I have had a Samsung Epic that has served me well for a couple years. I'm looking to upgrade, and seeing no other qwerty sliders worthy of consideration on Sprint, I am really interested in the Q.
Just the name Q makes me all nostalgic for my old MotoQ9c that is still activated and sits in my drawer for the occasional use as a backup phone. And I have to say that I am impressed with the keyboard on the new Q after trying it out a few times.
My Epic is just about worn out. I have been running CM9.0 on it since alpha, and have it running as good as is to be expected. But it's loaded down with apps, and the slider and keyboard are just about worn out. It's laggy just because it's under powered for all the stuff I'm making it do. To top it off, my otterbox commuter case has broken, and even if I could find a new one, I don't see myself investing in more accessories for this old phone.
The nice thing about the epic, though, was that the dev community was, and to some extent still is, EPIC. So let's just say that coming over here seems a little quiet. I see that there is development happening, of course, just not on the same scale. I also see that CM 10 is available, so I know my ROMing needs will probably be met. So, this alone will not stop me from a move.
Neither will lte/wimax coverage.
So, if some of you would be so kind, just give me your reasons why you think I should or should not buy a new Q. Let me know the strengths and weaknesses of the phone from the perspective of those who have had it for a while.
I greatly appreciate your input.
-AH
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Photon Q:
Pros:
Dual core 1.5ghz Krait.
Nice keyboard.
$50 phone with contract
Cons:
Integrated SIM and battery.
No ROMs available until all kinks are worked out, I would not expect a fully functional ROM any time soon.
I'll think of more .
I would wait more and spend more on a better, more supported phone, though it might the best Keyboard phone available on sprint. iPhone is probably the best on Sprint, for those who don't like freedom, we'll see what Ubuntu OS has to offer! I can't wait for a native system, Android has been disappointing in the app/ROM stability/speed department.
Depends on personal preference. Even with very little development currently going on for the Q, in terms of performance it is leaps and bounds ahead of the Epic. On the stock Q rom no Custom Rom on the Epic is going to come close for multitasking and performance.
The stock rom rooted and with custom mods is pretty snappy. I have no regrets coming from the Epic. The battery life is great on the Q. I had the Epic for two years, and always had terrible battery life no matter what custom rom or mods I ran.
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Pros:
Fast as ****. 2nd fastest SOC in the market .
Best keyboard I have ever used.
Brilliant screen.
Cons:
Battery life.
Not much development.
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Thanks, guys. That's good info, and all along the lines of what I expected. I've got a couple weeks before I make the final jump, so, unless another phone comes along that just blows everything else out of the water, I'll be getting the new Q on or around March 1.
And if something better does come along, well then I guess I can upgrade that line my MotoQ9c has been on for the last 5 years. =)
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I have had every QWERTY phone available on Sprint.
The Moto Q is the best yet. I think you will be happy with the decision.
I was hesitant about giving up the removable battery.
But, I bought a Anker 5600 Mah power bank that I keep in my car or in my front pocket with my wallet and I'm happy.
On a side note, the width of the phone is perfect. Probably the widest I would want.
Let's just hope the Moto Q is not the last, great QWERTY phone.
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Cons:
Not much development.
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That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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I'm glad to hear things are about to pick up!
Now I'll be less tempted to jump onto a Nexus 4 once it eventually comes to Sprint.
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That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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lol, why haven't you said anything......
I feel like I'm reinventing the wheel over here! You guys meet on IRC somewhere, or do I need to speak Czech?
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That's going to change
Porting CM10 on the Photon Q and another guy with MS1 - the CM maintainer for MS - kabaldan - is getting the Q too. Although CDMA support might be a problem since he's from Prague too.
So far I got basic things working (display, sound, camera, adb, modem, wifi (partially - doesn't seem to detect networks properly)). Main thing though - QWERTY keyboard - still needs properly patched framework (that's right, stock ICS+ Android lacks support for physical QWERTY keyboard on the phone) ...
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Is there anything public we can see? Like a git somewhere?
Repos are on github in current state: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ?tab=repositories (use android_kernel_moto_asanti_c for kernel). Or see here how to clone the entire tree: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ/android (jellybean branch). Vendor repo is included too, no need to extract anything from phone. Also I'm on ASA14 firmware. I'm porting CM10 as there are problems with camera on CM10.1 on the similar phones such as RAZR HD as of now. And I started this weekend, that's 4 days
Framework is forked, but I haven't patched it yet. So as I said QWERTY keyboard isn't working properly (backlight, onscreen keyboard shows up etc.).
You can find me and kabaldan (as nadlabak) on freenode #motomagic, there are also other guys from US in there to help (well, mind the timezones, CZ is GMT+1).
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Repos are on github in current state: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ?tab=repositories (use android_kernel_moto_asanti_c for kernel). Or see here how to clone the entire tree: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ/android (jellybean branch). Vendor repo is included too, no need to extract anything from phone. Also I'm on ASA14 firmware. I'm porting CM10 as there are problems with camera on CM10.1 on the similar phones such as RAZR HD as of now. And I started this weekend, that's 4 days
Framework is forked, but I haven't patched it yet. So as I said QWERTY keyboard isn't working properly (backlight, onscreen keyboard shows up etc.).
You can find me and kabaldan (as nadlabak) on freenode #motomagic, there are also other guys from US in there to help (well, mind the timezones, CZ is GMT+1).
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Friggin sweet!
So when are you going to post CM10? When you get the kb stuff worked out?
I'm building now, hoping to get some success. Hoping you post it to the public soon!
I will post when the "child illnesses" are solved.
I just upgraded from the Evo Shift and I'm glad I did. The Shift was a great phone but like you, it couldn't keep up with me anymore. I rooted, flashed pwnyourface's customish stock ROM and debloated and the phone's running great. With the fast processor, multi-tasking is much easier and even Sprint's abysmal 3G speeds seem better because the apps can us it more efficiently.
Battery life's not bad but with being faster and with a bigger screen' I was expecting a dip from the usual 18hrs I would get out of my Shift. The good thing is that if you buy the Q from Costco Wireless, it's only $40 (edit - with upgrade) plus you get the following:
-belt holster (won't use but I'll take it)
-a slip over case (can't use it in the case but it's good until I get my Otterbox which I found for $21 on Amazon)
-a car charger/wall charger combo with extra cable (cheapish but whatever, it's free)
- mail-in-rebate for a battery pack and nav dock (will take 4-8 weeks to process BUT FREE! WOOOOO!)
Overall, more than happy I upgraded though I'm having to retrain my fingers to work with this keyboard.
Skrilax_CZ said:
Repos are on github in current state: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ?tab=repositories (use android_kernel_moto_asanti_c for kernel). Or see here how to clone the entire tree: https://github.com/SkrilaxCZ/android (jellybean branch). Vendor repo is included too, no need to extract anything from phone. Also I'm on ASA14 firmware. I'm porting CM10 as there are problems with camera on CM10.1 on the similar phones such as RAZR HD as of now. And I started this weekend, that's 4 days
Framework is forked, but I haven't patched it yet. So as I said QWERTY keyboard isn't working properly (backlight, onscreen keyboard shows up etc.).
You can find me and kabaldan (as nadlabak) on freenode #motomagic, there are also other guys from US in there to help (well, mind the timezones, CZ is GMT+1).
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Wow! That's all so great to hear. I'm sure if the JB upgrade from moto and sprint ever actually arrives and we get source code on it it will help to figure out a lot of those issues as well. I'm definitely not letting development or lack thereof affect my decision. I know development will happen, it's just a matter of time. My feeling is that some of the newer phones haven't been developed as much as older ones like the Epic because they work so well out of the box with faster processors and more ram. You can't imagine how shocked I was when my Epic froze up less than an hour of leaving the sprint store with it. Everyone knew the hardware could do better, so the tinkerers had to fix it...and boy did they. But if a phone works well out of the box, then there isn't the perceived need for it. Still, I've gotten used to having my phone rooted, checking CM nightlies, and doing my own tweaks. So the fact that this is out there is icing on the cake.
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I just upgraded from the Evo Shift and I'm glad I did. The Shift was a great phone but like you, it couldn't keep up with me anymore. I rooted, flashed pwnyourface's customish stock ROM and debloated and the phone's running great. With the fast processor, multi-tasking is much easier and even Sprint's abysmal 3G speeds seem better because the apps can us it more efficiently.
Battery life's not bad but with being faster and with a bigger screen' I was expecting a dip from the usual 18hrs I would get out of my Shift. The good thing is that if you buy the Q from Costco Wireless, it's only $40 (edit - with upgrade) plus you get the following:
-belt holster (won't use but I'll take it)
-a slip over case (can't use it in the case but it's good until I get my Otterbox which I found for $21 on Amazon)
-a car charger/wall charger combo with extra cable (cheapish but whatever, it's free)
- mail-in-rebate for a battery pack and nav dock (will take 4-8 weeks to process BUT FREE! WOOOOO!)
Overall, more than happy I upgraded though I'm having to retrain my fingers to work with this keyboard.
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Yeah, I saw the deal from costco, and am probably going that way. We don't have a membership, and it's about 20 miles to the nearest store, and we pass two Sam's clubs on the way, but my wife is interested in getting a membership and checking it out for a year, so that's the plan.
And I know what you mean about changing the keyboard. I picked the Epic because I felt it had the best keyboard available at the time, and that was largely due to the 5th row of keys. My first couple tries with the Q were like going into bazaaro land, but the feel of it is just so much more positive. I agree with the guys over at A|C: the best keyboard on an android phone, period.
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Wow, this generated more response than I expected. Thanks so much to all of you for all the info.
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I thought you needed a membership but when I ordered two phones from the website, membershipwireless.com, it never asked for a Costco customer number, just my Sprint info. I think it's a separate entity that's partnered with Costco or something but you don't need to join to buy stuff from the wireless division.
Hey guys.
Just ordered up my phone from Costco. Can't wait until it comes in.
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amateurhack said:
Hey guys.
Just ordered up my phone from Costco. Can't wait until it comes in.
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Great choice!! You gotta love it. For custom ROM,I think it will come considering this phone has an unlocked bootloader.
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Has anyone done the switch from the captivate? Is it worth it? I currently have mine with Continuum 2.6 and its running smooth but some games give me performance problems or it lags up at times. How much smoother is the Infuse? Really torn, I love my Captivate but I feel like its time to switch. I had the Atrix but didn't like it much.
Someone convince me to switch!
EGBTMagus said:
Has anyone done the switch from the captivate? Is it worth it? I currently have mine with Continuum 2.6 and its running smooth but some games give me performance problems or it lags up at times. How much smoother is the Infuse? Really torn, I love my Captivate but I feel like its time to switch. I had the Atrix but didn't like it much.
Someone convince me to switch!
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continuum 2.6? you didnt want to get gingerbread? well the captivate is like the perfect sized phone, the infuse can be a little awkward to hold with one hand. what i mean is that for my thumb to reach to the other side of the screen the phone just rests on my fingers, i cant grip it in my hand and operate it with my thumb. i havent dropped it that way yet but it is something to think about. it makes swype harder to use with one hand at a minimum. but after you use the big screen the captivate will look and feel tiny and you wont want to go back. as far as differences, well do you have any interest in hooking it to a tv? are you a heavy internet user? the bigger screen and hspa+ really help when browsing, i always ound text hard to read on the captivate, the older samoled screen has a funky subpixel layout and for me it affects readability alot. the infuse, i feel is much more readable. also the extra ram on the infuse will allow it to run a few things better. i switched and dont regret it, it really depends on what you like/want out of a phone.
I came from the Captivate with the Gingerbread version of Continuum installed. It was butter smooth... I haven't looked back since the upgrade and love the value the devs are already bringing to an amazing phone. Love my Infuse!! My wife now has my Cappy and loves it too. The Infuse is definitely a strong step up by Samsung IMO.
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I have big hands too. I'm one hand thumbing this message right now.. hehe
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It's hardware is significantly better.
If this had a 4.3" screen it would be better. Things are a tad pixelated.
The software is equal.
If this had TW4 (the whole thing, not just a launcher or an apparently or two) it'd be a home run.
Right now it's more like a ground rule double.
The good thing is that software is always fixable. Spend five minutes in the Captivate forum and you'll see what some stubbornness can acheieve.
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forgot to mention you can take pics and use gps and talk using speakerphone at the same time. try either one with the captivate, the camera and gps are disabled when a call is active! i know to many the camera while talking seems like an odd thing to try but ive been on the phone and wanted to text the person a pic of where i was and was disapointed that i counldnt use the camera. and the gps, well on a long road trip you are bound to get a phone call, just hope you are not anywhere near a turn because it takes the captivate a long time to find a lock again and the nav app to find your position and recheck the route in that situation.
I was going to ask the same question but search feature worked well it seems so I will bump this up. I am looking to upgrade to an infuse. And I was wondering more specifically about how the custom rom experience has been, obviously the captivate has been around longer and with the i9000 it has been able to get a lot of work done through that outlet. So has the infuse been getting a good group of rom chefs? I see mikeymike is here and I loved serendipity on the captivate so for me this is a good sign.
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I was going to ask the same question but search feature worked well it seems so I will bump this up. I am looking to upgrade to an infuse. And I was wondering more specifically about how the custom rom experience has been, obviously the captivate has been around longer and with the i9000 it has been able to get a lot of work done through that outlet. So has the infuse been getting a good group of rom chefs? I see mikeymike is here and I loved serendipity on the captivate so for me this is a good sign.
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There are quite a few good rom chefs here, and there's also some kernel hacking activity going on.
Most of the rom chefs are on break right now - enjoying the summer while we wait for Gingerbread to drop in Canada. Once that happens they'll be busy again, so I fully support them saving their energy for then.
Some people are working on their kernel-fu now, as many of the kernel tweaks and discoveries (Such as, "oh THAT's the ADC I was looking for!") are more easily forward-portable to whatever kernel comes with GB than userland tweaks. If I can ever find an ADC that monitors the USB +5v rail expect a lot of battery charging tweaks. I know how to set the current, but there's severe limits on what I can do with the charge current unless I can monitor the input rail to make sure it isn't getting yanked down by overdraw. (Not all chargers are created equal. Without monitoring +5v input, a kernel that rocks when running off of a 2A iPad charger is going to do all sorts of weird crap on the stock charger, for example.)
That's great to hear, i assume this is a previously answered question but has there been talk of CM7 or MIUI coming over?
Let me give you a pro tip.
Nexus 3, quad or dualcore, by Christmas.
Also, which games lag?
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How is the GPS on the Infuse?
My wife and I have Captivates now and she is directionally challenged to say the least. We both got out Captivates in July of last year, but can upgrade now. I'm not interested in spending $200 for a new phone, I had my last phone for 4 years (HTC Wizard), but my wife is LITERALLY lost most places with out GPS, so a better GPS is a must.
I've just started looking at treads and seeing a "GPS Improvement" thread make me think that Samsung somehow is still screwing up a 20+ year old technology.
She is going to run stock ROM if that'll make a difference.
Thanks for any direction provided.
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My wife and I have Captivates now and she is directionally challenged to say the least. We both got out Captivates in July of last year, but can upgrade now. I'm not interested in spending $200 for a new phone, I had my last phone for 4 years (HTC Wizard), but my wife is LITERALLY lost most places with out GPS, so a better GPS is a must.
I've just started looking at treads and seeing a "GPS Improvement" thread make me think that Samsung somehow is still screwing up a 20+ year old technology.
She is going to run stock ROM if that'll make a difference.
Thanks for any direction provided.
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The CG2900 in the Infuse seems to be an improvement compared to previous hardware. We've got the same GPS chip as the SGS2.
I think Froyo came with early first-gen firmware for the 2900. It seems significantly improved with the Rogers Gingerbread kernel and userland libraries - the only fix people seem to need is occasionally clearing out the ephemeride preloads.
I question whether the "GPS Fix" was even doing anything other than placebo effect. For many people including myself it caused regressions.
Complete stock gps is flawless
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b3asty said:
I have big hands too. I'm one hand thumbing this message right now.. hehe
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Sounds fun let be try )))
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I owned a Cappy (great phone), however I am officially in love with my Infuse
In addition to MikeyMike01 comment, I have to add:
- Battery is supposed to be better (lasts longer)
- Front face camera (1.3MP)
- Rear camera with LED flash (8MP)
- 1.2 Ghz processor (mine is OC to 1.6Ghz )
- Comes with Froyo, GB is supposed to be out within the next two weeks (rumors) but there are couple custom GB roms already
- HDMI TV Out support (through USB to HDMI dongle, comes with phone)
I do agree that the GPS is way better and screen is brighter and all looks sharper than on Captivate.
Although size is big and it still a slim phone, so you can fit it in your pocket without problems.
Besides the previously mentioned features they are the same in all other aspects. I once heard that the Infuse is a Captivate on steroids
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Device: Currently Samsung Infuse 4G (AT&T)
Samsung Captivate (sold)
ROM: Infused v2.0.1
Kernel: Infusion GB
Modem: XKG3
Hey guys,
I have a full upgrade coming on Tuesday (7-5) and have been doing a lot of research on what phone I want. I have it narrowed to the SK4g and waiting a little longer for the mt4g slide.
My burning question is does anyone know the status of porting CyanogenMod to the Sidekick?
If there were any progress on that, it would make it a no brainer since the combo of the physical keyboard, basic internal hardware stats, and the right price + CM7 would make it a near perfect for me phone.
I have asked on the CM forums, and googled it but cannot find an answer. I know bburke has mentioned it so I figured to ask here and see.
Thanks in Advance!
WolfePakT
Well to answer your question wolfepakt, Its a work in progress. Its been less than a month since we were gifted CWM(amazing work Krylon360!), and the "Smooth Maximus" rom serious (Major thanks to AyoTeddy!). With what little knowledge i know of about CM7, I believe there needs to be a gingerbread leak for our device or a device closely related (epic 4g i think is the closest). But what we really need is a couple more devs to work on it. Ayoteddy (smooth maximus), Dr.Honk(Bali Kernal's) and Krylon360 (CWM) can only do so much on their own. If you know of some devs that would help us port it, our phone could see the gingery goodness!
Did some more looking on CM wiki and found one small tidbit at the very bottom of this page:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S:_FAQ
There is no maintainer but the sk is not to far from the galaxy S line.
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Did some more looking on CM wiki and found one small tidbit at the very bottom of this page:
http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_S:_FAQ
There is no maintainer but the sk is not to far from the galaxy S line.
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Its close as far as hardware is concerned, but I'd like to ask you to look at the clock work mod thread so you can see the real differences.
Will do. Have been reading a lot in the last week or two!
There are tons of useful pages, some of which should be stickies but aren't. If you need anything just ask brother.
p.s. If you look at the phones i have posted in my signature, My current setup blows them all away. Ayoteddy and Dr.Honk did a magnificent piece of work with the smooth maximus rom.
Good deal!
I don't change my phone every three months like some people, so I want something that I will be happy with for a long time.
I had my Dash for almost two years, have had the highlight for over a year.
Have has good luck with both Samsung and HTC!
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Good deal!
I don't change my phone every three months like some people, so I want something that I will be happy with for a long time.
I had my Dash for almost two years, have had the highlight for over a year.
Have has good luck with both Samsung and HTC!
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I am trying to work on getting a cm7 port, but not much progress so far. If you like having tons of ROM choices, id go with the mt4g slide, but nonetheless, the sk4g is a good phone.
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I am trying to work on getting a cm7 port, but not much progress so far. If you like having tons of ROM choices, id go with the mt4g slide, but nonetheless, the sk4g is a good phone.
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There are two things making me want to go SK:
1. The price is reasonable,
2, The keyboard is bigger (5 row, looks more 'bigger hand" friendly)
4g slide has the dual core processor, more ram, etc.
I really don't care about the camera!
Either one will get a 16 gig sd card, so that doesn't really matter to me.
(I wanted a g2, but tmo sent it to a premature grave!)
All that being said I will most likely go with the SK, but I am gonna wait till the slide comes out and call Tmo Loyalty and see what they can do for me!
i have a G2 and the SK4G, and at first, when we had only stock for the SK4G, i preferred my G2, as the development for the device is truly amazing. but now, with the Smooth Maximus ROM and Bali kernel, I've been using my Sidekick. CM7 or AOSP would be amazing, but to me, we have it good already! i think Samsung knocked it out of the park with the physical design, and yeah, the keyboard is awesome, best i have ever used on a smartphone. i think i could use this phone for a long time myself.
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i have a G2 and the SK4G, and at first, when we had only stock for the SK4G, i preferred my G2, as the development for the device is truly amazing. but now, with the Smooth Maximus ROM and Bali kernel, I've been using my Sidekick. CM7 or AOSP would be amazing, but to me, we have it good already! i think Samsung knocked it out of the park with the physical design, and yeah, the keyboard is awesome, best i have ever used on a smartphone. i think i could use this phone for a long time myself.
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Great info yogi!
Doing more research tells me that the diffs between froyo and gingerbread are nice but a lot of it is similar in the bali kernel on smX. I still am leaning to SK and getting more convinced each day. I wish I had the time to devote to learning the info to build kernels so I could help DEV and work on OC kernels etc. I have used Linux for years, but between working 40+ a week and a family that we Homeschool, time for stuff like that is on the low side!
I never got into having the top of the line tech as it outdated to quickly to justify the price! However as a geek by nature, I frequently drool over TOTL!
I have downloaded the kernel source from samsung and will dig into it tonight at work! (Love OT!!!) I hope that it is well commented!
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I have downloaded the kernel source from samsung and will dig into it tonight at work! (Love OT!!!) I hope that it is well commented!
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let me know how it goes with the kernel. I have been trying to build it for practice.... the Bali kernel seemed to build easily for me, but I am a bit stuck on the stock kernel for some reason.
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I'm slowly working on porting CM7/AOSP 2.3, just getting around to some more work on it, but currently have to completely rebuild, as GB requires a different init.rc haha. I've built both the bali kernel and the stock kernel, so if you have some questions yogi, I can possiblly help you out, just pm me or find me, you know where I hang out.
hey sduvick have you made any progress?
I'd drop a <Donate Monetarily> to this cause, as I have for WiFi-Tether, Bugless beast, and Cyanogen in the past...
The default double lock screen is a major hindrance for daily use with stock and the only viable alternative right now.
A fun question. How many of us Sidekick 4G owners bought them to replace our rusty, err, trusty G1s? I get the feeling a lot of us made such a migration.
I held onto my G1 until last month, since I could find no other Android phone on the UMTS 1700 band with a keyboard so good. I just couldn't bear the thought of using a touch screen all day. When I saw the Sidekick's I knew I had to have one. And while I do miss that old workhorse, I've also enjoyed my time with the Sidekick. It's nice to finally have a current phone for once in my life!
I ended up selling that G1, cracked screen housing and all, to a friend for $50. Not only is it his first Android device, but also his first smart phone. With the addition of a new battery and a fresh ROM it should have another year or even two of life in it.
I had the G1 until I finally had an upgrade. Still have my trusty G1 just in case something magically goes wrong.
Didnt come straight from the g1 but had it when it first came out. I thought it was one of the cheapest built smartphones ive had but instead ended up being one of the toughest and survived many drops. i miss the g1's design. Im one of the few that thought it looked nice.
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A fun question. How many of us Sidekick 4G owners bought them to replace our rusty, err, trusty G1s? I get the feeling a lot of us made such a migration.
I held onto my G1 until last month, since I could find no other Android phone on the UMTS 1700 band with a keyboard so good. I just couldn't bear the thought of using a touch screen all day. When I saw the Sidekick's I knew I had to have one. And while I do miss that old workhorse, I've also enjoyed my time with the Sidekick. It's nice to finally have a current phone for once in my life!
I ended up selling that G1, cracked screen housing and all, to a friend for $50. Not only is it his first Android device, but also his first smart phone. With the addition of a new battery and a fresh ROM it should have another year or even two of life in it.
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I'm seriously thinking about buying this phone... I miss my G1's kb, I've been putzing along with the og Droid for a couple years (I was living in the states). Now that I'm back in Canada, I need a replacement. I'm not thrilled with the lack of decent camera, but that sweet sweet keyboard looks oh so nice. I do a lot of remote server admin and so the keyboard is a big deal for me.
Are the ROMs any good? I don't need the fancy crap it looks like they've piled on top, just a standard type Android UI would be nice for me.
Failing this I'd probably get the Milestone/Droid 3, but it's been getting kinda meh reviews.
The ROMs aren't bad, we're still improving each release, but they're much better than stock. Not sure exactly what you like in a ROM, but as far as Froyo Touchwiz goes, these are pretty solid. If you do happen to get this phone and find that the ROM selection isn't what you are looking for, PM me and we'll see what we can do to get a ROM made that fits your desires.
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The ROMs aren't bad, we're still improving each release, but they're much better than stock. Not sure exactly what you like in a ROM, but as far as Froyo Touchwiz goes, these are pretty solid. If you do happen to get this phone and find that the ROM selection isn't what you are looking for, PM me and we'll see what we can do to get a ROM made that fits your desires.
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Thanks, that's very generous of you! Really all I want is to use the phone as a palmtop computer... browser, email, SSH, etc. I don't care much about eye candy or special effects, speed and efficiency are my main concerns. Not so much concerned with it as a social media platform either as an IT consultant's accessory Oh, and Google Navigation!
To give you an idea, here's my apps:
ConnectBot
AndroidVNC
ES File Explorer
Files Anywhere
K-9 Mail
PdaNet
QR Droid
Wifi Analyzer
SipDroid
Skype
Remote Web Desktop
Square
SwiftKeyX
etc
Didn't come directly from a g1 but I bought the g1 the first day it came out, had it until cyanogen stopped supporting it, and then tried out several different phones and none of them satisfied me. I could never get used to an all touchscreen device and most keyboards were very lacking. The sidekick has the best keyboard I have ever used, I like it better than the g1's. I still keep my g1 and use it for a bluetooth keyboard on my ipad/ps3 since blueputdroid doesn't support samsung's bluetooth drivers for some reason.
Sounds just like me! I work in IT as well and use most of those apps as well, and as far as i've found, there's no issues with them, and the keyboard is an IT person's best friend.
I'm getting the Sidekick in a couple days. Coming from the Mytouch 1.2 I have a couple roms I developed in the G1 section. I was wondering if and why there is no Gingerbread for Sidekick? Just curious. Also does anyone know if CM will support it? Thanks. I'm new to the Sidekick.
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There's no gingerbread for it because there's no gingerbread source. CM probably won't officially support it, as CM doesn't officially support anything Samsung other than the Galaxy S. When we get the GB source, someone (probably me) will at least try porting an unofficial CM7, but until we get the source, there's no efficient way to port it.
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There's no gingerbread for it because there's no gingerbread source. CM probably won't officially support it, as CM doesn't officially support anything Samsung other than the Galaxy S. When we get the GB source, someone (probably me) will at least try porting an unofficial CM7, but until we get the source, there's no efficient way to port it.
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So Samsung wont release the source. I hope it gets released soon. If so I'd like to work with you to get a CM ROM going for it. I have two CM7 Roms in the G1 Development forums.
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Also can anyone brush me up on ODIN, and Voodoo?
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Odin flashes firmware like fastboot does for HTC phones (kind of).
Odin is used to restore to stock from any state other than a hard brick. It just restores system images to the partitions.
Voodoo is the set of tweaks commonly used to implement the Lagfix, aka EXT4 partitions. Voodoo ClockworkMod recovery is Red, and is implemented in the Bali kernel.
I would be open to working with you on it, as I am for most people on most projects, let me know if you ever wanna work on anything together.
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Odin flashes firmware like fastboot does for HTC phones (kind of).
Odin is used to restore to stock from any state other than a hard brick. It just restores system images to the partitions.
Voodoo is the set of tweaks commonly used to implement the Lagfix, aka EXT4 partitions. Voodoo ClockworkMod recovery is Red, and is implemented in the Bali kernel.
I would be open to working with you on it, as I am for most people on most projects, let me know if you ever wanna work on anything together.
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Sounds great. Thanks for the info. I kinda new but wanted to be sure. Ill be glued to Google for a bit to educate myself on the Sidekick.
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There's no gingerbread for it because there's no gingerbread source. CM probably won't officially support it, as CM doesn't officially support anything Samsung other than the Galaxy S. When we get the GB source, someone (probably me) will at least try porting an unofficial CM7, but until we get the source, there's no efficient way to port it.
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what about cm6... Not the most recent but still good
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Working on it, has some major compiling issues.
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Working on it, has some major compiling issues.
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Will wait for it... Good luck and thanks for not leaving
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what about cm6... Not the most recent but still good
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I'd be happy with that for now.
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Honestly, the A2 has great performance, it is not top of the line, but it is certainly pretty high end. It has a decent feel overall, but still know one knows about it. Why is this?!!? I'm not even talking strictly from a development standpoint, as it is just so unheard of. everyone knows about the whole droid line and such, but our great phone is completely neglected. There is no way i'm the only one that is bothered by this, especially because there is so much potential in our phone. I know the locked bootloader, makes things difficult, but a way around that is near, so do y'all think development will take off once we get it bypassed or unlocked? Thanks for listening to my rant and feel free to give your own opinion
Motorola or Att did not push this phone like they did with the original Atrix. Most people are going with samsung (sgs2 or the note). That is why we do not have very many devs. Samsung phone are much easier to work with. I know because i have one. If no one else decides to get this phone that's fine with me. I like the phone as is. Im also happy with the few devs we have. Their work is greatly appreciated.
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Once cm9 or a form of ics gets calling and texting going then things will start to kick off. Right now with our limited amount of knowledgeable devs some have lost interest and are just sitting by waiting for Motorola to release ics.
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you aren't the only one. It pisses me off. I always have service on this phone, for the most part it's fast and smooth, and the ROM support is becoming awesome. Yet still people don't know the name of my phone , they just know it's "big"
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Once cm9 or a form of ics gets calling and texting going then things will start to kick off. Right now with our limited amount of knowledgeable devs some have lost interest and are just sitting by waiting for Motorola to release ics.
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Actually, one of the orignal devs for this phone (been on it since it came out) has not lost interest but is working on kexec for our phone which is BY FAR more important than ICS... The possibilities are endless once we have a bootloader bypass.
Motorola did not advertise or really let ANYONE know that the phone was being released. For example, when I walked into the AT&T store with a $100 and a contract renewal, I just browsed/tried all of the phones they had in stock, and happend to like the feature set/performance of the Atrix 2 the best. The funny part is that I had NO idea that the phone actually came out the day before and was just put on display. Luckily the phone is great and the community to go along with it is even greater.
Honestly I'm on Supercharged right now, clocked around 1.25 GHz, and I can go higher, but my battery life sucks. I don't really care about the attention. We're getting ICS, and I'm hoping I don't have a good enough excuse to go back to stock until ICS is out. Then I'm going back to stock for sure. The speed is great, the lagginess and bloat on the stock rom just sucked, but so does my battery life now. It doesn't really take a whole lot to trim down a stock rom, I'm sure someone will do it for ICS if I don't myself.
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Honestly I'm on Supercharged right now, clocked around 1.25 GHz, and I can go higher, but my battery life sucks. I don't really care about the attention. We're getting ICS, and I'm hoping I don't have a good enough excuse to go back to stock until ICS is out. Then I'm going back to stock for sure. The speed is great, the lagginess and bloat on the stock rom just sucked, but so does my battery life now. It doesn't really take a whole lot to trim down a stock rom, I'm sure someone will do it for ICS if I don't myself.
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Freezing apps does wonders for performance + battery life. I use Titanium Backup for this. All the "junk apps" that Motorola/AT&T installed (that I don't use) get frozen.
The End.
Some of our roms are great, but there are only 4 or 5 or something, it would be nice to see some of the big ones like cm7. hopefully an unlocked BL and ICS will spark some serious development. I think the biggest problem is the lack of serious developers. Who do we really have? Jimbridgman, lfabor06, and Rdavisct are the only ones I can really think of off the top of my head. We all play a role, but only the true genius' like them do a lot of good towards roms and things
To buy an Atrix 2, I had to special order it from Amazon. The local places didn't sell it because it didn't work with LTE in the area, and were mainly pushing iStuff.
Motorola needs to wake up and start tooting their own horn. The Atrix 2 has been an excellent phone, both in the reception department (better voice and call quality than my HTC and iPhone), CPU department, and in general usage.
Plus, there is an untapped market for these types of phones -- business people who just need a basic laptop where all their data is stored securely at one place, either on the phone with the on device encryption (or SD encryption), or using a Citrix receiver.
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Actually, one of the orignal devs for this phone (been on it since it came out) has not lost interest but is working on kexec for our phone which is BY FAR more important than ICS... The possibilities are endless once we have a bootloader bypass.
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This really is the truth of the matter. Until we can load custom kernels on the A2, the devs are kinda limited on what they can modify. ICS with a locked bootloader is not much better than GB with a locked bootloader.
My wife has a Samsung Galaxy and the A2 is better in almost every area; reception, interface, speaker...
Well as you all may know, LG claims korean devices will get ics. We have been holding our breathe for a long time, suprised we are not all dead yet. Regardless, what does everyone think about the g2x and the current development that is going on? I myself am quite frustrated with it. I can get jellybean to build but it is still very much broken, and I refuse to release something that turns my device into a paperweight. I will open source my stuff before too much longer, just to see what others can do, but I do not see many people, deving, modding or even themeing anymore.
I personally like my g2x it stomps my galaxy nexus in quadrants (which means nothing, I just like the big numbers) but it also seems to handle games alot better. I have been through 6 defective ones but, I still hang on to it. I have sold all my other devices besides my nexus and my g2x.
I am sure I got off on the wrong foot with some people, however everything I said came true. Certain teams claimed other teams work as their own and refused to submit their minute changes upstream as required by the gpl they claim protects their rebranded work and now all further development has stopped. The more people that work on something the better off the chances are for success but yea.....anywho
This is not intended to be a flame thread or an i told you so thread. This is intended to find out what everyone thinks of the current development and state of their phone. I want to know what the average user would like to see. What is everyone looking for besides the perfect jellybean/ics rom because none of them will be perfect untill LG gets off its ass.
Sold. Got a Galaxy Nexus enjoying a 100% working ROM of Jelleybean 4.1
I am getting a Samsung Galaxy III when I come back from vacation.
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I don't mind if I don't get ICS, cm7 is stable as hell (using kameask or however you spell it), plus faux keeps up with kernels.
V6 super charger makes it twice as snappy, and testing out swapper again just to see.
But regardless, this phone does everything it needs to do at a very good pace. I don't mind if it doesn't get ICS . There isn't much benefit over it then what we have now.
I love the phone and the support from the community but despise the neglect from LG/nVidia. I was running different ROMs until I needed full bluetooth support on the v21y baseband so now I'm back on stock Gingerbread :-\
I bought this phone on contract with intentions of it being future proof and lasting the full 2 years. A year into my contract and the specs are still great on paper. A little bit more RAM would be nice but I can work with it. Just please LG, hook us up with ICS. I don't really want to cough up 400 bucks for a Galaxy Nexus...
I love my g2x...I have been messing around with Harsh's kernel for CM 7...(I even got a OC/UV version...hehe)...I thought about making a CM7 kang (with tweaks and what not)...or an AOSP GB ROM...but right now I'm in school...and debating if I should put the time and effort into development...I don't mind...I'm still learning about how kernels works...and would love to develop something (or at least help out) for our devices...
I like my g2x a lot. Bought it off eBay 7 months ago and have been impressed with the power this thing has. I am very distrought that we are 2 versions of android behind. Yes we have ICS but its not to the level of perfection I need and thus am still on GB. This is my 3rd android phone and I have never fallen this behind thanks to devs of xda.
I understand the driver/source code issues that are holding us back. If we can get a port of our Korean counterpart's ICS, then I will most likely just hold onto this phone for awhile longer.
My contract us up in 3 months and I could save money by going to a monthly plan. If we can't get fully functioning ICS though, I'll be hopping on the note 2. I'm getting the note 2 regardless, but would just like to wait till the right deal comes along instead of paying top dollar.
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There are still some ports showing up, but I see 2 things being a barrier to more/better dev activity -
1) Driver availability. Both ICS and GB. ICS ROMs are stuck on things needing HW acceleration, for example. The Froyo camera is almost fully ported to 2.3+ but not exactly. JB - even more so.
2) In call BT audio for new BB. Even though we can flash to have custom ROMs work with v21y, this function is still not working. That is a big reason why I have quit flashing the past few months.
I do like the phone and will keep it until it breaks.
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I love my g2x but its lagging seriously since i got it up too 132 using gps but running your rooted stock. My phone only likes stock roms cm based just force close everything. But ill keep it tell it dies
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I don't attempt to run ics or jb roms anymore, they still seem unstable. But I am quite content with gb, though I still haven't found a rom+kernel that solves everything. Either it lags or I get SOD/overheating. So far I like cm7 nightlies best, don't know which kernel to go with though.
Galaxy Nexus is on it's way. My G2X is just too buggy, but I am going to keep it as a backup. Plus I want to go to an unsubsidized plan as the rates are much cheaper. For the same price I pay now I can get unlimited talk, text and data, plus hotspot (which I am not paying for now but have been warned that it will soon be an additional $15/month). I make back the cost of the GNEX in one year with the better service and reduced rate.
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I don't mind if I don't get ICS, cm7 is stable as hell (using kameask or however you spell it), plus faux keeps up with kernels.
V6 super charger makes it twice as snappy, and testing out swapper again just to see.
But regardless, this phone does everything it needs to do at a very good pace. I don't mind if it doesn't get ICS . There isn't much benefit over it then what we have now.
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I like Kwes and BuruRom rooted stock in addition to Temasek's CM7. I've got my phone figured out. If/when (on CM7 based roms) data drops or MMS bugs cause me frustration, I just restore Nandroid back-ups of those rooted stock version(s). If I need to drive an HD movie out the HDMI port for my kids in the backseat, I have better results with Morfic's kernel/CM7. Yeah, the phone runs hot (gets unstable) when pushed hard. It still does all I ask of it - day in, day out. I plan to make it work till I am eligible to upgrade. I hope my replacement for my G2x won't need to be any bigger. I miss the days of being able to forget my cell phone is in my jeans pocket!
I am waiting for a new nexus phone to come out and i am going to buy that and ditch the g2x. I am still running Bionix Reloaded because it is the best rom I have found to date and I have no reason to switch. I tried some ICS roms but my battery died in a few hours and I barley got a data connection. I appreciate all of the hard work and development with the G2X but LG killed it by not releasing drivers. I find it really sad because the G2X is such a powerful phone. I think it is still competitive with current phones that are being released with the software being the only exception. I told myself I will never purchase a new phone unless it is a nexus phone due to the fact that they will get updates.
LG definitely lost my business for a long time.
Personally
I would love to develop for the G2x(I'm learning, but just barely) , but I can't see much that I am capable of doing right now. I'm gonna cook versions of CM7 and play with building kernels. We are in a holding pattern until the nVidia drivers come forward or the CM7 bluetooth thing gets resolved.
Going to keep the phone until at least Christmas, even later probably. My Nexus 7 has made my g2x have great battery life!
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Lol... I got my nexus 2 or 3 weeks ago and swore I would sell my g2x ( at one point I was contemplating having my friends form a firing line directly at the phone. Then sending the video to lg and nvidia, interrupted by Linus giving them the finger.) But I haven't. I really love the phone to be honest. I was lucky enough to get one without major screen bleed and it has only locked up on me twice (PC/UV kernels).. I'm seriously contemplating keeping it as a back up phone.
I do wish that nvidia and lg would hurry up with the update so I could play around with fully functioning jb Roms, but since I know nothing about coding, I'm no help.
I also notice fewer and fewer devs working on it. I hope they are just waiting for the drivers tho.
So all in all, I still have the phone, even though I have moved on.
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No more Korean phones
kwes1020 said:
...what is everyone looking for besides the perfect jellybean/ics rom because none of them will be perfect untill LG gets off its ass.
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Thanks for OP posing this topic. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the contributors in G2X sections, it has benefit me as a Wind Mobile customer in Canada.
I am am not looking for the next new Android OS, I just want a custom ROM that has little or no bloat-wear that is very stable and utilizes the phone's fullest potential. LG /or Wind Mobile has abandon the upgrade to our phone and it is stuck at 2.2.2. We screamed, we yelled, we petitioned and its not going any where. Therefore I will not buy/support any Korean manufactured phones in the future.
So, please keep up the good work.
Thank you,
Cody
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Thanks for OP posing this topic. I would like to take this opportunity to thank all the contributors in G2X sections, it has benefit me as a Wind Mobile customer in Canada.
I am am not looking for the next new Android OS, I just want a custom ROM that has little or no bloat-wear that is very stable and utilizes the phone's fullest potential. LG /or Wind Mobile has abandon the upgrade to our phone and it is stuck at 2.2.2. We screamed, we yelled, we petitioned and its not going any where. Therefore I will not buy/support any Korean manufactured phones in the future.
So, please keep up the good work.
Thank you,
Cody
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Agreed, the devs here have done a wonderful job. Though I don't blame them for moving to another device.
I am running ics(hellfire sandwich) on g2x. Except the camera everything seems to work. Waiting for jellybean. I dont think i will change my phone atleast this year. All the games run well. I am dissapointed cuz we are being ignored by lg and nvidia.
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