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graphic card on msm7227 same as snapdragon qsd8650

msn7227 has same graphic processor as snapdragon QSD8650 (AMD z430)
here the proof
msm7227:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9480443&D=LGE
QSD8650:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9334470&D=LG GW820
thats very good for the upcoming 7227 devices..

lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?

tsalta said:
lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?
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no i dont think so ...
blackstone has msm7201a that has the old generation graphics Q3Dimension MSM7500W
and the msm7227 ,Snapdragon QSD8250 B and QSD8650 has AMD z430 .
i am waiting for the msm7227 3d benchmarks to how good are they really..

hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.

Cotulla said:
hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.
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i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.

sx1-doc said:
i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.
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It wouldn't affect it. Snapdragon has faster CPU and supports 720p video where 7227 supports only WVGA and has 600mhz ARM11 CPU.
They're in completely different leagues.

MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast

Cotulla said:
MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast
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i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.

sx1-doc said:
i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
MSM7227 is nothing more than upgraded MSM7201 which is by many users considered piece of sh*t.
Compared to qsd8250 it is nothing but low end.
Besides 600mhz ARM11 CPU can't compete with any higher end device, so making it a minimum for WP7S would be pointless, especially considering the timeframe.
So stop whining. I don't see people whining about ipad having 1Ghz CPU...
Other way around. If MS would make lower minimum requirements people would complain that they are not competitive where others use better parts.
P.S. You can't run XP on it! XP is x86 based not ARM based so there is no way you could run it.
For ubuntu I would recommend something faster than 600mhz...

Maybe it's not fast enough for ubuntu or Win7 or whatever, but thanks for that info. HTC just put out the Legend, an android device, which is supposed to supersede the HTC Hero. From what we've seen there was nothing substantial to differentiate the 2 (apart from a dozen of Mhz clockspeed and some ram), but this is quite substancial news to us

it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).

sx1-doc said:
it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).
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To port WP7 you need drivers. We don't have them. To make drivers you need band of developers spending their free time trying to write them all by themselves or at best trying to port drivers from newer devices.
Only device which could probably/maybe run WP7 is HD2. End of story.
Don't fool yourself thinking that WP7 will be ported for old QVGA devices or even newer devices like Diamond, X1 or even HD(Blackstone) and not just because of MS but because ODM don't want to invest in old devices when they can invest in newer(which they can then sell and get some profit from it). End of story.
About msm7227. It's not bad. It is what msm7201 should be from the beginning but unfortunately now it is nothing more than mid class.

Of course this chipset has a less performant cpu than the snapdragon, but since they have the same gpu they will offer equal 3d performance. My demo here shows that the HD2 is very powerfull when it comes to extensive per-pixel calculations. The demo uses the gpu as much as possible, the speed of the cpu doesn't matter. So I think that my demo might run even faster on the HD mini than on the HD2, since it has less that half that much pixels compared to the HD2. We'll see
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Epic fail
All i have to say is -Mytouch 3g slide-. this entire thread is one "Epic fail" of, well , i guess some sort of debate of wits. The MTS has the ARM 600 and it is BEAST!!!! Say what you will about this comment but the fact remains that this phone has proven you all wrong. Cheap, low-end, crap..... none of it true when HTC and Android 2.1 combined to use this hardware and created this device...
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[INFO] WTH is this A9 and A8 Cortex stuff ?? The Sensation CPU is A9 Period.

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title says it all.

Is that Wikipedia? lol
Anyways, from what I've learned, the 8660/8260 are mixes of A8 and A9.

Considering it lists the single core snapdragons as a8, and the dual core snapdragon as a9, when they both contain the same cpu design, that source clearly has issues. Its neither a8 nor a9 but performance wise its somewhere in between. Though it has better neon performance than both.

The Orion cpu is still much more effcient and better anyway... it is also equipped with a better gpu (mali 400)

Its based off the 8's design, just a bit modified.

The dual core snapdragon also includes asynchronous clocking of the cores which depending on the workload could make it more battery efficient.

It's completely irrelevant anyway.
ARM is the company who gives licenses to other company to use their technology, but it's not a final product.
The thing that matters is the actual performance.

As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.

kampf said:
As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.
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Despite having "vast" differences there are very few differences speed differences between CPUS.
The biggest differences between the hummingbird and the snapdragon is the GPU.

actually it s not A9 nor A8, it is at base an enhanced A8 that is similar to A9 architecture in many ways, but has some tweaks up it sleves, Qualcomm call this architecture "Scorpio"
hope this will clear it up:http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year/

^^ I agree. I did some research into the A8, A9, and core differences again last night. The MSM chip used in the Sensation is a much-modified A8. Qualcomm loves to tinker with the ARM designs.
I do think it's still probably a better chip than the Tegra2, but not the A5/Exy.

Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.

tolis626 said:
Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.
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regardless of if it is closer to a9 or not, it's competitors are putting up better benchmarks, so we end up getting ****tier hardware.

Exynos 4210___VS___OMAP4460=iPhone5

Exynos 4210
-1-1.4 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9
- ARM Mali-400 MP
- DDR3
(Samsung Galaxy S II, Hardkernel ODROID-A)
OMAP4460
- 1.5 GHz Dual-Core ARM Cortex-A9
- PowerVR SGX540 @ 384 MHz
- Dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller
(Google Nexus Prime (rumor), Archos 101 (Gen 9), Archos 80 (Gen 9), Sharp 104SH)
Apple A-5
Apple will most likely use a chip A5, similar to that of the iPad 2, the performance graphics core that is two to four times higher than in the Galaxy S II.
....I am a bit disappointed...why ?? check the benchmark test below

Which one are you disappointed with? They're both great!

666fff said:
Which one are you disappointed with? They're both great!
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But not that great compared to the Apple A5.

Samsung announced a Exynos 4212 for next year.
Isn't there a OMAP 4470 with an SGX 544 announced too?
I'm sure the Apple A6 will be dandy too.
Its all good in the SOC land unless you like Nokia phones.

WTH has this got to do with the Samsung GS2? Why are people just posting anything they want in this forum, when it's already all over the place as it is. There are off-topic forums for this type of thread.

You didn't even benchmark them or present any results.
You could put Tegra 2 and Exynos 4210 side by side, clock for clock but the Exynos would still come out on top. Clock speeds ain't everything.

I am willing to bet that the Exynos smokes it in benchmarks and in IRL performance

johncmolyneux said:
WTH has this got to do with the Samsung GS2? Why are people just posting anything they want in this forum, when it's already all over the place as it is. There are off-topic forums for this type of thread.
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Do u admin?
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so dont be a rat.

DDR2 vs DDR3
Benchmarks will be higher than SGSII only because 1.5ghz...
I think oxynos got better and newer GPU tnan PowerVR SGX540...
I dont understand why samsung took OMAP to the board....money??
Dont forget than A5-2 times powerfully than SGSII....so damn iPhone 5 will kill....
And its bad news for me and for people who hate apple
u need bench ??? Cry....
We are failed guys !
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so:
“Samsung implemented a 4-core version of the Mali-400 in the 4210 and its resulting performance is staggering as you can see above. Although it’s still not as fast as the PowerVR SGX 543MP2 found in the iPad 2, it’s anywhere from 1.7 – 4x faster than anything that’s shipping a smartphone today.”
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/09/12/iphone-5-fastest/

I could have sworn the chip used in the iPad 2 is just an underclocked Exynos CPU with a PowerVR GPU.

Toss3 said:
But not that great compared to the Apple A5.
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The apple A5 uses the same cores as the Exynos chip but has a more powerful PowerVR gpu. The cores are 200MHz slower. The A5 has better gpu performance but worse cpu performance, and the gpu performance only has an impact in 3D applications.
The OMAP4460 is faster than the exynos, so it also beats out the A5 in cpu performance.

Furry Atom said:
THE STUPID. IT HURTS SO MUCH!
The apple A5 uses the same cores as the Exynos chip but has a less powerful PowerVR gpu. The cores are also 200MHz slower. The A5 is literally just a crippled Exynos, it can't be better.
The OMAP4460 is faster than the exynos, so it also beats out the A5. Go back to macrumors.
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Did u saw benchmark test ???

This is a stupid, unrelated thread about a rumor about a rumor of a phone. We know samsung are doing the next nexus, what's in it, who knows, but do we need another thread about the same old ****?
This is what the android general section is for.
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The iPhone 5 may well be sporting better hardware, but there is a reason for this, its called evolution. Newer phones tend to have better hardware to entice customers to purchase. If this wasnt the case id still be using my nokia 3210 (heaven forbid). The SGS2 is bordering 6 month old which is like years in technology. There is always something better round the corner.
Ricey

My Galaxy S4 330s Red Aroma Snapdragon 800

The phone retails for 950,000 won which is around 900 bucks? It's about 50+ dollars expensive than the regular S4.
As for the exterior, it's the exact dimensions of the s4. Mine is completely stock, locked, with a fair amount of bloatware. But a lot of potential!
I'll upload more pics
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3DMark Ice Storm
Extreme Ice Storm
Quadrant

That's one hell of a benchmark. Probably will annoy quite a few people

I'm jealous!!!!

Nice first score! I reckon GPU-centric tests will show the real difference, GFX Bench, Epic Citadel, Basemark, 3D Mark.
But I'm also interested in SunSpider, and even moreso - in battery life.
Wonder who any why closed my thread BTW. @mods

hollakris said:
The phone retails for 950,000 won which is around 900 bucks? It's about 50+ dollars expensive than the regular S4.
As for the exterior, it's the exact dimensions of the s4. Mine is completely stock, locked, with a fair amount of bloatware. But a lot of potential!
I'll upload more pics
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If is 90 dollars, and about 50 dollars more than the regular S4, this is more than double the price.
I'm just curious how much would it cost free of network, because that's how I always buy my phones.
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KinetiClutch said:
That's one hell of a benchmark. Probably will annoy quite a few people
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The community here is complaining and raging. They want to recall the regular S4s that's only been out for 2 months.

cool i see nothing special
can u share Quadrant - geekbench - sunspider - mozilla kraken - Google Octane - LTE-A speed test
BTW congratulation

Hi. Please do let us know how the battery fares up against the 600 variant. Waiting for tge battery lige results.
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Can this version of S4 be used on European carriers?
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plasmastate said:
Hi. Please do let us know how the battery fares up against the 600 variant. Waiting for tge battery lige results.
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The battery life is a noticeably better than the S3 (used the S3 lte model).
Charged mine up completely and I'm still running on the same battery with 20% left after 20 hours.

Is that the LTE-Advanced S4?
Sent from my S4 using a futuristic mind controllable Tapatalk 8 private alpha

Why in quadrant is says that display has dpi 160x160 ? Thats a bit strange as it has the same display as the normal s4.

hollakris said:
The battery life is a noticeably better than the S3 (used the S3 lte model).
Charged mine up completely and I'm still running on the same battery with 20% left after 20 hours.
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Great to know. What is your screen on time?
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It seems like the only difference in the benchmarks is in the GPU side. About 40% better than my S4. Considering the CPU clocked much higher, I'm a bit disappointed with the S800.

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It seems like the only difference in the benchmarks is in the GPU side. About 40% better than my S4. Considering the CPU clocked much higher, I'm a bit disappointed with the S800.
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It is a very early build though, even though it is officially out with the device. One feels this was the most rushed release by Samsung ever, few days ago we didn't even know of it's existence and now and only saw early tests of the SD800 Note III, and all of the sudden the same SoC is in an S4 and out in stores. I predict performance quickly closing to Anandtech's reference scores, not that 19000 in Quadrant is not stunning.

Love this phone since left a iPhone 5 for the s3 and now that got a s4 they launch a new better version and only 2 months after! Sent a email to Samsung I'm not happy
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BoneXDA said:
It is a very early build though, even though it is officially out with the device. One feels this was the most rushed release by Samsung ever, few days ago we didn't even know of it's existence and now and only saw early tests of the SD800 Note III, and all of the sudden the same SoC is in an S4 and out in stores. I predict performance quickly closing to Anandtech's reference scores, not that 19000 in Quadrant is not stunning.
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It won't be a lot different. The early builds of the Exynos5 Octa got about 25K on antutu and officially it gets 28K. Even with 3K difference (which I really doubt will be this time) it still won't change a lot the CPU score which is about the same as my S4. 1.6Ghz Vs. 2.3Ghz - really a shame
Quadrant depends a lot on GPU performance, so I'm really not surprised by the results (about 40% better than the S600).

noideaforusername said:
It won't be a lot different. The early builds of the Exynos5 Octa got about 25K on antutu and officially it gets 28K. Even with 3K difference (which I really doubt will be this time) it still won't change a lot the CPU score which is about the same as my S4. 1.6Ghz Vs. 2.3Ghz - really a shame
Quadrant depends a lot on GPU performance, so I'm really not surprised by the results (about 40% better than the S600).
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Well the Xperia ZU scored 35k on pre-release sporting the same SD800/Adreno330, so there are rounds to go. The GPU is about 80% faster that it's predecessor according to Anandtech.

BoneXDA said:
Well the Xperia ZU scored 35k on pre-release sporting the same SD800/Adreno330, so there are rounds to go.
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BoneXDA said:
It is a very early build though, even though it is officially out with the device. One feels this was the most rushed release by Samsung ever, few days ago we didn't even know of it's existence and now and only saw early tests of the SD800 Note III, and all of the sudden the same SoC is in an S4 and out in stores. I predict performance quickly closing to Anandtech's reference scores, not that 19000 in Quadrant is not stunning.
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even though how the hell XZ U scored higher on Antutu and Quadrant ?
i don't think updates gonna make big difference
so there is either CPU overheating and throttling or throttling @ Specified Watt to lower battery consumption

This topic is about the Korean LTE-Advanced S4, what does that have to do with a Sony device?

Benchmarks

OK, owners of Flex 2 please run some benches, at least Antutu , but it better to run some more from that topic

What does bench marks do or show?

mine
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yellowman82 said:
What does bench marks do or show?
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Go troll somewhere on reddit

Billy Madison said:
Go troll somewhere on reddit
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That's the best that you got? And reason I'm asking is because well i really don't know much about benchmark except that the device with the higher e-penis numbers is maybe the best device and since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great. But hey if you need some e-penis numbers i can show you mines when i get the device lol.

Benchmarks show how much SoC power you got. We're to the point where hardware isn't a problem for UI smoothness, but the software. Android still has scrolling frame drops, and the only way I fixed it was making the min CPU freq to at least 1.19ghz. You can optimize a phone as much as you want to the point where it's the smoothest in UI, but I know for a fact you wouldn't like it when things like emulators/rendering a video to a smaller resolution/heavy gaming/extracting and compressing performance is slower than other phones. The day and age where benchmarks (Quadrant/Linpack) don't matter are over, they do now. Now you should take Antutu with a grain of salt, but Geekbench/GFXBench will show what your device is truly capable of. It's like you're given two PCs with identical hardware (SSD/High end GPU etc) but the CPU in one is an Intel Pentium G3258 and the other is a 4690K. They'll both perform just fine in the OS, only way to find out is with reliable benchmarks.

i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:

silentroom said:
i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:
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I personally prefer the snapdragon 810 chip, but the tegra K1 is also a very nice chip, the core frequency just not as nice as the 810..
Just my personal opinion

yellowman82 said:
since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great
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Some ppl agree with your position. And it's fine. You may not care for benchmarks at all. But some other ppl do care, like this example. So, benchmarks can show problems in software implementation of kernel CPU government. Or problems with hardware implementation of proper CPU cooling, like example. And some ppl may want to not pay for such software or hardware crippled devices, it's there choice, they vote by there money and demand vendors to pay proper attention to engineering

High on Android has his up on YouTube.
The Korean model scored 41276 on 64bit then 37754 on 32bit out of the box.

This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!

G Flex 2 is available now where?

lopri said:
G Flex 2 is available now where?
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Good afternoon, no... it will be available on the market starting from 2th March. It has only sent to major carriers.

wolfgart said:
mine
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I got higher than that on Moto Maxx with an 805

zombioptic said:
This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!
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what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
like this :

MEGAX91 said:
what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
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Mine is...

jongilluley said:
Mine is...
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i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!

MEGAX91 said:
i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!
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That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.

Here is my first Antutu bench. 16GB Silver european model (H955)...
Not very bad, at the same level of HTC One M9...
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.co....png?key=UDgIAwmmRRaOPjLGlvUUiQ&ts=1426441144

mw86 said:
That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.
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Its weird as it should be 20nm but never shows ut no matter what i do haha.
Tried a couple of other apps and they are the same. One app tells me that its revision 2 of the cpu so maybe some changes are being made for heat issues etc? But i cant find anything and im getting good benchmark scores each and everytime with no lagging or throttling yet.
And speeds are good on benchmarks and are running in 64bit mode on antutu so im happy hehe.