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I just finally dumped Big Red and came over to AT&T (combined contracts with my wife). I'm going from the HTC Incredible and purchased the Sammy Captivate. I was very active back in the Dinc forum, and would consider myself "Advanced" - I did some development, but wasn't yet at the level of ROM Cooking.
I got over here to the Captivate - I'm confused as hell. I've followed my own advice and read forum after forum after forum before posting anything - the Cappy just seems like Greek to me.
Here's what I'm picking up:
1. GPS is spotty, but not for everyone. Mine has always been dead on, but then again I'm not a first-adopter of the Galaxy S. Perhaps it was a batch issue?
2. ROMs seem significantly harder to cook for the Cappy. I see a bunch of leaks from the Froyo build, but it looks half-done at best. Don't get me wrong, I'm running Cognition and I love it for day to day use. I had read a bit online about the lag issues, but I didn't imagine they would be *this* prominent even after rooting and removing bloatware.
That's about it, really. I'm checking back in the forums every day. I'm loving the hardware on this phone - the screen is fantastic, and when the Cappy is fast it's FAST. But I've gotta admit I'm fairly dissapointed thus far with some of the User Experience pieces. The Samsung overlay has some nice attributes (the swiping in Contacts is great, for one), but there are other bits that are wholly frustrating about this phone (WHY would they make the buttons at the bottom time out before the screen, forcing you to touch the screen to get the buttons lit up again??).
OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
I must apologize, this has turned from a general "how do you do" to a vent-fest. I'd love to hear from any experienced and new users alike. Thanks!
hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).
What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.
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What WiFi issues are you having? I can't even "see" any WPA networks. I have a Verizon FiOS router and can't see it because I'm assuming the WPA security. I tried switching to WEP though and still couldn't see it. I've search all over the web and XDA and can't seem to find anyone complaining of the same issue.
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I haven't had any problems with Wifi and use WPA. I can see all of my networks (which are G, not N).
The button thing is kind of annoying, so I agree with you there. My GPS has been hit or miss, but I bought this phone used, so I'm not sure if it was a first batch model or not.
There's not much in the way of ROMs. There's stock and leaks, then there's Cognition and Eugene's, and that's about it. All of those are based on a leak or stock build, so they'll usually contain the same problems as the stock/leak build.
We're supposed to be getting a CyanogenMOD ROM sometime, or at least be able to port it...but I'm sure they can't do anything until Samsung releases the source for Froyo.
Anoter HTC convert here, but I came from the Pure.
GPS is definitely an issue. Mine improved with the OTA update to JH7. Its still not as accurate at highway speeds as the HTC.
HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.
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OH! And why did they switch "Home" and "Menu"??? I realize Samsung is a global company and that not all of their products are released Stateside, but it's still annoying.
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That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.
Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
The lag on the galaxy s phones is the result of samsung using rfs file system - rfs has a much slower input/output read/write than ext* file systems generally found on linux distros. This is the lag that is being refereed to in the lag fixes.
so as long as samsung continues to put out official roms with rfs file system there will always be an opportunity for a "lag fix" with ext2 (i.e. ryanza's OCLF) or ext4 (i.e. voodoo).
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GPS is hit or miss, but on the FroYo leak it has gotten much better, unfortunately Samsung released the phones with brand new hardware and apparently didn't test...
The lag is as mentioned another Samsung fubar along the lines of using an inferior file system.
I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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MikeyMike01 said:
That has NOTHING to do with Samsung. At all.
Do a little research and you'll see almost every phone has a different arrangement of the four buttons.
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I've done a lot of research, and I alluded to that point in my post. Survey the *American* market and empirically you will see that of the slate Android phones, most have the buttons in the order Home, Menu, Back, Search. And I would argue that it has everything to do with Samsung - unless you're implying that someone else designed the layout of the buttons on their device. After all, they are the reason the European variant of the i9000 has three buttons like the X10, correct?
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Funny.
dayv said:
Just going to answer the part of your question about the lag and lag fixes.
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Thanks, dayv. That's a good explanation and gives me some idea of where to go from here.
As for an update, turns out the WiFi issues were strictly hardware. After putting in a bridge with my FiOS router and still not getting any improvement, I took it back to Best Buy and swapped it out. Connected the second I got home. Unfortunately, the touch buttons were totally borked and I had to do a battery pull three times in 20 minutes because apparently the buttons would "touch themselves when they thought of me." In other words, you could see the buttons flash on and off, feel the haptic go crazy, and all kinds of strange stuff on the screen. Yet another swapout and I'm good to go.
I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.
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I think the reason for lack of ROMs is most people are waiting for FroYo to launch. We just got our first beta build leaked this week. Once source for the new kernel gets released, we should see a lot more activity as far as that goes.
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I imagine we can also add to this that the Captivate has only been out for not quite 3 months if I recall correctly. So between the newness and people holding their breath for Froyo I could understand people's hesitancy to invest a lot of time and energy in making a soon to be outdated ROM.
came from a tilt2 which is/was? still trying to develop android..it was pretty good but wow i can never go back to windows phone after that mess. freggin love this captivate thou...when it doesnt break lol. ive never had a phone that i seem to get ALL the known issues with and still decide to stick with getting a new one instead. I miss sense somedays but overall i still am willing to stick with a less "bogged down" OS that i can practically do the same with. if i can make the phone do what i need faster then screw the pretty screen gadgets lol
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HTC sense Rules compared to the UI in the Cappy. Im hoping that improvements will come as 2.2 is more widely adopted.
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I'm sorry but I to came from the htc aria, awesome little phone. I bought the aria because I thought the sense ui was pretty awesome. After using Cyanogen mods on the aria and playing with other launchers and now playing with tw launcher, sorry but sense ui is crap and for noobs . I got over the whole sense ui about a week of owning the aria and wasn't able to use it after adw and launcher pro.
Sorry had to post it. I just don't feel you can use an androids phone ui to bash another phone. I have only seen a few who use any androids phone stock ui any way and I'm one of them and as basic as it is it still makes sense ui look a babies toy.
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bytemare said:
hi I just came from HTC too, I had the Aira, but I broke it. When I went to the ATT store, I saw the Captivate and decided to try it. I'm with you -- the hardware specs are great, screen is beautiful, camera is better than aria, etc. But the programming is lame, especially compared to aria. I haven't had an issue with the GPS, but there are a tons of software issues on this phone, such as wifi just not working at times, the exchange email client almost unusable, lack of languages, lag, and those lights at the bottom like you mentioned. HTC sense is wonderful.
I'm also having a hard time figuring out all of the ROMS and etc out there. I did install one of the lag fixes and it's made quite a difference. I also installed the HPUSA thing but I don't know how to tell if it's actually working. Anyway, install the lag fix, it will definitely help. And if anyone knows of a fix for the wifi, I'd love to know what it is (One would expect that it would just work out of the box).
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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Not a chance lol the aria is awesome for its size but doesn't come close to the captivate , that's just my imo though. Only problem I have had with captivate is gps and I really don't use gps, so not that big of deal. The aria, like I said awesome for its size, just has to small of processor to do what the captivate can do. Most things lag on the aria games and movies almost un playable. I love my captivate.
I had bought an iphone4 for my wife to replace her old iphone. Well long story short , I turned a "i will not use anything else but iphone ! " the iphone 4 went back two weeks of having it cause of to many problems to we booth own captivates now and shes sold.
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besides the gps.... i am very satisfied. here is why.....
I woke up this morning and opened allshare to stream music from my synology diskstation. Got in the car and loaded up bluetooth to my moto speakerphone/radio transmitter. Put my captivate in my proclipusa mount and Loaded up pandora to stream to my car stereo... Loaded up the navigation for testing purposes and was on my way...
Both worked without issue on the commute in.. rocking to guerrillla radio and limp bizkit. Got some tweets and emails... and the phone took it like... IS THAT ALL YOU GOT!!!!
My blackberry 9700 would have exploded and for sure the "r" key would have flew straight into my forehead... where then people would ask me why i have an R indented in my head... is it for Retard?
I rate the phone 95% out of 100%. If you really have that much to complain about then you will never be happy with any phone.....
p.s. - for people who have captivates that reboot or shutoff, that has to be a defect and you need to get it replaced. My phone has never rebooted or shutoff by itself.
p.s.s. Gps isn't great... but the phone does everything else i need really well.
rant over.
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I also installed Eugene's Frankin-Twiz last night - it really helped improve just about everything. Hardly any lag at all and I'm liking the associated themes available. GPS on my new device works great too.
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If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.
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Curious because I'm considering returning the captivate for the aria (other than the Screen the Captivate Really Kinda Sucks). If you had it to do again would you pick the Aria over the Captivate?
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That's an interesting question. The aria costs a lot less than the captivate. As far as hardware goes, the captivate is superior: 16 GB RAM, the screen is awesome, the speaker is better (ringtones sound nicer) and the quality of phone calls, at least for me, is a lot better than the aria. Oh and the camera is LOT better on the captivate. I haven't had issues with the GPS (the aria locked on a little faster, but captivate performs well). The issues with wireless for me are really frustrating, but others don't seem to have an issue (wireless sometimes works, sometimes doesn't even though it's connected, I have no idea why).
Based on my experience, I'd rather have the captivate. It definitely takes more tweaking than the aria but in the 1 week I've had it, I think I got everything worked out. I definitely liked the sense UI and email client on the aria, but I can live with the UI and stuff on the captivate considering how much better the hardware is.
If anyone has any idea about how to fix wireless, I'd really appreciate it.
Yeah I'm not gonna lie, we really don't have much of choice on at&t . To me we only have two choices right now Aria or captivate. If at&t got a htc equivalent to the captivate then I would have a hard choice .
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If you like F-T you might like this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=791366
This has been a really stable rom with HSUPA enabled(no bluetooth issues) good GPS (for me) and a nice theme.
It is an international rom so all of the att crap is gone. No need for the sideloading crap.
I tried Cog beta 1,2, and 3 and F-T and I'm back to this rom. It's good for me until we get a good stable 2.2 rom.
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Thanks for the tip! I've never met a ROM that I wouldn't reflash if something else came along. I will try it out later tonight. Do you happen to know if the Twiz mods for custom fonts will flash ok?
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Ok, I was an early adopter of this phone bought it the day it came out July 18th. There are a great many things that disappoint me about this phone, main thing being lack of Froyo at the moment. I'm tired of waiting for samsung, I have little faith it will truely resolve my issues which are the following
In order to use wifi I must reboot my phone, this only occurred after the official JH7 was loaded on it through the over the air update that ATT did.
Constantly having lag all the time, and having apps running that I never ever use and dont want such as ATT Navigator, ATT Family Map, etc. I was able to root the phone and get rid of those but it really hasnt helped.
My stereo bluetooth headphones must be paired EVERY single time I want to use them, its not the headphones because they work perfectly with 4 other devices.
Of course the GPS, it sucks for everyone, any of these or all fix that? Samsung seems unwilling.
So maybe I'm wishing too much but I've watched almost every youtube review of the ROMs that are out there and theres a few details that stick out for things that I want in a rom so I'll detail them here and hopefully someone can point me in the right direction as to which one has the best combo.
1. froyo based, I need 2.2 for certain apps
2. I've heard theres different modems that can affect HSPA, I want fastest download and upload.
3. No wild color schemes, I dont like orange or green. I quite like the look of the phone I think samsung did a great job with the touchwiz and I know theres alot of you out there that perfer the "vanilla" versions of Android. I'm not one of those people. I really loved the look of the cognition rom and some of the things it had visually.
4. Overclocking would be nice but not at the expense of battery life, I'm right in the 24-30 hour range just as most are on here, better would be great if possible.
Go to romkitchen.org and build your own there. There are many threads about the advantages of one modem over another, and you can pick pretty much everything yourself. Then search for CLShortfuse's GPS fix and you'll be set.
Don't worry, its extremely easy
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24-30 hours of what kind of use? There are a couple roms out there with stock appearance
Cognition
Perception
Precision
Andromeda
Docs
30 hours, you have to consider what you are asking. I want faster dl, no lag, better gps, but I don't want to eat any more battery. It is possible to get 30hrs of light to moderate use. Heavy use will yield 12-18
Andromeda v1.2 is a rom that is pretty vanilla....simple and has the things your looking for. You have to try roms that you think will be what you want.
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Ok, I was an early adopter of this phone bought it the day it came out July 18th. There are a great many things that disappoint me about this phone, main thing being lack of Froyo at the moment. I'm tired of waiting for samsung, I have little faith it will truely resolve my issues which are the following
In order to use wifi I must reboot my phone, this only occurred after the official JH7 was loaded on it through the over the air update that ATT did.
Constantly having lag all the time, and having apps running that I never ever use and dont want such as ATT Navigator, ATT Family Map, etc. I was able to root the phone and get rid of those but it really hasnt helped.
My stereo bluetooth headphones must be paired EVERY single time I want to use them, its not the headphones because they work perfectly with 4 other devices.
Of course the GPS, it sucks for everyone, any of these or all fix that? Samsung seems unwilling.
So maybe I'm wishing too much but I've watched almost every youtube review of the ROMs that are out there and theres a few details that stick out for things that I want in a rom so I'll detail them here and hopefully someone can point me in the right direction as to which one has the best combo.
1. froyo based, I need 2.2 for certain apps
2. I've heard theres different modems that can affect HSPA, I want fastest download and upload.
3. No wild color schemes, I dont like orange or green. I quite like the look of the phone I think samsung did a great job with the touchwiz and I know theres alot of you out there that perfer the "vanilla" versions of Android. I'm not one of those people. I really loved the look of the cognition rom and some of the things it had visually.
4. Overclocking would be nice but not at the expense of battery life, I'm right in the 24-30 hour range just as most are on here, better would be great if possible.
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Andromeda v1.2 is a rom that is pretty vanilla....simple and has the things your looking for.
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+2 for Andromeda 1.2.
You can fix all of these if you root the phone. The best ROM out there is the Rom Kitchen (aka "Doc's ROMs") over at romkitchen.org. You can "cook up" your own ROMs using the specifications you want. This is what is so great about the ROM kitchen, especially when compared to the other ROMs like Cognition: you can pick what you want, and don't have to take whatever it was that someone else decided was best. For example, if you want the benefits of rooting but want to keep touchwiz, the ROM kitchen has an option for that. It also lets you pick things like the theme, boot animation, apps, etc. There are 5 captivate modems, and you might just have to experiment to see which one is best. I did this, and it was well worth it. The one that worked best for me was the XXJPP modem. Just load a seperate ROM with each of the different modems, flash each, and download a few things to see which is faster. Also check and see how well the GPS works on each.
Rooting will fix the lag, although one of the ROM kitchen kernels (Glitterball's Voodoo) will improve it even further. There is something called "Project Voodoo" which is a community of developers who build a kernel tweak called Voodoo which completely fixes the remaining lag issue (this is caused by the inefficient way the captivate organizes its folders), and also improves a few other features such as resolution.
You should go try out my ROM its small and fast and stable. I'm getting great battery life and DL/UL speeds. Give it a shot.
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Well I decided to go with the serendipity 5.9, I love the speed, my upload and download speeds almost doubled, bluetooth and wifi finally work like they are supposed to!!
I do have a few complaints though, like the keyboard for texting, I loved the samsung one, I hate swipe any way i can get the stock one back on there?
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Well I decided to go with the serendipity 5.9, I love the speed, my upload and download speeds almost doubled, bluetooth and wifi finally work like they are supposed to!!
I do have a few complaints though, like the keyboard for texting, I loved the samsung one, I hate swipe any way i can get the stock one back on there?
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Use the add on kitchen and add samsung keyboard. download zip and flash.
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I do have a few complaints though, like the keyboard for texting, I loved the samsung one, I hate swipe any way i can get the stock one back on there?
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It comes with the Gingerbread keyboard as well.
However, if you're still interested in the Samsung keyboard, it's in here:
http://serendipityrom.weebly.com/add-ons.html
I just found that, wow, short of having a flash on the camera and video chat this phone is now everything I could have ever dreamed of
Holy crap what a difference. Everything actually works and is super fast. I would be on cloud nine right now except for the fact I'm probably soon getting the Atrix, this will def hold me over till then.
Im using Precision 3.5 with the monochrome 3.5 theme. Its running the latest suckerpunch kernel. For sure my favorite combo I've tried so far. Its really amazing, not to mention dev'd by ryude, who is one of the best!
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Samsung Captivate running Serendipity 5.12 Paragon6 1200-100hz (uv'd and slightly oc'd) and I9000XXJVE modem. Almost have it edited/themed up how I want it. Need to get started on custom icons and I think I want to try my hand at a completely custom framework. Anyway, I was perfectly happy with 'dipity out of the box, but since I've flashed Paragon this phone is AMAZING. It's quite fast and the battery seems to last forever. Just now recharging for the first cycle after having to reflash my rom w/o a full battery, so after today I'll know for sure how long the battery last, but initially it seems like I'll get a day or so with my daughter constantly playing video's and games all day.
I have tried the team phoenix roms. I'm currently running phoenix 7.0 and am happy so far.
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I am running phoenix. 7 with latest paragon 1200 rom using uv and this is by far the best combo I have had yet. Using jl3 modem and call quality is great. I change roms almost daily and this one will be here for a while, I am happy with everything this combo has to offer and speed and battery life is excellent.
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Samsung Captivate running Serendipity 5.12 Paragon6 1200-100hz (uv'd and slightly oc'd) and I9000XXJVE modem. Almost have it edited/themed up how I want it. Need to get started on custom icons and I think I want to try my hand at a completely custom framework. Anyway, I was perfectly happy with 'dipity out of the box, but since I've flashed Paragon this phone is AMAZING. It's quite fast and the battery seems to last forever. Just now recharging for the first cycle after having to reflash my rom w/o a full battery, so after today I'll know for sure how long the battery last, but initially it seems like I'll get a day or so with my daughter constantly playing video's and games all day.
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...How quickly things change, now running Serendipity 6 with all the above still the same.. although I think I may flash the 1400 Paragon and try that out..
just went up to Serendipity 6.2 yesterday, same battery issues again im trying to do what I did last time to fix that part
busy day though, just got an ipad last night been trying to ha0xr that thing, no luck on jailbreaking 4.3 yet though
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just went up to Serendipity 6.2 yesterday, same battery issues again im trying to do what I did last time to fix that part
busy day though, just got an ipad last night been trying to ha0xr that thing, no luck on jailbreaking 4.3 yet though
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14:25:12 uptime, moderate use and I'm t 70%
I guess every phone is different...
im still working through my first charge after wiping the battery stats so im sure it will be better once I cycle through
In those screen shots posted how did you get those multiple icons at the bottom? i mean other than the stock serendipity theme. im running the redrom right now, i dont want to lose the red but i would like the more icons at the bottom other than the phone the :: for app tray and the globe for internet
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In those screen shots posted how did you get those multiple icons at the bottom? i mean other than the stock serendipity theme. im running the redrom right now, i dont want to lose the red but i would like the more icons at the bottom other than the phone the :: for app tray and the globe for internet
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I wouldn't mind knowing either. I'm thinking it's a different launcher, but I'm only guessing. Still kinda new to android.
Not trolling, but the phone was almost unusable. I'm wondering if your purchased phones out in the wild are better.
As I would try to swipe between application or home screens, the Charge would "stick" halfway through for about a second, then complete to the next screen. Even when it didn't stick, it was changing screens at maybe 5fps - very jerky. I saw that it had a live wallpaper running (pink/orange with vines swaying back and forth), so I moved to a normal wallpaper. That helped *slightly*, but it was still very laggy.
Sometimes it would completely miss the swipe and register as a click instead, launching the app I happened to start the swipe on. The apps launched quickly - the camera app was perfectly responsive. Makes me wonder if it's demo software they're running, or maybe the bloat UI-ware installed?
Did you guys notice anything similar on real phones, or does a different rom (unbloated) make things better?
I noticed similar issues on the Revolution in the store, but the Thunderbolt was working great. I'm deciding between the three phones and some feedback would be valuable. Thanks!
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Not trolling, but the phone was almost unusable. I'm wondering if your purchased phones out in the wild are better.
As I would try to swipe between application or home screens, the Charge would "stick" halfway through for about a second, then complete to the next screen. Even when it didn't stick, it was changing screens at maybe 5fps - very jerky. I saw that it had a live wallpaper running (pink/orange with vines swaying back and forth), so I moved to a normal wallpaper. That helped *slightly*, but it was still very laggy.
Sometimes it would completely miss the swipe and register as a click instead, launching the app I happened to start the swipe on. The apps launched quickly - the camera app was perfectly responsive. Makes me wonder if it's demo software they're running, or maybe the bloat UI-ware installed?
Did you guys notice anything similar on real phones, or does a different rom (unbloated) make things better?
I noticed similar issues on the Revolution in the store, but the Thunderbolt was working great. I'm deciding between the three phones and some feedback would be valuable. Thanks!
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So get a tbolt or revo. WTF kind of an answer did you expect on a Charge forum. Do a little reading. With minor tweaking the phone runs super fast. Move on troll.
I would go with the charge. It has the best battery life, screen, and is the lightest. Also it has an hdmi port. Once you install voodoo lagfix on it it runs as smooth as any phone at verizon. I had the tb and all it did was die and reboot on me. Also this phone doesn't have a bootloader so it's easy to root and such. The tb root process is long and the revolution has to be bootstrapped just to have a custom recovery which is annoying in the long run. Also sense roms are 180+mb while a touchwiz rom is only 110 mb. So there is my input. I say 1. Charge. 2. Thunderbolt 3. Revolution
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Unuseable HA!!
Thanks Papi - Helpful to know that voodoo lagfix works on this device. I thought it was only for Galaxy S devices. I couldn't find mention of anything different on the official voodoo website.
It's also helpful to hear real world comparison of someone who's had the TB and the Charge.
It seems weird that basically all phones coming out have something fundamentally broken with them: GPS won't fix, lag, reboots, camera quality, etc. You would think that at least one phone would come out and just *work*.
Suzook: Relax, man. I was asking if the demo software could be causing the lag. I searched both the Charge General and Charge Dev forums for the word "lag" and only came up with *one* result of a guy recommending OCLF on the market. That made me think it wasn't a common problem. Notice that I said the Revo showed the same problem - I'm not trying to diss your phone.
Geez. It's the internet. Don't take **** so seriously or you run the risk of giving people the impression that you're the drunk guy at the party who's angry and wants to fight, and nobody knows why.
DroidXcon: Holy ****! That's ridiculous! Clearly that phone is capable of much more than the VZW setup.
I never had lag on my droid charge but I am the type the of person who is a crackflasher and I love changing my phone. I never had problems with this phone ever. And ignore the others they troll everyone hahah you could make a thread called no lag here and they would troll and purposely lag there phones. Just relax and go get a charge. We love adding to a community
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Unbloated definitely helps.
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Suzook: Relax, man. I was asking if the demo software could be causing the lag. I searched both the Charge General and Charge Dev forums for the word "lag" and only came up with *one* result of a guy recommending OCLF on the market. That made me think it wasn't a common problem. Notice that I said the Revo showed the same problem - I'm not trying to diss your phone.
Geez. It's the internet. Don't take **** so seriously or you run the risk of giving people the impression that you're the drunk guy at the party who's angry and wants to fight, and nobody knows why.
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Its all good. Thought you were a troll. I have owned the tbolt, revo, and now Charge. IMO its the best of the 3. Its just my opinion though, everyone likes different things.
See our community is a loving troll one. I too love to occasionally rip someone apart but if it comes to buying a charge I am all for it. This phone has blown me away. Just download lagfix to increase the beauty.
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to each its own huh lol but I too come from the evo n its def faster than evo n lets not talk bout the LTE!!! whooo fire lol
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Not trolling, but the phone was almost unusable. I'm wondering if your purchased phones out in the wild are better.
As I would try to swipe between application or home screens, the Charge would "stick" halfway through for about a second, then complete to the next screen. Even when it didn't stick, it was changing screens at maybe 5fps - very jerky. I saw that it had a live wallpaper running (pink/orange with vines swaying back and forth), so I moved to a normal wallpaper. That helped *slightly*, but it was still very laggy.
Sometimes it would completely miss the swipe and register as a click instead, launching the app I happened to start the swipe on. The apps launched quickly - the camera app was perfectly responsive. Makes me wonder if it's demo software they're running, or maybe the bloat UI-ware installed?
Did you guys notice anything similar on real phones, or does a different rom (unbloated) make things better?
I noticed similar issues on the Revolution in the store, but the Thunderbolt was working great. I'm deciding between the three phones and some feedback would be valuable. Thanks!
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I can answer this since I have owned all three of those phones. ThunderBolt (sold it 5 weeks later) Revolution (nice phone, but was concerned about potential lack of Dev support) Charge (nice phone overall, awesome screen).
Yes the ThunderBolt is pretty darn fast and so the drain on the battery. It has a bit more RAM, but other than that the processor is identical to the one in the Revolution.
I had the Revolution for day and I had no lag at all with mine. Snappy, good feel overall, the UI wasn't an issue for me (its subjective) but it seemed as though dev support wasn't going to be there. Turns out XDA-Developers did in fact open a forum for it and its rooted, no more bing.
Charge, again snappy enough, but if there is anything causing a perceived slow down its Touchwiz and perhaps the rfs file system. Both of these are easily address, Voodoo lagfix swaps the file system from rfs to ext4 and voila you get your speed back and Touchwiz, well choose a custom ROM or a different launcher (most do anyways).
I also found the demo units in the store to be on par with each other, but who knows what has been done to the demo's you tried. If I had to choose based on overall product I would get the charge => Revolution => ThunderBolt. They all run 1ghz, and customized to do what you want but sometimes it takes a while for the devs to get everything we want.
The charge has issues with BT, battery life, reboots and lockups. I couldn't deal with it. The Charge is the ONLY one I could get to pair with my 2010 Subaru BT and that was key for me.
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If I had to choose based on overall product I would get the charge => Revolution => ThunderBolt. They all run 1ghz, and customized to do what you want but sometimes it takes a while for the devs to get everything we want.
The charge has issues with BT, battery life, reboots and lockups. I couldn't deal with it. The Charge is the ONLY one I could get to pair with my 2010 Subaru BT and that was key for me.
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Thanks for the awesome perspective. I've decided to grab a pair of Charges from Amazon while they're $149. One for me, one for the wife.
Quick question:
Do you actually mean the charge (in bold), or a different phone? Seems like it might be a typo...
He means the Thunderbolt
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My phone might be crazy but I get around 12 hours of strait use on my thunderbolt running @1. 4Ghz
And no reboots yet lol
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32+ 10Gb storage don't hurt either
THUNDERBOLT
Absolutely no lag here with altered beast. The only downside is remnants of touchwiz.
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OP here - Just received my Charge and wanted to followup. It did the EE4 update within about 5 minutes of turning the phone on, so EE4 is my only experience vs the phone in the store. And it's snappy. It isn't buttery smooth, but for a stock kernel without voodoo, it seems perfectly acceptable. It's my wife's phone, so I'll probably just leave it stock until she complains about lag - so far, so good, though!
Thanks for all of the comments.
Altered Beast is definitely awesome and fast. Just needs some work and TO BE UPDATED TO EE4
I'll probably be changing to AT&T and the Infuse 4G, coming from Sprint and an Evo 4G. I know I wont se anything like sense, besides the LauncherPro Sense Theme, and Sense is something I will greately miss a lot :'( but I just want to know what other features I might not see on the Infuse, and if possible also the benefits from switching. Also, is android 2.3.3 available for it? Cause I've been told its still on 2.2. And finally, testing an Infuse at an AT&T store I was unable to download music, it said the file was not supported (an mp3 file...) can the phone download music?? Or will I have to transfer music from my pc?
Sorry for all the questions, but those are the only thoughts/doubts keeping me from switching today as soon as stores open.
you might miss not having an FM radio. and the hdim requires An adapter that you might forget to carry. there is 2.3.3 on the Rogers infuse, soon the firmware will be flashable to the att infuse. now there is a custom rom beta and the final version is in there works that is 2.3.3
the mp3 problem is something that i haven't experienced but some people report it as an issue if the phone is on too long it starts giving file not supported error, i don't know why but i don't have that problem. this phone actually supports more codecs and wrappers than phones from any other manufacturer without 3rd party software. you can definitely download music too it. it also has a hifi headphone amp. multimedia is basically the focus of this and the galaxy s line.
Once you've realized the negative performance impact Sense had on your phone you probably won't miss it either.
Sense was a massive improvement for Windows Mobile phones. It was a minor improvement to the early Android user interface, but these days it's just a bloated step backwards.
as far as 2.3 goes, there is a beta rom in the dev section, and there is also an official AT&T update coming in the next few weeks.
I too came from Sprint / Evo 4G. Here are the pros / cons as I see them, in order of importance to me.
Pros
Battery life
Thin form factor
Weight
Screen
Network speed
Voice / data simultaneously
Cons
GPS
Game compatibility
Speaker volume
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Once you've realized the negative performance impact Sense had on your phone you probably won't miss it either.
Sense was a massive improvement for Windows Mobile phones. It was a minor improvement to the early Android user interface, but these days it's just a bloated step backwards.
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I agree. I had the inspire and the whole sense experience while really cool seemed like a huge resource hog. Couple that with htc already crappy battery and the phone can't even last a day. Sorry but I really don't need all that bloat that is sense.
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BTW, the Gingerbread ROM seems to have MAJOR GPS performance improvements in my opinion.
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BTW, the Gingerbread ROM seems to have MAJOR GPS performance improvements in my opinion.
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Mine is kinda being poopy today long lock waits
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Mine is kinda being poopy today long lock waits
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lets wait on a better release with a fully working kernel, gps didnt work for me at first. i got mine working good by starting with the jz3 mod and changing a few things, it wouldn't seem to work without secure socket on the supl settings enabled, i took the last two lines out of the gps.conf from jz3.
Only thing I have to add is that the inability to download certain file types may be compounded by the infuse but is also a known froyo issue.
The best work around I've seen for the majority of people is to install astro file manager and then in preferences check the box labeled "enable browser download".
Step by step... install astro, open it, press menu button, scroll down to "Enable browser download", check that and press the back button until you've exited the app. This will act much like the built in download manager in gingerbread. If you have trouble locating downloads that used to go to the tapatalkxdapre folder look in the normal download folder.
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Once you've realized the negative performance impact Sense had on your phone you probably won't miss it either.
Sense was a massive improvement for Windows Mobile phones. It was a minor improvement to the early Android user interface, but these days it's just a bloated step backwards.
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I agree as well. The first time you use Sense, it's like wow! Look how beautiful it is. After you try something else, you'll like how clean it is and how much the bells and whistles bog the device down. I now call Sense bloat .
i dont think sense is beautiful at all. it has a cool weather widget, that's it. the launcher is ugly, the menus have too many options, the colors are ugly, too many greys, really outside of the widget i dont see anything about sense that says wow. thoguh vanilla android was pretty gross untill gingerbread came out. touch wiz is ok but i like the hybrid of tw3+tw4 icons+aosp status bar and icons in gtg's rom. that should be what the phone looks like out of the box. and there should be some better widgets.
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I agree as well. The first time you use Sense, it's like wow! Look how beautiful it is. After you try something else, you'll like how clean it is and how much the bells and whistles bog the device down. I now call Sense bloat .
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So essentially you're calling sense....non...sense...?
/rimshot
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i dont think sense is beautiful at all. it has a cool weather widget, that's it. the launcher is ugly, the menus have too many options, the colors are ugly, too many greys, really outside of the widget i dont see anything about sense that says wow. thoguh vanilla android was pretty gross untill gingerbread came out. touch wiz is ok but i like the hybrid of tw3+tw4 icons+aosp status bar and icons in gtg's rom. that should be what the phone looks like out of the box. and there should be some better widgets.
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agreed. And what's the deal with sense having a "customize" icon in that bottom part when you have the menu button just below it that takes you to the same thing?!
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Can you wait just a bit ? Samsung is releasing the Galaxy S2 on ATT sometime in August or early September the latest.
That phone will be much better than the Infuse, plus have tons of developers supporting.
I might switch to the S2 on ATT too, Sprint's service is really going down. 3G speeds are super bad, like 100k/sec at times in Chicago. And 4G if you can keep a signal is the slowest 4G compared to Verizon's LTE and ATT HSPE
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Well first off, i want to thank everybody for their replies, and second appologize for not replying Ive been a little bussy , so after reading all of the replies and asking around ppl who switched to the infuse, Im more convinced than ever that it wont be any dissapointment in any aspect to get an infuse since it would practically be an upgrade. For the speaker, ill miss my Evo's since its sooooo loud, I use the PowerAmp EQ and an app called Equalizer and it really boosts the volume, I'll surely be trying it on the Infuse and see if its any louder. Also as gregj100 mentioned game compatibility, I hope the games I love and really use do work on the phone. Aside from that, if I ever do miss Sense, I read theres a solution: download LauncherPro and download the SenseUI theme, so Im good with that. And as far as music, in any case I'd just transfer it from my pc if the phone doesnt want to download a song for some reason , so yeah Im really looking forward to the switch to the Infuse ;D once again thanks to everyone for the helpful replies.
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Can you wait just a bit ? Samsung is releasing the Galaxy S2 on ATT sometime in August or early September the latest.
That phone will be much better than the Infuse, plus have tons of developers supporting.
I might switch to the S2 on ATT too, Sprint's service is really going down. 3G speeds are super bad, like 100k/sec at times in Chicago. And 4G if you can keep a signal is the slowest 4G compared to Verizon's LTE and ATT HSPE
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I agree with u that AT&T is better and much much faster, plus here at home Sprint reception is horrible and they suggested an "Airave" system which I'd have to pa an extra $5 a month, its like im paying to get bad reception and I have to pay even more to get good reception -_-, but anywas I just dont like the 2GB limit, but I can get used to it since I wont use data at home cause I have WiFi ;D, so as far as AT&T Vs Sprint I have no problem switching there either, and as for Galaxy S2, I never was a Galaxy fan but the S2 is really a great improvement, now I'd just have to get used to the square at the bottom instead of all 4 keys (home, menu, back, search) though I never really used search.
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I agree with u that AT&T is better and much much faster, plus here at home Sprint reception is horrible and they suggested an "Airave" system which I'd have to pa an extra $5 a month, its like im paying to get bad reception and I have to pay even more to get good reception -_-, but anywas I just dont like the 2GB limit, but I can get used to it since I wont use data at home cause I have WiFi ;D, so as far as AT&T Vs Sprint I have no problem switching there either, and as for Galaxy S2, I never was a Galaxy fan but the S2 is really a great improvement, now I'd just have to get used to the square at the bottom instead of all 4 keys (home, menu, back, search) though I never really used search.
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the att varient of the gs2 wont have the centered home, anyway you will need to get used to the galaxy s button locations which are different from the evo.
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I agree. I had the inspire and the whole sense experience while really cool seemed like a huge resource hog. Couple that with htc already crappy battery and the phone can't even last a day. Sorry but I really don't need all that bloat that is sense.
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I came from an inspire as well. While it was a good phone, work picked up my cell and that allowed me to try out the infuse. I absolutely LOVE this phone. Personally, I enjoy it much more the my Inspire (which i gave to my mother-in-law).
Anyway, it's been a while since i had a phone this awesome (was on a long line of iPhone trend before my Inspire).
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the att varient of the gs2 wont have the centered home, anyway you will need to get used to the galaxy s button locations which are different from the evo.
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hm didnt know about the button, I guess thats good for me , and about the buttons yeah when I tried powering on an Infuse for the first time I was trying to find the power button on top, until i looked and saw it on the side ;P just a little getting used to on both phones regardless of which I choose to go for.
i just traded my htc vivid for my bros samsung infuse. I loved the vivid but my bro wants it and infuse was mine in the first place. did some swapping around with my brothers. I just hate the stock rom and all the bloatwares. Can someone recomment a smooth stable rom for the infuse? also one that can tether.
Which Rom is a personal preferance.
I currently run F1 Innovation, Fast, Stable and smooth. Not sure about tethering.
F1 Innovation
Check out the super thread: Infuse Super Thread
The current miui does tethering very stable and fast. Also the battery drain seems to be fixed which is a huge plus.
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Still i haven't installed it but I read that CyanogenMod 7 works flawlessly on the Infuse. I read you can use it to connect usb devices to your phone so i guess it can do pretty anything, tethering included.
The only thing that seems to work crappy is audio through bluetooth but i bet it's not a big problem : bluetooth is one of the most stupid and unsecure tecnologies ever invented.
You will find on this forum tons of informations about roms...just read it!
I have a preference for Infuse based ROM on my infuse.
they are listed in the dev section under superthread
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i just traded my htc vivid for my bros samsung infuse. I loved the vivid but my bro wants it and infuse was mine in the first place. did some swapping around with my brothers. I just hate the stock rom and all the bloatwares. Can someone recomment a smooth stable rom for the infuse? also one that can tether.
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Don't install a Samsung based rom, which is everything but CM7 or MIUI. Both CM7 and MIUI are AOSP based. MIUI is too much like iOS for my liking. I have been running CM7 on my infuse since I got it, and before that on my inspire, and before that on my captivate. CM7 is the only way to go.
For what it's worth, I'm running CM7, the newest nightly on 1/19. Very stable (some apps I had while running stock Froyo or Infused 2.2.3? would force close alot, not on CM7, but it's a very selective few apps I use for work), very smooth, very fast, overclockable to at least 1.4 gHz for most people. Some people do 1.6 gHz but it's not stable for my phone. You can undervolt it by some amounts for that extra battery savings, and it's constantly having features added to it, like T9 dialing that I discovered was included (much MUCH love for this small thing).
For all the added features, I regularly go through my phone and make sure I don't have apps that do things that are now part of the phone, so I keep the app list short and sweet. Having redundant features means that 2 things are trying to do the same thing, and I'd rather punch out my battery more and more without giving up some conveniences I had Dialer One on my phone, and it's not that great looking, but I had it just for the T9 dialing. Once I saw that CM7 had a T9 dialing feature, I uninstalled Dialer One. The music app, while not as heavy on the eye candy, made me get rid of Doubletwist and Airsync. Airsync never really worked great, for me at least.
CM7 doesn't have fully working bluetooth on the Infuse, some people have trouble with auto brightness (my personal preference is that I'd rather use the status bar slider to adjust brightness), and HDMI out doesn't work. It also has some extra niceties, such as theming, a DSP Manager app (that controls audio levels and equalizers), and is pretty much always being updated.
The drop down bar can be customized almost entirely, and because bluetooth doesn't work, not that I want it, I got rid of that icon. I replaced it with a screen timeout toggle. It has many more options than that.
One thing, and I don't think this is CM7 exclusive, is that sometimes my text messages won't send. I'm using GOSMS as my messaging app until the stock messaging app starts sending ALL of my texts. MMS relies on a data connection so I tend to pull the drop down and enable that when I want to send a picture or download one. Once it starts working the same way, I'm uninstalling GOSMS because it tends to be heavy and sometimes lags up noticeably.
I don't use bluetooth, and I don't think I've ever opened that HDMI dongle packaging, much less tried to use it. While it would be nice if they functioned, I get from day to day without even thinking about those. Your mileage may vary.
I'll throw my support behind CM7. I briefly tried ZEUS, but switched back after a couple days.
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The only way to get a rom that has everything working like it should is to flash an infused based rom ...NOT an aosp rom..... cm7 is good if you don't need Bluetooth....as cm7 and miui use a different bt stack then Samsung ...so in my opinion that issue wont be fixed....and they have been known to have data issues....flash ANY of the infuse based Rome if you want complete functionality....period
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Like others say if you need BT audio or HDMI stick with Samsung roms. I could care less about both, i have been bouncing back and forth between CM7 and MIUI for months now whenever there is a noteworthy update. Both are very quick and clean in my opinion and you can't go wrong with either one. I have tried most Samsung roms available but they are always short lived on my device...they always feel as if lacking something. Props to the devs for making them available though!!!
thank guys for the responses.. I am currently running the cm7.. looks great and smooth but i got a few issues maybe its the phone itself.
first: seems like my internet/wifi doesnt stay on at times or its not using wifi even tho its turned on.
second: the browser seems to be very slow and it force closes at times maybe it the site that i go to. ESPN scoreboards, i bet a lot so i check scores frequently and open a lot of pages.
third: yeah, battery does seem to go fast maybe because of the excessive use of the web.
BTW do you guys have to put in any apns?? I didnt'.
I don't think it's your phone. I'm still new at this, but as I understand it, you can make/flash tweaks and different modems that may help with the issues you encounter. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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thank guys for the responses.. I am currently running the cm7.. looks great and smooth but i got a few issues maybe its the phone itself.
first: seems like my internet/wifi doesnt stay on at times or its not using wifi even tho its turned on.
second: the browser seems to be very slow and it force closes at times maybe it the site that i go to. ESPN scoreboards, i bet a lot so i check scores frequently and open a lot of pages.
third: yeah, battery does seem to go fast maybe because of the excessive use of the web.
BTW do you guys have to put in any apns?? I didnt'.
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I'm on cm7 and I keep going back to it everytime I flash something new. It just works the best for me. As for data issues, you need to setup the apn fix listed in n0ctrnl's compiled cm7 thread. It's in the original post I believe. Also I flashed the latest modem (uckl2) found in the sticky of development section for modems
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first: seems like my internet/wifi doesnt stay on at times or its not using wifi even tho its turned on.
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Go to wifi settings, hit menu button and go to advanced. Under wifi sleep policy choose never. Should fix the wifi connection issues your having.
I've tried many, but Zeus is the best one that's fully functional (BT and HDMI).
if i flash the miui rom, can i just wipe data and cache than flash the rom? or do i need to do something else?
currently on cm7...
Check out Z*E*U*S ROM.
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Definately Zeus for now. It's snappy, everything works and theres even a few themes as well as an ICS launcher. All the AT&T bloat has been removed. I used to prefer stock, but Zeus made me convert. It's just more responsive than any other rom for the Infuse.
It's all a matter of personal preference. I've run about 12-15 different ROMs on my Infuse so far. I keep coming back to Sensation 1.1. I really like being able to edit my status bar.
I didn't care for the camera in CM7, but it is a very nice running ROM. Only thing I miss is not having an extended power menu.
Just play with a bunch of them until you find one you like.
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It's all a matter of personal preference. I've run about 12-15 different ROMs on my Infuse so far. I keep coming back to Sensation 1.1. I really like being able to edit my status bar.
I didn't care for the camera in CM7, but it is a very nice running ROM. Only thing I miss is not having an extended power menu.
Just play with a bunch of them until you find one you like.
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just download "quickboot" from the market....try it if you haven't