Hi all,
Does anyone else have a problem with sense keep restarting everytime they close an application? It keeps going to the white screen with HTC on and loading sense again. I have tried closing any open apps and system processes but it doesn't seem to sort the issue
Any ideas would be brilliant guys
Thanks
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Not every application but it Does happen here
I got so sick of that.. Decided to use Go launcher EX and now the phone is quick and responsive. No white screen and spinning wheel.
Keeps happening with me... Espically after i do browsing using mozilla firefox
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Same here I also have the same issue..any solution?other then go launcher.
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nothing you can do about it really.. sense is killed off while running certain apps, probably those that are more memory intensive to free up enough ram. Then after closing those apps it has to reload.
Rosie on the stock Rom isn't forced to stay in memory, so it can get killed when you are out of Ram. I'm pretty sure some custom Roms are forcing it to stay in memory, and that helped me while I was still using the stock home screen.
Reason I went with LPP. That's the only hassle with a device with it's own memory management.
Same problem here...
Does anyone have an idea?
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I went with Launcher Pro Plus here too. I love the Sense launcher more than anything, but the constant reloading just got to be too much. Hopefully HTC can release an update to fix it.
yeh, this is really starting to pi$$ me off now and i thought this phone was suppose to be the flagship launch for htc and something like this is totally ruining it for me
I've only had that happen very infrequently regardless of rom. One thing to keep in mind is that its not entirely HTC's fault. If rosie relaunches after you close an app then the app you were running was possibly poorly coded allowing its RAM usage to run out of control (with the exception of apps that just need that much RAM).
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I also experience this annoying thing. And I also think its related to the lack of free RAM and android having to kill sense to free up some RAM.
This is totally HTCs fault!! its obvious that the amount of RAM on this supposedly flagship device isn't enough to handle the new sense. I've never seen something like this on my desirehd and I use the same apps on both devices...
The only thing i can recommend is to install custom rom. I had this problem too but after installing custom rom (which has some RAM optimalization) my problem was solved
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I also experience this annoying thing. And I also think its related to the lack of free RAM and android having to kill sense to free up some RAM.
This is totally HTCs fault!! its obvious that the amount of RAM on this supposedly flagship device isn't enough to handle the new sense. I've never seen something like this on my desirehd and I use the same apps on both devices...
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So hardware manufacturers are supposed to throw in gobs of RAM to account for poor coding by third party developers and drive up their costs in the process? They have no way of knowing what apps you'll run and if they work properly.
I'm not sure of the technical terminology but basically it comes down to this: when apps are backgrounded they are supposed to enter a dormant state except for apps that utilize background updates or have some other specific need to maintain an active state while backgrounded. When dormant, they can freely be killed to free up RAM. Background apps holding an active state are only killed when there are no dormant apps that can be killed. The problem occurs when too many background apps hold an active state for no reason. This forces the OS to start killing active apps like rosie. The OS doesn't know how important your active apps are but it knows that rosie isn't that important in the whole scheme of things. The problem can also occur when an app's RAM needs are high or are allowed to climb out of control. In that case, killing all the dormant apps might not be enough to meet the app's RAM needs.
When an app on your pc has a RAM leak and its RAM usage climbs uncontrolled until your pc crashes, do you blame the pc manufacturer for not equipping it with enough RAM?
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I was experiencing this a lot when I was on stock ROM.
I want to join the argument for custom ROMs. Ever since flashing LeeDroid I have not experienced this at all.
Another vote here for a custom ROM. When I was on stock ROM it happened to me a lot, especially when exiting FireFox. Haven't had any of that madness since I started flashing custom ROMs.
Same issue here and it's starting to make me want to go back to my HTC HD 2 which had none of these issues :-\
I was having the exact problem ! BUT I found the reason --> 'spare parts' If u have this sw installed in your phone u have 2 options:
1. Set activity/process management to NORMAL instead of aggressive
2. Just uninstall the SW if u really no need it
See U !
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Hi all
Long-time lurker here.
I recently got the OTA Sense 3.0 update and I’m disappointed with it for a number of reasons – found a fair few bugs and there’s some aesthetic changes I don’t like (the Android+Sense interface is increasingly a mess!). Hate the 3D homescreen thing. Someone should tell HTC that flat is in!
But my main problem is that since the update the phone’s been generally very laggy. Scrolling everywhere is slower than before and can be very jerky. Overall the phone just isn’t as responsive as before. And here’s the weird thing – the new HTC task manager and other third party task managers are reporting only a total of 596 MB of memory available. Obviously the phone has 768 MB of RAM so I’m wondering if something weird is going on here? Has the new firmware somehow zapped the usage of the rest of the memory and therefore this is what’s causing the slow-downs? Or is it just that it’s showing the available memory minus Sense? Does anyone know what the deal is? I’m assuming other people are also seeing that RAM anomaly?
Thanks all – I look forward to hearing any theories and thoughts on this!
Cheers
Ben
The RAM is reserved for the Android core apps. You will see less with this new update as the phone requires more RAM.
Remember having less free RAM doesn't make your phone slower... Of anything it will be faster as the data is saved in the RAM..
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Ah ok, thanks for that - explains the anomaly.
I still think this update is laggy as hell. Shame. I much preferred the previous version. Hmmm, might be time for a root! I just wish there was a relatively straight forward way to root from this update. The idea of first having to revert to an old HBOOT and then do all the S-OFF, root and flash stuff kind of scares me.
Has anyone rooted from the new Sense 3.0 update? Is there a step-by-step process?
Thanks
Ben
Strange as I tried another OTA updated stock phone today and was quite impressed over how fast it actually was.
I know that this is severe but I'd possibly try a full reset and then look at speed after you've setup again.
I believe that you should still be able to unlock using HTCDEV site and then flash custom ROMS which remove the 3d side of sense.....with the super smooth 2d rosie fixes.
Yep, super smooth 2d is still 3d, but the wodgets have a 2d element, and its much faster.
Many people find it laggy after updating, but if they wipe and update it is fine
Agreed. Do a full factory reset and in fact you will hopefully find your phone faster than before. I did. Loading apps from the setup - manage apps screen takes about 2 seconds max whereas before it to at least 5
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My desire after update just fly
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What about in app scrolling though guys, particularly in the browser? I'm finding this very slow and jerky. And in Google Reader and other content-based apps. Are you seeing this? The scrolling's horrible here. Want to check before I do a full reset!
Here's some bugs I've noticed too:
- The HTC Bookmarks widget. Scrolls very slowly.
- The bookmarks page in the browser no longer has a scroll bar.
Ben
Ben Zero said:
What about in app scrolling though guys, particularly in the browser? I'm finding this very slow and jerky. And in Google Reader and other content-based apps. Are you seeing this? The scrolling's horrible here. Want to check before I do a full reset!
Here's some bugs I've noticed too:
- The HTC Bookmarks widget. Scrolls very slowly.
- The bookmarks page in the browser no longer has a scroll bar.
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No problems here. Do a hard reset
Backup your stuff first!
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I dont know wherw you have problem , i got update a prety long time now ago and it runs better then old rom. I didnt hard reset it just updated and he saved all in phone no problems nothing. Works perfect. I know quadrant dont say nothing but i can score 1900+ and its not rooted and overclocked
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I believe that you should still be able to unlock using HTCDEV site and then flash custom ROMS
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Do you know if the HTCDEV site performs both an S-OFF and a root to the Desire S? In other words, can I then just go ahead and flash a ROM?
Thanks
Ben
Self explanatory.
Seems silly, but a custom rom CAN fix this can't it? Since I'm hearing many people say to root, and freeze sense while using another launcher. Does that actually work? And if not, does or can a custom rom one? I'm coming from a GS2 which did it by default so I never noticed this as a feature that needed to be "fixed" before so I don't know what the limitations are in creating it.
Freezing Sense will help alleviate the symptoms of the problem, but it will still exist. The general consensus seems to be that it's probably at the kernel level, so custom kernels, not roms, could fix it. And there are a few hurdles we have to overcome before that'll happen.
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Supposedly apps that allow you to adjust min free make it better but root is required. I'm playing with minfree manager myself
I think I understand what the multitasking "bug" entails. But, in layman's terms is it simply something in OS or kernel which kills off running background processes w/o prompting the user?
For instance, i use google music a lot to stream music in the background. If i'm using the messaging app or other apps, could my music app die as a result of this "feature" even though i want everything to keep running?
To answer your question, yes a custom can fix the multitasking to the way it's supposed to be.
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Hi folks,
I've just done a bunch of freezing in tibu to free up some ram (I use go launcher ex, ram pig with ics) and I want to trim the fat even more. Can I freeze any of the following?
Google services
Secphone
Device management
Media
Google account manager
Package access helper
Badge provider
Csc
Bluetooth test
Sec storage
Com.sec.provider.download
Drm protected
Download manager
I think I've frozen as much as I can safely (used a list in seanscreamz ics thread, view my last posts to see it) without borking things up, but I'm a ram junky, and would like peak efficiency.
Thanks in advance!
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device management
Frozen!
Looking to improve my CPU float point and overall benchmark.
Anyone have any tips? I've already loaded the v6 script, but am looking to get as much performance as possible, safely.
I am a heavy device user, as I'm in the cellular industry and am constantly using or showcasing my device(s).
The skyrocket is the one I use as my main, and the only one I've bothered to flash stuff on, because its my favorite device to date, even over the one x, note or the LTE HD that bell has (basically a skyrocket, but it just doesn't feel...right. I dunno.)
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Heres a spreadsheet from the international version, a lot are the same as our phone
https://spreadsheets.google.com/spr...1gdDJRekl4QmkyNmIzUmRvX2h3UDVkQXc&output=html
Yeah, that's the list I used to freeze stuff. Thanks though! There is still a lot of stuff on the na variant that's not on there, I'm not familiar enough with Android architecture yet to play around with confidence, yet, but I am trying! Hopefully by jellybean I'll be able to contribute some mods or roms! Already have a few themes, but appdroid (aside from being insanely helpful, like yourself and iceknight) has themes locked down
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Hey guys,
I've used a lot of Sense 4 ROMs on my Sensation, and back in February or March I remember saying to someone "you know, it seems like even though Sense 4 uses less RAM, all my recent apps have to reload like I'm on my old iPhone".
At that, the whole thread yelled at me and called me stupid, but we now know Sense 4's memory limits were drastically altered by HTC for better battery life and Sense performance.
So my question is, as somebody considering the One S, have you guys had similar problems with not being able to keep many recent apps in memory? And if you've found a way to solve this... does Sense 4 slow right down?
Just curious as I might buy one (hopefully the S4 version even though I'm in Asia, fak you HTC) in the next few weeks but couldn't live with the constant redraws and inability to go from messaging to browser and back without the browser refreshing
Cheers!
Sense 4 is great, However, Its a massive RAM hog and has this tendency to reload itself whenever it gets the chance.
Multitasking is pretty impossible. Not sure what HTC did here but its down right ridiculous !! we have one of the best processors on the market, Combined with a massive amount of RAM (for a phone) and we cannot multi-task.
This is a major error and im hoping now the kernel source code is out, that some kernel tweaks will help defeat this issue.
Doesn't bother me. Behaves pretty much the same as my Sensation did on any ROM (Sense 3.6/4 or de-Sensed).
Definitely same problem on t-mobile (with just the stock ROM). Multitasking is basically non-existant, despite having, in general, 200 MB of ram free.
edit: not trying to imply being on t-mobile has anything to do with it, just specifying its the US version
I am definitely having major multi-tasking problems. It is terrible, much worse than Sensation, possibly worse than G1. I am probably gonna return mine and get the T-Mobile GSIII.
I just got the update, and it seems like it might be *slightly* better. Then again, it could be my imagination.
Is it any better with custom roms or is it all kernel source related?
The multitasking experience on the stock un-rooted rom was utterly innexistant on my part. Ie: Google reader > Read big article in Firefox (B) Browser > Return to Reader but it has to reload because it was closed. The built-in task manager rarely reported more than 150mb on my device and it acted like it refused to use the last 100mb. With a custom ROM and tweaks (mainly if you disable the Sense launcher/widgets), I rarely see app reload in short time use. Don't expect to see open your app you closed the day before tho.
You could wait to use CM9 and have twice more free RAM but notice that you will loose the device's special features like ImageSense, Beats (and SRS/Dolby), native DLNA, native Dropbox and other online services, etc...
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The multitasking experience on the stock un-rooted rom was utterly innexistant on my part. Ie: Google reader > Read big article in Firefox (B) Browser > Return to Reader but it has to reload because it was closed. The built-in task manager rarely reported more than 150mb on my device and it acted like it refused to use the last 100mb. With a custom ROM and tweaks (mainly if you disable the Sense launcher/widgets), I rarely see app reload in short time use. Don't expect to see open your app you closed the day before tho.
You could wait to use CM9 and have twice more free RAM but notice that you will loose the device's special features like ImageSense, Beats (and SRS/Dolby), native DLNA, native Dropbox and other online services, etc...
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Are you happy, overall, with the device?
Coming from an LG G2x.
This is what I did to get my S4 (tested on 3 phones) running stock ROM without any stuttering.
Phones/Network: 1 Koodo unlocked on Bell Network, 1 Telus running on Telus, 1 Bell running on Bell.
Root: All phones rooted
Network: LTE disabled, search for Wi-Fi Disabled
Removed or Frozen apps with Titanium Backup (paid version)
Chaton - Frozen
City Video - Frozen
Commande Blurb - Frozen
Courriel - I suppose this is the basic email samsung app but with a french name - Frozen (I Use K-9)
EpsonPrintService - Frozen
GPS Navigator - Frozen
HP Print Service - Frozen
Knox Store - Frozen
Polaris Office - Frozen
S Calendar - Frozen
S Memo - Frozen
S Note Provider - Frozen
S Traducteur(probably S Translate for most of you) - Frozen
S Voice - Frozen
Samsung Apps - Frozen
Samsung Apps Widget - Frozen
Samsung books - Frozen
Samsung Games - Frozen
Samsung Hub - Frozen
Samsung Knox - Frozen
Samsung Learning - Frozen
Samsun Link - Frozen
Samsung Watchon - Frozen
Samsung hubupdater - Frozen
TalkBack - Frozen
I also removed all third party apps like these:
Google apps: Removed (Books, music, movie, etc), I kept Play, Maps, Gmail and Search
All Yahoo apps - Removed
Flipboard - Removed
Facebook - Removed
Twitter - Removed
All crappy S4 features (eyes, movement/gestures, etc) are turned OFF
I run S-Health 24/24
I only kept 1 app from Bell, the one giving me informations about what I used (data plan and voice plan)
I dont know anything about making custom ROMs. Those settings give me a great Android experience with my S4. I have no explanation regarding why I froze or removed those apps.
I tried 2 of the most popular ROMs on XDA an none of them could match my stock settings (except for battery life, it was a little better than what I had with my settings using Goldeneye and a custom kernel).
Background:
Programmer (and teacher)
Network Admin (Linux and Microsoft)
Technician
My point: Those who experience lag/stuttering should look deeper into Touch Wiz. The worst experience I ever had with my S4 was with a highly popular ROM on XDA. It was suppose to be fast. Well, it wasnt for me and a few others.
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
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Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Huh?
Freezing an APP wont make the GS4 faster - that I agree with
and I think what you meant to say was:
Freezing the apps because they are using up battery (juice?) - right?
If that is what you were saying then that doesnt make sense. That assumes that the more dormant applications on your phone, the shorter the battery life.
If I take out my battery and keep it out for an hour, a day, a week...and plug it back in I have the same apps.
I have the same apps regardless of power.
Is not about having a Faster phone is about having NO LAG. Even the faster ROM in this site lags sometimes. It is fast as hell, but you do get the occasional Lag.... The only way to have a Lag free experience in the S4 is by using the Google Edition rom.
What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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I hear you my Brother i got 2 SG4 And the one, That's AT&T Stock Rom Odexed the way it came no lag at all and That's Stock one, The other is on My Deadly Venom SG4 which i still haven't released Deodex still working more stuff before i release it here and no type of lag at all so i'm with you on this one!:good:
Here's more apps to freeze if interested as posted from verizon s4 section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42351535#post42351535
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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Really? You're going to report people who complain about the thing that literarily THOUSANDS of people complain about and that you still think is 'fake'? Every web site that I've read of people who were die hard iPhone users and finally switched to Android always mention that ONLY the Nexus/Google Edition phone did that for them. All others with their proprietary frameworks/skins were too laggy/slow compared to the iPhone.
So no, there is definitely 'unreasonable' lag.
There are two issues though, 1) people misuse the word lag 2) people are not all the same. Some are fine with 30fps being the minimum they need for smooth gameplay in games, some need 60fps 3) some don't know what to look for/have never experienced a 'no lag' device and thing that lag is normal
For me, I see it. Everything but an AOSP rom is too laggy for me.
There's not just lag as a problem. Also stutters are a problem as TW eats up so much ram sometimes that games sometimes need to start swapping (obviously very graphically intense games and only after 10+ minutes of gameplay)
So relax.
Doesn't disabling apps without root do the same as freezing with tb
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I am still looking for a lag
I just googled "samsung galaxy lag" and it seems that the billionth of a second delay from open an app and going to the home screen is the issue. And doing it a million times in a row. Really? Is that it?
My goodness I am looking for applications that stutter or dialing a telephone number and the digits are sticking or an application partially opening- a delay of a second or 2- then it finishing loading
If this is what THOUSANDS of people are complaining about they have way too much time on their hands. That is just like complaining about how fast a toilet flushes.
Wow no wonder I didnt notice it. I was looking THROUGH the issue
I am happy with what I got - its fast, I can call people, I can play a game while waiting for a beer, I can take a picture of boobs, I can text people, and I can get directions. The phone accomplishes what I want it to do
Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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It's a non issue to you. Fine, move on. Don't even click on threads that mention the word lag.
It's a huge issue to others. You guys seem to fail to notice my comparison to iPhone and it's smoothness. iPhone is still ahead of Android in terms of UI smoothness. So yes these are phones and not super computers. But the iPhone can be smoothers with half the ram, so no, the S4 nor any other android gets a pass because it's "just a phone"
Likewise nobody is mentioning a millionth of a second delay as the issue. Atari you threw those numbers out. I see a 1 second to 2 second delays sometimes when I swipe app drawers. When I wake my phone is takes 2-3 seconds for the samsung clock widget to update.
Likewise there is stutter in games. AOSP roms don't have it, stock TW has it. I imagine it's the fact that TW uses double the RAM that an AOSP rom uses (1.2gb vs 600mb on my AOSP) which obviously is 600mb less for the app to have. That is just BLOATWARE. Horrible ineffecient bloated programming. There is no excuse for a PHONE with TWO GB of RAM in 2013 to have issues with running out of RAM.
With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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I am a first time android phone user, coming from 7+ years of i phones and I can honestly say that I have not noticed a "lag" or difference in smoothness coming from i phones. I am loving the S4 and can't see myself going back to an i phone.
Just my experience, you would think from reading some of these threads that ALL of the S4's are "laggy" or slow....just wanted to give my experience with it, it may be different for others.
iOS (any version) has a custom build for each device. You cannot take the iOS 6.13 for iPhone 5 and apply it on an iPad 3. They each have their own builds that exploit each devices capabilities to the maximum. Android on the other hand has 1 core OS build that each manufacturer either tweaks or adds bloat ware or whatever .... And there in lies the problem.
Sure SOMEONE could make a custom build for a SG4 that is specifically tweaks for the quad core CPU, it's ram, disk size/speed, etc. and make it run like water but take that same image a plop it on another phone and that performance is gone.
Now I can honestly say I don't have a1 second delay or a 2-3 delay anywhere, with exception to a game that is loading and those usually have a progress bar showing that there is activity.
Trying to help here - could it be that your lag is caused by the removal of 1 too many "bloat wares"? Possibly something is required or expected and you lag is just a timeout waiting for "program x" to respond???
graydiggy said:
With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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That's not your place. Deflate your ego. Ever heard of freedom of speech? It works like this; you seek out what you DO want and filter what you do NOT want. I
If you disagree that's cool bro. Stfu and go cry to your mom about it. Reporting threads will only make you a bigger ass, considering they're not breaking any forum or moral rules.
When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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graydiggy said:
When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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If your S4 does not lag then you have some special S4 or something or you just have never used an AOSP rom before. After coming back from pure AOSP the stutters become very apparent. Opening apps isn't the problem as they open up very fast (don't know why people say that) but its the stuttering in the launcher and the apps and stuff. Like when you switch to the widgets in the touchwizz drawer. It takes time and it stutters like a mofo. I had the HTC One and that is a phone that doesn't stutter at all when going through the app drawer and home screens. It also eat up like 900mb of RAM and has terrible battery life (I'm coming from AOSP Which has crazy battery life)...
If you have ever tried a AOSP Rom like Slimbean you should know what a smooth phone looks like. Anyways the S4 is still an Amazing phone that has really crazy features that no other phone has. If you dont mind the little Stutters all over the place then good for you :laugh: but if you're like me who doesn't understand How a S600 quad-core CPU lags then I don't know what to say. Just my 2 cents, don't want to be offending in any way
Have a good day :laugh:
I have had multiple devices and used every kind of ROM out there. I prefer TW on my Samsung devices and I prefer AOSP and the likes on HTC devices. Sense is horrible to me. I do like AOSP and similar ROMs because they are smooth and quick, but are boring after awhile. The reason I prefer TW is because it integrates features perfectly and the camera is much better as well. I have no actual problems with my phone on TW because I have taken the time to tweak and fine tune my system to perform with speed and conserve battery life. I can get 3 days on a full battery with moderate usage and get fairly high benchmark scores. Some of these people that complain are too lazy to even take basic steps to prevent issues. I go to varying extremes to make my stuff function how I want it to.
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