Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .
If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.
longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw
Some people think that's more important.
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.
Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?
Passion has only been rumored to be out, its not actually out, and no specs have been out for it.
I have seen some Android 2.0 ROMS with OMAP 3430 running at 1 GHZ, I have seen some running at 600 Mhz, so its hard to say for sure what will be out,
But I would say do not go with what the rumors tell you, until you can verify everything with 1-2 sources, with the exact same details.
Once you can do that then believe it, but at this time, i have only seen one story about Passion.
I have seen stuff about HTC Dragon that says 1 Ghz Snapdragon, but looking inside a Dragon ROM, and its filled with OMAP reference to everything (1500 OMAP reference, and 5 Qualcomm Reference) So what does that mean, its been rumored for SnapDragon, but I tend to think otherwise.
Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.
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Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.
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yup, in Barcelona, back in February, I've played Price of persia running at WVGA on the Toshi TG01 (1 GHz Snapdragon) pretty much - the 3D performance was pretty good. also see my dedicated article & video.
interesting, so it seems the snapdragon is in another league... i had no idea it had a dedicated GPU.
65nm ARM Cortex A8-based internals
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/iphone-3gs-bested-by-android-archos-5-tablet-in-browsing-benchma/
looking forward for PXA168 marvell, till now there isnt any pda with it
intel technology with Xscale driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-zznc3ALk
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Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?
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Your assessment of which is faster is true. The GPU on the OMAP is a PowerVR SGX which performs better than the Snapdragon GPU which is an AMD Z430. I hope someone else can provide more details on what exactly that means for running applications like the new google navigator.
With screen of 800x480 or above, a fast GPU is a must. With all those graphic applications (games, video, GPS maps, etc), a phone will need high speed graphics. One does not need a number crunching CPU on phone. The phone/processor which has better and faster graphic processor will win.
2D graphics operations aren't hardware-accelerated (in WinMo, at least).
I look forward to be in 2013!
"Qualcomm Snapdragon roadmap leaks, Krait slithering on the scene soon
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We've gotten a few peeks at Qualcomm's next-gen Snapdragon chips, codenamed Krait, but now we've got a proper roadmap, including time frames for release, model numbers, and even details about the memory channels. Glancing at the slide above doesn't reveal anything terribly surprising -- the dual-core 8960 (LTE), 8270 (HSPA), and 8260A (HSPA+) will all be shipping to manufacturers later this quarter, in speeds ranging from 1.5GHz to 1.7GHz and come packing the latest Adreno 225 GPU. In Q3 of next year Qualcomm's 28nm tech will trickle down from the high-end to mid-range phones, just ahead of the launch of those quad-core, 2GHz mobile monsters the company teased back in February. Check out the full PDF presentation at the source for more nitty-gritty details."
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faster processors needs big batteries...
2 years from now we'll be using fancy bricks
rhazahrd said:
faster processors needs big batteries...
2 years from now we'll be using fancy bricks
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I know, it will be like carrying a phone the size of a laptop around. Guess they have to hope that power technology advances a lot over the next couple of years too!
ive got sammy galaxy s1 with cm7 and my battery lives 15 hrs (barely)
intresting what kind of battery they'll use @ 2GHZ phone
Old news...
Well,I always knew the day that I would use my phone to reencode videos for my laptop would come...
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Well,I always knew the day that I would use my phone to reencode videos for my laptop would come...
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why would you need a laptop at that point
champofthesun said:
why would you need a laptop at that point
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Well,I like my laptop!And I don't wanna throw it away!I like the big screen!So,unless someone releases a 17.3" tablet,I'm keeping it!
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Just hope battery life doesn't get affected too badly. But Quadcore in a mobile device sounds nice!!!
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Well,I like my laptop!And I don't wanna throw it away!I like the big screen!So,unless someone releases a 17.3" tablet,I'm keeping it!
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im looking forward for that day...but still...tablet with that size will be like laptop...
heavy and power hungry
Woo Hoo!!! Two year contract with no upgrade fees after 18 months. Upgraded a month and a half ago. Should be up for an upgrade when they release this.
...oh yeah, I'm with Cell South, the "new phone" then will be a Galaxy S2. But hey, I'll still have unlimited data... ...hopefully.
monsters specs
monsters specs
rhazahrd said:
im looking forward for that day...but still...tablet with that size will be like laptop...
heavy and power hungry
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Yeah!
Seriously though,for me,no software keyboard on a tablet can compare to the physical keyboard of my PC/Laptop.With the phones it goes otherwise.I don't like these QWERTYs with their tiny keys.
Tablet + USB/Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and who needs a laptop?
I will soon became mental and hospitalized, my budget can't keep up with all this new technology..
Road maps rarely stick and you are looking for at least a two quarter difference between when it ships and when it actually shows up in phones.
Battery life truly is a big issue though. I would think it would get to a point where they would not create these more powerful processors because of the ridiculous lack of battery technology over the years. Why would you continue to develop something battery hungry for a product that at some point would negate the effectiveness of it due to the bulk added from a larger battery.
I just got an Atrix though, and i'm wondering why it was easy for them to pack a 1750 battery in a still very thin package with a dual core processor. Same with the Infuse as it is even thinner.
Quad core is already supposed to be out later this year. Qualcomm will be far behind.
Meanwhile their overclocked @1.8 cpus are doing what a stock tegra 2 does. lol
Nvidia say that they will initially be used in tablets which will hit the shops this summer, and the first quad processor phones should be in the shops in time for Christmas. They say there new quad core chips will consume less power then current dual core chips in mobile devices.
My upgrade isn't until April 2012 can't wait to see my next phone.
hopefully the batteries will evolve along with the cpus
I like how Android phones are following the routes of computers, only much faster.
Dual Core phones are still just getting popular-ish and half of the things Android uses runs perfectly off a single core.
I'm predicting that by December of 2012, (no we're not gonna die)
Single Core phones will only remain in the real low budget area or prepaid phones.
Dual Core will be our mid range.
Quad Core will be our high range.
Exynos 4210
-1-1.4 GHz Dual-core ARM Cortex-A9
- ARM Mali-400 MP
- DDR3
(Samsung Galaxy S II, Hardkernel ODROID-A)
OMAP4460
- 1.5 GHz Dual-Core ARM Cortex-A9
- PowerVR SGX540 @ 384 MHz
- Dual-channel LPDDR2 memory controller
(Google Nexus Prime (rumor), Archos 101 (Gen 9), Archos 80 (Gen 9), Sharp 104SH)
Apple A-5
Apple will most likely use a chip A5, similar to that of the iPad 2, the performance graphics core that is two to four times higher than in the Galaxy S II.
....I am a bit disappointed...why ?? check the benchmark test below
Which one are you disappointed with? They're both great!
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Which one are you disappointed with? They're both great!
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But not that great compared to the Apple A5.
Samsung announced a Exynos 4212 for next year.
Isn't there a OMAP 4470 with an SGX 544 announced too?
I'm sure the Apple A6 will be dandy too.
Its all good in the SOC land unless you like Nokia phones.
WTH has this got to do with the Samsung GS2? Why are people just posting anything they want in this forum, when it's already all over the place as it is. There are off-topic forums for this type of thread.
You didn't even benchmark them or present any results.
You could put Tegra 2 and Exynos 4210 side by side, clock for clock but the Exynos would still come out on top. Clock speeds ain't everything.
I am willing to bet that the Exynos smokes it in benchmarks and in IRL performance
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WTH has this got to do with the Samsung GS2? Why are people just posting anything they want in this forum, when it's already all over the place as it is. There are off-topic forums for this type of thread.
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Do u admin?
-NO
so dont be a rat.
DDR2 vs DDR3
Benchmarks will be higher than SGSII only because 1.5ghz...
I think oxynos got better and newer GPU tnan PowerVR SGX540...
I dont understand why samsung took OMAP to the board....money??
Dont forget than A5-2 times powerfully than SGSII....so damn iPhone 5 will kill....
And its bad news for me and for people who hate apple
u need bench ??? Cry....
We are failed guys !
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so:
“Samsung implemented a 4-core version of the Mali-400 in the 4210 and its resulting performance is staggering as you can see above. Although it’s still not as fast as the PowerVR SGX 543MP2 found in the iPad 2, it’s anywhere from 1.7 – 4x faster than anything that’s shipping a smartphone today.”
http://www.idownloadblog.com/2011/09/12/iphone-5-fastest/
I could have sworn the chip used in the iPad 2 is just an underclocked Exynos CPU with a PowerVR GPU.
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But not that great compared to the Apple A5.
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The apple A5 uses the same cores as the Exynos chip but has a more powerful PowerVR gpu. The cores are 200MHz slower. The A5 has better gpu performance but worse cpu performance, and the gpu performance only has an impact in 3D applications.
The OMAP4460 is faster than the exynos, so it also beats out the A5 in cpu performance.
Furry Atom said:
THE STUPID. IT HURTS SO MUCH!
The apple A5 uses the same cores as the Exynos chip but has a less powerful PowerVR gpu. The cores are also 200MHz slower. The A5 is literally just a crippled Exynos, it can't be better.
The OMAP4460 is faster than the exynos, so it also beats out the A5. Go back to macrumors.
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Did u saw benchmark test ???
This is a stupid, unrelated thread about a rumor about a rumor of a phone. We know samsung are doing the next nexus, what's in it, who knows, but do we need another thread about the same old ****?
This is what the android general section is for.
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The iPhone 5 may well be sporting better hardware, but there is a reason for this, its called evolution. Newer phones tend to have better hardware to entice customers to purchase. If this wasnt the case id still be using my nokia 3210 (heaven forbid). The SGS2 is bordering 6 month old which is like years in technology. There is always something better round the corner.
Ricey
For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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I've been interested in the new generation of phones based on this chip also, from AnandTech's forums found the comparison below. The main selling point of the MT6589 SoC is its low cost and low power, so it may not be the fastest, but not many apps or phones take advantage of all the quad-core power either. It gives the most power/watt, and higher bang for the buck.
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Oh man those numbers are awful! Its even below a dual krait!
TBH I wouldn't use "cheap " to describe it since the few decent phones using the older 6577 are as much as those with better silicon.
Take the zte U with a tegra3, costs the same that a jiayu G3 and that one can barely run GTAVC from what I seen.
Most 6589 models are on presale at almost the same than a nexus 4, too bad that one is still out of stock. Seriously what was google thinking selling a quad krait for 300? Of course demand was going to be high.
Of all the benchmarks listed, Antutu is what I believe the most, Quadrant is the least reliable, and has a history of manufacturers easily gaming it. Not sure about the HTML one, but that's a very specific benchmark too. As for pricing, www.fastcardtech.com seems to have good prices, and the MT6589 ones are pre-selling at $220-$250 shipped to the U.S.
Here's the older MT6577 Dualcore JiaYu G3 running GTAVC, looks ok to me:
http://youtu.be/mxsmAfZ2ZEk
The G3 has 1280x720p resolution, which may be too taxing for the older dualcore. The G2S, released later with qHD display is probably a better match (Around $185-200). MT6589 is supposed to have a much better GPU.
Well in antutu its still below everything but the dual krait by a considerable margin.
At 250 its just 50 bucks less than the nexus 4, so as I said its not cheap, just cheaper.
Beidou has announced a 720p tegra3 phone for just 160, which will he around 200 on sites like fastcard.
As for gta, have you seen how laggy it is? And that with everything toned down at the beginning of the video.
Have in mind that mt6589 is clocked to 1-1.2 GHz while other socs are from 1.4-1.7. Also the firmware is preproduction.
Jiayu has announced S1 with 1.5GHz mt6589 which can match a tegra3 on performance and have lower consumption at the same time.
About the mt6577 on jiayu g3 is the only dual core besides krait that handles an 720p screen. You can't compare its gaming performance with an other dual core running on a device with lower resolution.
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Got a link to that? Because most benchs i seen struggle to get past 10k points, while the tegra3 its just a tad short of 20k.
And the S1 is going to have a 1.5 ghz quad S4, not a mtk, thats why its expensive
http://www.gizmochina.com/2013/01/28/the-review-of-mtk-mt6589-processor/
Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
Keep in mind MediaTek is a Taiwanese company, so the people to get the first & closest look will not be native English speakers. The article provides some interesting tidbits not found in others. Here's an english friendly take:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-and-PDAs/Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-performance-review-vs_13496.html
Gizchina is also foreign and has some grammar issues but the info is good, gizmochina tends to say whatever it wants to linkbait.
Btw that link was interesting, any idea where I can buy that Canvas phone?
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Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
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There will be no next time my friend. I don't have to convince you about anything that you don't want to believe and I don't like eristic behaviours.
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the QHD phone is pretty cool, I run one
Hello Guys I just need some help here.
I am planning to purchase the Asus zenfone 5 16GB. But not sure which model to buy.
It comes in 3G and 4G variant.
The only difference between these 2 models is 4G connectivity, CPU and GPU.
3G Variant:
CPU Intel Atom Z2560 Dual Core 1.6 Ghz with Hyperthreading
GPU PowerVR SGX544MP2 @400Mhz
4G Variant:
CPU Qualcomm MSM8226 Snapdragon 400 Quad Core 1.2Ghz
GPU Adreno 305
Question1
Which model would give better gaming performance?
Question2
Which model would give better battery backup?
Question3
What other things do you think would be worth considering before buying?
Please guide.
Thanks.
first of all u need to check if your country supports 4g or not!!!
if i helped u just click the thanks button and be the first one to thank me:angel::angel:
Reliance Jio Infocom has started setting up 4G towers in the circle where i live. And are going to facilitate with 4G connection connection in the cirlce.
I prefer Zenfone 5 with Intel Atom Z2560 Dual Core 1.6 Ghz.
Both processor offer similar levels of performance, but i heard the application compatibility of the latter is slightly restricted for Qualcomm MSM8226 Snapdragon 400, dunno about this.
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I think the performance it depends on what game you play and how to use the phone etc.
Thanks for your reply.
I don't really doubt the intel cpu in performance though.
But Im really concerned about the PowerVR GPU in the phone.
I guess Adreno 305 would delived a better experience on gaming.
Games that Im looking forward to play are:
Asphalt 8, Real Racing 3, Modern Combat, Nova 3, Dark Avengers, Injustice and similar power hungry games.
One more thing is that I have heard the intel eats up more juice from the battery.
How I use my phone is:
Charge my phone upto 100% in moring
Go out make some calls with full brightness in the day, leave 3G data on, Some 15 Minutes facebook, Some 30 minutes games and get home by evening. Thats pretty much my daily usage.
I have the information, that the 4G only supports 1 Sim card. So, if you like Dual Sim there is no choice for you!
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I have the information, that the 4G only supports 1 Sim card. So, if you like Dual Sim there is no choice for you!
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It's fine, I like single sim.
I was just concerned about the battery life and performance difference between these two phones.
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It's fine, I like single sim.
I was just concerned about the battery life and performance difference between these two phones.
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I have the Intel version, my friend has the Snapdragon (what a silly name). His is not good, say a day of normal usage with anything from 10 - 30 % left, but in line with most phones of similar specs . Mine is visible snappier, but the battery counter runs down as if a snapdragon is behind it.
I have the 2 Ghz / 2 Gb / 16 Gb variant. I pity the battery but I am not looking back to a 1 SIM phone, any.