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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, the benchmarks are not useful, samsung tricks them using special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Pretty scummy of Samsung but I'm sure they aren't alone in benchmark cheating.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Yeah. Not a good practice on Samsung's part, but who really cares. I'm not buying this phone because of benchmark scores.
Thats unfortunate.
OMG! Call the phone police!
CPU performance is honestly excellent. The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point. In the situations where we can do cross platform (OS/browser) comparisons, it isn't quite as fast as the iPhone 5s but in some cases it comes close. I should mention that the Note 3 (like many other Android devices - SGS4, HTC One) detects certain benchmarks and ensures CPU frequencies are running at max while running them, rather than relying on the benchmark workload to organically drive DVFS to those frequencies. Max supported CPU frequency is never exceeded in this process, the platform simply primes itself for running those tests as soon as they're detected. The impact is likely small since most of these tests should drive CPU frequencies to their max state regardless (at least on the CPU side), but I'm going to make it a point to call out this behavior whenever I see it from now on.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4
Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?
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Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?
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The Cliff Notes from what Brian at Anandtech explained is that detecting a benchmark running, certain OEMs prime the CPU to run at max output rather than waiting for the request. As he said, the benchmarks run (or at least should) the CPU at max output anyway. It's the difference between testing a car's 0-60MPH speed from a standing start and rolling start. Except in this case you're talking about milliseconds of having the SoC at max output before a benchmark would have pushed the CPU there on its own.
Tempest in a tea pot.
Guys, it's only benchmarks.
If you consider it cheating, than I'm sure Samsung won't be alone doing this (as mentioned in Anandtech review).
Who knows even Apple might also did this.
Benchmark performance only amaze techgeek persons. Most people won't care or even read about it.
I'm more concerned about the performance issues mentioned in ars technica review such as Gallery app.
Does anyone else who already got their phone experienced the same issue?
I stopped believing in benchmarks a long time ago. IMO, they really only serve to give you a general idea of how units of similar hardware/setup might perform. I don't believe there's any true "real world" performance tests that can be done. In the end, only you can decide if something's gonna fit your needs by actually physically messing around with it...
Yeah, who cares about benchmarks. Samsung isn't making the phone perform at some magical speed. The phone is fully capable of performing at the level Samsung 'tricks' the benchmarks into believing. It's just that, the e-peen contests people get from showing off their benchmarks don't equate to real world performance.
Who really cares about benchmarks....really?
wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy
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wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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Or car manufactures with car consumption They are all "cheating" for years and you can't do a shi*** and we still going to buy the car...
With "cheating" or not Note 3 is the best god damn phone on the market.
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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it would have been ok if they applied the same method to the other phones
Benchmarks are for cheerleaders.
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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
Im sure Sammy isnt the only one , but its a slippery slope. What I dont want to see is them capping processing power to proclaim longer battery life while still advertising or benchmarking a full capacity CPU/GPU.
This is not worst than phone manufacturers advertising idle battery time as 800-1000 hours or some other hogwash number. They run those battery tests in their labs in unrealistic conditions that does not resemble real life usage even remotely just to pump up the score. That, in my opinion, is more "cheating" to the consumer than propping the CPU before a benchmark.
What I get from this:
If we rename our favorite apps to "Geekbench" we'll get better performance?
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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
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Yes and no. And it depends on whether the benchmark is an emulator (talking directly to the h/w) or using the phone's native code and drivers. Since we're on car analogies it's more like bench horsepower (talking directly to the h/w) and horsepower to the wheels (using native code). There are a ton of devices out there that get fantastic benchmarks (they should if they use the same SoC) but crater based on the OEM doing a ****ty job with s/w and drivers.
And if you look at S-800 over S-600 the worst S-800 benchmark is light years ahead of the best S-600. It still comes down to how a device does the things that you ask it to based on your unique apps and settings configuration. I guarantee you my N3 running 113 apps with 9 syncs going all the time isn't going to "feel" as fast as someone else's running "lean" to maximize performance.
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many people say that benchmarks arent a good representation of a phones real life performance. i never really believed them, it always sounded like a cop out of them having to admit they bought a crappy device. but the infuse doesnt do well, and it really feels like a snappy phone. my dell streak overclocked to 1.2ghz doesnt feel this fast yet it would out benchmark the infuse. is this because the 2d and 3d performance is greater and its just the ui that feels fast? whats so different that the snapdragons technically have better cpus? seems they really benefited from 2.2 but not the hummingbird so much. i wish quadrant would update to include a newer list of devices to compare to. what are you doing to increase your cpu speeds?
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Once we get rid of rfs filesysyem for ext4, you'll be proud again
The Jack of Clubs said:
many people say that benchmarks arent a good representation of a phones real life performance. i never really believed them, it always sounded like a cop out of them having to admit they bought a crappy device. but the infuse doesnt do well, and it really feels like a snappy phone. my dell streak overclocked to 1.2ghz doesnt feel this fast yet it would out benchmark the infuse. is this because the 2d and 3d performance is greater and its just the ui that feels fast? whats so different that the snapdragons technically have better cpus? seems they really benefited from 2.2 but not the hummingbird so much. i wish quadrant would update to include a newer list of devices to compare to. what are you doing to increase your cpu speeds?
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What can handle ext4 file system?
the problem with quadrant is it stacks the scores. not a good representation unless you have some algorithm to determine how much each part of the system has to do with the fealing of performance and at what point you have speed that doesnt effect anything because the rest of the signal chain cant keep up. there are benchmarks that attemp to do this like smart benchmark 2011. but i dont feel a composite score is ever a true representation no matter how much math and reasoning you throw at it. look at the individual scores and see where it is lacking, then decide if that area is even important!
other than that the cpu score on quadrant is a mini composite score. it tests many areas. one area is floating point operations. the hummingbird is not that greatwith floating point. this is weighed heavily because there was a time when processors were simpler and floating point takes a lot of power and it was also relevant to engineering which was the primary purpose of computers at one time. it isnt a good benchmark on a modern computer unless you are crunching large sets of numbers. this is partly because it is not relevant to anything else as the processor has a dedicated floating point unit. quallcom has a better fpu. in a way snapdragons cheat at quadrant because they score high in an area that is hardly relevant. the humming bird can process media very well and if you have 2.3 gingerbread and enable stagefreight features you will see the cpu score climb way past the nexus one!
other than that we have embedded os. there isnt much io, the file system score is way too sensitive. put the data on an ext2 loopback or convert to nilfs2 with gingerbread and stagefright enabled and you will see scores that will make the sgs2 look bad but it wont mean much in reality. notice that and 2d graphics are the only areas the droid x wins but it wins by a margin that puts it above the infuse, if we convert to ext4 for fair comparison you will see the infuse with a score that will top the chart.
benchmarks arent useless but it is up to you to collect data, interperate it and decide what it is actually telling you. that is the hard part to convey to people.
I Just order the Transformer Infinity and then I read this article
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/
Apparently the Adreno 320 GPU in the upcoming APQ8064 is an absolute beast in terms of performance and frankly kicks Tegra 3 to the curb. Does anybody know how long one would have to wait for a tablet featuring this processor? I'm not sure whether to return the Infinity and wait for this seeing as how the T33 has trouble keeping up with all the pixels on the Infinity. Thoughts?
if news of this new tablet come out in the next 30 days my tf700 goes back to newegg
engadget /2012/07/24/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-pro-quad-core-dev-tablet-now-available/
Products with this chipset are already available. Note the pricetag: $1300. I can imagine that this chipset will be exclusive to Qualcomm for sometime, at least now that they are producing entire tablets. It's not likely that you'll see this chip in products from manufacturers other than Qualcomm for a while, and when you do, the price will make your wallet cringe. No buyer's remorse here.
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I Just order the Transformer Infinity and then I read this article
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/
Apparently the Adreno 320 GPU in the upcoming APQ8064 is an absolute beast in terms of performance and frankly kicks Tegra 3 to the curb. Does anybody know how long one would have to wait for a tablet featuring this processor? I'm not sure whether to return the Infinity and wait for this seeing as how the T33 has trouble keeping up with all the pixels on the Infinity. Thoughts?
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I just saw this too,but it's a 1280x800 display, and did you see the size of that thing? For that money and that bulk you can get an i5 tab with windows and far better performance. It does look promising for the future though.
psych2l said:
I Just order the Transformer Infinity and then I read this article
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/
Apparently the Adreno 320 GPU in the upcoming APQ8064 is an absolute beast in terms of performance and frankly kicks Tegra 3 to the curb. Does anybody know how long one would have to wait for a tablet featuring this processor? I'm not sure whether to return the Infinity and wait for this seeing as how the T33 has trouble keeping up with all the pixels on the Infinity. Thoughts?
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This is a developer tablet. Its intended for companies who build devices, not consumers. I guarantee you, you will NOT see any devices with this CPU for AT LEAST a few months... more likely than not, probably around holiday season. Besides, the Tegra 3 was in the Nexus so it'll have support for quite a while. I wouldnt worry about it.
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I Just order the Transformer Infinity and then I read this article
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/24/qualcomm-snapdragon-s4-pro-apq8064-benchmark/
Apparently the Adreno 320 GPU in the upcoming APQ8064 is an absolute beast in terms of performance and frankly kicks Tegra 3 to the curb. Does anybody know how long one would have to wait for a tablet featuring this processor? I'm not sure whether to return the Infinity and wait for this seeing as how the T33 has trouble keeping up with all the pixels on the Infinity. Thoughts?
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The T33 does not have trouble with the pixels. It's ASUS's IO problem that's causing much of the stutter (like when installing apps) and what isn't fixed by ASUS with the IO fix will be with Jelly Bean in the coming months. Just stare at your tablet's screen and admire how pretty it is and watch your buyers remorse float away. Worked for me.
Hehe ok, I'm staying strong, it's just when you see benchies like these you start to worry a bit about futureproofing your investment. I'll try to enjoy it for what it is today
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
I hate to be that guy...but could you please use more descriptive* thread titles in the future? It'd be swell.
* As in, mention that you're talking about a competing product.
psych2l said:
Hehe ok, I'm staying strong, it's just when you see benchies like these you start to worry a bit about futureproofing your investment. I'll try to enjoy it for what it is today
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
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See, and that's the thing, people are so caught up in the next big thing, and tech moves so fast that people fail to appreciate what they do have, and don't learn all of it's features before moving on.
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See, and that's the thing, people are so caught up in the next big thing, and tech moves so fast that people fail to appreciate what they do have, and don't learn all of it's features before moving on.
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I agree, that's why I'm happy with my tablet and my phone.
Also, benchmarks are a horrible way to show which device is better. There's too many factors to why something would get a lower score.
KilerG said:
I agree, that's why I'm happy with my tablet and my phone.
Also, benchmarks are a horrible way to show which device is better. There's too many factors to why something would get a lower score.
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Exactly! Benchmarks are meant to give you an idea, a starting point, and they can often be skewed to make the device being tested better than it is. Like my Nexus 7, it is scoring lower right now, but that's because it's running Jelly Bean and programs like Quadrant haven't caught up to that yet. I guess if you're wealthy, you can change devices weekly, me, I'm just Middle Class, aka an Endangered Species
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By the way, want to buy an extra, brand new TF700? Lol I got the replacement from Amazon today, so now I have the one from Best Buy running and this, I should probably send it back, but having two might be good for development, arrgghhh, what to do?!
KilerG said:
Also, benchmarks are a horrible way to show which device is better. There's too many factors to why something would get a lower score.
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This. When the Atrix got CM7, it increased the score in quadrant compared to the stock rom by a little over 1,000 points. It felt smoother, yes, but not drastically smoother. If something works fine, why bother with stupid meaningless numbers? Devices with this processor coming out in ~6 months dont make the Tegra 3 any less of a slouch.
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See, and that's the thing, people are so caught up in the next big thing, and tech moves so fast that people fail to appreciate what they do have, and don't learn all of it's features before moving on.
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+1 -- Moore's Law and so on. If you wait to buy better, you'll end up in your grave (or any other location, in any desired way, shape or form) before having bought anything. (Same for goes for not buying a device having 'issues'.)
MartyHulskemper said:
+1 -- Moore's Law and so on. If you wait to buy better, you'll end up in your grave (or any other location, in any desired way, shape or form) before having bought anything. (Same for goes for not buying a device having 'issues'.)
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Well said Marty!
As soon as we get an unlock tool from Asus I'll appreciate my 700 much more.
This thing will fly with cm10.
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humdrum2009 said:
As soon as we get an unlock tool from Asus I'll appreciate my 700 much more.
This thing will fly with cm10.
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Unlock tool now available on Asus' site!
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If you wait a month or two you can almost certainly get a better tablet for the money. But then when you find that tablet and you are ready to buy it, you could then wait another month or so for the next tablet. Then when its out...get where I'm going? Buy the tablet, enjoy the tablet, if something comes out and you can still return, then hell go for it and buy the next greatest thing. There will ALWAYS be the next best thing around the corner.
Yeah... I'll put my money on a MINIMUM of 6 months, before we see a consumer product that sports this new hardware.
That's the perils of staying on the bleeding edge... by the time something finally comes to market, something ELSE is already being announced. It is what it is.
psych2l said:
Hehe ok, I'm staying strong, it's just when you see benchies like these you start to worry a bit about futureproofing your investment. I'll try to enjoy it for what it is today
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6112/...agon-s4-apq8064adreno-320-performance-preview
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I don't think that you can see the difference of 97 and 251 FPS with a naked eye. No device is future proof.
Splaktar said:
I don't think that you can see the difference of 97 and 251 FPS with a naked eye. No device is future proof.
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Especially not on a screen that is only physically capable of rendering 60 frames per second.
Hello!
I got my eyes on this phone for a while now, and I'm finally set to buy it.
I have been using Xperia XZ for two years and I love it, but the throttling is very bad on this phone.
I read that the XZ Premium does not have any throttling whatsoever. I couldn't find any video or picture of users using a Throttling Test App.
So what I want is someone who has a XZ Premium (not rooted) to download the CPU Throttling Test and take a snapshot or a video of the screen after 10~15 minutes of the test.
That would help me decide to buy it on the spot.
Thank you very much!
It seems it does throttle, with the CPU speed on the higher cores dropping from 2.36GHz to 2GHz. This is with a year old XZP, tested with charger off, and a thick Spigen case on.
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However, in terms of actual every day use, I don't see any slow down at all, even with gaming. Is there a reason why you need a phone that doesn't throttle?
Mostly just for everyday gaming like MOBAs.
But, throttling from 2.3 to 2.0 is almost nothing (I think?)
The Xperia XZ goes from 2.1 to 1.1. That's a lot and the phone lags, the fps on games gets really low, and gets way to hot to handle on a 25 min. MOBA game.
That looked pretty good! I Think I will get this phone!
Thank you for your response!
There are also more results on youtube regarding the cpu throttling for sd845 phones.
Kreens said:
Hello!
I got my eyes on this phone for a while now, and I'm finally set to buy it.
I have been using Xperia XZ for two years and I love it, but the throttling is very bad on this phone.
I read that the XZ Premium does not have any throttling whatsoever. I couldn't find any video or picture of users using a Throttling Test App.
So what I want is someone who has a XZ Premium (not rooted) to download the CPU Throttling Test and take a snapshot or a video of the screen after 10~15 minutes of the test.
That would help me decide to buy it on the spot.
Thank you very much!
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dude I dont trust these softwares that check cpu throtteling,
all I know is real action, if I can feel a stutter then I call that cpu throtteling like crazy
but this phone man, its crazy fast, no lags, crazy smooth I mean I dont ever think of buying a newer phone after this, its just mad in terms of speed it can still beat S9's and Note 9's and oneplus's
and its a year old with me.
keep in mind, that is on the screen resolution out of the box, if you wanna do like me (who really loves CRISP quality) and use the "4k all the time" mod, it will not feel as smooth as on 1080p but to me its really worth it because it still doesnt lag at least not something to be conciderablly noticeable, but if youre not obsessed with 4k screens and keep it on 1080, I dont think there is a better device than this one, not even the ones with snapdragon 845 even if there is a faster phone, that extra speed wouldnt make a huge difference in my opinion..
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HI! This phone (XZ Premium) is SD835 friend.
madshark2009 said:
dude I dont trust these softwares that check cpu throtteling,
all I know is real action, if I can feel a stutter then I call that cpu throtteling like crazy
but this phone man, its crazy fast, no lags, crazy smooth I mean I dont ever think of buying a newer phone after this, its just mad in terms of speed it can still beat S9's and Note 9's and oneplus's
and its a year old with me.
keep in mind, that is on the screen resolution out of the box, if you wanna do like me (who really loves CRISP quality) and use the "4k all the time" mod, it will not feel as smooth as on 1080p but to me its really worth it because it still doesnt lag at least not something to be conciderablly noticeable, but if youre not obsessed with 4k screens and keep it on 1080, I dont think there is a better device than this one, not even the ones with snapdragon 845 even if there is a faster phone, that extra speed wouldnt make a huge difference in my opinion..
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I feel you! That's why I feel in love with this phone. I see that almost nobody complains about speed, lag or stuttering. I already ordered one! I can't wait to get my hands on it!
Kreens said:
I feel you! That's why I feel in love with this phone. I see that almost nobody complains about speed, lag or stuttering. I already ordered one! I can't wait to get my hands on it!
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congrats bro! enjoy your not toy
There are Android Emulators that can force other games to run at 60 FPS even if they are 30-FPS locked, android system on Bluestacks CN version do it for all games, even for games like Ragnarok M SEA, Asphalt 9, and Fortnite who are well known to be locked at 30 FPS only.
The question is, can we do this on Oneplus? On an actual android device? What did Bluestacks CN do to their android OS that enables them to force-unlock those FPS-locked games?
Hilarious how they advertised 90hz so much when in reality, it's really an impractical feature. So is it worth getting $700 phone just for that sweet 90hz? ?
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Hilarious how they advertised 90hz so much when in reality, it's really an impractical feature. So is it worth getting $700 phone just for that sweet 90hz? ?
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And then you think that Refresh rate is the same as fps
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Freyelis said:
There are Android Emulators that can force other games to run at 60 FPS even if they are 30-FPS locked, android system on Bluestacks CN version do it for all games, even for games like Ragnarok M SEA, Asphalt 9, and Fortnite who are well known to be locked at 30 FPS only.
The question is, can we do this on Oneplus? On an actual android device? What did Bluestacks CN do to their android OS that enables them to force-unlock those FPS-locked games?
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Im not an expert on BlueStacks as it sucked 5 years ago, but now it can use native harware as GPU it should have the access to cache and delivery you the info to your display using computer performance instead of mobile limited performance as before. Smartphones, Read Game info from ROM, forward it to RAM, process it in CPU, sendt GPU and Display.
BlueStacks Opens it's Virtualization in the computer RAM (it uses set CPU to operate itself as windows software but most RAM you set is to recreate the game or whole android OS) In the RAM it reads, creates, replicate (emulates) and Then fowards that copy to GPU with NEW instructions to render it at set Fps, then To display, provided that it is lighter than a normal windows app, it should do the job just well. It does more precessing but using superior hardware that helps it mimic the instructions and catapults it at a higher frame.
Never even claimed that fps is same as refresh rates. You cannot take advantage of 90hz if the app is capped at 60fps. And the reality is that 90% of apps on playestore are capped at 60fps and probably will never change any time soon. So was it worth removing headphone jack and expandable storage for that sweet 90hz? ??
I bet everyone here would prefer to be running the LG V2O instead...lol.
In case some of you guys do not know, Vsync is ALWAYS turned on in Android, so and Refresh Rate ADAPTS to FPS. in an uncapped state, for example, Vainglory, it can run at 120 Hz, it's also on 120 FPS SINCE VSYNC IS TURNED ON.
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I bet everyone here would prefer to be running the LG V2O instead...lol.
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My main device is Note 9 you pleb. I bought LGV20 as my backup phone and also to experiment with it and try its quad dac. It's dirt cheap on Ebay anyway. But even still lgv20 is stil better than OP7 for simply having everything. Enjoy your iphone rip off.
Edit:mate enjoy OP leaking your email :good:
Sounds plausable... enjoy your modern phone mate!
noddledizzy said:
My main device is Note 9 you pleb. I bought LGV20 as my backup phone and also to experiment with it and try its quad dac. It's dirt cheap on Ebay anyway. But even still lgv20 is stil better than OP7 for simply having everything. Enjoy your iphone rip off.
Edit:mate enjoy OP leaking your email :good:
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Enjoy your laggy bloated mess
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Never even claimed that fps is same as refresh rates. You cannot take advantage of 90hz if the app is capped at 60fps. And the reality is that 90% of apps on playestore are capped at 60fps and probably will never change any time soon. So was it worth removing headphone jack and expandable storage for that sweet 90hz?
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Lol unfortunately you're wrong there buddy. The difference is hugely noticeable; it's the only reason why ASUS/Razer "Gaming phones" have such a buttery looking display. Refresh rate=/=FPS. Refresh rates are an entirely different beast then FPS. Refresh rates function on a different aspect of our biological being- Fusion Flicker Threshold. 60hz is considered the most cost effective and pleasing refresh rate for most of humanity- and that's true. But, you're bound to notice the very slight flicker or jankiness or 60hz next to a higher refresh screen.
noddledizzy said:
My main device is Note 9 you pleb. I bought LGV20 as my backup phone and also to experiment with it and try its quad dac. It's dirt cheap on Ebay anyway. But even still lgv20 is stil better than OP7 for simply having everything. Enjoy your iphone rip off.
Edit:mate enjoy OP leaking your email :good:
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AH i got it! U seem confused and jealous mate let me help u out:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9
Its the note 9 forum. You seem to have mistaken your device for a better one with a 90hz display and no bloatware. Ur phone is over here https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-9
Please hit thanks if i helped! Thanks!
Are people actually mad that we're chilling on this side of xda? Good steady development flow, rooted etc....having fun with this phone what's up with y'all?.....I almost forgot where I was for a second with all the whining
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Are people actually mad that we're chilling on this side of xda? Good steady development flow, rooted etc....having fun with this phone what's up with y'all?.....I almost forgot where I was for a second with all the whining
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Idk, people seem to have an agenda against OP & the userbase. The V20 guy doesn't even own the phone.. just came & started mocking the company & the phone.
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I came to this thread to hopefully find an answer to why I can't just unlock the framerate in games on Android, and of course its full of idiots *****ing about their favorite phones. Can *anyone* here be helpful?
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Lol unfortunately you're wrong there buddy. The difference is hugely noticeable; it's the only reason why ASUS/Razer "Gaming phones" have such a buttery looking display. Refresh rate=/=FPS. Refresh rates are an entirely different beast then FPS. Refresh rates function on a different aspect of our biological being- Fusion Flicker Threshold. 60hz is considered the most cost effective and pleasing refresh rate for most of humanity- and that's true. But, you're bound to notice the very slight flicker or jankiness or 60hz next to a higher refresh screen.
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Bro you high or something? I never claimed that there is no huge difference between 60hz and high refresh rates. I own 240hz monitor and I can attest to that.
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I came to this thread to hopefully find an answer to why I can't just unlock the framerate in games on Android, and of course its full of idiots *****ing about their favorite phones. Can *anyone* here be helpful?
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You cannot. high refresh rate on android is still a joke. No app developer would go out of their way to add higher refresh rates on their apps. There are few apps but they're 1% Stop treating your mobile devices as gaming devices. With the money you bought your 90hz-144hz phone with, you could've already bought a 240hz monitor with that lol.
Hi Guys,
is it only my device or does the exynos model suck in general?
This is my S22U(Exynos):
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I don't recognize the screenshots, with what are you testing? And what are you actually doing, copy some files from one location to another on the internal storage?
Yeah it sucks.
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Yeah it sucks.
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Anything to backup your affirmation or just another preconceived idea?
My Exynos is just what I wanted...no heating, no lag, stutter or whatever, it is fast, I have 6 hrs+ SOT, blazing fast 5G speeds and it lasts the whole day...
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Anything to backup your affirmation or just another preconceived idea?
My Exynos is just what I wanted...no heating, no lag, stutter or whatever, it is fast, I have 6 hrs+ SOT, blazing fast 5G speeds and it lasts the whole day...
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Have a try at using the Zf4 beside it. You'll see the difference, heck even the ZF3 with sd888 is more efficient and smoother/has less frame drops.
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Have a try at using the Zf4 beside it. You'll see the difference, heck even the ZF3 with sd888 is more efficient and smoother/has less frame drops.
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I don't contest a Fold could be faster, I also owned a Fold 3 for some time then returned it as it doesn't fit my needs so I know how they are. But the Exynos 2200 is very close with it's SD counterpart and to be honest I don't care about some marginal higher benchmark scores. I don't do benchmarks, I just use the phone (mainly business) and it never failed me, or had lag or stutter. It just works and is flawless at everything I throw at it.
I don't want to enter in the Exy vs SD debate, it is neverending but saying that it "sucks" at least for the S22 series is completely wrong, actually in tests SD is heating more and suffers from throttling
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I don't contest a Fold could be faster, I also owned a Fold 3 for some time then returned it as it doesn't fit my needs so I know how they are. But the Exynos 2200 is very close with it's SD counterpart and to be honest I don't care about some marginal higher benchmark scores. I don't do benchmarks, I just use the phone (mainly business) and it never failed me. I don't want to enter in the Exy vs SD debate, it is neverending but saying that it "sucks" at least for the S22 series is completely wrong, actually in tests SD is heating more and suffers from throttling
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Both the Exynos 2200 and SD 8 Gen 1 both suffer from efficiency problems because the 4nm Samsung Foundry manufacturing process was a failure (hence Qualcomm going to TSMC for the 8+Gen1). It's good that you like the phone and it works for you but there is without a doubt frame drops and general stutter on the Exynos s22u, if it doesn't bother you then great but it bothers me and obviously other S22u users on this forum.
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Both the Exynos 2200 and SD 8 Gen 1 both suffer from efficiency problems because the 4nm Samsung Foundry manufacturing process was a failure (hence Qualcomm going to TSMC for the 8+Gen1). It's good that you like the phone and it works for you but there is without a doubt frame drops and general stutter on the Exynos s22u, if it doesn't bother you then great but it bothers me and obviously other S22u users on this forum.
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I saw posts and heard people complaining so I don't say it doesnt. Just that it is not general or for all devices. It is not that I am not bothered, I just never encountered lag or stutter on my device and I doubt mine is unique. Maybe I use apps that don't lag, dunno...can you give me some examples of apps where lag is happening? And I don't say about that Reddit thread with scrolling lags because there I have lag too. I am talking about aps or settings on the phone where you do something and it lags. I'll try just to test
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I saw posts and heard people complaining so I don't say it doesnt. Just that it is not general or for all devices. It is not that I am not bothered, I just never encountered lag or stutter on my device and I doubt mine is unique. Maybe I use apps that don't lag, dunno...can you give me some examples of apps where lag is happening? And I don't say about that Reddit thread with scrolling lags because there I have lag too. I am talking about aps or settings on the phone where you do something and it lags. I'll try just to test
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Animations drop frames and yes scrolling on Twitter and Reddit stutter. Like I said, use it beside the Zf4 or even the ZF3 and you can see the difference even scrolling on the apps. FWIW, I had similar on the P6P which basically uses and Exynos. The S22u doesn't perform badly as such, it just doesn't perform like a £1400 phone should.
So, getting back to the topic that was posted, what does any of the above have to do with SMB performance? Numbers were posted via screenshots that are in a foreign language that most don't understand. SMB infers a network copy file operation so a lot to be considered here other than just the phone. As a matter of fact, I would say the phone factors in less that 50% with regards to SMB performance.
I backup and restore a lot of things with network shares. It is a common use case for me. Fact is the SD 8 Gen 1 is almost twice as fast.
Other than that the phone is not bad.
my exinos do its work no lags no loose of frame
twitter and reddit for me are unuseful and banned from all ny phones and tablets only good to waste time i have two s22 exinos and no problems al all
i use the phone don't play with benchmarks
gianoi said:
my exinos do its work no lags no loose of frame
twitter and reddit for me are unuseful and banned from all ny phones and tablets only good to waste time i have two s22 exinos and no problems al all
i use the phone don't play with benchmarks
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I have the same but the point here was performance of network transfers via SMB....I don't use SMB shares so can't check transfer speeds at the moment but I might setup one just for the sake of testing. I find cloud sharing much easier to use for me tho
my files are all on nas and pendrive in Italia cloud is not very good and working is an optional like streaming (dazn docet) only in big cities you can use it and not always
for years I've worked in a public company and backup was something really not in the mind of our central company
da noi si usa dire "chi fa da sé fa per tre"
Exynos I get around 20 MB/s with SMB2
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Exynos I get around 20 MB/s with SMB2
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That is insane. Are you on Beta? Did you change something?
accidently send it twice...
I often have performance problems when using SMB on android/linux.
Try to use SFTP, its much faster.
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That is insane. Are you on Beta? Did you change something?
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I think, my phone just had a lucky day. I've made some testing, and my speed sucks around 1-5 MB/s