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[Q] Why is my Nexus S so slow?

Okay, I used to love this phone. I got it back in Feb when it was relatively new to where I live and the first thing I did was root and flash it with CM. This gave me a serious case of ORD and I couldn't stop trying out new ROMs on my phone. It was amazing! And fun! And everything was quick. Couple months down the line, I lost my phone and quickly replaced it with another Nexus S. More flashing ensued.
So, now 8 months down the line, I find myself getting a little bored with the constant flashing and I've been looking for something that will be stable. Now, here's the problem, after the first flash of a ROM everything seems super zippy! And it fills me with hope and brings a tear to my eye. But, then I start actually using my phone...load 25 apps...everything's fine...50 apps...going strong...75 apps, 4 days in...uh oh, OH HAI LAG!...*phone makes a trollface*...100 apps, a week in...the lag is so bad I can't do any gaming...my favourite game Muffin Knight makes me want to chuck my phone across the room; it lags so much that by the time I think I've got me a sweet muffin, I'm somehow teleported to a little rat's back. This is the case with any ROM - CM7, MIUI, several AOSP ROMs like Oxygen, CO2, SuperAOSP/OSR, NexusBread. All of them slow down after several days.
What causes this? Can it be a hardware issue? Do I have a faulty phone? Could it be I flashed too much? I never really was one for overclocking, my phone doesn't handle it well for the long haul. Is it Android's memory management that is poor? Oh, and while we're on the topic. What the heck is "True Multitasking"? Does it mean, when I'm playing a game, I get a call and when I hang up, the game has restarted? Or I load a page on my browser and when I go back it has to reload? Or pausing any game and pressing home to do something else, then coming back to it to see it has to restart? I don't think my phone can handle more than two tasks well.
Anyway, at this point, what do the XDAliens think I should do? A hard reset? Maybe format my SD card too? Or what else can I do? Any suggestions would help.

deejaylobo said:
Okay, I used to love this phone. I got it back in Feb when it was relatively new to where I live and the first thing I did was root and flash it with CM. This gave me a serious case of ORD and I couldn't stop trying out new ROMs on my phone. It was amazing! And fun! And everything was quick. Couple months down the line, I lost my phone and quickly replaced it with another Nexus S. More flashing ensued.
So, now 8 months down the line, I find myself getting a little bored with the constant flashing and I've been looking for something that will be stable. Now, here's the problem, after the first flash of a ROM everything seems super zippy! And it fills me with hope and brings a tear to my eye. But, then I start actually using my phone...load 25 apps...everything's fine...50 apps...going strong...75 apps, 4 days in...uh oh, OH HAI LAG!...*phone makes a trollface*...100 apps, a week in...the lag is so bad I can't do any gaming...my favourite game Muffin Knight makes me want to chuck my phone across the room; it lags so much that by the time I think I've got me a sweet muffin, I'm somehow teleported to a little rat's back. This is the case with any ROM - CM7, MIUI, several AOSP ROMs like Oxygen, CO2, SuperAOSP/OSR, NexusBread. All of them slow down after several days.
What causes this? Can it be a hardware issue? Do I have a faulty phone? Could it be I flashed too much? I never really was one for overclocking, my phone doesn't handle it well for the long haul. Is it Android's memory management that is poor? Oh, and while we're on the topic. What the heck is "True Multitasking"? Does it mean, when I'm playing a game, I get a call and when I hang up, the game has restarted? Or I load a page on my browser and when I go back it has to reload? Or pausing any game and pressing home to do something else, then coming back to it to see it has to restart? I don't think my phone can handle more than two tasks well.
Anyway, at this point, what do the XDAliens think I should do? A hard reset? Maybe format my SD card too? Or what else can I do? Any suggestions would help.
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wipe your dalvik and try to reboot at least once a day,

simms22 said:
wipe your dalvik and try to reboot at least once a day,
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Oh, I do do that! As part of my troubleshooting. But, it doesn't help much. Maybe an hour or so of seemingly lag free use. But, once I've used a bunch of apps it's back to Lagville. So yeah, no go, at least not when it come to Muffin Knight (Lol, this has become my benchmark)
EDIT: I should also mention, I've tried moving a lot of my heavy apps to SD.

technically since nexus has internal memory shouldnt be as fast as "normal" internal memory? ie internal memory and SD space? But 100 apps that is quite a bit. Shouldnt be aproblem

So, no one else experiences lags after a few days of running all their apps? Maybe once they cross the 70 apps mark. No stutters in scrolling or gaming? No one else notices Android's poor multi-tasking? Poor app load times, poor widget response times?
I'm trying to figure out if it's just my phone or whether this happens to everyone.
EDIT: Maybe I should revert back to stock and if the lags continue, I could take it in to the shop under warranty?

deejaylobo said:
So, no one else experiences lags after a few days of running all their apps? Maybe once they cross the 70 apps mark. No stutters in scrolling or gaming? No one else notices Android's poor multi-tasking? Poor app load times, poor widget response times?
I'm trying to figure out if it's just my phone or whether this happens to everyone.
EDIT: Maybe I should revert back to stock and if the lags continue, I could take it in to the shop under warranty?
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No, No and No - > 100 apps - stock rom. Everything remains smooth and has for a long time. I reboot the phone maybe twice a month and never force clear the dalvik cache.

krohnjw said:
No, No and No - > 100 apps - stock rom. Everything remains smooth and has for a long time. I reboot the phone maybe twice a month and never force clear the dalvik cache.
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Thanks for the reply. I clear the dalvik ALL the time for flashing a new ROM or when my current one is feeling laggy. Maybe I shouldn't have. EDIT: I'm curious...Why do you not clear the Dalvik? Just because you've never had to?
Have you ever flashed other ROMs? Maybe bare AOSP ROMs like DevNull? Any issues there?
I'm thinking I should reset, reformat and return to stock...

deejaylobo said:
Thanks for the reply. I clear the dalvik ALL the time for flashing a new ROM or when my current one is feeling laggy. Maybe I shouldn't have. EDIT: I'm curious...Why do you not clear the Dalvik? Just because you've never had to?
Have you ever flashed other ROMs? Maybe bare AOSP ROMs like DevNull? Any issues there?
I'm thinking I should reset, reformat and return to stock...
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I don't see a reason to clear the Dalvik cache on a regular basis - that advice just doesn't make any sense. After you clear it, it just gets rebuilt when you reboot anyway, and just leads to a really long start up time. Unless you are installing / uninstalling a massive amount of apps and you feel the cache is far too large it just doesn't make sense. Between rom flashes, sure. But as a regular thing to help performance? That just doesn't hold water for me.
I flashed CM7 back around Feb / March but stability was an issue at that point still so I went back to stock. Since then I've never had any issues with running a rooted stock rom on the Nexus S so I never had any interest in most of the custom roms (outside of a few AOSP roms I built myself) as they all seem to introduce little bugs for the most part and I have little use for the "tweaks" and customizations included in most.

Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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Igotsanevo4g said:
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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he never said he had 100 separate apps...he just said after the 100th time running an app

Igotsanevo4g said:
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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That's not very helpful. I should be able to have as many apps as I need. A certain competing platform allows this. Anyway, I do use most of my apps. Maybe not on a daily basis, but I want them around for when I need them.
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hp420 said:
he never said he had 100 separate apps...he just said after the 100th time running an app
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No, I meant 100 apps.
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krohnjw said:
I don't see a reason to clear the Dalvik cache on a regular basis - that advice just doesn't make any sense. After you clear it, it just gets rebuilt when you reboot anyway, and just leads to a really long start up time. Unless you are installing / uninstalling a massive amount of apps and you feel the cache is far too large it just doesn't make sense. Between rom flashes, sure. But as a regular thing to help performance? That just doesn't hold water for me.
I flashed CM7 back around Feb / March but stability was an issue at that point still so I went back to stock. Since then I've never had any issues with running a rooted stock rom on the Nexus S so I never had any interest in most of the custom roms (outside of a few AOSP roms I built myself) as they all seem to introduce little bugs for the most part and I have little use for the "tweaks" and customizations included in most.
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Okay, I've already started afresh with CO2. Going to see how it goes. Kind of going slow on reloading my apps. Maybe I can figure out better at what point performance starts to suffer.
If things don't work out, I will follow your lead. Thanks again!
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Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.

ka24e said:
Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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that's the sole reason I've always steered clear of stock roms. That is my absolute favorite feature of CM & variants. I always long press every time I'm done with any app to close it

ka24e said:
Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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But, there's a general consensus lately that task killers aren't good for Android. I'm thinking force killing apps would have the same effect. Also, if I have to do that just to get a reasonable experience, where does it leave Android's claim of "True Multitasking"?
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deejaylobo said:
But, there's a general consensus lately that task killers aren't good for Android. I'm thinking force killing apps would have the same effect. Also, if I have to do that just to get a reasonable experience, where does it leave Android's claim of "True Multitasking"?
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Android is a "True Multitasking" system, but also has limitation as others PC or Server.
So if you want good speed, keep your background app clearly is a easy way.

try running v6 supercharger. it should help your device cope a lot better with so many apps on your device. link here. run beta 6.3 with a balanced setting and if you want more performance at the cost of it aggressively closing superfluous apps, go aggressive. also try nitro lag nullifier and don't forget to remove the extra .pdf extension off of the end because it's a shell script (.sh)

Cache has been invented for the sole purpose of speeding up a system or service. Forget about wiping your Dalvik cache and even the regular cache has its purpose on the phone. But that point has been cleared already.
The Nexus has its limitations just like any other device. The RAM can only cope with so much apps, if you fill up your RAM, you'll get lag. It's just a point of being a little bit intelligent with your phone. Unless QC failed at Samsung and you have a faulty device, the Nexus should run really smoothly, regardless of how many apps you have installed (again, within the limitations of the internal memory). But having 50 apps open (just a plain example) will of course have its impact on the device, the same as it would on 'that competing platform'.
Reopening apps is superfast anyway so there really isn't a reason to keep too many of them open. I force close my apps all the time as well and never had it backfire on me, so I don't see how it would have a bad effect.
Of course you can always start playing around with another ROM or overclocking the phone just to get a little bit more juice from it. I'm running on 1.3Ghz at the moment and must say that it improves the general experiences and reduces lag somewhat as well.
Good luck,
Greetz

If it had 1gb ram you would be fine..m.

Q: Why are my homescreens lagging?

Every now and then my homescreens gets very sluggish and laggy, to make them turn I really need to be explicit and slow in gesturing. It seems to start at random, haven't found anything that appears to set it off.
Reebooting solves the problem, until next time of course. Getting quite annoyed with it at this point.
I have tried disabling live wallpaper and taking a look at what apparently are running, but it doesn't seems to be the problem.
It's a nexus s i9023 running 2.3.6 stock. Not rooted.
Hope there's a reply out there, thank you.
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what possibly happened was you may have bunch of apps that autorun themselves when certain events occur such as when you regain network signal, receive a phone call, turn on screen, etc... over time these apps take up cpu which cause the lags you're experiencing. i would suggest rooting your phone and install Rom Toolbox or buy Autostarts app to stop some of these apps from autorunning.. The Nexus S is the easiest and most painless device to root.
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I'm running almost the same apps as on my old Wildfire, and enver encountered the problem with it.
I'd prefer not to root my phone at this point. Bought just under a month ago, with the idea of running stock to see how the "pure android" experience was
I also find it hard to imagine that there isn't another way around the problem.
It just doesn't make sense to me that it takes so little to bog down the phone and that the solution is root

mine got very slow on 2.3.6 after not having done a wipe for 6-7 months. I didn't even have many apps installed. The phone runs a lot faster on ICS rooted or not.

Yeah, I've heard it should run better with ics and I'm quite tempted to just go for it with one of the many ROMs out there. Must admit I'm hoping for the official ota to arrive soon. I'd like to keep the phone unrooted so it'll recieve the official update. But if the wait proves too long I might just have to find a good ROM
Any advice for a stable no-fuzz ROM that won't cause me too many issues with stuff not working properly?
The issues with the lagging homescreens have been present in 2.3.3 as well. Was hoping 2.3.6 would fix it, but alas:-\
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piratekayak said:
Yeah, I've heard it should run better with ics and I'm quite tempted to just go for it with one of the many ROMs out there. Must admit I'm hoping for the official ota to arrive soon. I'd like to keep the phone unrooted so it'll recieve the official update. But if the wait proves too long I might just have to find a good ROM
Any advice for a stable no-fuzz ROM that won't cause me too many issues with stuff not working properly?
The issues with the lagging homescreens have been present in 2.3.3 as well. Was hoping 2.3.6 would fix it, but alas:-\
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1399956

you can also just install advanced task killer (free on market) and kill some apps that are running and u might not need them.
Also you can try the Go lancher Ex (free on market - is a lancher that runs themes and schemes, from my experience this app make everything run smoother and faster).
Anyway like others said already custom ISC are really nice to use
cheers

Installed ADW launcher.EX and it appears to have solved the issues. Thanks for the input
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Disappointed with stock (JB) experience?

Howdy hello,
I've been on my Nexus S since GB. Ever since I've rooted and been running custom ROMs. I've had some awesome experiences but some crappy ones at the same time, all of which I attributed to my phone running a custom ROM.
Now I've finally got the new, new stock JB on my device, and after running it for a few weeks, I'm a bit disappointed. The features are nice and all, but there are so many issues I face that make it near unusable. To name a few:
Google Now takes way too long to pull up. At least 5 seconds and even while it's loading the cards, it's very laggy. The search button used to be a quick way for me to search for something, but the is effectively ruined with this lag.
Constantly losing data / connectivity. I know this may be at the carrier level, but I've never had this much trouble. ALSO, in these cases, the phone will often be reporting that it has full bars / full 3g connectivity, so either way the phone is acting screwy. I mean seriously, the one thing I need my phone to do is make a damn phone call, yet it semi-frequently fails to do so.
Apps fail left and right. Today my youtube app crashed in the middle of the first video I pulled up on it. I know this isn't really the OS, but it's part of the stock experience, and I think android should be held responsible.
Just a few minor gripes. I'm just wondering: has anyone else experienced this? I did a full wipe before installing the stock JB rom, and I don't think it could just be root permissions making things go wacky. I may consider re-wiping and only installing a few apps, but I really don't have that much crap installed, so I'm not sure if that's the issue as well.
I saw another post recommending to get a new SIM card from AT&T. I have had mine for a few years, so that could be a possible fix for issue #2, but I don't think that's the entire reason.
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks a lot all.

Stock JB was very laggy on my NS for some reason. Even swipping pages in the home screen was laggy. Some apps would instantly crash, too.

I've been running custom JB roms on my Nexus S, and its been running really well. The only thing is im experiencing the same lag that you do with Google Now. It has caused me to open my browser to do a search, which is disappointing, because in GB and ICS, the Google Search bar was so quick and convenient.

shyguyhighfive said:
Howdy hello,
I've been on my Nexus S since GB. Ever since I've rooted and been running custom ROMs. I've had some awesome experiences but some crappy ones at the same time, all of which I attributed to my phone running a custom ROM.
Now I've finally got the new, new stock JB on my device, and after running it for a few weeks, I'm a bit disappointed. The features are nice and all, but there are so many issues I face that make it near unusable. To name a few:
Google Now takes way too long to pull up. At least 5 seconds and even while it's loading the cards, it's very laggy. The search button used to be a quick way for me to search for something, but the is effectively ruined with this lag.
Constantly losing data / connectivity. I know this may be at the carrier level, but I've never had this much trouble. ALSO, in these cases, the phone will often be reporting that it has full bars / full 3g connectivity, so either way the phone is acting screwy. I mean seriously, the one thing I need my phone to do is make a damn phone call, yet it semi-frequently fails to do so.
Apps fail left and right. Today my youtube app crashed in the middle of the first video I pulled up on it. I know this isn't really the OS, but it's part of the stock experience, and I think android should be held responsible.
Just a few minor gripes. I'm just wondering: has anyone else experienced this? I did a full wipe before installing the stock JB rom, and I don't think it could just be root permissions making things go wacky. I may consider re-wiping and only installing a few apps, but I really don't have that much crap installed, so I'm not sure if that's the issue as well.
I saw another post recommending to get a new SIM card from AT&T. I have had mine for a few years, so that could be a possible fix for issue #2, but I don't think that's the entire reason.
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks a lot all.
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The cards could be taking longer to load because of your flaky connectivity. Can't expect them to load instantly if your data/signal is dying all the time, can you?

Definitely an inferior experience here on stock JB compared to ICS. Really hope Google fix this in an incremental update, as it's a bit silly their second-best phone can't run JB properly.

polobunny said:
The cards could be taking longer to load because of your flaky connectivity. Can't expect them to load instantly if your data/signal is dying all the time, can you?
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heh, that's a fair point. I'm not so upset with the cards taking a long time to load as I am that, while they are loading, the OS is very unstable. It's difficult for me to bring up the keyboard and search google while it's trying to load those cards. I can't believe it's not butter
Nothijngrad said:
Definitely an inferior experience here on stock JB compared to ICS. Really hope Google fix this in an incremental update, as it's a bit silly their second-best phone can't run JB properly.
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My thoughts exactly . I was excited to get back on stock so I could have a functional phone without any added bells and whistles. New features are nice, but not at this price.

Try running a custom kernel.. Try the thalamus kernel its very stockish and it's SUPER smooth..
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I'm running stock on [email protected] with a matrix kernel everything smooth for me
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I had problems with JB too. There were a few lags, especially with Google Now. Some apps would crash every time I tried to open them, and the launcher crashed every time I tried to change wall paper.

shyguyhighfive said:
Howdy hello,
I've been on my Nexus S since GB. Ever since I've rooted and been running custom ROMs. I've had some awesome experiences but some crappy ones at the same time, all of which I attributed to my phone running a custom ROM.
Now I've finally got the new, new stock JB on my device, and after running it for a few weeks, I'm a bit disappointed. The features are nice and all, but there are so many issues I face that make it near unusable. To name a few:
Google Now takes way too long to pull up. At least 5 seconds and even while it's loading the cards, it's very laggy. The search button used to be a quick way for me to search for something, but the is effectively ruined with this lag.
Constantly losing data / connectivity. I know this may be at the carrier level, but I've never had this much trouble. ALSO, in these cases, the phone will often be reporting that it has full bars / full 3g connectivity, so either way the phone is acting screwy. I mean seriously, the one thing I need my phone to do is make a damn phone call, yet it semi-frequently fails to do so.
Apps fail left and right. Today my youtube app crashed in the middle of the first video I pulled up on it. I know this isn't really the OS, but it's part of the stock experience, and I think android should be held responsible.
Just a few minor gripes. I'm just wondering: has anyone else experienced this? I did a full wipe before installing the stock JB rom, and I don't think it could just be root permissions making things go wacky. I may consider re-wiping and only installing a few apps, but I really don't have that much crap installed, so I'm not sure if that's the issue as well.
I saw another post recommending to get a new SIM card from AT&T. I have had mine for a few years, so that could be a possible fix for issue #2, but I don't think that's the entire reason.
Any feedback is welcome. Thanks a lot all.
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Hmm I can say that AOSP JB is WAYYYY better than ICS. Soon I can port my ROM from the NS4G to the NS.

I have to agree with this. I've used stock JB when it was released, I was wowed by it's smoothness and cool animations. But everything felt a little slow and sluggish coming from ICS custom rom. After switching to Jellybro, JB feels both very fast and smooth. If you feel disappointed with JB, try using custom rom.
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I don't know if you guys with problem tried that yet, but it might be a good idea to do a factory reset. You will lose all your data if not backed up but I'm getting a feeling it could help. JB has only been smoother than ICS for most.

Looking to get an NS soon, but it may help, as others have mentioned to run a custom kernel and bump up the clock speeds a bit.
My N1 is almost perfectly smooth (very little lag and often times none) with JB installed and overclocked.
My GNEX is smooth as butter. (As to be expected). But I guess what I'm saying is, if the N1 can run JB smooth, then the NS should not have any problems.
And while I know AOSP is technically designed to run on multiple devices, only two were in mind when JB was released....the N7 and the GNEX. Everything else is an afterthought in which AOSP may not be fully optimized for the hardware that is pushing it. (Just my opinion).
And another opinion while I'm on my soap box. JB is what ICS should have been.

In my opinion 512 MB of RAM are a tight fit for Jelly Bean. I can just run 3-4 background apps without kill-restart-kill-restart-kill-restart and a constant lag.
I remember some kernels used to have compcache support. Maybe I could try to enable compcache/zram.

got556 said:
Looking to get an NS soon, but it may help, as others have mentioned to run a custom kernel and bump up the clock speeds a bit.
My N1 is almost perfectly smooth (very little lag and often times none) with JB installed and overclocked.
My GNEX is smooth as butter. (As to be expected). But I guess what I'm saying is, if the N1 can run JB smooth, then the NS should not have any problems.
And while I know AOSP is technically designed to run on multiple devices, only two were in mind when JB was released....the N7 and the GNEX. Everything else is an afterthought in which AOSP may not be fully optimized for the hardware that is pushing it. (Just my opinion).
And another opinion while I'm on my soap box. JB is what ICS should have been.
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I just got my GNex and the difference with JB on this phone is night and day. I didn't think it would be but I'm pleasantly surprised. But yeah. The RAM issue seems to be my biggest gripe with it on the NS. And for some reason, it just dominated my battery. I went through my first cycle on stock with Trinity and managed 3.5 hours of screen time over the course of almost 17 hours and still had a little under 50% remaining. My NS would've been dead long before that with the same usage pattern.....

I run stock JB with Matr1x. It works very very well.
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ekerazha said:
In my opinion 512 MB of RAM are a tight fit for Jelly Bean. I can just run 3-4 background apps without kill-restart-kill-restart-kill-restart and a constant lag.
I remember some kernels used to have compcache support. Maybe I could try to enable compcache/zram.
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Not to mention it only uses 368 mb of them. If it used the full 512, it would be pretty nice

I'm running Androxide 3.1 and used to run AdamG's custom ROM. Both ran great, no hiccups what so ever, Google now loads very fast, I guess it depends on your GPS and internet connection. My experience with JB is far better than the fastest ICS ROM out there, I believe given enough time, performance will become exceptional.

Logomotph said:
I run stock JB with Matr1x. It works very very well.
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Not to mention it only uses 368 mb of them. If it used the full 512, it would be pretty nice
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That can be tweaked a bit with different kernels.

I am running XenonHD 9 + marmite 4.2 kernel. It's stable and smooth. Worth a try.

Performance and Alternate Firmwares

Folks,
My TF700, along with a few others I've seen post here, has been increasingly sluggish under JB compared to ICS, regardless of how many cold boots and complete resets are performed. In addition, I get frequent white screen crashes and complete reboots that happen under heavy use.
So, with that said, here are my questions from those of you with some experience:
1. Should we expect an update from the manufacturer that will address all of this within a short (month?) period of time?
2. Since it's official that CM will provide an "official" port to the TF700, how long does it usually take them to provide a fairly feature rich one (GPS, Microphone, etc support unlike the unofficial port in the development forums)?
3. If both #1 & #2 are >1 month, can you recommend a solution that provides all tablet features? The other JB builds I saw do not provide full features from what I could see, correct?
Thank you for any answers you can provide.

If you are unlocked, you can always downgrade to ICS .30, or a custom Rom like cleanrom.

spinaldex said:
Folks,
My TF700, along with a few others I've seen post here, has been increasingly sluggish under JB compared to ICS, regardless of how many cold boots and complete resets are performed. In addition, I get frequent white screen crashes and complete reboots that happen under heavy use.
So, with that said, here are my questions from those of you with some experience:
1. Should we expect an update from the manufacturer that will address all of this within a short (month?) period of time?
2. Since it's official that CM will provide an "official" port to the TF700, how long does it usually take them to provide a fairly feature rich one (GPS, Microphone, etc support unlike the unofficial port in the development forums)?
3. If both #1 & #2 are >1 month, can you recommend a solution that provides all tablet features? The other JB builds I saw do not provide full features from what I could see, correct?
Thank you for any answers you can provide.
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1. ASUS are not quick. Given past performance I don't think there is a chance of seeing an update that will successfully deal with the sluggishness issues.
2. I don't think it will be too long until the first official CM10 builds are released (days/weeks rather than weeks/months). Looking at where they are in development at present I expect the initial releases to be pretty complete. However, until they are released and tested you never know what problems and bugs may be encountered.
3. Your best bet at the moment is CleanROM - its the stock rom with all the bloat removed and some other tweaks to improve performance. Having tried the stock JB release and CleanROM I will say that the performance of CleanROM is way better.

Reboots, white screens and freezes are not normal for this or any tablet.
Firmwares and roms won't fix this. Send it back and get one that functions properly.

sbdags said:
Reboots, white screens and freezes are not normal for this or any tablet.
Firmwares and roms won't fix this. Send it back and get one that functions properly.
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actually, reboots and freezes are quite normal. There have been several posts about it since this device launched. I was a victim of this as well. Made me want to get rid of it. but after rooting and installing cleanrom, i have not had any issues.
Yes, the rom gets rid of the bloat, but with the new update, you have the option of keeping the bloat that you may want. I highly recommend rooting and installing this rom. It will feel like you purchased a new device.

timrock said:
actually, reboots and freezes are quite normal. There have been several posts about it since this device launched. I was a victim of this as well. Made me want to get rid of it. but after rooting and installing cleanrom, i have not had any issues.
Yes, the rom gets rid of the bloat, but with the new update, you have the option of keeping the bloat that you may want. I highly recommend rooting and installing this rom. It will feel like you purchased a new device.
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Your experience is just one data point and all the other posts combined here are just an incredibly small subset of the entire install base, so, no, just because you experienced it does not make it "normal". IMHO, regular reboots and freezes are NOT normal in a properly functioning TF running compatible software (some android apps do suck and/or are not compatible with new OS versions).
So, in spite of your experience, I personally would NEVER recommend doing something that will permanently void the warranty and completely eliminate the possibility of returning it if the root cause is a hardware problem. Instead, I'd return it, if the new one does it too switch brands.
I'm glad for your happiness with the updated ROM but an unlock on an in warranty tablet that is behaving badly is fundamentally bad advice, IMHO.

zenaxe said:
Your experience is just one data point and all the other posts combined here are just an incredibly small subset of the entire install base, so, no, just because you experienced it does not make it "normal". IMHO, regular reboots and freezes are NOT normal in a properly functioning TF running compatible software (some android apps do suck and/or are not compatible with new OS versions).
So, in spite of your experience, I personally would NEVER recommend doing something that will permanently void the warranty and completely eliminate the possibility of returning it if the root cause is a hardware problem. Instead, I'd return it, if the new one does it too switch brands.
I'm glad for your happiness with the updated ROM but an unlock on an in warranty tablet that is behaving badly is fundamentally bad advice, IMHO.
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well xda is not the only website where people talk about electronics. I have seen a great number of complaints about this device. And i agree, there could be a very large number of people out there who are happy with their devices and don't have these issues. But it still remains, there are issues.
I can suggest/recommend people to root/unlock their devices, whether they do it or not, thats totally up to them. Before doing so, they should know the risk involved.

I'll be completely honest on how I feel about the TF700. Before the JB update, the tablet was slow. After the JB update, the tablet was still slow! I love the concept behind the TF700, and it's a beautiful tablet. But, it really does just suck because of its I/O.
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R0CKSTAR3N3RGY said:
I'll be completely honest on how I feel about the TF700. Before the JB update, the tablet was slow. After the JB update, the tablet was still slow! I love the concept behind the TF700, and it's a beautiful tablet. But, it really does just suck because of its I/O.
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I really must just be lucky because I honestly have not experienced any of the lag or crashes that other people report. Yeah, transfer speed over USB is unusually slow, but it's still better than what USB 1.1 was
Honestly, from all that I've read, this tab is hit or miss. You will either have an absolute dream machine or you will have a nightmare. If you are #1, congrats and have fun with this beast. If you are #2 and it's too late to return it, try out all the roms and see which you like best. Even though the custom roms are fun on this tablet, I return time after time to just plain ol' rooted de-odexed stock and remove the bloat myself. This has consistently given me the best overall results

It sounds closed minded, but I don't think it's hit or miss. The I/O issue has run in the Transformer line up from the beginning. I was foolish to believe they would get it under control by the TF700. I love the tablet, I do, but its I/O is undeniably terrible. There's times when it runs flawless for me. But there other times where I can't even stand to use it. I haven't had a single freeze or reboot on JB, Just times of slow performance. If this thing had a better I/O, it would be the best damn tablet ever.
I'm really scared for the Vivo tab, it might have an I/O issue too. God forbid you have an I/O issue with Windows....
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Not only is the i/o bad (usually code for slow random read/write), but the sequential read is also horrendous. It takes forever for this tablet to load.
The solution would be more ram or to mount the device on an external microsd with better performance.
That being said the infinitys all weve got for fhd tablets until the bew samsung nexus fhd tablet cominf out next year (which will probably be gimped because google wont allow external storage on nexus devices).
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I never had any problems with my tablet on a stock firmware (latest JB). What annoyed me very much is the slugish performance.
Navigation between screens and applications is annoying. I often use google reader and adobe acrobat to read PDFs, and they were so bad.
I do also have samsung galaxy s3 which flies comparing to TF700. My gf has ipad3 which is uber fast too.
So, I've decided to try out CleanRom and so far it's good. It's definitely faster and more smooth.

I have my tablet now 3 weeks. After byuing it I was 4 days on ICS and then got the update to JB.
The speed difference is immense and I have no sluggishness at all.
Only thing I have is that 1 time it wouldn't come out of deep sleep (had to reboot) and had 1 spontaneous reboot since then.
Froze many bloat apps and that gave the tablet some air to breathe RAM wise.
But stock browser is very fast and last week I could compare it to an Ipad3 and speed is quite the same. It depends more on the Wifi speed available.
Opening apps is instantly and fast so no complaints here.
Strange that the experience of some users is totally different.
But let's say there are now 1 million Infinity's sold, a very minority have probs because (proven) people who have complaints will look for it on the internet and will start complaining there also.
But who has no probs will not come here, for sure the majority of users.
So do not magnify the probs more than needed and do not generalize them.
But for sure complain to ASUS asking for a solution depending of the prob by either replacing the defective unit or come quickly with an software update.
Just my 2c

[Q] Tab 2 7.0 P3110 Pre Root Question

Hi,
I just got a free tab 2 with a Samsung camera, and have given it to my son to use, playing Agent Dash it often lags to the point where its not really playable, but sometimes its fine which is bizzare, anyway I'm considering rooting it and putting a custom rom on which I'm guessing will help???
Question is If I put some rom on and custom recovery etc can I go back to a stock Samsung recovery and firmware and reset the flash counter should I wish?
Thanks in advance
edit. Also are there any roms which look similar to the Samsung stock one with touchwiz that would perform better?

bradmax57 said:
Hi,
I just got a free tab 2 with a Samsung camera, and have given it to my son to use, playing Agent Dash it often lags to the point where its not really playable, but sometimes its fine which is bizzare, anyway I'm considering rooting it and putting a custom rom on which I'm guessing will help???
Question is If I put some rom on and custom recovery etc can I go back to a stock Samsung recovery and firmware and reset the flash counter should I wish?
Thanks in advance
edit. Also are there any roms which look similar to the Samsung stock one with touchwiz that would perform better?
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I"d say you won't get any improvement. Sounds like a app problem. I"d send a note to the developer. There is little difference if any in performance between CM based JB and Stock. Are you on the stock JB ? There is a difference in performance between ICS and JB.
And no , there is no stock ROM that performs better. IN general I'd say the tab performs very well. and problems you see are usually poorly written apps.of which there are a lot

DigitalMD said:
I"d say you won't get any improvement. Sounds like a app problem. I"d send a note to the developer. There is little difference if any in performance between CM based JB and Stock. Are you on the stock JB ? There is a difference in performance between ICS and JB
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Yeah updated it as soon as I got it yesterday its on P3110XXCLK7, I had another one earlier in the week but that came and the box was smashed up so got it swapped, I only briefly tried that one but it seemed to play fine, I restored this one last night thinking that might help but its come back, I was playing it myself a few hours ago for about 20-30 mins and it was fine, put it on charge and then took it off charge and tried again and it started to lag big time.
If I flash the stock rom via odin over the top it wont affect the flash counter will it? Maybe something got buggered during the update? Having said that it only appears to be this app
I've put a clip of it on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K988t6tgNUM

bradmax57 said:
Yeah updated it as soon as I got it yesterday its on P3110XXCLK7, I had another one earlier in the week but that came and the box was smashed up so got it swapped, I only briefly tried that one but it seemed to play fine, I restored this one last night thinking that might help but its come back, I was playing it myself a few hours ago for about 20-30 mins and it was fine, put it on charge and then took it off charge and tried again and it started to lag big time.
If I flash the stock rom via odin over the top it wont affect the flash counter will it? Maybe something got buggered during the update? Having said that it only appears to be this app
I've put a clip of it on you tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K988t6tgNUM
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Falshing stock ROM by Odin will not affect the counter.
I never experience lag on this tablet, but certain apps will mess up any device. If you are having a problem with only one app , check with the developer. if you are not sure what's slowing things down try a cpu analyzer and see what is eating your resources up..
A lot of games now access the web during the game to provide interactive play or offer to sell you things, that can often slow things down.

DigitalMD said:
I"d say you won't get any improvement. Sounds like a app problem. I"d send a note to the developer. There is little difference if any in performance between CM based JB and Stock. Are you on the stock JB ? There is a difference in performance between ICS and JB.
And no , there is no stock ROM that performs better. IN general I'd say the tab performs very well. and problems you see are usually poorly written apps.of which there are a lot
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DigitalMD said:
Falshing stock ROM by Odin will not affect the counter.
I never experience lag on this tablet, but certain apps will mess up any device. If you are having a problem with only one app , check with the developer. if you are not sure what's slowing things down try a cpu analyzer and see what is eating your resources up..
A lot of games now access the web during the game to provide interactive play or offer to sell you things, that can often slow things down.
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Yeah hadnt thought about that, i'll try again with wifi off

bradmax57 said:
Yeah hadnt thought about that, i'll try again with wifi off
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Games often use lots of hacks to try to get certain things to work, and the hacks get hammered sometimes when the Android version changes.

seems clearing the app cache helps but it doesnt seem to last too long

bradmax57 said:
seems clearing the app cache helps but it doesnt seem to last too long
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How much internal storage do you have free?

About 3gb