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title says it all.
Is that Wikipedia? lol
Anyways, from what I've learned, the 8660/8260 are mixes of A8 and A9.
Considering it lists the single core snapdragons as a8, and the dual core snapdragon as a9, when they both contain the same cpu design, that source clearly has issues. Its neither a8 nor a9 but performance wise its somewhere in between. Though it has better neon performance than both.
The Orion cpu is still much more effcient and better anyway... it is also equipped with a better gpu (mali 400)
Its based off the 8's design, just a bit modified.
The dual core snapdragon also includes asynchronous clocking of the cores which depending on the workload could make it more battery efficient.
It's completely irrelevant anyway.
ARM is the company who gives licenses to other company to use their technology, but it's not a final product.
The thing that matters is the actual performance.
As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.
kampf said:
As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.
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Despite having "vast" differences there are very few differences speed differences between CPUS.
The biggest differences between the hummingbird and the snapdragon is the GPU.
actually it s not A9 nor A8, it is at base an enhanced A8 that is similar to A9 architecture in many ways, but has some tweaks up it sleves, Qualcomm call this architecture "Scorpio"
hope this will clear it up:http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year/
^^ I agree. I did some research into the A8, A9, and core differences again last night. The MSM chip used in the Sensation is a much-modified A8. Qualcomm loves to tinker with the ARM designs.
I do think it's still probably a better chip than the Tegra2, but not the A5/Exy.
Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.
tolis626 said:
Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.
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regardless of if it is closer to a9 or not, it's competitors are putting up better benchmarks, so we end up getting ****tier hardware.
Related
Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?
Passion has only been rumored to be out, its not actually out, and no specs have been out for it.
I have seen some Android 2.0 ROMS with OMAP 3430 running at 1 GHZ, I have seen some running at 600 Mhz, so its hard to say for sure what will be out,
But I would say do not go with what the rumors tell you, until you can verify everything with 1-2 sources, with the exact same details.
Once you can do that then believe it, but at this time, i have only seen one story about Passion.
I have seen stuff about HTC Dragon that says 1 Ghz Snapdragon, but looking inside a Dragon ROM, and its filled with OMAP reference to everything (1500 OMAP reference, and 5 Qualcomm Reference) So what does that mean, its been rumored for SnapDragon, but I tend to think otherwise.
Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.
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Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.
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yup, in Barcelona, back in February, I've played Price of persia running at WVGA on the Toshi TG01 (1 GHz Snapdragon) pretty much - the 3D performance was pretty good. also see my dedicated article & video.
interesting, so it seems the snapdragon is in another league... i had no idea it had a dedicated GPU.
65nm ARM Cortex A8-based internals
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/iphone-3gs-bested-by-android-archos-5-tablet-in-browsing-benchma/
looking forward for PXA168 marvell, till now there isnt any pda with it
intel technology with Xscale driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-zznc3ALk
tassadar898 said:
Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?
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Your assessment of which is faster is true. The GPU on the OMAP is a PowerVR SGX which performs better than the Snapdragon GPU which is an AMD Z430. I hope someone else can provide more details on what exactly that means for running applications like the new google navigator.
With screen of 800x480 or above, a fast GPU is a must. With all those graphic applications (games, video, GPS maps, etc), a phone will need high speed graphics. One does not need a number crunching CPU on phone. The phone/processor which has better and faster graphic processor will win.
2D graphics operations aren't hardware-accelerated (in WinMo, at least).
msn7227 has same graphic processor as snapdragon QSD8650 (AMD z430)
here the proof
msm7227:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9480443&D=LGE
QSD8650:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9334470&D=LG GW820
thats very good for the upcoming 7227 devices..
lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?
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lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?
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no i dont think so ...
blackstone has msm7201a that has the old generation graphics Q3Dimension MSM7500W
and the msm7227 ,Snapdragon QSD8250 B and QSD8650 has AMD z430 .
i am waiting for the msm7227 3d benchmarks to how good are they really..
hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.
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hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.
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i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.
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i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.
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It wouldn't affect it. Snapdragon has faster CPU and supports 720p video where 7227 supports only WVGA and has 600mhz ARM11 CPU.
They're in completely different leagues.
MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast
Cotulla said:
MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast
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i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.
sx1-doc said:
i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
MSM7227 is nothing more than upgraded MSM7201 which is by many users considered piece of sh*t.
Compared to qsd8250 it is nothing but low end.
Besides 600mhz ARM11 CPU can't compete with any higher end device, so making it a minimum for WP7S would be pointless, especially considering the timeframe.
So stop whining. I don't see people whining about ipad having 1Ghz CPU...
Other way around. If MS would make lower minimum requirements people would complain that they are not competitive where others use better parts.
P.S. You can't run XP on it! XP is x86 based not ARM based so there is no way you could run it.
For ubuntu I would recommend something faster than 600mhz...
Maybe it's not fast enough for ubuntu or Win7 or whatever, but thanks for that info. HTC just put out the Legend, an android device, which is supposed to supersede the HTC Hero. From what we've seen there was nothing substantial to differentiate the 2 (apart from a dozen of Mhz clockspeed and some ram), but this is quite substancial news to us
it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).
sx1-doc said:
it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).
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To port WP7 you need drivers. We don't have them. To make drivers you need band of developers spending their free time trying to write them all by themselves or at best trying to port drivers from newer devices.
Only device which could probably/maybe run WP7 is HD2. End of story.
Don't fool yourself thinking that WP7 will be ported for old QVGA devices or even newer devices like Diamond, X1 or even HD(Blackstone) and not just because of MS but because ODM don't want to invest in old devices when they can invest in newer(which they can then sell and get some profit from it). End of story.
About msm7227. It's not bad. It is what msm7201 should be from the beginning but unfortunately now it is nothing more than mid class.
Of course this chipset has a less performant cpu than the snapdragon, but since they have the same gpu they will offer equal 3d performance. My demo here shows that the HD2 is very powerfull when it comes to extensive per-pixel calculations. The demo uses the gpu as much as possible, the speed of the cpu doesn't matter. So I think that my demo might run even faster on the HD mini than on the HD2, since it has less that half that much pixels compared to the HD2. We'll see
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Epic fail
All i have to say is -Mytouch 3g slide-. this entire thread is one "Epic fail" of, well , i guess some sort of debate of wits. The MTS has the ARM 600 and it is BEAST!!!! Say what you will about this comment but the fact remains that this phone has proven you all wrong. Cheap, low-end, crap..... none of it true when HTC and Android 2.1 combined to use this hardware and created this device...
$h4m3 0/\/ +h3 (_)/\/1337 h4xx0r
Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
See here:
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .
If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.
longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw
Some people think that's more important.
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.
Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
tolis626 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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Exynos 4210
-1-1.4 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9
- ARM Mali-400 MP
- DDR3
(Samsung Galaxy S II, Hardkernel ODROID-A)
OMAP4460
- 1.5 GHz Dual-Core ARM Cortex-A9
- PowerVR SGX540 @ 384 MHz
- Dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller
(Google Nexus Prime (rumor), Archos 101 (Gen 9), Archos 80 (Gen 9), Sharp 104SH)
Apple A-5
Apple will most likely use a chip A5, similar to that of the iPad 2, the performance graphics core that is two to four times higher than in the Galaxy S II.
....I am a bit disappointed...why ?? check the benchmark test below
Which one are you disappointed with? They're both great!
666fff said:
Which one are you disappointed with? They're both great!
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But not that great compared to the Apple A5.
Samsung announced a Exynos 4212 for next year.
Isn't there a OMAP 4470 with an SGX 544 announced too?
I'm sure the Apple A6 will be dandy too.
Its all good in the SOC land unless you like Nokia phones.
WTH has this got to do with the Samsung GS2? Why are people just posting anything they want in this forum, when it's already all over the place as it is. There are off-topic forums for this type of thread.
You didn't even benchmark them or present any results.
You could put Tegra 2 and Exynos 4210 side by side, clock for clock but the Exynos would still come out on top. Clock speeds ain't everything.
I am willing to bet that the Exynos smokes it in benchmarks and in IRL performance
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WTH has this got to do with the Samsung GS2? Why are people just posting anything they want in this forum, when it's already all over the place as it is. There are off-topic forums for this type of thread.
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Do u admin?
-NO
so dont be a rat.
DDR2 vs DDR3
Benchmarks will be higher than SGSII only because 1.5ghz...
I think oxynos got better and newer GPU tnan PowerVR SGX540...
I dont understand why samsung took OMAP to the board....money??
Dont forget than A5-2 times powerfully than SGSII....so damn iPhone 5 will kill....
And its bad news for me and for people who hate apple
u need bench ??? Cry....
We are failed guys !
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so:
“Samsung implemented a 4-core version of the Mali-400 in the 4210 and its resulting performance is staggering as you can see above. Although it’s still not as fast as the PowerVR SGX 543MP2 found in the iPad 2, it’s anywhere from 1.7 – 4x faster than anything that’s shipping a smartphone today.”
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/09/12/iphone-5-fastest/
I could have sworn the chip used in the iPad 2 is just an underclocked Exynos CPU with a PowerVR GPU.
Toss3 said:
But not that great compared to the Apple A5.
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The apple A5 uses the same cores as the Exynos chip but has a more powerful PowerVR gpu. The cores are 200MHz slower. The A5 has better gpu performance but worse cpu performance, and the gpu performance only has an impact in 3D applications.
The OMAP4460 is faster than the exynos, so it also beats out the A5 in cpu performance.
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THE STUPID. IT HURTS SO MUCH!
The apple A5 uses the same cores as the Exynos chip but has a less powerful PowerVR gpu. The cores are also 200MHz slower. The A5 is literally just a crippled Exynos, it can't be better.
The OMAP4460 is faster than the exynos, so it also beats out the A5. Go back to macrumors.
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Did u saw benchmark test ???
This is a stupid, unrelated thread about a rumor about a rumor of a phone. We know samsung are doing the next nexus, what's in it, who knows, but do we need another thread about the same old ****?
This is what the android general section is for.
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The iPhone 5 may well be sporting better hardware, but there is a reason for this, its called evolution. Newer phones tend to have better hardware to entice customers to purchase. If this wasnt the case id still be using my nokia 3210 (heaven forbid). The SGS2 is bordering 6 month old which is like years in technology. There is always something better round the corner.
Ricey
For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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I've been interested in the new generation of phones based on this chip also, from AnandTech's forums found the comparison below. The main selling point of the MT6589 SoC is its low cost and low power, so it may not be the fastest, but not many apps or phones take advantage of all the quad-core power either. It gives the most power/watt, and higher bang for the buck.
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Oh man those numbers are awful! Its even below a dual krait!
TBH I wouldn't use "cheap " to describe it since the few decent phones using the older 6577 are as much as those with better silicon.
Take the zte U with a tegra3, costs the same that a jiayu G3 and that one can barely run GTAVC from what I seen.
Most 6589 models are on presale at almost the same than a nexus 4, too bad that one is still out of stock. Seriously what was google thinking selling a quad krait for 300? Of course demand was going to be high.
Of all the benchmarks listed, Antutu is what I believe the most, Quadrant is the least reliable, and has a history of manufacturers easily gaming it. Not sure about the HTML one, but that's a very specific benchmark too. As for pricing, www.fastcardtech.com seems to have good prices, and the MT6589 ones are pre-selling at $220-$250 shipped to the U.S.
Here's the older MT6577 Dualcore JiaYu G3 running GTAVC, looks ok to me:
http://youtu.be/mxsmAfZ2ZEk
The G3 has 1280x720p resolution, which may be too taxing for the older dualcore. The G2S, released later with qHD display is probably a better match (Around $185-200). MT6589 is supposed to have a much better GPU.
Well in antutu its still below everything but the dual krait by a considerable margin.
At 250 its just 50 bucks less than the nexus 4, so as I said its not cheap, just cheaper.
Beidou has announced a 720p tegra3 phone for just 160, which will he around 200 on sites like fastcard.
As for gta, have you seen how laggy it is? And that with everything toned down at the beginning of the video.
Have in mind that mt6589 is clocked to 1-1.2 GHz while other socs are from 1.4-1.7. Also the firmware is preproduction.
Jiayu has announced S1 with 1.5GHz mt6589 which can match a tegra3 on performance and have lower consumption at the same time.
About the mt6577 on jiayu g3 is the only dual core besides krait that handles an 720p screen. You can't compare its gaming performance with an other dual core running on a device with lower resolution.
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Got a link to that? Because most benchs i seen struggle to get past 10k points, while the tegra3 its just a tad short of 20k.
And the S1 is going to have a 1.5 ghz quad S4, not a mtk, thats why its expensive
http://www.gizmochina.com/2013/01/28/the-review-of-mtk-mt6589-processor/
Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
Keep in mind MediaTek is a Taiwanese company, so the people to get the first & closest look will not be native English speakers. The article provides some interesting tidbits not found in others. Here's an english friendly take:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-and-PDAs/Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-performance-review-vs_13496.html
Gizchina is also foreign and has some grammar issues but the info is good, gizmochina tends to say whatever it wants to linkbait.
Btw that link was interesting, any idea where I can buy that Canvas phone?
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Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
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There will be no next time my friend. I don't have to convince you about anything that you don't want to believe and I don't like eristic behaviours.
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the QHD phone is pretty cool, I run one