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graphic card on msm7227 same as snapdragon qsd8650

msn7227 has same graphic processor as snapdragon QSD8650 (AMD z430)
here the proof
msm7227:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9480443&D=LGE
QSD8650:
http://www.glbenchmark.com/resultdetails.jsp?benchmark=glpro11&resultid=9334470&D=LG GW820
thats very good for the upcoming 7227 devices..

lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?

tsalta said:
lol
Do this mean that the Drivers for example from Leo must to work on Blackstone too?
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no i dont think so ...
blackstone has msm7201a that has the old generation graphics Q3Dimension MSM7500W
and the msm7227 ,Snapdragon QSD8250 B and QSD8650 has AMD z430 .
i am waiting for the msm7227 3d benchmarks to how good are they really..

hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.

Cotulla said:
hm interesting... I thought before that MSM7227, like MSM7225, have not ATI inside at all.
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i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.

sx1-doc said:
i think qualcomm will not say that msm7227 has AMD Z430 ,not to effect snapdragon party.
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It wouldn't affect it. Snapdragon has faster CPU and supports 720p video where 7227 supports only WVGA and has 600mhz ARM11 CPU.
They're in completely different leagues.

MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast

Cotulla said:
MSM7227 also have VFP (floating point unit) like 8250.
not sure how fast MSM7227 will be, but 8250 is really fast
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i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.

sx1-doc said:
i totally agree with you,but as i know msm7227 is a lowend CPU that have the goodies of highend CPU ,and trust me 600 mhz cpu +AMD 430 + good Drivers should deliver enough power to rum xp or even ubuntu with good speed.
let microsoft stop whining about WM7 requirement with 1ghz cpu and all the crap,just piss me of.
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Do you even know what you're talking about?
MSM7227 is nothing more than upgraded MSM7201 which is by many users considered piece of sh*t.
Compared to qsd8250 it is nothing but low end.
Besides 600mhz ARM11 CPU can't compete with any higher end device, so making it a minimum for WP7S would be pointless, especially considering the timeframe.
So stop whining. I don't see people whining about ipad having 1Ghz CPU...
Other way around. If MS would make lower minimum requirements people would complain that they are not competitive where others use better parts.
P.S. You can't run XP on it! XP is x86 based not ARM based so there is no way you could run it.
For ubuntu I would recommend something faster than 600mhz...

Maybe it's not fast enough for ubuntu or Win7 or whatever, but thanks for that info. HTC just put out the Legend, an android device, which is supposed to supersede the HTC Hero. From what we've seen there was nothing substantial to differentiate the 2 (apart from a dozen of Mhz clockspeed and some ram), but this is quite substancial news to us

it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).

sx1-doc said:
it feels like wm7 will be hacked ,ported to the current devices in a way or another(time will tell).
let me say one more thing ,what i meant that msm7227 doesn't seem so bad as it has been describe on couple of web pages .
i didnt try to compare snapdragon power to msm7227 ,all i want do say that they have the same graphic processor (and thats a good push).
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To port WP7 you need drivers. We don't have them. To make drivers you need band of developers spending their free time trying to write them all by themselves or at best trying to port drivers from newer devices.
Only device which could probably/maybe run WP7 is HD2. End of story.
Don't fool yourself thinking that WP7 will be ported for old QVGA devices or even newer devices like Diamond, X1 or even HD(Blackstone) and not just because of MS but because ODM don't want to invest in old devices when they can invest in newer(which they can then sell and get some profit from it). End of story.
About msm7227. It's not bad. It is what msm7201 should be from the beginning but unfortunately now it is nothing more than mid class.

Of course this chipset has a less performant cpu than the snapdragon, but since they have the same gpu they will offer equal 3d performance. My demo here shows that the HD2 is very powerfull when it comes to extensive per-pixel calculations. The demo uses the gpu as much as possible, the speed of the cpu doesn't matter. So I think that my demo might run even faster on the HD mini than on the HD2, since it has less that half that much pixels compared to the HD2. We'll see
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Epic fail
All i have to say is -Mytouch 3g slide-. this entire thread is one "Epic fail" of, well , i guess some sort of debate of wits. The MTS has the ARM 600 and it is BEAST!!!! Say what you will about this comment but the fact remains that this phone has proven you all wrong. Cheap, low-end, crap..... none of it true when HTC and Android 2.1 combined to use this hardware and created this device...
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Quad-core, 2GHz mobile monsters... Qualcomm Snapdragon roadmap leaks!

I look forward to be in 2013!
"Qualcomm Snapdragon roadmap leaks, Krait slithering on the scene soon
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We've gotten a few peeks at Qualcomm's next-gen Snapdragon chips, codenamed Krait, but now we've got a proper roadmap, including time frames for release, model numbers, and even details about the memory channels. Glancing at the slide above doesn't reveal anything terribly surprising -- the dual-core 8960 (LTE), 8270 (HSPA), and 8260A (HSPA+) will all be shipping to manufacturers later this quarter, in speeds ranging from 1.5GHz to 1.7GHz and come packing the latest Adreno 225 GPU. In Q3 of next year Qualcomm's 28nm tech will trickle down from the high-end to mid-range phones, just ahead of the launch of those quad-core, 2GHz mobile monsters the company teased back in February. Check out the full PDF presentation at the source for more nitty-gritty details."
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faster processors needs big batteries...
2 years from now we'll be using fancy bricks

rhazahrd said:
faster processors needs big batteries...
2 years from now we'll be using fancy bricks
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I know, it will be like carrying a phone the size of a laptop around. Guess they have to hope that power technology advances a lot over the next couple of years too!

ive got sammy galaxy s1 with cm7 and my battery lives 15 hrs (barely)
intresting what kind of battery they'll use @ 2GHZ phone

Old news...

Well,I always knew the day that I would use my phone to reencode videos for my laptop would come...

tolis626 said:
Well,I always knew the day that I would use my phone to reencode videos for my laptop would come...
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why would you need a laptop at that point

champofthesun said:
why would you need a laptop at that point
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Well,I like my laptop!And I don't wanna throw it away!I like the big screen!So,unless someone releases a 17.3" tablet,I'm keeping it!
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Just hope battery life doesn't get affected too badly. But Quadcore in a mobile device sounds nice!!!

tolis626 said:
Well,I like my laptop!And I don't wanna throw it away!I like the big screen!So,unless someone releases a 17.3" tablet,I'm keeping it!
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im looking forward for that day...but still...tablet with that size will be like laptop...
heavy and power hungry

Woo Hoo!!! Two year contract with no upgrade fees after 18 months. Upgraded a month and a half ago. Should be up for an upgrade when they release this.
...oh yeah, I'm with Cell South, the "new phone" then will be a Galaxy S2. But hey, I'll still have unlimited data... ...hopefully.

monsters specs
monsters specs

rhazahrd said:
im looking forward for that day...but still...tablet with that size will be like laptop...
heavy and power hungry
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Yeah!
Seriously though,for me,no software keyboard on a tablet can compare to the physical keyboard of my PC/Laptop.With the phones it goes otherwise.I don't like these QWERTYs with their tiny keys.

Tablet + USB/Bluetooth keyboard and mouse and who needs a laptop?

I will soon became mental and hospitalized, my budget can't keep up with all this new technology..

Road maps rarely stick and you are looking for at least a two quarter difference between when it ships and when it actually shows up in phones.
Battery life truly is a big issue though. I would think it would get to a point where they would not create these more powerful processors because of the ridiculous lack of battery technology over the years. Why would you continue to develop something battery hungry for a product that at some point would negate the effectiveness of it due to the bulk added from a larger battery.
I just got an Atrix though, and i'm wondering why it was easy for them to pack a 1750 battery in a still very thin package with a dual core processor. Same with the Infuse as it is even thinner.

Quad core is already supposed to be out later this year. Qualcomm will be far behind.
Meanwhile their overclocked @1.8 cpus are doing what a stock tegra 2 does. lol

Nvidia say that they will initially be used in tablets which will hit the shops this summer, and the first quad processor phones should be in the shops in time for Christmas. They say there new quad core chips will consume less power then current dual core chips in mobile devices.
My upgrade isn't until April 2012 can't wait to see my next phone.

hopefully the batteries will evolve along with the cpus

I like how Android phones are following the routes of computers, only much faster.
Dual Core phones are still just getting popular-ish and half of the things Android uses runs perfectly off a single core.
I'm predicting that by December of 2012, (no we're not gonna die)
Single Core phones will only remain in the real low budget area or prepaid phones.
Dual Core will be our mid range.
Quad Core will be our high range.

Samsung Exynos 4212. Finally the Apple A5 killer?

Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
See here:
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .

If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.

longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw

Some people think that's more important.

How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.

kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.

Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?

tolis626 said:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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[Q] How does the MT6589 compare to other quads?

For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?

MGREX said:
For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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I've been interested in the new generation of phones based on this chip also, from AnandTech's forums found the comparison below. The main selling point of the MT6589 SoC is its low cost and low power, so it may not be the fastest, but not many apps or phones take advantage of all the quad-core power either. It gives the most power/watt, and higher bang for the buck.
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Oh man those numbers are awful! Its even below a dual krait!
TBH I wouldn't use "cheap " to describe it since the few decent phones using the older 6577 are as much as those with better silicon.
Take the zte U with a tegra3, costs the same that a jiayu G3 and that one can barely run GTAVC from what I seen.
Most 6589 models are on presale at almost the same than a nexus 4, too bad that one is still out of stock. Seriously what was google thinking selling a quad krait for 300? Of course demand was going to be high.

Of all the benchmarks listed, Antutu is what I believe the most, Quadrant is the least reliable, and has a history of manufacturers easily gaming it. Not sure about the HTML one, but that's a very specific benchmark too. As for pricing, www.fastcardtech.com seems to have good prices, and the MT6589 ones are pre-selling at $220-$250 shipped to the U.S.
Here's the older MT6577 Dualcore JiaYu G3 running GTAVC, looks ok to me:
http://youtu.be/mxsmAfZ2ZEk
The G3 has 1280x720p resolution, which may be too taxing for the older dualcore. The G2S, released later with qHD display is probably a better match (Around $185-200). MT6589 is supposed to have a much better GPU.

Well in antutu its still below everything but the dual krait by a considerable margin.
At 250 its just 50 bucks less than the nexus 4, so as I said its not cheap, just cheaper.
Beidou has announced a 720p tegra3 phone for just 160, which will he around 200 on sites like fastcard.
As for gta, have you seen how laggy it is? And that with everything toned down at the beginning of the video.

Have in mind that mt6589 is clocked to 1-1.2 GHz while other socs are from 1.4-1.7. Also the firmware is preproduction.
Jiayu has announced S1 with 1.5GHz mt6589 which can match a tegra3 on performance and have lower consumption at the same time.
About the mt6577 on jiayu g3 is the only dual core besides krait that handles an 720p screen. You can't compare its gaming performance with an other dual core running on a device with lower resolution.
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Got a link to that? Because most benchs i seen struggle to get past 10k points, while the tegra3 its just a tad short of 20k.
And the S1 is going to have a 1.5 ghz quad S4, not a mtk, thats why its expensive

http://www.gizmochina.com/2013/01/28/the-review-of-mtk-mt6589-processor/

Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish

Keep in mind MediaTek is a Taiwanese company, so the people to get the first & closest look will not be native English speakers. The article provides some interesting tidbits not found in others. Here's an english friendly take:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-and-PDAs/Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-performance-review-vs_13496.html

Gizchina is also foreign and has some grammar issues but the info is good, gizmochina tends to say whatever it wants to linkbait.
Btw that link was interesting, any idea where I can buy that Canvas phone?

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Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
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There will be no next time my friend. I don't have to convince you about anything that you don't want to believe and I don't like eristic behaviours.
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the QHD phone is pretty cool, I run one

My Galaxy S4 330s Red Aroma Snapdragon 800

The phone retails for 950,000 won which is around 900 bucks? It's about 50+ dollars expensive than the regular S4.
As for the exterior, it's the exact dimensions of the s4. Mine is completely stock, locked, with a fair amount of bloatware. But a lot of potential!
I'll upload more pics
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3DMark Ice Storm
Extreme Ice Storm
Quadrant

That's one hell of a benchmark. Probably will annoy quite a few people

I'm jealous!!!!

Nice first score! I reckon GPU-centric tests will show the real difference, GFX Bench, Epic Citadel, Basemark, 3D Mark.
But I'm also interested in SunSpider, and even moreso - in battery life.
Wonder who any why closed my thread BTW. @mods

hollakris said:
The phone retails for 950,000 won which is around 900 bucks? It's about 50+ dollars expensive than the regular S4.
As for the exterior, it's the exact dimensions of the s4. Mine is completely stock, locked, with a fair amount of bloatware. But a lot of potential!
I'll upload more pics
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If is 90 dollars, and about 50 dollars more than the regular S4, this is more than double the price.
I'm just curious how much would it cost free of network, because that's how I always buy my phones.
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That's one hell of a benchmark. Probably will annoy quite a few people
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The community here is complaining and raging. They want to recall the regular S4s that's only been out for 2 months.

cool i see nothing special
can u share Quadrant - geekbench - sunspider - mozilla kraken - Google Octane - LTE-A speed test
BTW congratulation

Hi. Please do let us know how the battery fares up against the 600 variant. Waiting for tge battery lige results.
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Can this version of S4 be used on European carriers?
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Hi. Please do let us know how the battery fares up against the 600 variant. Waiting for tge battery lige results.
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The battery life is a noticeably better than the S3 (used the S3 lte model).
Charged mine up completely and I'm still running on the same battery with 20% left after 20 hours.

Is that the LTE-Advanced S4?
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Why in quadrant is says that display has dpi 160x160 ? Thats a bit strange as it has the same display as the normal s4.

hollakris said:
The battery life is a noticeably better than the S3 (used the S3 lte model).
Charged mine up completely and I'm still running on the same battery with 20% left after 20 hours.
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Great to know. What is your screen on time?
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It seems like the only difference in the benchmarks is in the GPU side. About 40% better than my S4. Considering the CPU clocked much higher, I'm a bit disappointed with the S800.

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It seems like the only difference in the benchmarks is in the GPU side. About 40% better than my S4. Considering the CPU clocked much higher, I'm a bit disappointed with the S800.
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It is a very early build though, even though it is officially out with the device. One feels this was the most rushed release by Samsung ever, few days ago we didn't even know of it's existence and now and only saw early tests of the SD800 Note III, and all of the sudden the same SoC is in an S4 and out in stores. I predict performance quickly closing to Anandtech's reference scores, not that 19000 in Quadrant is not stunning.

Love this phone since left a iPhone 5 for the s3 and now that got a s4 they launch a new better version and only 2 months after! Sent a email to Samsung I'm not happy
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It is a very early build though, even though it is officially out with the device. One feels this was the most rushed release by Samsung ever, few days ago we didn't even know of it's existence and now and only saw early tests of the SD800 Note III, and all of the sudden the same SoC is in an S4 and out in stores. I predict performance quickly closing to Anandtech's reference scores, not that 19000 in Quadrant is not stunning.
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It won't be a lot different. The early builds of the Exynos5 Octa got about 25K on antutu and officially it gets 28K. Even with 3K difference (which I really doubt will be this time) it still won't change a lot the CPU score which is about the same as my S4. 1.6Ghz Vs. 2.3Ghz - really a shame
Quadrant depends a lot on GPU performance, so I'm really not surprised by the results (about 40% better than the S600).

noideaforusername said:
It won't be a lot different. The early builds of the Exynos5 Octa got about 25K on antutu and officially it gets 28K. Even with 3K difference (which I really doubt will be this time) it still won't change a lot the CPU score which is about the same as my S4. 1.6Ghz Vs. 2.3Ghz - really a shame
Quadrant depends a lot on GPU performance, so I'm really not surprised by the results (about 40% better than the S600).
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Well the Xperia ZU scored 35k on pre-release sporting the same SD800/Adreno330, so there are rounds to go. The GPU is about 80% faster that it's predecessor according to Anandtech.

BoneXDA said:
Well the Xperia ZU scored 35k on pre-release sporting the same SD800/Adreno330, so there are rounds to go.
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BoneXDA said:
It is a very early build though, even though it is officially out with the device. One feels this was the most rushed release by Samsung ever, few days ago we didn't even know of it's existence and now and only saw early tests of the SD800 Note III, and all of the sudden the same SoC is in an S4 and out in stores. I predict performance quickly closing to Anandtech's reference scores, not that 19000 in Quadrant is not stunning.
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even though how the hell XZ U scored higher on Antutu and Quadrant ?
i don't think updates gonna make big difference
so there is either CPU overheating and throttling or throttling @ Specified Watt to lower battery consumption

This topic is about the Korean LTE-Advanced S4, what does that have to do with a Sony device?