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OMAP3430 vs 1ghz Snapdragon

Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?

Passion has only been rumored to be out, its not actually out, and no specs have been out for it.
I have seen some Android 2.0 ROMS with OMAP 3430 running at 1 GHZ, I have seen some running at 600 Mhz, so its hard to say for sure what will be out,
But I would say do not go with what the rumors tell you, until you can verify everything with 1-2 sources, with the exact same details.
Once you can do that then believe it, but at this time, i have only seen one story about Passion.
I have seen stuff about HTC Dragon that says 1 Ghz Snapdragon, but looking inside a Dragon ROM, and its filled with OMAP reference to everything (1500 OMAP reference, and 5 Qualcomm Reference) So what does that mean, its been rumored for SnapDragon, but I tend to think otherwise.

Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.

Wishmaster89 said:
Just for the record snapdragon too has dedicated GPU - AMD z430(now rebranded adreno 200) and their performance is similar.
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yup, in Barcelona, back in February, I've played Price of persia running at WVGA on the Toshi TG01 (1 GHz Snapdragon) pretty much - the 3D performance was pretty good. also see my dedicated article & video.

interesting, so it seems the snapdragon is in another league... i had no idea it had a dedicated GPU.

65nm ARM Cortex A8-based internals
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http://www.engadget.com/2009/10/27/iphone-3gs-bested-by-android-archos-5-tablet-in-browsing-benchma/

looking forward for PXA168 marvell, till now there isnt any pda with it
intel technology with Xscale driver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW-zznc3ALk

tassadar898 said:
Which is the overall better processor? I've heard that OMAP3430 is better for graphics because it has a dedicated GPU and snapdragon is better for overall snappyness. I've debating between the Motorola Droid or waiting out for the HTC Passion. I'm more interested in video playback and browsing speeds so which of these processors would be better for those?
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Your assessment of which is faster is true. The GPU on the OMAP is a PowerVR SGX which performs better than the Snapdragon GPU which is an AMD Z430. I hope someone else can provide more details on what exactly that means for running applications like the new google navigator.

With screen of 800x480 or above, a fast GPU is a must. With all those graphic applications (games, video, GPS maps, etc), a phone will need high speed graphics. One does not need a number crunching CPU on phone. The phone/processor which has better and faster graphic processor will win.

2D graphics operations aren't hardware-accelerated (in WinMo, at least).

[INFO] WTH is this A9 and A8 Cortex stuff ?? The Sensation CPU is A9 Period.

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title says it all.

Is that Wikipedia? lol
Anyways, from what I've learned, the 8660/8260 are mixes of A8 and A9.

Considering it lists the single core snapdragons as a8, and the dual core snapdragon as a9, when they both contain the same cpu design, that source clearly has issues. Its neither a8 nor a9 but performance wise its somewhere in between. Though it has better neon performance than both.

The Orion cpu is still much more effcient and better anyway... it is also equipped with a better gpu (mali 400)

Its based off the 8's design, just a bit modified.

The dual core snapdragon also includes asynchronous clocking of the cores which depending on the workload could make it more battery efficient.

It's completely irrelevant anyway.
ARM is the company who gives licenses to other company to use their technology, but it's not a final product.
The thing that matters is the actual performance.

As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.

kampf said:
As mentioned before, ARM is the company whose designs all of these CPUs are based upon.
Apple, Samsung, nvidia, Qualcomm, TI, LG, and others license these designs and are at liberty to make changes to how they behave.
The differences between all of the dual-core versions from these companies is vast, not taking into consideration which GPU they use.
The Tegra 2, for example, doesn't have the per-core throttling that Qualcomm and others will probably have. This is probably a result of how quick to market the Tegra 2 was and how efficiently nvidia can produce chips.
It's all very fascinating, and I'm looking forward to owning an A5, Tegra 2, and MSM at the same time.
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Despite having "vast" differences there are very few differences speed differences between CPUS.
The biggest differences between the hummingbird and the snapdragon is the GPU.

actually it s not A9 nor A8, it is at base an enhanced A8 that is similar to A9 architecture in many ways, but has some tweaks up it sleves, Qualcomm call this architecture "Scorpio"
hope this will clear it up:http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011...-cpu-and-gpu-chipsets-coming-later-this-year/

^^ I agree. I did some research into the A8, A9, and core differences again last night. The MSM chip used in the Sensation is a much-modified A8. Qualcomm loves to tinker with the ARM designs.
I do think it's still probably a better chip than the Tegra2, but not the A5/Exy.

Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.

tolis626 said:
Well,it really isn't A8 nor A9.We could say Qualcomm has its "own'' architecture.The Snapdragon's first generation(HD2,Desire etc) was very very close to the A8.The second gen Snapdragon is more A9 than A8.Enhanced chipsets,faster memories,larger RAM etc are all part of it.And Qualcomm's were the only single-core chipsets that could boast this much.Overclockable @2+ GHz without getting fried?I am running my Desire HD daily @1.8GHz and it's stable,it doesn't get hot and it feels faster and smoother than everything I have laid hands onto.
I am very excited to see what the Sensation will bring.AND if it'll rival the Galaxy S 2.
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regardless of if it is closer to a9 or not, it's competitors are putting up better benchmarks, so we end up getting ****tier hardware.

Samsung Exynos 4212. Finally the Apple A5 killer?

Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
See here:
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .

If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.

longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw

Some people think that's more important.

How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.

kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.

Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?

tolis626 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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[Q] How does the MT6589 compare to other quads?

For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?

MGREX said:
For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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I've been interested in the new generation of phones based on this chip also, from AnandTech's forums found the comparison below. The main selling point of the MT6589 SoC is its low cost and low power, so it may not be the fastest, but not many apps or phones take advantage of all the quad-core power either. It gives the most power/watt, and higher bang for the buck.
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Oh man those numbers are awful! Its even below a dual krait!
TBH I wouldn't use "cheap " to describe it since the few decent phones using the older 6577 are as much as those with better silicon.
Take the zte U with a tegra3, costs the same that a jiayu G3 and that one can barely run GTAVC from what I seen.
Most 6589 models are on presale at almost the same than a nexus 4, too bad that one is still out of stock. Seriously what was google thinking selling a quad krait for 300? Of course demand was going to be high.

Of all the benchmarks listed, Antutu is what I believe the most, Quadrant is the least reliable, and has a history of manufacturers easily gaming it. Not sure about the HTML one, but that's a very specific benchmark too. As for pricing, www.fastcardtech.com seems to have good prices, and the MT6589 ones are pre-selling at $220-$250 shipped to the U.S.
Here's the older MT6577 Dualcore JiaYu G3 running GTAVC, looks ok to me:
http://youtu.be/mxsmAfZ2ZEk
The G3 has 1280x720p resolution, which may be too taxing for the older dualcore. The G2S, released later with qHD display is probably a better match (Around $185-200). MT6589 is supposed to have a much better GPU.

Well in antutu its still below everything but the dual krait by a considerable margin.
At 250 its just 50 bucks less than the nexus 4, so as I said its not cheap, just cheaper.
Beidou has announced a 720p tegra3 phone for just 160, which will he around 200 on sites like fastcard.
As for gta, have you seen how laggy it is? And that with everything toned down at the beginning of the video.

Have in mind that mt6589 is clocked to 1-1.2 GHz while other socs are from 1.4-1.7. Also the firmware is preproduction.
Jiayu has announced S1 with 1.5GHz mt6589 which can match a tegra3 on performance and have lower consumption at the same time.
About the mt6577 on jiayu g3 is the only dual core besides krait that handles an 720p screen. You can't compare its gaming performance with an other dual core running on a device with lower resolution.
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Got a link to that? Because most benchs i seen struggle to get past 10k points, while the tegra3 its just a tad short of 20k.
And the S1 is going to have a 1.5 ghz quad S4, not a mtk, thats why its expensive

http://www.gizmochina.com/2013/01/28/the-review-of-mtk-mt6589-processor/

Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish

Keep in mind MediaTek is a Taiwanese company, so the people to get the first & closest look will not be native English speakers. The article provides some interesting tidbits not found in others. Here's an english friendly take:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-and-PDAs/Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-performance-review-vs_13496.html

Gizchina is also foreign and has some grammar issues but the info is good, gizmochina tends to say whatever it wants to linkbait.
Btw that link was interesting, any idea where I can buy that Canvas phone?

MGREX said:
Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
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There will be no next time my friend. I don't have to convince you about anything that you don't want to believe and I don't like eristic behaviours.
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the QHD phone is pretty cool, I run one

.:::::Galaxy S4 Benchmarks thread:::::.

here is video from phonearena but cpu look throttled on Antutu
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GLbenchmark
from GSMarena review :
those benchmarks are really on the Qualcomm S600 version ( GT-I9505 )

what about Galaxy S4 (Exynos Octa 1,6 GHz, PowerVR SGX 544MP) vs Galaxy S4 (Snapdragon 600 quad-core 1.9Ghz, Andreno 320) including battery live tests?

wankingwilly_onlivecam said:
what about Galaxy S4 (Exynos Octa 1,6 GHz, PowerVR SGX 544MP) vs Galaxy S4 (Snapdragon 600 quad-core 1.9Ghz, Andreno 320) including battery live tests?
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Samsung will only start manufacturing the Octa-core in Q2, so don't expect release-ready 5410 benchmarks anytime soon. Which poses the question: what CPU will the international version feature?

BoneXDA said:
Samsung will only start manufacturing the Octa-core in Q2, so don't expect release-ready 5410 benchmarks anytime soon. Which poses the question: what CPU will the international version feature?
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Sasmsung Exynos page said all the non US versions will have Exynos Octa

yahyoh said:
Sasmsung Exynos page said all the non US versions will have Exynos Octa
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Yet the release date of the SIV is earlier than the announced manufacturing date of the Exynos 5401 Octa. That's why I'm asking.

yahyoh said:
Sasmsung Exynos page said all the non US versions will have Exynos Octa
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They are wrong. Never believe anything they tweet.

yahyoh said:
Sasmsung Exynos page said all the non US versions will have Exynos Octa
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Here in Germany we will get the S600 version instead of Exynos Octa

SaschaHa said:
Here in Germany we will get the S600 version instead of Exynos Octa
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how did u know ?

Toss3 said:
They are wrong. Never believe anything they tweet.
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Hmm...IDK but they are Really an Official Samsung page
http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...X6UGrhEUgpxncvSSQJXQWhzya8tUdiOnHLLJq3ie_1g==
look at the end of the page
More information can be found:
- Samsung Exynos brand site : www.samsung.com/exynos
- Samsung Exynos twitter : www.twitter.com/samsungexynos
- Samsung Exynos facebook : www.facebook.com/samsungexynos
- Samsung Exynos Youtube : www.youtube.com/samsungexynos
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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...99272.356011241142009&type=1&relevant_count=1 ( read the comments )

Can't believe people complain about the processor. I'm fine with a snapdragon 600. I
http://i1202.photobucket.com/albums/bb374/TexasEpic/ThePeoplesROM-KennyGlass123/daniel4653.png

Sunspider on Qualcomm 600 1.9 GHz:
SunSpider on Exynos 5410 @ 1.2 GHz:
Octane on Exynos 5410 @ 1.2 Ghz:
Forget about the Tegra 4 comparison. That's just pure benchmarking.

Everything is shaping up for the qualcomm and the exynos to be neck and neck performance wise.

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Everything is shaping up for the qualcomm and the exynos to be neck and neck performance wise.
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IMO Snapdragon 600 is clocked at 1.9GHz for the very reason to match the Octa performance.

BoneXDA said:
IMO Snapdragon 600 is clocked at 1.9GHz for the very reason to match the Octa performance.
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I agree and also I reckon the exynos will win some benchmarks and vice versa but overall I doubt there will be any difference.
Battery life however that will be very interesting to see when the phone officially ships and the reviews start flooding in.

daleski75 said:
I agree and also I reckon the exynos will win some benchmarks and vice versa but overall I doubt there will be any difference.
Battery life however that will be very interesting to see when the phone officially ships and the reviews start flooding in.
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Personally I wouldn't even mind if 5410 underperformed in benchmarks as it will not be noticeacble in real life performance, but a step forward in battery life. Which is the reason I'd underclock any A15 quad anyway, so 1.6GHz for the main 4 and 1.2GHz for the A7s looks ideal for battery : performance ratio.

BoneXDA said:
Personally I wouldn't even mind if 5410 underperformed in benchmarks as it will not be noticeacble in real life performance, but a step forward in battery life. Which is the reason I'd underclock any A15 quad anyway, so 1.6GHz for the main 4 and 1.2GHz for the A7s looks ideal for battery : performance ratio.
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Anandtec/Arstechnica are saying that it's 1.2Ghz for big core and 1.6Ghz for little core.
UPDATE: Anand now says that he is yet to verify the clocks of A15/A7. He was just "told" these values and will confirm the information later.
It's clearly aimed at improving the battery performance.
Clear that even at 1.2 Ghz, it outperforms the 600 @ 1.9Ghz.
Also, it outperforms HTC One/XZ. I would be delighted if it's running at 1.2Ghz. This would mean exceptional battery life. I am more than willing to give up a few brownie points for benchmark and gain 2 more hours of battery life.

yahyoh said:
Sasmsung Exynos page said all the non US versions will have Exynos Octa
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but indonesia version have Qualcomm processor (+ LTE maybe) under name GT-I9505X

hot_spare said:
Anandtec/Arstechnica are saying that it's 1.2Ghz for big core and 1.6Ghz for little core.
UPDATE: Anand now says that he is yet to verify the clocks of A15/A7. He was just "told" these values and will confirm the information later.
It's clearly aimed at improving the battery performance.
Clear that even at 1.2 Ghz, it outperforms the 600 @ 1.9Ghz.
Also, it outperforms HTC One/XZ. I would be delighted if it's running at 1.2Ghz. This would mean exceptional battery life. I am more than willing to give up a few brownie points for benchmark and gain 2 more hours of battery life.
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The A15 cores will be the higher clocked ones obviously. This prototype actually runs the A15s up to 1.8GHz, AnTuTu lands around the [email protected] mark. 1.6GHz Octa clock should land somewhere just below the SD600, but it's still very early to jump to conclusions, as Octa-core is still not yet ready.

BoneXDA said:
The A15 cores will be the higher clocked ones obviously. This prototype actually runs the A15s up to 1.8GHz, AnTuTu lands around the [email protected] mark. 1.6GHz Octa clock should land somewhere just below the SD600, but it's still very early to jump to conclusions, as Octa-core is still not yet ready.
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will be interesting to see how the a15s throttle.
sure, theyre more powerful - but for how long and at what cost on battery life.
at this point i definitely think the s600 gs4 is the one to have.

BoneXDA said:
The A15 cores will be the higher clocked ones obviously. This prototype actually runs the A15s up to 1.8GHz, AnTuTu lands around the [email protected] mark. 1.6GHz Octa clock should land somewhere just below the SD600, but it's still very early to jump to conclusions, as Octa-core is still not yet ready.
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I don't worry, nor care about Antutu. It's a device benchmark, not a CPU benchmark. Ridiculously inconsistent results.
As for prototype device, it's just an engineering model. They have already announced the clocks for production model. So. possibilities are at this time A15 @1.6Ghz and A7 @1.2Ghz. Or the reverse order.