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OMAP3430 vs 1ghz Snapdragon

Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?

Passion has only been rumored to be out, its not actually out, and no specs have been out for it.
I have seen some Android 2.0 ROMS with OMAP 3430 running at 1 GHZ, I have seen some running at 600 Mhz, so its hard to say for sure what will be out,
But I would say do not go with what the rumors tell you, until you can verify everything with 1-2 sources, with the exact same details.
Once you can do that then believe it, but at this time, i have only seen one story about Passion.
I have seen stuff about HTC Dragon that says 1 Ghz Snapdragon, but looking inside a Dragon ROM, and its filled with OMAP reference to everything (1500 OMAP reference, and 5 Qualcomm Reference) So what does that mean, its been rumored for SnapDragon, but I tend to think otherwise.

Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.

Wishmaster89 said:
Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.
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yup, in Barcelona, back in February, I've played Price of persia running at WVGA on the Toshi TG01 (1 GHz Snapdragon) pretty much - the 3D performance was pretty good. also see my dedicated article & video.

interesting, so it seems the snapdragon is in another league... i had no idea it had a dedicated GPU.

65nm ARM Cortex A8-based internals
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/iphone-3gs-bested-by-android-archos-5-tablet-in-browsing-benchma/

looking forward for PXA168 marvell, till now there isnt any pda with it
intel technology with Xscale driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-zznc3ALk

tassadar898 said:
Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?
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Your assessment of which is faster is true. The GPU on the OMAP is a PowerVR SGX which performs better than the Snapdragon GPU which is an AMD Z430. I hope someone else can provide more details on what exactly that means for running applications like the new google navigator.

With screen of 800x480 or above, a fast GPU is a must. With all those graphic applications (games, video, GPS maps, etc), a phone will need high speed graphics. One does not need a number crunching CPU on phone. The phone/processor which has better and faster graphic processor will win.

2D graphics operations aren't hardware-accelerated (in WinMo, at least).

Samsung Exynos 4212. Finally the Apple A5 killer?

Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
See here:
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .

If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.

longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw

Some people think that's more important.

How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.

kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.

Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?

tolis626 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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[Q] How does the MT6589 compare to other quads?

For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?

MGREX said:
For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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I've been interested in the new generation of phones based on this chip also, from AnandTech's forums found the comparison below. The main selling point of the MT6589 SoC is its low cost and low power, so it may not be the fastest, but not many apps or phones take advantage of all the quad-core power either. It gives the most power/watt, and higher bang for the buck.
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Oh man those numbers are awful! Its even below a dual krait!
TBH I wouldn't use "cheap " to describe it since the few decent phones using the older 6577 are as much as those with better silicon.
Take the zte U with a tegra3, costs the same that a jiayu G3 and that one can barely run GTAVC from what I seen.
Most 6589 models are on presale at almost the same than a nexus 4, too bad that one is still out of stock. Seriously what was google thinking selling a quad krait for 300? Of course demand was going to be high.

Of all the benchmarks listed, Antutu is what I believe the most, Quadrant is the least reliable, and has a history of manufacturers easily gaming it. Not sure about the HTML one, but that's a very specific benchmark too. As for pricing, www.fastcardtech.com seems to have good prices, and the MT6589 ones are pre-selling at $220-$250 shipped to the U.S.
Here's the older MT6577 Dualcore JiaYu G3 running GTAVC, looks ok to me:
http://youtu.be/mxsmAfZ2ZEk
The G3 has 1280x720p resolution, which may be too taxing for the older dualcore. The G2S, released later with qHD display is probably a better match (Around $185-200). MT6589 is supposed to have a much better GPU.

Well in antutu its still below everything but the dual krait by a considerable margin.
At 250 its just 50 bucks less than the nexus 4, so as I said its not cheap, just cheaper.
Beidou has announced a 720p tegra3 phone for just 160, which will he around 200 on sites like fastcard.
As for gta, have you seen how laggy it is? And that with everything toned down at the beginning of the video.

Have in mind that mt6589 is clocked to 1-1.2 GHz while other socs are from 1.4-1.7. Also the firmware is preproduction.
Jiayu has announced S1 with 1.5GHz mt6589 which can match a tegra3 on performance and have lower consumption at the same time.
About the mt6577 on jiayu g3 is the only dual core besides krait that handles an 720p screen. You can't compare its gaming performance with an other dual core running on a device with lower resolution.
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Got a link to that? Because most benchs i seen struggle to get past 10k points, while the tegra3 its just a tad short of 20k.
And the S1 is going to have a 1.5 ghz quad S4, not a mtk, thats why its expensive

http://www.gizmochina.com/2013/01/28/the-review-of-mtk-mt6589-processor/

Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish

Keep in mind MediaTek is a Taiwanese company, so the people to get the first & closest look will not be native English speakers. The article provides some interesting tidbits not found in others. Here's an english friendly take:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-and-PDAs/Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-performance-review-vs_13496.html

Gizchina is also foreign and has some grammar issues but the info is good, gizmochina tends to say whatever it wants to linkbait.
Btw that link was interesting, any idea where I can buy that Canvas phone?

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Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
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There will be no next time my friend. I don't have to convince you about anything that you don't want to believe and I don't like eristic behaviours.
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the QHD phone is pretty cool, I run one

a New Tablet Made in Egypt !

Did u Hear about the New Egyptian tablet (i Nar) is quite good but in my opinion it's a miracle
i mean how thought that Egypt will offer an android tablet if it's going to be available for sale i don't think it's going to be Expensive at all specially that it was made for school
Tablet's photo
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Specifications
Display:
Type : IPS TFT capacitive touch screen
Size : 720 x 1024 9.7" (3:4)
MultiTouch : 10 Points MultiTouch
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Chipset:Rockchip 3066
CPU: Dual-Core, ARMv7 1.6 GHZ
GPU: Mali-400 MP
Memory: 1GB
Primary Camera : 2MP
Secondary camera : 0.3MP
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ANDROID : 4.x They Didn't say yet weither it's going to be ICS JB 4.1 or JB 4.2
Supports : 3G USB modem
internal Memory 8GB
Memory : MicroSDHC cards up To 32GB
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The Battery Should work for atleast 4 Hours of Continuous Working and 16 Hours of Stand by
it takes 5 hours to charge it from 0:100%
(i don't know why didn't they just say how much Mah is The Battery)
weight : 750g
That's all what did they say about it so what do u think about a 1st tablet for egypt ?​

I think the specs are good, rockchip 3306 is better than OMAP 4430/4460 which is still used in Samsung Galaxy Tabs, however I can see that the speakers are very small and weak (0.25 W only) and it looks like they used a battery size similar to the Kindle Fire (which has only average battery life).
This battery capacity maybe good enough for 7inch screen, but for 10inch, you need to up the capacity especially that the screen + backlight are the single most power draining components of a tablet.
Also, clocking the rockchip at 1.6 GHz will produce a lot of heat and given it is locally produced, I am not sure of their competence in designing for this heat dissipation. This can be improved (and maybe also battery life slightly improved) if we can underclock and undervolt the CPU.
The 1024x7xx resolution is OK i guess for a budget tablet, though I would have wanted at least HD resolution.
Still I think it is a good first tablet and it should help Android penetration in Egypt greatly.
(especially that the good tablets imported from abroad are overpriced greatly - "Tradeline (apple importer) I am looking at you").
For custom ROMs, this CPU already has kernel support (http://cm3066.com/) and Mali 400MP already has support I think.
It should be possible to get JellyBean/AOKP and future ported on this with a moderate amount of patience and effort.

Snapdragon 821 launched

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Qualcomm has received an order from big clients for a faster iteration of Snapdragon and, guess what? The Snapdragon 821 is born and its Kryo core frequency has jumped from a previous 2.15GHz to 2.4Ghz.
One of the design wins that got leaked a few weeks back is the LeEco LeMax 2 Pro with 8GB or RAM but we suspect that Qualcomm wanted to prepare this chip for the Samsung Galaxy Note S7, the biggest design win to come in the Android space.
Since the Snapdragon 820 with Kryo core clocked at 2.15GHz has been selling for two quarters, the company managed to do additional optimization and increased the clock by an impressive 250MHz getting it to a final 2.4Ghz. This is again a maximal processor clock and as you know this maximal clock will only occur occasionally when the SoC needs a lot of power. We can think of two possible scenarios where you will be able to max the Snapdragon 821, launching the application and some of the games.
Qualcomm has managed to get to 115 design wins with Snapdragon 820, but again since the Snapdragon 820 got so successful, some important clients wanted to get something a bit faster. The company claims a 10 percent performance increase in performance.
It is clear that Snapdragon 821 will not replace the Snapdragon 820. They will both co-exist as many vendors will not want to pay the premium.
The rest of the device including DSP, Snapdragon X12 LTE modem remain unchanged and we are waiting to hear back about the possible change of the maximal GPU clock. Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 is inside of the Samsung Galaxy S7, Galaxy S7 Edge , Xiaomi Mi5, LG G5, HTC 10, LeEco LeMax 2 and Sony Xperia X and at least 108 other less prominent phones.
Snapdragon 821 is expected in phones in the second half of 2016 and it won’t be reserved for smartphones only. You can expect to see Snapdragon 821 based tablets, mobile VR head mounted displays and other new devices. The last Galaxy Note 5 was launched in the middle of August, and that gives us the idea that the Galaxy Note 7 might not be far off either.
We can guess that IFA, that starts in the first days of September in Berlin German will be an interesting place and time for some additional Snapdragon 821 devices too.
Source: Chinareview.mobi