. After starting it, I only have 200 MB free Ram. Is it normal?, Can it be increased?, Am I going to have problems running some ram demanding games?, For the moment, I have run shadow gun and it works flawlessly. It is strange mostly when you see that a Desire has the same amount of free ram, having only a total of 512 MB, One S has 1 GB, where did it go?, other phones with 1 GB of Ram have 400 MB or more free ram, like xperia S, Galaxy S and so on... Is it a problem of ICS, Sense, or both?....
-The launcher keeps reloading for some seconds after running some big apps, like games, internet heavy pages and things like that. It seems that the system runs out of memory, maybe because of the first issue, and unloads the sense launcher. Can it be avoid someway, without having to root or to install custom roms?
-Calendar: let´s see if I can explain this one. We have a setting that marks the amount of minutes that we want the phone to notify us of an event in the calendar. Let´s say we have 15 minutes. Then If I create an event at 10:00 for instance, the phone will notify me at 9:45, ok?, the problem is about the postpone option. When I choose to postpone, it won´t notify me again. The problem is that the phone won´t notify you again when the real time of the event comes. The phone has a time to notify you again after having postponed of 15 minutes, so if you have the delay of the event set to 15 minutes, it would notify you 15 minutes later if you postpone it, but then the real time will be over, so it doesn´t notify you. The only way that it can notify you after postponing is to set the delay at 30 minutes or more, then if you pospone it, after 15 minutes it will advise you again.
This was different in other phones, and better from my point of view. In Diamond it was set to 5 minutes between postpones.. HD2 was 1 minute, and desire is 10 minutes. So, do you know an easy way to change this so I can be notified 5 minutes later after posponing an event?.
-Memory Android control behavior, I mean, multitasking is almost non-existent. You can go home from some apps, but sometimes the SO closes them without telling you anything, so when you go back to them, you don´t go to the point where you left it. For example, I open the manual of HTC One S in PDF, I start reading it, pass some pages, then go home and do some other tasks, when I come back to the manual, I am not taken to the last page I was in. The same with some games and other apps. Gladdly it does not seem to be happening with word or other apps that have an open and edited file, fortunatly....
Well, these are the main problems I see about the phone. The other things are great, apart from the micro arc oxidation problem that I see unacceptable, but this is another subject different from software ones..... It is a pity it has these issues, because the phone is the best one in the market right now, in my opinion, the camera is fast and great, the screen is britght and sharp....
Best regards.

Any ideas or help about any of these problems?.
Best regards.

O man, this post is really long. Lol. Ill bookmark it and read tomorrow - try to offer some help
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maybe all that has to do with the small amount of memory available for the phone to use.
i too had only about 170Mb available ram with no apps running except a battery and the usual HTC sense. I was getting similar symptoms as you do, and i suspect that the phone may be closing your apps to allow htc sense to keep on running smoothly. I cannot find an answer to that though. i sold mine for various reasons

So referring to problems 1,2 and 4... that is normal and all due to the internal management of free ram. I read somewhere in the settings that 90mbyte is the ram the system should keep free. so basically you have 80 mb of free ram (starting from 170MB total free space which is normal) before the systems start to close apps in the background. Using ram hungry apps will fill this up fast and therefore close other apps or even close sense. I to think that the HOS is a little bit harsh on closing apps...
If you install one of the ICS Ports (Miui, CM9, AOKP) you have around 400 mb free ram. So basically it is Sense which is eating your space. And to answer your last question without rooting and using a custom rom there is nothing you can change about those things.

One X users have the same issues with multitasking, and HTC official answer is that they tweaked ICS memory management for a "good sense experience"...
So, it seems that despite being toned down visually and being incredibly improved, Sense 4.0 is still having the ethernal same issue of ressourse hog... =\

So as you all say, it is quite sure that the problem is with sense. They say that they do this in order to have a "good sense experience", but I don´t see a "good sense experience" to have th sense continously reloading, grrrrr.......
Anyway.... let´s hope they solve this with an update or something, maybe we should all write htc to make presure so they solve this, don´t you think?.
What can you tell about point 3?, did you experience it too?.
Best regards.

no multitasking on t-mo
See thread "where is multitasking". The problem is with sense. Non T-mo devices received update that fixed this. T-mobile device still have this problem and since it is up to the carrier, not HTC, we might get update in months
This issue with killing application in the background just minutes you were out of of it is insane. None of the tech review website caught this in their 5 pages reviews a month ago. People just now are finding these issues.
I am patiently waiting for CM9 Beta or official release to install it. I have used sense for a month now and it is a struggle, there are so many issues, including the one with patents for "association" where you open a link for a video and loads in a browser instead of the app, and is not just with videos.
Honestly if I knew there so many "little" issues I would hold my problem free Google Nexus One sacrificing only 3G vs 4G and lower processor speed.
Sense is not as productive as Stock Android.

So you mean that there is already an update for One series?, I don´t see any update download in the web page of HTC. Mine is orange, hope they will release it soon. This thing about apps closing and sense reloading is starting to anoy me. As you say, no review talked about this when they released them.
Another issue that anoys me a lot is that when you have a long queue of songs in the music player, it doesn´t remember the song you where playing after been several hours without using it. This didn´t happen to me in the whole lot of mobiles I had, diamond, hd2, and even old nokias......
This phone is asking for an update urgently, I am afraid..... I don´t say that I wouldn´t have bought it if I knew all this, but I would have thought it better....
Best regards.
sharkoparko said:
See thread "where is multitasking". The problem is with sense. Non T-mo devices received update that fixed this. T-mobile device still have this problem and since it is up to the carrier, not HTC, we might get update in months
This issue with killing application in the background just minutes you were out of of it is insane. None of the tech review website caught this in their 5 pages reviews a month ago. People just now are finding these issues.
I am patiently waiting for CM9 Beta or official release to install it. I have used sense for a month now and it is a struggle, there are so many issues, including the one with patents for "association" where you open a link for a video and loads in a browser instead of the app, and is not just with videos.
Honestly if I knew there so many "little" issues I would hold my problem free Google Nexus One sacrificing only 3G vs 4G and lower processor speed.
Sense is not as productive as Stock Android.
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Yes, people with non carrier branded phones reported updates on engadget.com. T-mobile, Orange, etc will get it months down the road. Me, not happy with this. The development community is asking for kernel code to fix a custom rom, like CM9 and fix these issues for good. I suggest, add HTC USA, HTC UK, HTC world on facebook and post a comment about kernel release code, update, etc. in a kindly manner. They do respond, at least to me. Email them thru HTCdev.com also.
DrJ76 said:
So you mean that there is already an update for One series?, I don´t see any update download in the web page of HTC. Mine is orange, hope they will release it soon. This thing about apps closing and sense reloading is starting to anoy me. As you say, no review talked about this when they released them.
Another issue that anoys me a lot is that when you have a long queue of songs in the music player, it doesn´t remember the song you where playing after been several hours without using it. This didn´t happen to me in the whole lot of mobiles I had, diamond, hd2, and even old nokias......
This phone is asking for an update urgently, I am afraid..... I don´t say that I wouldn´t have bought it if I knew all this, but I would have thought it better....
Best regards.
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Do you know the improvements that the update will have?, you say that multitasking would be fixed, what about the sense reloading problem?.
Do you know if the update will delete anything or it is safe to install it?.
Besst regards.
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Yes, people with non carrier branded phones reported updates on engadget.com. T-mobile, Orange, etc will get it months down the road. Me, not happy with this. The development community is asking for kernel code to fix a custom rom, like CM9 and fix these issues for good. I suggest, add HTC USA, HTC UK, HTC world on facebook and post a comment about kernel release code, update, etc. in a kindly manner. They do respond, at least to me. Email them thru HTCdev.com also.
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I have no idea how each wireless carrier will customize their version of the update. To my knowledge OTA updates for the last 2 1/2 years did not delete anything.
I am not developer or anyhting. I never installed a ROM etc, but I can't stand Sense and these carrier delays with OTA updates. I am coming from Google Nexus One -(HTC),purchased straight from google 2+ years ago, where updates were distributed months before the carriers got theirs if any. CM9 for ICS will get me closer to this pure android experience.
DrJ76 said:
Do you know the improvements that the update will have?, you say that multitasking would be fixed, what about the sense reloading problem?.
Do you know if the update will delete anything or it is safe to install it?.
Besst regards.
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Hello again. I have just installed the update from orange, 1.78.75.5, and this is my first impresion:
-2 new apps, daily motion, that basically has videos and trailers, and TV, which I am not able to use because is only for orange clients, and I am a movistar user, using my sim car in an free orange one S.
-Some new animated backgorunds, very ugly in my humble opinion.
-More free RAM, not many, but some more, after restarting I have 231 MB, but after moving through the different desktops and loading the widgets for SMS, contacts, favorites, galery and so on... I have 187 Mb of RAM, when before I had about 160 MB of RAM.
-The reloading of sense is still happening after playing with shadow gun, and I am not taken to the last position where I left it if I come back to it. Anyway, I assume that this game is too big, almost 160 MB of RAM, so I can live with it, I guess the reloads will be less frequent now. I have tried blood and glory, another big game, and press home button didn´t reload the sense, so I guess it is OK for me.
-I am not sure about this, but I have the impression that 3G is better now, I can browse the web near my home, when before the update I couldn´t.
Best regards and thanks for your support.

Why I Returned My HTC One S

I just returned my HTC One S under buyer's remorse for a number of reasons.
Severely Broken Multi-Tasking
As has been more publicized for the HTC One X, the memory management is so aggressive that you can barely multi-task at all. It's like the Generation 1 iPhone. Especially a killer, since one of my main uses cases is to listen to streaming NPR.
Signal Fluctuation Issues
I think the signal fluctuation issue was largely fixed by the recent update. Pre-update, sometimes I would spontaneously have no signal at all. Post-update, sometimes the signal drops precipitously for no reason at all, but hasn't gotten to the point of "X for no signal".
Bluetooth Spontaneously Disconnecting/Crashing
The bluetooth would spontaneously disconnect, pretty frequently--probably once every 2-3 hours of use. A couple of times I think it even caused the phone to re-boot. Again, since my #1 use case for my phone is voice calls for work (I know, who would have though, voice a primary usage for a smartphone! ), and my #2 is streaming NPR, this is a big problem.
Screen Size
I knew what I was getting, but I had really wanted a 4.6" widescreen (like GS2). I was willing to compromise on this, but it was a factor. Had I known T-Mobile would get the GS3 so promptly, I probably would have held out from Day 1.
Menu Button
For the many apps not updated to ICS, you lose quite a bit of space in portrait mode, due to the on-screen menu button. I know this isn't HTC's fault, they are following the Google spec, but it was a real bummer (and compounds the screen size compromise). I am thinking Samsung made a much better choice with the GS3 by going against Google's intent and including the menu button. Surprised this hasn't been discussed more, it is a real bummer.

It's all personal preference.
The multitasking issue has been greatly improved (some would argue fixed) over the stock settings. Signal issues could be a result of several things (location, firmware, hardware, etc.); likewise with the Bluetooth issues you mentioned. I am very pleased with the screen size and the portrait menu button doesn't bother me. Hopefully the GS3 (or whichever phone you are switching to) meets your needs.

WCCobra said:
The multitasking issue has been greatly improved (some would argue fixed) over the stock settings.
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how? i can't get One X multitasking fix scripts to run no matter what. i can edit the minfree values manually but they are getting reset on the next boot. the extreme values probably affect the overall performance too. are there some other methods to improve it?

What ROM are you using. Sounds like the init.d script is not running on boot.

The One S would really benefit from AOKP, CM9 or any AOSP based rom. But development is really stagnating. The community for this phone just suck and thats unfortunate cause it is a decent phone for the price.

wilcoholic said:
The One S would really benefit from AOKP, CM9 or any AOSP based rom. But development is really stagnating. The community for this phone just suck and thats unfortunate cause it is a decent phone for the price.
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I think development for this phone is going rather well. I think you should appreciate what the developers have already put out for us, its their time and they do it for free. You have an expectation which is just wrong.
We already have a CM9 and a MIUI rom, more will follow. You have to realise its still very early in the phones life.
Your options are to get a One X or SGS3 or deal with it. Alternatively you can build your own rom, I'm sure it will be great.

Ben is right stop being so ungrateful they use up their time and deliver awesome roms for free
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WCCobra
i triple checked everything. the boot.sh is properly modified, the init.d scripts have the right permissions. even if i execute the script manually the minfree values never change, they are always the same. like i said, at this point i'm not even sure if all other ROM scripts are being run and active. i'm on the latest TrickDroid currently but the same thing was happening on Zydroid as well. if you have any other tips regarding this issue please do share!

Are you sure there are not multiple init.d scripts running and conflicting with each other?
Can you move out all of the init.d scripts except the one running the minfree settings. Also, try adding a line to the script to have it create a file so you know it ran:
touch /sdcard/Download/test.txt
Do you mind posting screenshots of what you are seeing?

OP wanted a larger screen and really didn't matter about anything else. He decided he wanted GS3 and put a little blame on everyone else. Should have just waited a bit man no need in downing guys that are working hard and also loveing the S One. I have tons of devices and picked this one for my own reason and glad I did. Have very little problems with it at all. We have some great guys working doing a great job, and if you've been following one-x s-off. There real close and that's going to be good for us as well.
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WCCobra,
i tried to reboot with just the multitasking script inside init.d, it didn't create the test txt file. i'm not sure about the original TrickDroid scripts you see there though. when i rebooted without them the system behaved unstable so perhaps some of them do run? it's confusing to me.
the values in the minfree file from the screenshot are the original One S values that never change no matter what i run and how.

place the touch command in 01trickdroid

just tried that, no txt being created.

Check the locations. Your init.d scripts are all in /etc/init.d They should be in /system/etc/init.d
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I have a very splited opinion to the One S. I really do love this phone and i dont want to return it! But there are some issues which bother me. The HTC build quality is very impressive but all my HTC phones had a small defect.
HD2: i had to put a small piece of paper between the battery and the backcover to make it fit tight.
Desire: the vibration motor had a small disfunction.
One S: the glass is on the top left not glued accurately.
These are problems u can fix at HTC but they were not worth it to lose the phone for 2 weeks. There is the chipping problem on the black One S. The touch button issue. It seems like HTC tries to build a great quality phone but dont test it long enough.
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I know there are defects out there that's part of manufacturing. I'm just glad I got a good one. Also I still have my hd2 and use it everyday as a WiFi router in my truck. Even dropped it off a three story roof and busted the case and cracked the digitizer but keeps on going... Wished all phones were built that way
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Is there an official reason for the MT4G Slide not getting ICS/JB?

Hey all,
I am not a modder. I prefer my device to be stock as much as possible - I know, not very XDA-like. I am not averse to doing it if necessary.
TMo gave me the MT4G Slide as a replacement device for the MT4G which was having issues. It seems that neither phones are getting an ICS/JB update (as HTC hasn't mentioned it on their list of phones officially getting the update).
I'm curious as to any hardware constraints that the Doubleshot may have to have lead to this decision. Some folks have mentioned the amt. of storage being the issue, but seeing as how these devices contain a 4GB chip and HTC has been quoted saying that this unusable space is due to GB and Sense, is this reason validated? Would ICS+Sense be that much more huge vs. GB+Sense as to not be able to fit in that ~2.5GB of space?
This has probably been a very badly beaten dead horse, but I did a search and couldn't really find anything referenced here on XDA. I see there's some moment on CM9 for the phone...but ultimately I want to know why HTC can't put ICS/JB on the device. It's an important factor in deciding to either stay loyal to the brand or move on to something different. I realize that it's an OEM (TMo branded phone) and that it may be up to TMobile to get it updated, which I'm assuming they would under their "no phone left behind" promise...maybe I assume incorrectly? TMobile hasn't said a thing on the matter.
I may go ahead and put CM9 on it once it's gone 100% stable.
Thanks.

It's not that they CAN'T upgrade to ICS/JB. They WON'T, for just about any reason you can make up. T-Mobile or HTC have not given any official word as to why not, so it could be due to anything.
Possible reasons include:
-Custom MyTouch skin
-T-Mobile holding the update back
-Our phone is essentially a commercial flop. Probably why they're not supporting it. Consequently, we're not a big enough community to make a difference anyway.
-They simply want you to buy another phone.
There is no physical reason they won't do it. Our phone has nearly the same internals as the Sensation 4G. It's still a high spec phone and can handle anything. Hardware is not the problem here. It's the higher ups.

I would like to add that if you don't want to wait, TBalden's Virtuious Inquisition has always been a rock solid ICS ROM for me. NEVER a hiccup even though there have been a few complain of an issue or two. But it will most likely always be that way with any ROM.....even the official releases.
There are a couple of ICSs by UndeadK9 on Rootz Wiki too that are slick. Then there is MikMiui ICS that is soooo close it's scary! KWIM? You HAVE choices right now.

ICS natively doesn't support Hardware Keyboards. That's why our device is under review by HTC/T-Mobile. HTC is willing to push an update, but T-Mobile has it on hold. So it's T-Mobiles fault, not HTC. How do I know this? Worked places, and have numbers.
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Wow good topic I was just about to ask this because Ive been thinking about this for days now. Seeing the Galaxy 3 makes me crave that OS its really nice. I cant believe this phone flopped in the market its heaps good I love it, this with the droid look really solid with a slide out qwerty. So iffffff TMobile is holding out on the update is it possible that they will release it? or times gone by no chance of this? Im like the TC, Ive never modded a phone and dont know how to do it, but iffffffff I have to put ICS mod what is the best and closest to the real thing and is solid and does not have many bugs etc.? Like if this was your phone you are selling to the world which mod would you add to it? If TMob dont release one I might try attempting my first mod and if anyone can help me out with helpful links or pics as a walkthrough so I dont brick it much appreciated

As someone who spent a good deal of time with sense 4 I can say the only thing I miss from the mysense is the integrated visual voicemail. The positive changes out weighed the loss of the integrated vvm.
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Archangel, if you do decide you want to root your device this is a fairly new but extremely comprehensive, simple & straightforward guide that will give you every bit of info you need to do that. Should you run into a problem, just come back with some specific questions about that parts you don't understand and "we'll git 'er done".
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1801106
If I were to recommend an ICS ROM for you to cut your teeth on it would be TBalden's Virtuous Inquisition. http://www.virtuousrom.com/p/inquisition.html This one will let you see what you've been missing on your DS. Good Luck and have a BALL! :good:
If you're looking for a pared down, screaming fast & smooth version of your stock ROM.....MikTouch & BulletProof are VERY tough to beat. (both in the developers section) Just remember that any questions not directly related to a ROM function or issue should always go here in General.

What is the difference between the roms? Like compared to the Galaxy 3 does it have the slick icons that slide and glide easy from screen to screen? and I think its called the live wallpaper when you swipe left or right the image hovers? also kinda like that fish wallpaper they have that has the trickle effect is neat, I noticed the apps menus are different to the Mytouch and smoother. I dont know what you mean by fast, do some of the roms make the OS lag and jaggy?

Personally, I think of fast as responsive.....smooth as changing functions & desktops, etc. But to each their own in descriptive terms, I guess. As far as differences go, I'm not familiar with the Galaxy but each ROM really has a personality of it's own except maybe in comparing ports from other devices.
THAT'S why you will probably become like the rest of us......Flashaholics! LOL
Oh Yeah....then you have THEMES! :laugh:

Considering jumping to the Photon Q, seeking opinions

I have had a Samsung Epic that has served me well for a couple years. I'm looking to upgrade, and seeing no other qwerty sliders worthy of consideration on Sprint, I am really interested in the Q.
Just the name Q makes me all nostalgic for my old MotoQ9c that is still activated and sits in my drawer for the occasional use as a backup phone. And I have to say that I am impressed with the keyboard on the new Q after trying it out a few times.
My Epic is just about worn out. I have been running CM9.0 on it since alpha, and have it running as good as is to be expected. But it's loaded down with apps, and the slider and keyboard are just about worn out. It's laggy just because it's under powered for all the stuff I'm making it do. To top it off, my otterbox commuter case has broken, and even if I could find a new one, I don't see myself investing in more accessories for this old phone.
The nice thing about the epic, though, was that the dev community was, and to some extent still is, EPIC. So let's just say that coming over here seems a little quiet. I see that there is development happening, of course, just not on the same scale. I also see that CM 10 is available, so I know my ROMing needs will probably be met. So, this alone will not stop me from a move.
Neither will lte/wimax coverage.
So, if some of you would be so kind, just give me your reasons why you think I should or should not buy a new Q. Let me know the strengths and weaknesses of the phone from the perspective of those who have had it for a while.
I greatly appreciate your input.
-AH
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Photon Q:
Pros:
Dual core 1.5ghz Krait.
Nice keyboard.
$50 phone with contract
Cons:
Integrated SIM and battery.
No ROMs available until all kinks are worked out, I would not expect a fully functional ROM any time soon.
I'll think of more .
I would wait more and spend more on a better, more supported phone, though it might the best Keyboard phone available on sprint. iPhone is probably the best on Sprint, for those who don't like freedom, we'll see what Ubuntu OS has to offer! I can't wait for a native system, Android has been disappointing in the app/ROM stability/speed department.

Depends on personal preference. Even with very little development currently going on for the Q, in terms of performance it is leaps and bounds ahead of the Epic. On the stock Q rom no Custom Rom on the Epic is going to come close for multitasking and performance.
The stock rom rooted and with custom mods is pretty snappy. I have no regrets coming from the Epic. The battery life is great on the Q. I had the Epic for two years, and always had terrible battery life no matter what custom rom or mods I ran.
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Pros:
Fast as ****. 2nd fastest SOC in the market .
Best keyboard I have ever used.
Brilliant screen.
Cons:
Battery life.
Not much development.
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Thanks, guys. That's good info, and all along the lines of what I expected. I've got a couple weeks before I make the final jump, so, unless another phone comes along that just blows everything else out of the water, I'll be getting the new Q on or around March 1.
And if something better does come along, well then I guess I can upgrade that line my MotoQ9c has been on for the last 5 years. =)
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I have had every QWERTY phone available on Sprint.
The Moto Q is the best yet. I think you will be happy with the decision.
I was hesitant about giving up the removable battery.
But, I bought a Anker 5600 Mah power bank that I keep in my car or in my front pocket with my wallet and I'm happy.
On a side note, the width of the phone is perfect. Probably the widest I would want.
Let's just hope the Moto Q is not the last, great QWERTY phone.

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Cons:
Not much development.
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That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...

Skrilax_CZ said:
That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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I'm glad to hear things are about to pick up!
Now I'll be less tempted to jump onto a Nexus 4 once it eventually comes to Sprint.
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Skrilax_CZ said:
That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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lol, why haven't you said anything......
I feel like I'm reinventing the wheel over here! You guys meet on IRC somewhere, or do I need to speak Czech?

Skrilax_CZ said:
That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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Is there anything public we can see? Like a git somewhere?

Repos are on github in current state: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ?tab=repositories (use android_kernel_moto_asanti_c for kernel). Or see here how to clone the entire tree: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ/android (jellybean branch). Vendor repo is included too, no need to extract anything from phone. Also I'm on ASA14 firmware. I'm porting CM10 as there are problems with camera on CM10.1 on the similar phones such as RAZR HD as of now. And I started this weekend, that's 4 days
Framework is forked, but I haven't patched it yet. So as I said QWERTY keyboard isn't working properly (backlight, onscreen keyboard shows up etc.).
You can find me and kabaldan (as nadlabak) on freenode #motomagic, there are also other guys from US in there to help (well, mind the timezones, CZ is GMT+1).

Skrilax_CZ said:
Repos are on github in current state: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ?tab=repositories (use android_kernel_moto_asanti_c for kernel). Or see here how to clone the entire tree: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ/android (jellybean branch). Vendor repo is included too, no need to extract anything from phone. Also I'm on ASA14 firmware. I'm porting CM10 as there are problems with camera on CM10.1 on the similar phones such as RAZR HD as of now. And I started this weekend, that's 4 days
Framework is forked, but I haven't patched it yet. So as I said QWERTY keyboard isn't working properly (backlight, onscreen keyboard shows up etc.).
You can find me and kabaldan (as nadlabak) on freenode #motomagic, there are also other guys from US in there to help (well, mind the timezones, CZ is GMT+1).
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Friggin sweet!
So when are you going to post CM10? When you get the kb stuff worked out?
I'm building now, hoping to get some success. Hoping you post it to the public soon!

I will post when the "child illnesses" are solved.

I just upgraded from the Evo Shift and I'm glad I did. The Shift was a great phone but like you, it couldn't keep up with me anymore. I rooted, flashed pwnyourface's customish stock ROM and debloated and the phone's running great. With the fast processor, multi-tasking is much easier and even Sprint's abysmal 3G speeds seem better because the apps can us it more efficiently.
Battery life's not bad but with being faster and with a bigger screen' I was expecting a dip from the usual 18hrs I would get out of my Shift. The good thing is that if you buy the Q from Costco Wireless, it's only $40 (edit - with upgrade) plus you get the following:
-belt holster (won't use but I'll take it)
-a slip over case (can't use it in the case but it's good until I get my Otterbox which I found for $21 on Amazon)
-a car charger/wall charger combo with extra cable (cheapish but whatever, it's free)
- mail-in-rebate for a battery pack and nav dock (will take 4-8 weeks to process BUT FREE! WOOOOO!)
Overall, more than happy I upgraded though I'm having to retrain my fingers to work with this keyboard.

Skrilax_CZ said:
Repos are on github in current state: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ?tab=repositories (use android_kernel_moto_asanti_c for kernel). Or see here how to clone the entire tree: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ/android (jellybean branch). Vendor repo is included too, no need to extract anything from phone. Also I'm on ASA14 firmware. I'm porting CM10 as there are problems with camera on CM10.1 on the similar phones such as RAZR HD as of now. And I started this weekend, that's 4 days
Framework is forked, but I haven't patched it yet. So as I said QWERTY keyboard isn't working properly (backlight, onscreen keyboard shows up etc.).
You can find me and kabaldan (as nadlabak) on freenode #motomagic, there are also other guys from US in there to help (well, mind the timezones, CZ is GMT+1).
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Wow! That's all so great to hear. I'm sure if the JB upgrade from moto and sprint ever actually arrives and we get source code on it it will help to figure out a lot of those issues as well. I'm definitely not letting development or lack thereof affect my decision. I know development will happen, it's just a matter of time. My feeling is that some of the newer phones haven't been developed as much as older ones like the Epic because they work so well out of the box with faster processors and more ram. You can't imagine how shocked I was when my Epic froze up less than an hour of leaving the sprint store with it. Everyone knew the hardware could do better, so the tinkerers had to fix it...and boy did they. But if a phone works well out of the box, then there isn't the perceived need for it. Still, I've gotten used to having my phone rooted, checking CM nightlies, and doing my own tweaks. So the fact that this is out there is icing on the cake.
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brandontowey said:
I just upgraded from the Evo Shift and I'm glad I did. The Shift was a great phone but like you, it couldn't keep up with me anymore. I rooted, flashed pwnyourface's customish stock ROM and debloated and the phone's running great. With the fast processor, multi-tasking is much easier and even Sprint's abysmal 3G speeds seem better because the apps can us it more efficiently.
Battery life's not bad but with being faster and with a bigger screen' I was expecting a dip from the usual 18hrs I would get out of my Shift. The good thing is that if you buy the Q from Costco Wireless, it's only $40 (edit - with upgrade) plus you get the following:
-belt holster (won't use but I'll take it)
-a slip over case (can't use it in the case but it's good until I get my Otterbox which I found for $21 on Amazon)
-a car charger/wall charger combo with extra cable (cheapish but whatever, it's free)
- mail-in-rebate for a battery pack and nav dock (will take 4-8 weeks to process BUT FREE! WOOOOO!)
Overall, more than happy I upgraded though I'm having to retrain my fingers to work with this keyboard.
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Yeah, I saw the deal from costco, and am probably going that way. We don't have a membership, and it's about 20 miles to the nearest store, and we pass two Sam's clubs on the way, but my wife is interested in getting a membership and checking it out for a year, so that's the plan.
And I know what you mean about changing the keyboard. I picked the Epic because I felt it had the best keyboard available at the time, and that was largely due to the 5th row of keys. My first couple tries with the Q were like going into bazaaro land, but the feel of it is just so much more positive. I agree with the guys over at A|C: the best keyboard on an android phone, period.
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Wow, this generated more response than I expected. Thanks so much to all of you for all the info.
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I thought you needed a membership but when I ordered two phones from the website, membershipwireless.com, it never asked for a Costco customer number, just my Sprint info. I think it's a separate entity that's partnered with Costco or something but you don't need to join to buy stuff from the wireless division.

Hey guys.
Just ordered up my phone from Costco. Can't wait until it comes in.
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amateurhack said:
Hey guys.
Just ordered up my phone from Costco. Can't wait until it comes in.
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Great choice!! You gotta love it. For custom ROM,I think it will come considering this phone has an unlocked bootloader.