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Quad-core, 2GHz mobile monsters... Qualcomm Snapdragon roadmap leaks!

I look forward to be in 2013!
"Qualcomm Snapdragon roadmap leaks, Krait slithering on the scene soon
By Terrence O'Brien posted Jul 5th 2011 6:08PM
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We've gotten a few peeks at Qualcomm's next-gen Snapdragon chips, codenamed Krait, but now we've got a proper roadmap, including time frames for release, model numbers, and even details about the memory channels. Glancing at the slide above doesn't reveal anything terribly surprising -- the dual-core 8960 (LTE), 8270 (HSPA), and 8260A (HSPA+) will all be shipping to manufacturers later this quarter, in speeds ranging from 1.5GHz to 1.7GHz and come packing the latest Adreno 225 GPU. In Q3 of next year Qualcomm's 28nm tech will trickle down from the high-end to mid-range phones, just ahead of the launch of those quad-core, 2GHz mobile monsters the company teased back in February. Check out the full PDF presentation at the source for more nitty-gritty details."
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faster processors needs big batteries...
2 years from now we'll be using fancy bricks

rhazahrd said:
faster processors needs big batteries...
2 years from now we'll be using fancy bricks
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I know, it will be like carrying a phone the size of a laptop around. Guess they have to hope that power technology advances a lot over the next couple of years too!

ive got sammy galaxy s1 with cm7 and my battery lives 15 hrs (barely)
intresting what kind of battery they'll use @ 2GHZ phone

Old news...

Well,I always knew the day that I would use my phone to reencode videos for my laptop would come...

tolis626 said:
Well,I always knew the day that I would use my phone to reencode videos for my laptop would come...
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why would you need a laptop at that point

champofthesun said:
why would you need a laptop at that point
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Well,I like my laptop!And I don't wanna throw it away!I like the big screen!So,unless someone releases a 17.3" tablet,I'm keeping it!
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Just hope battery life doesn't get affected too badly. But Quadcore in a mobile device sounds nice!!!

tolis626 said:
Well,I like my laptop!And I don't wanna throw it away!I like the big screen!So,unless someone releases a 17.3" tablet,I'm keeping it!
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im looking forward for that day...but still...tablet with that size will be like laptop...
heavy and power hungry

Woo Hoo!!! Two year contract with no upgrade fees after 18 months. Upgraded a month and a half ago. Should be up for an upgrade when they release this.
...oh yeah, I'm with Cell South, the "new phone" then will be a Galaxy S2. But hey, I'll still have unlimited data... ...hopefully.

monsters specs
monsters specs

rhazahrd said:
im looking forward for that day...but still...tablet with that size will be like laptop...
heavy and power hungry
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Yeah!
Seriously though,for me,no software keyboard on a tablet can compare to the physical keyboard of my PC/Laptop.With the phones it goes otherwise.I don't like these QWERTYs with their tiny keys.

Tablet + USB/Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and who needs a laptop?

I will soon became mental and hospitalized, my budget can't keep up with all this new technology..

Road maps rarely stick and you are looking for at least a two quarter difference between when it ships and when it actually shows up in phones.
Battery life truly is a big issue though. I would think it would get to a point where they would not create these more powerful processors because of the ridiculous lack of battery technology over the years. Why would you continue to develop something battery hungry for a product that at some point would negate the effectiveness of it due to the bulk added from a larger battery.
I just got an Atrix though, and i'm wondering why it was easy for them to pack a 1750 battery in a still very thin package with a dual core processor. Same with the Infuse as it is even thinner.

Quad core is already supposed to be out later this year. Qualcomm will be far behind.
Meanwhile their overclocked @1.8 cpus are doing what a stock tegra 2 does. lol

Nvidia say that they will initially be used in tablets which will hit the shops this summer, and the first quad processor phones should be in the shops in time for Christmas. They say there new quad core chips will consume less power then current dual core chips in mobile devices.
My upgrade isn't until April 2012 can't wait to see my next phone.

hopefully the batteries will evolve along with the cpus

I like how Android phones are following the routes of computers, only much faster.
Dual Core phones are still just getting popular-ish and half of the things Android uses runs perfectly off a single core.
I'm predicting that by December of 2012, (no we're not gonna die)
Single Core phones will only remain in the real low budget area or prepaid phones.
Dual Core will be our mid range.
Quad Core will be our high range.

Samsung Exynos 4212. Finally the Apple A5 killer?

Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .

If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.

longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw

Some people think that's more important.

How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.

kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.

Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?

tolis626 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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Samsung lying again in benchmarks

update:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, the benchmarks are not useful, samsung tricks them using special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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kersh said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Pretty scummy of Samsung but I'm sure they aren't alone in benchmark cheating.

kersh said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Yeah. Not a good practice on Samsung's part, but who really cares. I'm not buying this phone because of benchmark scores.

Thats unfortunate.

OMG! Call the phone police!
CPU performance is honestly excellent. The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point. In the situations where we can do cross platform (OS/browser) comparisons, it isn't quite as fast as the iPhone 5s but in some cases it comes close. I should mention that the Note 3 (like many other Android devices - SGS4, HTC One) detects certain benchmarks and ensures CPU frequencies are running at max while running them, rather than relying on the benchmark workload to organically drive DVFS to those frequencies. Max supported CPU frequency is never exceeded in this process, the platform simply primes itself for running those tests as soon as they're detected. The impact is likely small since most of these tests should drive CPU frequencies to their max state regardless (at least on the CPU side), but I'm going to make it a point to call out this behavior whenever I see it from now on.​
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4

Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?

dkb218 said:
Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?
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The Cliff Notes from what Brian at Anandtech explained is that detecting a benchmark running, certain OEMs prime the CPU to run at max output rather than waiting for the request. As he said, the benchmarks run (or at least should) the CPU at max output anyway. It's the difference between testing a car's 0-60MPH speed from a standing start and rolling start. Except in this case you're talking about milliseconds of having the SoC at max output before a benchmark would have pushed the CPU there on its own.
Tempest in a tea pot.

Guys, it's only benchmarks.
If you consider it cheating, than I'm sure Samsung won't be alone doing this (as mentioned in Anandtech review).
Who knows even Apple might also did this.
Benchmark performance only amaze techgeek persons. Most people won't care or even read about it.
I'm more concerned about the performance issues mentioned in ars technica review such as Gallery app.
Does anyone else who already got their phone experienced the same issue?

I stopped believing in benchmarks a long time ago. IMO, they really only serve to give you a general idea of how units of similar hardware/setup might perform. I don't believe there's any true "real world" performance tests that can be done. In the end, only you can decide if something's gonna fit your needs by actually physically messing around with it...

Yeah, who cares about benchmarks. Samsung isn't making the phone perform at some magical speed. The phone is fully capable of performing at the level Samsung 'tricks' the benchmarks into believing. It's just that, the e-peen contests people get from showing off their benchmarks don't equate to real world performance.

Who really cares about benchmarks....really?

wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy

weirdingway said:
wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.

redpill2016 said:
It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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Or car manufactures with car consumption They are all "cheating" for years and you can't do a shi*** and we still going to buy the car...
With "cheating" or not Note 3 is the best god damn phone on the market.

redpill2016 said:
It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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it would have been ok if they applied the same method to the other phones

Benchmarks are for cheerleaders.
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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
Im sure Sammy isnt the only one , but its a slippery slope. What I dont want to see is them capping processing power to proclaim longer battery life while still advertising or benchmarking a full capacity CPU/GPU.

This is not worst than phone manufacturers advertising idle battery time as 800-1000 hours or some other hogwash number. They run those battery tests in their labs in unrealistic conditions that does not resemble real life usage even remotely just to pump up the score. That, in my opinion, is more "cheating" to the consumer than propping the CPU before a benchmark.

What I get from this:
If we rename our favorite apps to "Geekbench" we'll get better performance?

xManMythLegend said:
Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
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Yes and no. And it depends on whether the benchmark is an emulator (talking directly to the h/w) or using the phone's native code and drivers. Since we're on car analogies it's more like bench horsepower (talking directly to the h/w) and horsepower to the wheels (using native code). There are a ton of devices out there that get fantastic benchmarks (they should if they use the same SoC) but crater based on the OEM doing a ****ty job with s/w and drivers.
And if you look at S-800 over S-600 the worst S-800 benchmark is light years ahead of the best S-600. It still comes down to how a device does the things that you ask it to based on your unique apps and settings configuration. I guarantee you my N3 running 113 apps with 9 syncs going all the time isn't going to "feel" as fast as someone else's running "lean" to maximize performance.

Benchmarks

OK, owners of Flex 2 please run some benches, at least Antutu , but it better to run some more from that topic

What does bench marks do or show?

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yellowman82 said:
What does bench marks do or show?
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Go troll somewhere on reddit

Billy Madison said:
Go troll somewhere on reddit
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That's the best that you got? And reason I'm asking is because well i really don't know much about benchmark except that the device with the higher e-penis numbers is maybe the best device and since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great. But hey if you need some e-penis numbers i can show you mines when i get the device lol.

Benchmarks show how much SoC power you got. We're to the point where hardware isn't a problem for UI smoothness, but the software. Android still has scrolling frame drops, and the only way I fixed it was making the min CPU freq to at least 1.19ghz. You can optimize a phone as much as you want to the point where it's the smoothest in UI, but I know for a fact you wouldn't like it when things like emulators/rendering a video to a smaller resolution/heavy gaming/extracting and compressing performance is slower than other phones. The day and age where benchmarks (Quadrant/Linpack) don't matter are over, they do now. Now you should take Antutu with a grain of salt, but Geekbench/GFXBench will show what your device is truly capable of. It's like you're given two PCs with identical hardware (SSD/High end GPU etc) but the CPU in one is an Intel Pentium G3258 and the other is a 4690K. They'll both perform just fine in the OS, only way to find out is with reliable benchmarks.

i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:

silentroom said:
i heard lg g flex 2 have snapdragon 810.. and i have a question
snapdragon 810 (gflex2,minotepro,) vs tegra K1 64bit(nexus 9), which more better(antutu benchmark score)?
snapdragon 810 usually have 50k+ antutu score
i have z1 compact with 41k antutu benchmark, the normal benchmark is 30k-35k
lg g flex 2 antutu score can be different, but usually is 50K+
sorry newbie :crying:
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I personally prefer the snapdragon 810 chip, but the tegra K1 is also a very nice chip, the core frequency just not as nice as the 810..
Just my personal opinion

yellowman82 said:
since most folks say benchmarks barely means anything as long as real world usage and performance is great
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Some ppl agree with your position. And it's fine. You may not care for benchmarks at all. But some other ppl do care, like this example. So, benchmarks can show problems in software implementation of kernel CPU government. Or problems with hardware implementation of proper CPU cooling, like example. And some ppl may want to not pay for such software or hardware crippled devices, it's there choice, they vote by there money and demand vendors to pay proper attention to engineering

High on Android has his up on YouTube.
The Korean model scored 41276 on 64bit then 37754 on 32bit out of the box.

This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!

G Flex 2 is available now where?

lopri said:
G Flex 2 is available now where?
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Good afternoon, no... it will be available on the market starting from 2th March. It has only sent to major carriers.

wolfgart said:
mine
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I got higher than that on Moto Maxx with an 805

zombioptic said:
This was my first. Second, third, and fourth were slightly lower, but nothing has been under 50k so far. Every test was run side by side against my Nexus 6 and the Flex 2 beat it every time. This baby really flies. Here's to hoping it gets some strong Dev support!
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what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
like this :

MEGAX91 said:
what is youre SOC revision ? ( use CPU-Z app )
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Mine is...

jongilluley said:
Mine is...
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i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!

MEGAX91 said:
i thought , Snapdragon 810 lithography is 20 nm !!!!
since when snapdragon 810 use krait 450 architecture !!!
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That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.

Here is my first Antutu bench. 16GB Silver european model (H955)...
Not very bad, at the same level of HTC One M9...
http://dl-1.va.us.xda-developers.co....png?key=UDgIAwmmRRaOPjLGlvUUiQ&ts=1426441144

mw86 said:
That is what i thought as well. Supposed to be 20nm instead of 28nm like the 805.
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Its weird as it should be 20nm but never shows ut no matter what i do haha.
Tried a couple of other apps and they are the same. One app tells me that its revision 2 of the cpu so maybe some changes are being made for heat issues etc? But i cant find anything and im getting good benchmark scores each and everytime with no lagging or throttling yet.
And speeds are good on benchmarks and are running in 64bit mode on antutu so im happy hehe.

HTC U ULTRA 64GB for 275€ in amazon... worth it?

I have just found it, looks like a bargain to me... I know it is not perferct, and definitely a no-no for the 700€ they asked when released, but for 275.... opinions?
Thanks.

I bought mine 3 weeks ago for 360 euro and am definitely happy with it. For 275 eur your can't go wrong in my opinion.

great phone ath this price

I am also considering this phone since in my country i can get it for 300 euros. Only concern I have is battery life and heating... Some reviewers reported heating while regular use and extensive heating while playing games. Russians posted a review where the temperature got up to 57C...

Well i am coming from snapdragon 808 based phone (lg v10) so this one is definitely much cooler. During normal benchmarks for a new phone (antutu 6, 3dmark) it scored well for snapdragon 821 based phone and remained cool. I personally do not play heavy games but for multimedia (including 4k stream from youtube) it does not get hot. Regarding battery life - comparing with my lg v10 which also have 3000 mah battery i get better battery life from the u ultra with the same apps. Standby drain is good and with light usage it can get up to 3 or maybe even 4 days. With my typical moderate to light usage (1 hour music listening, 30 minutes watching video, maybe around 2 hours browsing and viber chat per day) it easily handles 2 days usage so i am ok with that.

Thank you for your reply. What version do u have ( i mean color). Also, that battery life is too good to be true in my opinion since everyone bashed it battery. And the size ? is it a problem since i never used big phones.

I have the unlocked european version. Color is black. Size is similar to my old V10 and is not uncomfortable at least for me. It is good idea to get it in your hand before buying. Regarding the battery - i come from phone with bad battery life due to the combination of big screen and hot and power hungry cpu so u ultra is improvement for me. I personally rate battery life as average. If you come from phone with better battery life you can be disappointed but with quick charge enabled chargers, car adapters and even power banks these days it is not so much of a problem. My advice is to see the battery life rating in gsm arena review and compare it with the rating of your current phone to see if it will be better or worse.

Since my current phone is a Nexus 6, I don't think its size is going to be a problem.

That is the problem i cant see phone in person i can order it only online. Thank you for your replays.

I sold my s8 plus for it. I have the 128GB Saphire Edition any i love it. 6 to 7 sot mo lag great Camera and no heat at all..
For me it is absolut a go.

C.H.T.J. said:
I sold my s8 plus for it. I have the 128GB Saphire Edition any i love it. 6 to 7 sot mo lag great Camera and no heat at all..
For me it is absolut a go.
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Just ordererd it 64GB black, 265€ with a discount coupon. Can't wait it to arrive, I'll share my impressions.

Just received mine. Paid $272 for it. What a beautiful mobile it is, also smooth as butter. I'm in love with it
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Where did you get that $272 price?

tatkovladko said:
Where did you get that $272 price?
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Amazon, the prices vary sharply depending on the colour and storage capacity. Right now, 32GB black units cost 189€ (damn, it wasn't like that a month ago, I'd happily give up 32GB for a 90€ discount)
Whereas 64GB pinks cost 365€

I don't think there is a 32gb variant of u ultra, is it? As far as I remember only 64gb and 128gb for the sapphire glass edition.
So it might be the u play..?

Pocket_rocket said:
Amazon, the prices vary sharply depending on the colour and storage capacity. Right now, 32GB black units cost 189€ (damn, it wasn't like that a month ago, I'd happily give up 32GB for a 90€ discount)
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HTC U Juego means HTC U Play, sadly

ChavezD said:
I don't think there is a 32gb variant of u ultra, is it? As far as I remember only 64gb and 128gb for the sapphire glass edition.
So it might be the u play..?
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HTC U Juego means HTC U Play, sadly
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You guys are right. When you select 64GB, it is a U Ultra, but if you switch to 32, it is a U Play unit instead. I think this is a mistake (I have just reported it) that could lead to buy the wrong phone . Anyway, the prices vary from a colour to other. Currently, the cheapest is the white one, for 262€, when I purchased it a month ago, the black one was the cheapest.
https://www.amazon.es/gp/product/B01N4PUNS7/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&th=1

How is the battery guys and heating?
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How is the battery guys and heating?
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Battery life is pretty average. Not good, not bad. 6-7/10. But there is no heat or lag. Works fine

Definitely better than in MotoZ
Temps are ok unless quick charging, but that is generally normal. Sometimes small lags happen.
For this price is much better than any chinese phone, unless you can't handle this size.