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Every now and then my homescreens gets very sluggish and laggy, to make them turn I really need to be explicit and slow in gesturing. It seems to start at random, haven't found anything that appears to set it off.
Reebooting solves the problem, until next time of course. Getting quite annoyed with it at this point.
I have tried disabling live wallpaper and taking a look at what apparently are running, but it doesn't seems to be the problem.
It's a nexus s i9023 running 2.3.6 stock. Not rooted.
Hope there's a reply out there, thank you.
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what possibly happened was you may have bunch of apps that autorun themselves when certain events occur such as when you regain network signal, receive a phone call, turn on screen, etc... over time these apps take up cpu which cause the lags you're experiencing. i would suggest rooting your phone and install Rom Toolbox or buy Autostarts app to stop some of these apps from autorunning.. The Nexus S is the easiest and most painless device to root.
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I'm running almost the same apps as on my old Wildfire, and enver encountered the problem with it.
I'd prefer not to root my phone at this point. Bought just under a month ago, with the idea of running stock to see how the "pure android" experience was
I also find it hard to imagine that there isn't another way around the problem.
It just doesn't make sense to me that it takes so little to bog down the phone and that the solution is root
mine got very slow on 2.3.6 after not having done a wipe for 6-7 months. I didn't even have many apps installed. The phone runs a lot faster on ICS rooted or not.
Yeah, I've heard it should run better with ics and I'm quite tempted to just go for it with one of the many ROMs out there. Must admit I'm hoping for the official ota to arrive soon. I'd like to keep the phone unrooted so it'll recieve the official update. But if the wait proves too long I might just have to find a good ROM
Any advice for a stable no-fuzz ROM that won't cause me too many issues with stuff not working properly?
The issues with the lagging homescreens have been present in 2.3.3 as well. Was hoping 2.3.6 would fix it, but alas:-\
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piratekayak said:
Yeah, I've heard it should run better with ics and I'm quite tempted to just go for it with one of the many ROMs out there. Must admit I'm hoping for the official ota to arrive soon. I'd like to keep the phone unrooted so it'll recieve the official update. But if the wait proves too long I might just have to find a good ROM
Any advice for a stable no-fuzz ROM that won't cause me too many issues with stuff not working properly?
The issues with the lagging homescreens have been present in 2.3.3 as well. Was hoping 2.3.6 would fix it, but alas:-\
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399956
you can also just install advanced task killer (free on market) and kill some apps that are running and u might not need them.
Also you can try the Go lancher Ex (free on market - is a lancher that runs themes and schemes, from my experience this app make everything run smoother and faster).
Anyway like others said already custom ISC are really nice to use
cheers
Installed ADW launcher.EX and it appears to have solved the issues. Thanks for the input
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I'm sorry I've been a galaxy user for a long time and have never been let down until now. I have had the gs2 gs3 note and note 2. I have loved them all and didn't expect anything less out of the new gs4. Well I guess there is a first time for everything. This phone sucks plain and simple! It suffers from terrible lag when scrolling through the web. The pinch to zoom is terrible and slow. Yea the features are cool but who's ever really going to use them? You would think that maybe with all the new software samsung has introduced they would have taken a little time to give us a better keyboard with an auto correct feature. Even while typing the thread my phone is suffering from terrible lag and just can't keep up with me.
Htc one. I have that as well and I'm trying to decide which to keep. Its smooth as silk and works as it should. I'm trying to persuade myself to keep the galaxy s4 hoping that a patch will be issued and alot of these issues will be fixed. I'm having a hard time doing it though because the htc is really perfect aside from button placement and size.
If you really have been using those devices you mention then you should know that all the issues you say you are experiencing can be easily solved by update or by rooting the device and getting rid of bloat. S4 is a beast hardware wise.
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I'm thinking that when a stable root method is available a custom rom will definitely improve things. The sheer amount of bloatware is ridiculous and is bogging down the performance of the phone. A debloated rom might be the fix.
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I'm thinking that when root is available a custom rom will definitely improve things. The sheer amount of bloatware is ridiculous and is bogging down the performance of the phone. A debloated rom might be the fix.
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Root is already available and especially since there now appears to be a safe way to return to stock (kies or odin) you should now feel safer when manually debloating because fixing a softbrick is just a few clicks away
And to the op...I couldnt agree more about the keyboard...but as far as lag goes...I have yet to see any lag that so many are claiming to have and I havent even disabled or begun to remove any stock apps...so I guess I got lucky with my device
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I came from s2, s3, note, s4 and I love this thing. Root and tibu is your friend. This phone is a beast. Love the feel. The screen. No lag here bro.
S4 rooted. Lmt pied.
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I'm sorry I've been a galaxy user for a long time and have never been let down until now. I have had the gs2 gs3 note and note 2. I have loved them all and didn't expect anything less out of the new gs4. Well I guess there is a first time for everything. This phone sucks plain and simple! It suffers from terrible lag when scrolling through the web. The pinch to zoom is terrible and slow. Yea the features are cool but who's ever really going to use them? You would think that maybe with all the new software samsung has introduced they would have taken a little time to give us a better keyboard with an auto correct feature. Even while typing the thread my phone is suffering from terrible lag and just can't keep up with me.
Htc one. I have that as well and I'm trying to decide which to keep. Its smooth as silk and works as it should. I'm trying to persuade myself to keep the galaxy s4 hoping that a patch will be issued and alot of these issues will be fixed. I'm having a hard time doing it though because the htc is really perfect aside from button placement and size.
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I want to love the S4. Nice big 5" screen, I don't really mind TW, decent camera, size and weight are perfect for me but man the lag is horrendous!
I have rooted and froze 73 apps in titanium yet it still has some lag. It's quite sad actually..
I realize part of the lag is 4.2.2 but good grief!
I am actually thinking about returning it for a Nexus 4 or maybe wait a little and see what the Nexus 5 has to offer..
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If you really have been using those devices you mention then you should know that all the issues you say you are experiencing can be easily solved by update or by rooting the device and getting rid of bloat. S4 is a beast hardware wise.
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I know that an update can fix things. My problem is patience and waiting for that update to be released. Its a real shame that a phone with such amazing specs just can't do what its supposed to do without lag and issues. As far as rooting goes in sure that many people on this forum are familiar with it but I'm not. Why can't the device come out of the box working like it should?!?!!! The htc does work and works well. If not for the. 3" and button layout the gs4 would already be back in the box of the way to att return dept.
The same goes for me being very disappointed. I had the Captivate, S2, dad has S3, wife has a Note 2 and all have been good phones. I love my wife's Note 2 but can't deal with a phone that big. My biggest problem with the S4 is the battery life mine is getting. I can barely get more than an hour screen time. Right now my phone is at 15% with 1:20 screen time that accounts for 40% of the battery after 10 hrs unplugged. I'm tired of constantly tweaking roms, I just want a phone that works all day without me having to install a custom rom.
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I know that an update can fix things. My problem is patience and waiting for that update to be released. Its a real shame that a phone with such amazing specs just can't do what its supposed to do without lag and issues. As far as rooting goes in sure that many people on this forum are familiar with it but I'm not. Why can't the device come out of the box working like it should?!?!!! The htc does work and works well. If not for the. 3" and button layout the gs4 would already be back in the box of the way to att return dept.
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Sad to say it requires any tampering (root, app disabling, or cfw) to get it running smooth. Hopefully a Very soon update will smooth it out without killing battery life. Another thing that's crazy is this phone is clocked .2 higher than the htc one and optimus g pro but still lags like crazy
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Sad to say it requires any tampering (root, app disabling, or cfw) to get it running smooth. Hopefully a Very soon update will smooth it out without killing battery life. Another thing that's crazy is this phone is clocked .2 higher than the htc one and optimus g pro but still lags like crazy
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Agreed. There should be no need for disabling apps/removing bloat or installing custom roms to get this phone working smoothly. Its got the hardware no doubt but something is definitely wrong when a flagship phone with these specs doesn't work smoothly out of the box. HTC seem to have got it right software wise. Its clocked lower with the same processor and is buttery smooth and almost benches as high running at 1.5
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This is honestly the worst phone i had period sooo much lag tomorrow I'm going to exchange for the HTC one
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Is it only the AT&T s3s with lag? or is TMob also experiencing lag?
It's going to be so funny when AT&T & Samsung release a update and this phone (S4) becomes the most smooth Android phone ever... Or better yet when we finally get that bootloader unlock tool released and starting getting clean & optimized versions of the stock ROM.
@damon20r 1 hour screen time?!? I can easily get 6+ hours on full brightness... It's either your battery (faulty) or a rogue app.
Thats why i sold my s4. I immediatly noticed the lag. My htc one is smooth as silk.
wow I haven't noticed any lag - it is super fast compared to my epic 4g (galaxy s I). Maybe some ppl have a defective phone? As for battery life, 1) google talk, make sure you're signed out (big battery killer) and in the pull down menu, choose top right for more choices of what's on/off. I turned off air view/gesture, nfc, smart screen/view etc, etc. all the bloat. Now great life. Still at 29% despite heavy use all day. 11 hrs on battery 63% screen time. Maybe use autoscreeen brightness. Also I turned off facebook notifications too (that helped). The "power saving"option also helps save battery life.
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Is it only the AT&T s3s with lag? or is TMob also experiencing lag?
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Why dont you ask in the at&t s3 forum.
Now how are you guys experiencing this bad lag you keep mentioning. Wish someone would post a video to see the lag. Even with my bloat and touchwiz I didnt notice this lag.
No lag worth mentioning for me neither? I'm happy with it...
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This is honestly the worst phone i had period sooo much lag tomorrow I'm going to exchange for the HTC one
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All fanboy crap aside... The HTC One is MUCH and I mean MUCH smoother than the S4.. It's night and day different!
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It's going to be so funny when AT&T & Samsung release a update and this phone (S4) becomes the most smooth Android phone ever... Or better yet when we finally get that bootloader unlock tool released and starting getting clean & optimized versions of the stock ROM.
@damon20r 1 hour screen time?!? I can easily get 6+ hours on full brightness... It's either your battery (faulty) or a rogue app.
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Come to think of it I can't remember restarting my phone since I got it. SMH. I'll try that and see what happens, LOL.
1 hr screen is something wrong def. Im easily getting 5 hours on this biotch. Im at 15 hours unplugged 2 hours 41 mins screen with 69% battery left.
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I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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Do you have an sd card in the slot? Try it without Roms shouldn't lag that much. CROMi-X is pretty much lag free for me. You must have something else causing the issue.
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Do you have an sd card in the slot? Try it without Roms shouldn't lag that much. CROMi-X is pretty much lag free for me. You must have something else causing the issue.
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No sd card. I think it's a hardware issue similar to this:
http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
It probably has to do with Asus's quality control.
Do you think Squaretrade covers this type of thing? I have a SquareTrade warranty that covers accidental damage stuff.
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I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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Download lagfix. It like defragrements the storage and the the lag disappears
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Download lagfix. It like defragrements the storage and the the lag disappears
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Lag's still there. I feel like it helped a tiny bit (probably placebo effect) but compared to my stock Nexus 7 and SGS2 with CM10.1, it's choppy and slow.
Non Sequitur said:
I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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I got mine for Christmas, and mine seems to slowly be getting worse too. Mine is rather sluggish too, and I'm running completely stock at the moment with no expansion card. I've disabled quite a few of the stock apps, and I'm really not running much on here other than a few games.
It's even worse (might be unrelated to your issue though) if I unlock the device after it has been asleep for a while, sometimes I can't do anything for several minutes. It seems like it's checking for updates, e-mails, and notifications on every single app, because it would often spam me with notifications, particularly for the Facebook Messenger app, which I have recently removed. I made sure to turn off automatic updates and notifications for many apps, because it would start to update apps right after unlocking it, rendering it nearly unusable until it finished. I have the GreenPower battery manager app to help with battery life, which actually may make the problem worse because it forces WiFi to stay off after asleep for a while, so it can't update apps or get notifications until I unlock it.
I will look into the LagFix app.
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I got mine for Christmas, and mine seems to slowly be getting worse too. Mine is rather sluggish too, and I'm running completely stock at the moment with no expansion card. I've disabled quite a few of the stock apps, and I'm really not running much on here other than a few games.
It's even worse (might be unrelated to your issue though) if I unlock the device after it has been asleep for a while, sometimes I can't do anything for several minutes. It seems like it's checking for updates, e-mails, and notifications on every single app, because it would often spam me with notifications, particularly for the Facebook Messenger app, which I have recently removed. I made sure to turn off automatic updates and notifications for many apps, because it would start to update apps right after unlocking it, rendering it nearly unusable until it finished. I have the GreenPower battery manager app to help with battery life, which actually may make the problem worse because it forces WiFi to stay off after asleep for a while, so it can't update apps or get notifications until I unlock it.
I will look into the LagFix app.
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If you are on stock check out Greenify. That's probably the most intelligent app to manage resources I have encountered. It's especially helpful with these pesky background services that think they have to run at all times.
It exists as an app in the Play Store (the paid version allows you to hibernate system apps and services - or those installed as such... like FB is on many systems), or as a module for Xposed Framework.
You do need root for this to run.
Another interesting way to speed up stock systems may be Xposed Framework. I just started to look into it - cannot say that much about it yet. But definitely worth looking into.
And then there's always the good old factory reset which does help clearing out accumulated crud. Yes, it's a pain to set up everything again, but if you're system becomes almost unusable it's a must try.
Again, if you are rooted you can use Titanium Backup to backup and restore your user apps, and if you are using a custom launcher like ADW, Apex or Nova, they all have a backup function and make it easy to restore your home screen setup.
I did a total clean install yesterday night while watching a movie and was done with it before it finished.
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Lag's still there. I feel like it helped a tiny bit (probably placebo effect) but compared to my stock Nexus 7 and SGS2 with CM10.1, it's choppy and slow.
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When did you do your last clean installation? Meaning wiping everything: system, data, cache and Dalvik before installing the ROM again and then only restoring user apps from backup - no system data!
If you lag that bad on a custom rom like CM 10.1 or CromiX, it's your setup, not the tablet or rom.
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Still on stock 4.1.1, was one of the very first people who bought it (a few weeks before the official release). Mine's not slowing down at all. 4.2 did cause some serious lag issues for people, on both the TF700 and the Nexus 7. (And yes, I use it daily.)
Maybe try going back to 4.1.1? I am quite happy with my decision to wait for others to try it first...
@berndblb: I know you were replying to Castun, but just to rule it out, my last totally clean install was not long ago. I also just did a factory reset in TWRP. Still laggy sometimes. Also, if I have it in any other mode except for Performance, it lags even worse...
I just now realized that my dock doesn't work, either. And I JUST did a factory reset and didn't restore any apps! It only works in safe mode, which doesn't make sense because I don't have any extra apps when I'm not in safe mode.
But yeah, I'm going to flash back to stock 4.2 and see if it's fixed. If not, I'll try 4.1. If push comes to shove, I'll sell it...
I also tried Greenify, but it didn't really do anything because all I have are system apps.
I flashed stock 4.2 and it fixed a lot of the lag. The device works pretty well now. Thanks for that suggestion, not a bad one! haha
Anyway, I have another small question in addition to this:
If I DO decide I still want to sell it, what's a good way to unroot, flash stock recovery, and relock the bootloader (if possible)? If I do, will I be able to recieve OTA updates? Thanks!
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I flashed stock 4.2 and it fixed a lot of the lag. The device works pretty well now. Thanks for that suggestion, not a bad one! haha
Anyway, I have another small question in addition to this:
If I DO decide I still want to sell it, what's a good way to unroot, flash stock recovery, and relock the bootloader (if possible)? If I do, will I be able to recieve OTA updates? Thanks!
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Flashing the complete stock firmware automatically unroots and restores stock recovery. Relocking the bootloader does not re-enable OTA updates or manufacturer warranty, so it's useless to try.
This is what I did to get my S4 (tested on 3 phones) running stock ROM without any stuttering.
Phones/Network: 1 Koodo unlocked on Bell Network, 1 Telus running on Telus, 1 Bell running on Bell.
Root: All phones rooted
Network: LTE disabled, search for Wi-Fi Disabled
Removed or Frozen apps with Titanium Backup (paid version)
Chaton - Frozen
City Video - Frozen
Commande Blurb - Frozen
Courriel - I suppose this is the basic email samsung app but with a french name - Frozen (I Use K-9)
EpsonPrintService - Frozen
GPS Navigator - Frozen
HP Print Service - Frozen
Knox Store - Frozen
Polaris Office - Frozen
S Calendar - Frozen
S Memo - Frozen
S Note Provider - Frozen
S Traducteur(probably S Translate for most of you) - Frozen
S Voice - Frozen
Samsung Apps - Frozen
Samsung Apps Widget - Frozen
Samsung books - Frozen
Samsung Games - Frozen
Samsung Hub - Frozen
Samsung Knox - Frozen
Samsung Learning - Frozen
Samsun Link - Frozen
Samsung Watchon - Frozen
Samsung hubupdater - Frozen
TalkBack - Frozen
I also removed all third party apps like these:
Google apps: Removed (Books, music, movie, etc), I kept Play, Maps, Gmail and Search
All Yahoo apps - Removed
Flipboard - Removed
Facebook - Removed
Twitter - Removed
All crappy S4 features (eyes, movement/gestures, etc) are turned OFF
I run S-Health 24/24
I only kept 1 app from Bell, the one giving me informations about what I used (data plan and voice plan)
I dont know anything about making custom ROMs. Those settings give me a great Android experience with my S4. I have no explanation regarding why I froze or removed those apps.
I tried 2 of the most popular ROMs on XDA an none of them could match my stock settings (except for battery life, it was a little better than what I had with my settings using Goldeneye and a custom kernel).
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My point: Those who experience lag/stuttering should look deeper into Touch Wiz. The worst experience I ever had with my S4 was with a highly popular ROM on XDA. It was suppose to be fast. Well, it wasnt for me and a few others.
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
atari800 said:
Hi there
I am realtively new to Galaxy S4 and its been forever since my G1 (had Apples in between)
But forgive me for this question - where exactly do you see a lag with those apps enabled?
I have messaging frozen as I use GOSMS to avoid random "multi sms" messages and the AT&T stuff just to remove the clutter of duplicate applications that are already provided
I am not sure where to look for lag on the GS4 - I would not think freezing dormant apps would give a performance boost.
I can understand freezing a CPU heavy app giving back performance.
I can understand adjusting kernel settings (caching for example) to reclaim performance
Is it the opening/closing of folders or a particular app that stutters?
if you can point me to something, perhaps I can fix it or agree that freezing apps does resolve the issue.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Frozen those stuff won't make your GS4 faster
Frozen them because they are drinking your juice.
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Huh?
Freezing an APP wont make the GS4 faster - that I agree with
and I think what you meant to say was:
Freezing the apps because they are using up battery (juice?) - right?
If that is what you were saying then that doesnt make sense. That assumes that the more dormant applications on your phone, the shorter the battery life.
If I take out my battery and keep it out for an hour, a day, a week...and plug it back in I have the same apps.
I have the same apps regardless of power.
Is not about having a Faster phone is about having NO LAG. Even the faster ROM in this site lags sometimes. It is fast as hell, but you do get the occasional Lag.... The only way to have a Lag free experience in the S4 is by using the Google Edition rom.
What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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I hear you my Brother i got 2 SG4 And the one, That's AT&T Stock Rom Odexed the way it came no lag at all and That's Stock one, The other is on My Deadly Venom SG4 which i still haven't released Deodex still working more stuff before i release it here and no type of lag at all so i'm with you on this one!:good:
Here's more apps to freeze if interested as posted from verizon s4 section: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=42351535#post42351535
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What lag?! I am on SHOStock and have no lag. People act like this phone is a top of the line computer with the latest hardware available. It is a phone. It takes time to load certain things, especially if those things are not in the cached memory or in the RAM. I am tired of seeing these posts. A 1 to 2 second delay is nothing when the app is first opened. He'll, I am willing to bet that people with this "issue" use task killers or clear their RAM every 5 minutes. This is not an old Nokia. I swear I am going to start reporting people for posting about this subject. There is absolutely no unreasonable lag with this device when used and tweaked properly, even without root. I see no one else complaing about this on any other S4 forum. Are people just looking for a way to bash on Samsung through the AT&T section?
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Really? You're going to report people who complain about the thing that literarily THOUSANDS of people complain about and that you still think is 'fake'? Every web site that I've read of people who were die hard iPhone users and finally switched to Android always mention that ONLY the Nexus/Google Edition phone did that for them. All others with their proprietary frameworks/skins were too laggy/slow compared to the iPhone.
So no, there is definitely 'unreasonable' lag.
There are two issues though, 1) people misuse the word lag 2) people are not all the same. Some are fine with 30fps being the minimum they need for smooth gameplay in games, some need 60fps 3) some don't know what to look for/have never experienced a 'no lag' device and thing that lag is normal
For me, I see it. Everything but an AOSP rom is too laggy for me.
There's not just lag as a problem. Also stutters are a problem as TW eats up so much ram sometimes that games sometimes need to start swapping (obviously very graphically intense games and only after 10+ minutes of gameplay)
So relax.
Doesn't disabling apps without root do the same as freezing with tb
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I am still looking for a lag
I just googled "samsung galaxy lag" and it seems that the billionth of a second delay from open an app and going to the home screen is the issue. And doing it a million times in a row. Really? Is that it?
My goodness I am looking for applications that stutter or dialing a telephone number and the digits are sticking or an application partially opening- a delay of a second or 2- then it finishing loading
If this is what THOUSANDS of people are complaining about they have way too much time on their hands. That is just like complaining about how fast a toilet flushes.
Wow no wonder I didnt notice it. I was looking THROUGH the issue
I am happy with what I got - its fast, I can call people, I can play a game while waiting for a beer, I can take a picture of boobs, I can text people, and I can get directions. The phone accomplishes what I want it to do
Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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Like I said before. People act like his is a full blown, top of the line computer with stupid fast SSD's in it and a ton of RAM. The 1 second delay between me clicking the phone icon and it loading is not an issue. It is not lag. That is what happens when it is not sitting in the memory and it has to load up. The need for Instant satisfaction is what drives me crazy with you people. That delay that everyone gets from clicking the home button is from SVoice waiting for the second click. That is not lag. That is a necessity for it to run properly.
The reason I want to report people is because they are over exaggerating a non issue, and I am tired of seeing these posts that accomplish nothing and contribute nothing. I have seen many of the same exact thread cluttering the forum.
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It's a non issue to you. Fine, move on. Don't even click on threads that mention the word lag.
It's a huge issue to others. You guys seem to fail to notice my comparison to iPhone and it's smoothness. iPhone is still ahead of Android in terms of UI smoothness. So yes these are phones and not super computers. But the iPhone can be smoothers with half the ram, so no, the S4 nor any other android gets a pass because it's "just a phone"
Likewise nobody is mentioning a millionth of a second delay as the issue. Atari you threw those numbers out. I see a 1 second to 2 second delays sometimes when I swipe app drawers. When I wake my phone is takes 2-3 seconds for the samsung clock widget to update.
Likewise there is stutter in games. AOSP roms don't have it, stock TW has it. I imagine it's the fact that TW uses double the RAM that an AOSP rom uses (1.2gb vs 600mb on my AOSP) which obviously is 600mb less for the app to have. That is just BLOATWARE. Horrible ineffecient bloated programming. There is no excuse for a PHONE with TWO GB of RAM in 2013 to have issues with running out of RAM.
With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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I am a first time android phone user, coming from 7+ years of i phones and I can honestly say that I have not noticed a "lag" or difference in smoothness coming from i phones. I am loving the S4 and can't see myself going back to an i phone.
Just my experience, you would think from reading some of these threads that ALL of the S4's are "laggy" or slow....just wanted to give my experience with it, it may be different for others.
iOS (any version) has a custom build for each device. You cannot take the iOS 6.13 for iPhone 5 and apply it on an iPad 3. They each have their own builds that exploit each devices capabilities to the maximum. Android on the other hand has 1 core OS build that each manufacturer either tweaks or adds bloat ware or whatever .... And there in lies the problem.
Sure SOMEONE could make a custom build for a SG4 that is specifically tweaks for the quad core CPU, it's ram, disk size/speed, etc. and make it run like water but take that same image a plop it on another phone and that performance is gone.
Now I can honestly say I don't have a1 second delay or a 2-3 delay anywhere, with exception to a game that is loading and those usually have a progress bar showing that there is activity.
Trying to help here - could it be that your lag is caused by the removal of 1 too many "bloat wares"? Possibly something is required or expected and you lag is just a timeout waiting for "program x" to respond???
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With that logic and the amount of people on XDA and other Android modification sites, there should still be absolutely no issue. User error is the main reason for this so called lag.
Root the thing and tweak the crap out of it. Put a custom ROM on it. Hell, there is a ton of things you can do on stock without root to reduce lag.
I use a TW based custom ROM. I experience no lag that causes any problems. Although, I have taken the time to tweak and tune my system from the ground up. I even did it on the stock MDL firmware that came with my phone and have no issues with that. What some people think is lag is actually loading times. It will ALWAYS be there. I am not saying that there is no hiccups from time to time. But it is not nearly as unbearable as people have let on. What some people don't understand is that no OS is going to be perfect. I think that even Windows phone has a better UI than both Android and iOS. It is so smooth. But, there is still loading times to take into account details the slight hiccups that may happen due to the device clearing RAM for another app. No one ever takes that into account.
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That's not your place. Deflate your ego. Ever heard of freedom of speech? It works like this; you seek out what you DO want and filter what you do NOT want. I
If you disagree that's cool bro. Stfu and go cry to your mom about it. Reporting threads will only make you a bigger ass, considering they're not breaking any forum or moral rules.
When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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When the same exact topic has been posted and locked multiple times in the past, it is breaking forum rules. They were locked and deleted for a reason. Either it was an unnecessary thread or it ran way off topic. This thread is both. The topic has been discussed not only in this thread but in many others all leading to them being both unnecessary and running off the topic. With that said, it is spam. And I don't care about freedom of speech. I have just as much a right to tell someone to stfu about a long drawn out and irrelevant topic, as they do to start said topic.
I have explained how things work with the phone, I have explained how it handles its hardware and software. I have explained that the "lag" is because people are not doing things right on their device. There is nothing more to discuss here as everything has been answered. What you are doing is telling me that I need to just stop, and not even putting up a reasonable debate on what I have said. I have backed up everything that I have said. You have provided nothing. So you, sir, can kindly piss off. If you can't provide anything logical against my argument, you have no place to tell me what to do.
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If your S4 does not lag then you have some special S4 or something or you just have never used an AOSP rom before. After coming back from pure AOSP the stutters become very apparent. Opening apps isn't the problem as they open up very fast (don't know why people say that) but its the stuttering in the launcher and the apps and stuff. Like when you switch to the widgets in the touchwizz drawer. It takes time and it stutters like a mofo. I had the HTC One and that is a phone that doesn't stutter at all when going through the app drawer and home screens. It also eat up like 900mb of RAM and has terrible battery life (I'm coming from AOSP Which has crazy battery life)...
If you have ever tried a AOSP Rom like Slimbean you should know what a smooth phone looks like. Anyways the S4 is still an Amazing phone that has really crazy features that no other phone has. If you dont mind the little Stutters all over the place then good for you :laugh: but if you're like me who doesn't understand How a S600 quad-core CPU lags then I don't know what to say. Just my 2 cents, don't want to be offending in any way
Have a good day :laugh:
I have had multiple devices and used every kind of ROM out there. I prefer TW on my Samsung devices and I prefer AOSP and the likes on HTC devices. Sense is horrible to me. I do like AOSP and similar ROMs because they are smooth and quick, but are boring after awhile. The reason I prefer TW is because it integrates features perfectly and the camera is much better as well. I have no actual problems with my phone on TW because I have taken the time to tweak and fine tune my system to perform with speed and conserve battery life. I can get 3 days on a full battery with moderate usage and get fairly high benchmark scores. Some of these people that complain are too lazy to even take basic steps to prevent issues. I go to varying extremes to make my stuff function how I want it to.
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I tried disabling some of the bloat like S-health, weather daemon, Galaxy Apps etc but haven't seen any difference in battery life as such compared to running stock out of the box. What are you guys doing?
Ram isn't an issue because most of the bloat doesn't show up in the running apps unless you specifically launch it.
I no longer seem to have the time to tinker with these phones the way I did all the way from the S1-5.... The phone runs exactly the same way without doing any of the disabling atleast in my opinion. Would appreciate any thoughts..
Unrooted S6 here.
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I tried disabling some of the bloat like S-health, weather daemon, Galaxy Apps etc but haven't seen any difference in battery life as such compared to running stock out of the box. What are you guys doing?
Ram isn't an issue because most of the bloat doesn't show up in the running apps unless you specifically launch it.
I no longer seem to have the time to tinker with these phones the way I did all the way from the S1-5.... The phone runs exactly the same way without doing any of the disabling atleast in my opinion. Would appreciate any thoughts..
Unrooted S6 here.
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Ya know, I have wondered in the past about this. Especially when TW won't let me disable something. If I root and disable it, will that actually slow me down? (Because TW is looking for it.) I know the XDA "party-line" is that it does help, but I remain doubtful. I can't tell you how many times I have run debloated Roms only to return to Stock and be surprised by how smooth it is... I will still root eventually though to get rid of certain nags...But I wonder.
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Ya know, I have wondered in the past about this. Especially when TW won't let me disable something. If I root and disable it, will that actually slow me down? (Because TW is looking for it.) I know the XDA "party-line" is that it does help, but I remain doubtful. I can't tell you how many times I have run debloated Roms only to return to Stock and be surprised by how smooth it is... I will still root eventually though to get rid of certain nags...But I wonder.
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Exactly my thoughts.... So i'm not the only one here who thinks like i do
I think disabling certain processes and services that weren't intended to be suspended, not only not makes a difference from my own experience, but can also cause instability.