Okay, I used to love this phone. I got it back in Feb when it was relatively new to where I live and the first thing I did was root and flash it with CM. This gave me a serious case of ORD and I couldn't stop trying out new ROMs on my phone. It was amazing! And fun! And everything was quick. Couple months down the line, I lost my phone and quickly replaced it with another Nexus S. More flashing ensued.
So, now 8 months down the line, I find myself getting a little bored with the constant flashing and I've been looking for something that will be stable. Now, here's the problem, after the first flash of a ROM everything seems super zippy! And it fills me with hope and brings a tear to my eye. But, then I start actually using my phone...load 25 apps...everything's fine...50 apps...going strong...75 apps, 4 days in...uh oh, OH HAI LAG!...*phone makes a trollface*...100 apps, a week in...the lag is so bad I can't do any gaming...my favourite game Muffin Knight makes me want to chuck my phone across the room; it lags so much that by the time I think I've got me a sweet muffin, I'm somehow teleported to a little rat's back. This is the case with any ROM - CM7, MIUI, several AOSP ROMs like Oxygen, CO2, SuperAOSP/OSR, NexusBread. All of them slow down after several days.
What causes this? Can it be a hardware issue? Do I have a faulty phone? Could it be I flashed too much? I never really was one for overclocking, my phone doesn't handle it well for the long haul. Is it Android's memory management that is poor? Oh, and while we're on the topic. What the heck is "True Multitasking"? Does it mean, when I'm playing a game, I get a call and when I hang up, the game has restarted? Or I load a page on my browser and when I go back it has to reload? Or pausing any game and pressing home to do something else, then coming back to it to see it has to restart? I don't think my phone can handle more than two tasks well.
Anyway, at this point, what do the XDAliens think I should do? A hard reset? Maybe format my SD card too? Or what else can I do? Any suggestions would help.
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Okay, I used to love this phone. I got it back in Feb when it was relatively new to where I live and the first thing I did was root and flash it with CM. This gave me a serious case of ORD and I couldn't stop trying out new ROMs on my phone. It was amazing! And fun! And everything was quick. Couple months down the line, I lost my phone and quickly replaced it with another Nexus S. More flashing ensued.
So, now 8 months down the line, I find myself getting a little bored with the constant flashing and I've been looking for something that will be stable. Now, here's the problem, after the first flash of a ROM everything seems super zippy! And it fills me with hope and brings a tear to my eye. But, then I start actually using my phone...load 25 apps...everything's fine...50 apps...going strong...75 apps, 4 days in...uh oh, OH HAI LAG!...*phone makes a trollface*...100 apps, a week in...the lag is so bad I can't do any gaming...my favourite game Muffin Knight makes me want to chuck my phone across the room; it lags so much that by the time I think I've got me a sweet muffin, I'm somehow teleported to a little rat's back. This is the case with any ROM - CM7, MIUI, several AOSP ROMs like Oxygen, CO2, SuperAOSP/OSR, NexusBread. All of them slow down after several days.
What causes this? Can it be a hardware issue? Do I have a faulty phone? Could it be I flashed too much? I never really was one for overclocking, my phone doesn't handle it well for the long haul. Is it Android's memory management that is poor? Oh, and while we're on the topic. What the heck is "True Multitasking"? Does it mean, when I'm playing a game, I get a call and when I hang up, the game has restarted? Or I load a page on my browser and when I go back it has to reload? Or pausing any game and pressing home to do something else, then coming back to it to see it has to restart? I don't think my phone can handle more than two tasks well.
Anyway, at this point, what do the XDAliens think I should do? A hard reset? Maybe format my SD card too? Or what else can I do? Any suggestions would help.
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wipe your dalvik and try to reboot at least once a day,
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wipe your dalvik and try to reboot at least once a day,
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Oh, I do do that! As part of my troubleshooting. But, it doesn't help much. Maybe an hour or so of seemingly lag free use. But, once I've used a bunch of apps it's back to Lagville. So yeah, no go, at least not when it come to Muffin Knight (Lol, this has become my benchmark)
EDIT: I should also mention, I've tried moving a lot of my heavy apps to SD.
technically since nexus has internal memory shouldnt be as fast as "normal" internal memory? ie internal memory and SD space? But 100 apps that is quite a bit. Shouldnt be aproblem
So, no one else experiences lags after a few days of running all their apps? Maybe once they cross the 70 apps mark. No stutters in scrolling or gaming? No one else notices Android's poor multi-tasking? Poor app load times, poor widget response times?
I'm trying to figure out if it's just my phone or whether this happens to everyone.
EDIT: Maybe I should revert back to stock and if the lags continue, I could take it in to the shop under warranty?
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So, no one else experiences lags after a few days of running all their apps? Maybe once they cross the 70 apps mark. No stutters in scrolling or gaming? No one else notices Android's poor multi-tasking? Poor app load times, poor widget response times?
I'm trying to figure out if it's just my phone or whether this happens to everyone.
EDIT: Maybe I should revert back to stock and if the lags continue, I could take it in to the shop under warranty?
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No, No and No - > 100 apps - stock rom. Everything remains smooth and has for a long time. I reboot the phone maybe twice a month and never force clear the dalvik cache.
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No, No and No - > 100 apps - stock rom. Everything remains smooth and has for a long time. I reboot the phone maybe twice a month and never force clear the dalvik cache.
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Thanks for the reply. I clear the dalvik ALL the time for flashing a new ROM or when my current one is feeling laggy. Maybe I shouldn't have. EDIT: I'm curious...Why do you not clear the Dalvik? Just because you've never had to?
Have you ever flashed other ROMs? Maybe bare AOSP ROMs like DevNull? Any issues there?
I'm thinking I should reset, reformat and return to stock...
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Thanks for the reply. I clear the dalvik ALL the time for flashing a new ROM or when my current one is feeling laggy. Maybe I shouldn't have. EDIT: I'm curious...Why do you not clear the Dalvik? Just because you've never had to?
Have you ever flashed other ROMs? Maybe bare AOSP ROMs like DevNull? Any issues there?
I'm thinking I should reset, reformat and return to stock...
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I don't see a reason to clear the Dalvik cache on a regular basis - that advice just doesn't make any sense. After you clear it, it just gets rebuilt when you reboot anyway, and just leads to a really long start up time. Unless you are installing / uninstalling a massive amount of apps and you feel the cache is far too large it just doesn't make sense. Between rom flashes, sure. But as a regular thing to help performance? That just doesn't hold water for me.
I flashed CM7 back around Feb / March but stability was an issue at that point still so I went back to stock. Since then I've never had any issues with running a rooted stock rom on the Nexus S so I never had any interest in most of the custom roms (outside of a few AOSP roms I built myself) as they all seem to introduce little bugs for the most part and I have little use for the "tweaks" and customizations included in most.
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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Igotsanevo4g said:
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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he never said he had 100 separate apps...he just said after the 100th time running an app
Igotsanevo4g said:
Ok, ill say it...Why the hell do you need that many apps. You can't possibly use them all. Delete the ones you don't need....
Anyways, wipe everything when you flash the rom, and don't wipe anything after that. Reboot every other day or so. That's what works for me but I have like 20 apps ..
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That's not very helpful. I should be able to have as many apps as I need. A certain competing platform allows this. Anyway, I do use most of my apps. Maybe not on a daily basis, but I want them around for when I need them.
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hp420 said:
he never said he had 100 separate apps...he just said after the 100th time running an app
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No, I meant 100 apps.
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I don't see a reason to clear the Dalvik cache on a regular basis - that advice just doesn't make any sense. After you clear it, it just gets rebuilt when you reboot anyway, and just leads to a really long start up time. Unless you are installing / uninstalling a massive amount of apps and you feel the cache is far too large it just doesn't make sense. Between rom flashes, sure. But as a regular thing to help performance? That just doesn't hold water for me.
I flashed CM7 back around Feb / March but stability was an issue at that point still so I went back to stock. Since then I've never had any issues with running a rooted stock rom on the Nexus S so I never had any interest in most of the custom roms (outside of a few AOSP roms I built myself) as they all seem to introduce little bugs for the most part and I have little use for the "tweaks" and customizations included in most.
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Okay, I've already started afresh with CO2. Going to see how it goes. Kind of going slow on reloading my apps. Maybe I can figure out better at what point performance starts to suffer.
If things don't work out, I will follow your lead. Thanks again!
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Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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that's the sole reason I've always steered clear of stock roms. That is my absolute favorite feature of CM & variants. I always long press every time I'm done with any app to close it
ka24e said:
Sounds like your memory is simply being used up by open/running apps. I would suggest going into settings -> applications -> development ->checkmark "stop app via long press".
When you are done using an app, hold the back button down. This will close the application and free up memory.
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But, there's a general consensus lately that task killers aren't good for Android. I'm thinking force killing apps would have the same effect. Also, if I have to do that just to get a reasonable experience, where does it leave Android's claim of "True Multitasking"?
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But, there's a general consensus lately that task killers aren't good for Android. I'm thinking force killing apps would have the same effect. Also, if I have to do that just to get a reasonable experience, where does it leave Android's claim of "True Multitasking"?
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Android is a "True Multitasking" system, but also has limitation as others PC or Server.
So if you want good speed, keep your background app clearly is a easy way.
try running v6 supercharger. it should help your device cope a lot better with so many apps on your device. link here. run beta 6.3 with a balanced setting and if you want more performance at the cost of it aggressively closing superfluous apps, go aggressive. also try nitro lag nullifier and don't forget to remove the extra .pdf extension off of the end because it's a shell script (.sh)
Cache has been invented for the sole purpose of speeding up a system or service. Forget about wiping your Dalvik cache and even the regular cache has its purpose on the phone. But that point has been cleared already.
The Nexus has its limitations just like any other device. The RAM can only cope with so much apps, if you fill up your RAM, you'll get lag. It's just a point of being a little bit intelligent with your phone. Unless QC failed at Samsung and you have a faulty device, the Nexus should run really smoothly, regardless of how many apps you have installed (again, within the limitations of the internal memory). But having 50 apps open (just a plain example) will of course have its impact on the device, the same as it would on 'that competing platform'.
Reopening apps is superfast anyway so there really isn't a reason to keep too many of them open. I force close my apps all the time as well and never had it backfire on me, so I don't see how it would have a bad effect.
Of course you can always start playing around with another ROM or overclocking the phone just to get a little bit more juice from it. I'm running on 1.3Ghz at the moment and must say that it improves the general experiences and reduces lag somewhat as well.
Good luck,
Greetz
If it had 1gb ram you would be fine..m.
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In the life of this phone, I have easily flashed a good 15-20 different Roms onto the device and used most of them for a decent amount of time. NO ROM has ever worked very good at all. The best luck I have ever had were with a couple like Valhalla and Octane that would work pretty decent for a couple months then the problems would always return in full force. Again, EVERY single rom has gotten extremely annoying problems eventually. I have had it with this phone.
I don't know what I could be missing here, as I have tried multiple times to start completely fresh from stock and wipe everything before and after a flash, but nothing works. The current ROM was installed after an sd card format, full wipe, wiped caches, etc... Right now it will randomly exit the messaging app frequently, has wifi problems, apps force close, random restarts, it often won't upload/download things because it says it doesn't have an sd card, and to top it off, CWM is having problems and will get stuck on a screen with just a picture and no words.
This phone is borderline unusable for its stability and other issues and I am tired of trying to make it work well. I am not even new to flashing roms, but this phone is a headache. Someone, please help me figure out what is wrong with this phone.
Even with these problems and my long rant here, this would still be a great phone and should have plenty of life left in it. I had minimal problems with my old SGS Captivate that I had before this, so I don't know what is wrong. Perhaps a piece of hardware is faulty? I would highly doubt that. I need help!
Use the GB Starter Pack. If you are using Titanium to put everything back, it may lead to problems. I remember a couple of times where restoring all my apks and data with Titanium caused a soft boot or force close cycle.
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I stopped using TB a long time ago. That would not be the problem.
What ROM are you currently using right now. Maybe see if you can take a log of it to find out why the things Messaging might not be working?
From my tank of a Galaxy S 4G. Seen more floor than a rookie lightweight in wrestling.
GreyDark said:
What ROM are you currently using right now. Maybe see if you can take a log of it to find out why the things Messaging might not be working?
From my tank of a Galaxy S 4G. Seen more floor than a rookie lightweight in wrestling.
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It is currently on the non-themed Octane 3.0. I don't have the phone next to me right now, but can you explain the process for taking a log?
It sounds like you've wasted too much time trying flashing roms and trying to make the piece of crap perfect than actually using the phone. As much as I hate the stock of this phone, I will suggest using the one click kj6 heimdall then root it and voodoo no tweaks. Also start from fresh and try octane v3.0 w/o tweaks or kernal updates.
http://rootzwiki.com/topic/11930-learn-to-logcat-like-a-pro/
I hope that helps you out. There are some apps on the market like CatLog and aLogcat that also take logs if the guide doesn't work for you.
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It sounds like you've wasted too much time trying flashing roms and trying to make the piece of crap perfect than actually using the phone. As much as I hate the stock of this phone, I will suggest using the one click kj6 heimdall then root it and voodoo no tweaks. Also start from fresh and try octane v3.0 w/o tweaks or kernal updates.
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Im not trying to make it perfect at all. I am just trying to make it usable. It is extremely annoying when all you want to do is create a message but the app constantly force closes no matter what you do. The dialer has had the same closing problem also. Or the frequent rebooting multiple times a day. Like I said, I have had a few good flashes, but they only last for a few months until the problems come back.
To me, it seems as if though you are having some cache problems. Start fresh. Flash to froyo and try. If that doesn't work, then take your phone to t-mobile, because that is a hardware problem. I have been using the same rom for a month or two now (latest beta version of my AOSP Style) and I haven't had a single fc. I have even used processor tweaks and whatnot. SO before you cuss this phone out, I suggest you try my solution, it is guaranteed to work.
Oh yeah, as air said, it might actually be a hardware problem.
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To me, it seems as if though you are having some cache problems. Start fresh. Flash to froyo and try. If that doesn't work, then take your phone to t-mobile, because that is a hardware problem. I have been using the same rom for a month or two now (latest beta version of my AOSP Style) and I haven't had a single fc. I have even used processor tweaks and whatnot. SO before you cuss this phone out, I suggest you try my solution, it is guaranteed to work.
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I have flashed back to froyo already, unfortunately. And there isn't a contract on the phone anyway. Do you know what piece of hardware would cause this though?
Not really sure, but if you are back to stock, I'd try to exchange it for another phone. I've had this phone since June (also not on contract), and I haven't had any of the problems you've had. Yes, I do need to reboot my phone every once in a while because bluetooth sticks and won't come on, but that's about it.
Usually, after I flash a rom and restore my programs/theme, I'll go back into cwm, wipe cache, wipe, dalvik, fix permissions, and then reboot and let the phone sit for a while. That usually takes care of making sure everything works right.
Are there any JB roms that, coupled with a custom kernal, are reliable enough for a serious daily driver? Every one I've tried is plagued with force stops, lockups, boot loops or are just generally unreliable. Anyone?
Every jb Rom is very reliable ..if you're getting bootloops and force closes and all that you're doing something wrong ...full wipe system and data each time you flash a new Rom ...but it's on your part if these roms don't seem reliable
Wrong. Factory wipes every time. Doing nothing different than with any other ICS rom.
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What Hboot are you running?
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What Hboot are you running?
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1.09
I'm looking for a rom that will be "business" reliable. I don't game or change roms as a hobby. I need something that can handle 40-50 phone calls, 15-20 voice mails, 50-75 emails and several texts a day without rebooting, locking up or force closings. Also, its important that Maps and Navigation work reliably and that internet works smoothly. I'm not the only one having problems with JB roms as there are numerous threads with problems others are experiencing. If I'm "doing it wrong" then how about some suggestions as to what to try. beankid, thank you for at least asking a pertinent question, without the usual smarmy [email protected]@ed comment.
gpo1956 said:
I'm looking for a rom that will be "business" reliable. I don't game or change roms as a hobby. I need something that can handle 40-50 phone calls, 15-20 voice mails, 50-75 emails and several texts a day without rebooting, locking up or force closings. Also, its important that Maps and Navigation work reliably and that internet works smoothly. I'm not the only one having problems with JB roms as there are numerous threads with problems others are experiencing. If I'm "doing it wrong" then how about some suggestions as to what to try. beankid, thank you for at least asking a pertinent question, without the usual smarmy [email protected]@ed comment.
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How about going into more detail? "bootloop" doesn't tell me much. And saying "Wrong. Doesn't work" isn't going to get you a lot of help either.
Wipe system
Factory Reset (you will have to reinstall apps if you do this)
Wipe Cache
Wipe Dalvik Cache
Flash the ROM
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I haven't gotten a single ROM.out of the scope of sense that has the video function correctly. When I replay videos recorded, there is a high pitched ring. Its on every single aosp ROM.
If that doesn't need to work correctly, you should be good to go.
If you are on new hboot just flash kernel first and wipe caches, and system. Then flash ROM and gapps.
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gpo1956 said:
I'm looking for a rom that will be "business" reliable. I don't game or change roms as a hobby. I need something that can handle 40-50 phone calls, 15-20 voice mails, 50-75 emails and several texts a day without rebooting, locking up or force closings. Also, its important that Maps and Navigation work reliably and that internet works smoothly. I'm not the only one having problems with JB roms as there are numerous threads with problems others are experiencing. If I'm "doing it wrong" then how about some suggestions as to what to try. beankid, thank you for at least asking a pertinent question, without the usual smarmy [email protected]@ed comment.
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If that's really what you need, stick with an ICS rom or go stock. The JB roms are all ported over; there are no Sense JB roms for the One X yet.
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How about going into more detail? "bootloop" doesn't tell me much. And saying "Wrong. Doesn't work" isn't going to get you a lot of help either.
Wipe system
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I do all factory resets every time I flash a rom, as I stated above. Wiping cache and dalvik goes without saying. Also, how much more detail would you like? Bootloops, force closes and lockups are pretty self explanatory. I had hoped for more than "but it's on your part if these roms don't seem reliable" or "Wrong. Doing it wrong." Sorry, but I simply cannot validate your self worth by giving you a Thanks for that one.
Stick to stock buddy if your going to have to rely greatly on these things than basically your answering your own question go back to a sense Rom or stock ... Peace
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I do all factory resets every time I flash a rom, as I stated above. Wiping cache and dalvik goes without saying. Also, how much more detail would you like? Bootloops, force closes and lockups are pretty self explanatory. I had hoped for more than "but it's on your part if these roms don't seem reliable" or "Wrong. Doing it wrong." Sorry, but I simply cannot validate your self worth by giving you a Thanks for that one.
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adb logcat (which for some reason tells you exactly why you bootloop and force close.. Pretty weird right?)
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I've NO problems with any of the jellybean ROMs
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I agree. I've tried a few and they've been rock solid for me. You're doing something wrong. Goo back to stock.
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Are there any JB roms that, coupled with a custom kernal, are reliable enough for a serious daily driver? Every one I've tried is plagued with force stops, lockups, boot loops or are just generally unreliable. Anyone?
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Are you titanium restoring your apps and data from a sence rom ? If you are that will give you problems, like your saying.
Install all apps fresh and just restore data.
Wow. So all these varied opinions circle back to the simple answer: No, they are not! That's what I needed to know. Thanks.:good:
CM10 would be your best bet, as it's mostly the base for all the others to add further on top of it, so it would stand to reason that CM would be the most stable, and I can confirm that. I'm running CM10 and it's been completely stable for me. No force closes, definitely no bootloops or random reboots. The trouble at the moment on the AOSP JB side is kernels. If you stick with the stock CM10 kernel, you're pretty good. rohan's kernel is the only other kernel to add to that, and it's got some major bugs right now that DO cause bootloops and random reboots.
That said, I think you answer your own question pretty well. If you want a phone that's 100% stable and the best all around ROM for everything, it would be fairly obvious that you'd want to stick to a ROM based off a stock Sense ROM. As with anything, using something that's in development or testing isn't going to be as stable for someone has mission critical needs. The biggest gap between Sense based ICS ROMs and AOSP JB ROMs right now is the battery life. With Sense ROMs I can EASILY get 24 hours at a minimum pretty much, granted that's with less calls than you say you're making. JB is still a little lacking, there I get a full day on average, but a lot of use could lower that. If you use your phone as much as you say, you'd probably want to stick with ICS roms with better battery life.
The biggest thing is to stay away from kernels with overclocking, undervolting, other governors, etc. While this can provide a nice boost and extra features, and can be fairly stable depending on the kernel, all of those provide big wildcards for system stability, especially OC/UV which entirely depends on how well your specific phone accepts being pushed.
So, are JB ROMs stable? I'd absolutely say yes without hesitation. Are they the right ROMs for you? Probably not.
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Wow. So all these varied opinions circle back to the simple answer: No, they are not! That's what I needed to know. Thanks.:good:
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All the opinions circle back to the simple answer that the problem lies with you. Obviously since you refuse to do anything other than complain you should just relock your bootloader and RUU to stock if you want something reliable.
You also refuse to even post a logcat, which proves to me you don't care enough.
And as I said earlier.. It's a magical little tool invented by fairies that tells you exactly what the problem is.
Let me explain this to you.
Are they reliable? Yes.
Can we make the decision for you? NO.
You can be the only person in the world having these problems, doesn't change the fact that the ROMs are amazing and stable.
So instead of coming in here and not taking any advice, take your own advice.. Do what you want to do.
CM10 installed fine without any problems for me.
I run my business from the field and this phone does it all. On average I do about 25 calls and 30or so emails daily. CM10 serves me just fine.
Learn to rom.
I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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Do you have an sd card in the slot? Try it without Roms shouldn't lag that much. CROMi-X is pretty much lag free for me. You must have something else causing the issue.
sbdags said:
Do you have an sd card in the slot? Try it without Roms shouldn't lag that much. CROMi-X is pretty much lag free for me. You must have something else causing the issue.
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No sd card. I think it's a hardware issue similar to this:
http://androidandme.com/2013/06/opi...from-the-best-to-worst-tablet-ive-ever-owned/
It probably has to do with Asus's quality control.
Do you think Squaretrade covers this type of thing? I have a SquareTrade warranty that covers accidental damage stuff.
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I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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Download lagfix. It like defragrements the storage and the the lag disappears
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ian1 said:
Download lagfix. It like defragrements the storage and the the lag disappears
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Lag's still there. I feel like it helped a tiny bit (probably placebo effect) but compared to my stock Nexus 7 and SGS2 with CM10.1, it's choppy and slow.
Non Sequitur said:
I was one of the early adopters of the TF700 and purchased mine from Office Depot sometime last summer. It was always laggy, but recently it's been pretty bad.
I've tried several ROMs including stock, CM10.1 and CROMi-X. All have this issue. It sometimes lags in simple tasks, but I've been finding the lag several places, like in the transition to the app drawer and the notification bars. There are lots of choppy transitions everywhere.
Is there anything I can do to fix it? Currently running CM10.1 with bryce's kernel. My bootloader is unlocked and I am rooted with TWRP. I'm at my wits' end and I'm pretty close to flashing stock and selling this thing.
Thanks!
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I got mine for Christmas, and mine seems to slowly be getting worse too. Mine is rather sluggish too, and I'm running completely stock at the moment with no expansion card. I've disabled quite a few of the stock apps, and I'm really not running much on here other than a few games.
It's even worse (might be unrelated to your issue though) if I unlock the device after it has been asleep for a while, sometimes I can't do anything for several minutes. It seems like it's checking for updates, e-mails, and notifications on every single app, because it would often spam me with notifications, particularly for the Facebook Messenger app, which I have recently removed. I made sure to turn off automatic updates and notifications for many apps, because it would start to update apps right after unlocking it, rendering it nearly unusable until it finished. I have the GreenPower battery manager app to help with battery life, which actually may make the problem worse because it forces WiFi to stay off after asleep for a while, so it can't update apps or get notifications until I unlock it.
I will look into the LagFix app.
Castun said:
I got mine for Christmas, and mine seems to slowly be getting worse too. Mine is rather sluggish too, and I'm running completely stock at the moment with no expansion card. I've disabled quite a few of the stock apps, and I'm really not running much on here other than a few games.
It's even worse (might be unrelated to your issue though) if I unlock the device after it has been asleep for a while, sometimes I can't do anything for several minutes. It seems like it's checking for updates, e-mails, and notifications on every single app, because it would often spam me with notifications, particularly for the Facebook Messenger app, which I have recently removed. I made sure to turn off automatic updates and notifications for many apps, because it would start to update apps right after unlocking it, rendering it nearly unusable until it finished. I have the GreenPower battery manager app to help with battery life, which actually may make the problem worse because it forces WiFi to stay off after asleep for a while, so it can't update apps or get notifications until I unlock it.
I will look into the LagFix app.
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If you are on stock check out Greenify. That's probably the most intelligent app to manage resources I have encountered. It's especially helpful with these pesky background services that think they have to run at all times.
It exists as an app in the Play Store (the paid version allows you to hibernate system apps and services - or those installed as such... like FB is on many systems), or as a module for Xposed Framework.
You do need root for this to run.
Another interesting way to speed up stock systems may be Xposed Framework. I just started to look into it - cannot say that much about it yet. But definitely worth looking into.
And then there's always the good old factory reset which does help clearing out accumulated crud. Yes, it's a pain to set up everything again, but if you're system becomes almost unusable it's a must try.
Again, if you are rooted you can use Titanium Backup to backup and restore your user apps, and if you are using a custom launcher like ADW, Apex or Nova, they all have a backup function and make it easy to restore your home screen setup.
I did a total clean install yesterday night while watching a movie and was done with it before it finished.
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Non Sequitur said:
Lag's still there. I feel like it helped a tiny bit (probably placebo effect) but compared to my stock Nexus 7 and SGS2 with CM10.1, it's choppy and slow.
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When did you do your last clean installation? Meaning wiping everything: system, data, cache and Dalvik before installing the ROM again and then only restoring user apps from backup - no system data!
If you lag that bad on a custom rom like CM 10.1 or CromiX, it's your setup, not the tablet or rom.
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Still on stock 4.1.1, was one of the very first people who bought it (a few weeks before the official release). Mine's not slowing down at all. 4.2 did cause some serious lag issues for people, on both the TF700 and the Nexus 7. (And yes, I use it daily.)
Maybe try going back to 4.1.1? I am quite happy with my decision to wait for others to try it first...
@berndblb: I know you were replying to Castun, but just to rule it out, my last totally clean install was not long ago. I also just did a factory reset in TWRP. Still laggy sometimes. Also, if I have it in any other mode except for Performance, it lags even worse...
I just now realized that my dock doesn't work, either. And I JUST did a factory reset and didn't restore any apps! It only works in safe mode, which doesn't make sense because I don't have any extra apps when I'm not in safe mode.
But yeah, I'm going to flash back to stock 4.2 and see if it's fixed. If not, I'll try 4.1. If push comes to shove, I'll sell it...
I also tried Greenify, but it didn't really do anything because all I have are system apps.
I flashed stock 4.2 and it fixed a lot of the lag. The device works pretty well now. Thanks for that suggestion, not a bad one! haha
Anyway, I have another small question in addition to this:
If I DO decide I still want to sell it, what's a good way to unroot, flash stock recovery, and relock the bootloader (if possible)? If I do, will I be able to recieve OTA updates? Thanks!
Non Sequitur said:
I flashed stock 4.2 and it fixed a lot of the lag. The device works pretty well now. Thanks for that suggestion, not a bad one! haha
Anyway, I have another small question in addition to this:
If I DO decide I still want to sell it, what's a good way to unroot, flash stock recovery, and relock the bootloader (if possible)? If I do, will I be able to recieve OTA updates? Thanks!
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Flashing the complete stock firmware automatically unroots and restores stock recovery. Relocking the bootloader does not re-enable OTA updates or manufacturer warranty, so it's useless to try.
As a flashaholic of sorts, I find that nothing feels better than a clean ROM install. It is very noticeable to me going from a ROM I've used for a week or two to wiping everything and doing a fresh install of the same, or different, ROM. Even after I restore all my backed up apps and everything I can tell a noticeable difference in performance and responsiveness. With this in mind I have two questions... Why does this happen? And what does everyone do to avoid this sluggishness?
me, i never wipe, and im known for dirty flashing and not wiping. ive never ever wiped my nexus 5, since day one. yet, i bet you that i have the fastest nexus 5 around. i do keep my phone up on a daily manor. im constantly cleaning it of "junk". oh, and i reboot at least once daily. the reboot keeps it from corrupting files.
simms22 said:
me, i never wipe, and im known for dirty flashing and not wiping. ive never ever wiped my nexus 5, since day one. yet, i bet you that i have the fastest nexus 5 around. i do keep my phone up on a daily manor. im constantly cleaning it of "junk". oh, and i reboot at least once daily. the reboot keeps it from corrupting files.
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I curious if you would still notice a difference if you did a fresh install. I'm not saying my device gets horribly slow by any means because I only realize it after I do a clean flash. What do you use to get rid of junk?
tkoreaper said:
I curious if you would still notice a difference if you did a fresh install. I'm not saying my device gets horribly slow by any means because I only realize it after I do a clean flash. What do you use to get rid of junk?
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a root file explorer, but ive been with android since the very beginning and generally learned to keep junk away from my phones/tablets, junk apps as well. and no, a fresh install isnt any different, unless youre the type of person that accumulates junk.
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a root file explorer, but ive been with android since the very beginning and generally learned to keep junk away from my phones/tablets, junk apps as well. and no, a fresh install isnt any different, unless youre the type of person that accumulates junk.
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I don't have any junk apps. I just use your standard issue ones. I don't have any games or anything either, only what I need. I don't quite understand what you consider "junk" that you'd be removing via a file explorer.
For speed I just give my N5 some LSD!
Its just the nature of android or a PC. The more files, apps, and stuff you have the slower it gets. More apps also mean more ram and more things running in the background.
How I deal with it? I flash a custom kernel and clean my cache, files, apps, and stuff I don't use, every once in awhile. Also the more stuff you have syncing effects performance also.
But don't get too caught up on making your nexus 5 fast and just enjoy it. Because it will become an obsession.
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No matter what ROM I put on my phone, sense 6, 7, AOSP 5.1 every rom I use my phone is extremely slow and unreliable. I'm not sure what I can do at this point and am wondering if the hardware is worn out, or I have corrupt files. I've wiped everything in twrp many times and still get a phone that can not even handle navigation without freezing or not working. Anyone else have terrible performance regardless of the rom?
Have you updated your firmware?
d1ez3 said:
No matter what ROM I put on my phone, sense 6, 7, AOSP 5.1 every rom I use my phone is extremely slow and unreliable. I'm not sure what I can do at this point and am wondering if the hardware is worn out, or I have corrupt files. I've wiped everything in twrp many times and still get a phone that can not even handle navigation without freezing or not working. Anyone else have terrible performance regardless of the rom?
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When was your last ruu? Doctor says to keep the bits clean you gotta ruu!
And depending on use you may want to run fs trim. Like this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fifthelement.trimmer
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d1ez3 said:
No matter what ROM I put on my phone, sense 6, 7, AOSP 5.1 every rom I use my phone is extremely slow and unreliable. I'm not sure what I can do at this point and am wondering if the hardware is worn out, or I have corrupt files. I've wiped everything in twrp many times and still get a phone that can not even handle navigation without freezing or not working. Anyone else have terrible performance regardless of the rom?
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To be honest.. I've only noticed this on ART file system. I just stick it out and restart my phone every so often and usually fixes it.
I even tested once Dalvik vs ART. I dont have any numbers to back up my theory, but as soon as i change back to dalvik, its night and day difference and doesnt slow down.
Unfortunately not sure if 5.x.x can use Dalvik
dottat said:
When was your last ruu? Doctor says to keep the bits clean you gotta ruu!
And depending on use you may want to run fs trim. Like this one
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fifthelement.trimmer
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Hah, I actually did this last night before checking this thread. I figured that was the only real option that would make my phone the same as new. So far running well, a lot better than before. I notice redraws and slowdowns only when navigating in my car with bluetooth and charging.. music streaming as well. Maybe it's a little much for the phone.
Clearing the internal memory definitely helped out, I'll try the trim eventually too.
Thanks for making the RUU