many people say that benchmarks arent a good representation of a phones real life performance. i never really believed them, it always sounded like a cop out of them having to admit they bought a crappy device. but the infuse doesnt do well, and it really feels like a snappy phone. my dell streak overclocked to 1.2ghz doesnt feel this fast yet it would out benchmark the infuse. is this because the 2d and 3d performance is greater and its just the ui that feels fast? whats so different that the snapdragons technically have better cpus? seems they really benefited from 2.2 but not the hummingbird so much. i wish quadrant would update to include a newer list of devices to compare to. what are you doing to increase your cpu speeds?
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Once we get rid of rfs filesysyem for ext4, you'll be proud again
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many people say that benchmarks arent a good representation of a phones real life performance. i never really believed them, it always sounded like a cop out of them having to admit they bought a crappy device. but the infuse doesnt do well, and it really feels like a snappy phone. my dell streak overclocked to 1.2ghz doesnt feel this fast yet it would out benchmark the infuse. is this because the 2d and 3d performance is greater and its just the ui that feels fast? whats so different that the snapdragons technically have better cpus? seems they really benefited from 2.2 but not the hummingbird so much. i wish quadrant would update to include a newer list of devices to compare to. what are you doing to increase your cpu speeds?
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What can handle ext4 file system?
the problem with quadrant is it stacks the scores. not a good representation unless you have some algorithm to determine how much each part of the system has to do with the fealing of performance and at what point you have speed that doesnt effect anything because the rest of the signal chain cant keep up. there are benchmarks that attemp to do this like smart benchmark 2011. but i dont feel a composite score is ever a true representation no matter how much math and reasoning you throw at it. look at the individual scores and see where it is lacking, then decide if that area is even important!
other than that the cpu score on quadrant is a mini composite score. it tests many areas. one area is floating point operations. the hummingbird is not that greatwith floating point. this is weighed heavily because there was a time when processors were simpler and floating point takes a lot of power and it was also relevant to engineering which was the primary purpose of computers at one time. it isnt a good benchmark on a modern computer unless you are crunching large sets of numbers. this is partly because it is not relevant to anything else as the processor has a dedicated floating point unit. quallcom has a better fpu. in a way snapdragons cheat at quadrant because they score high in an area that is hardly relevant. the humming bird can process media very well and if you have 2.3 gingerbread and enable stagefreight features you will see the cpu score climb way past the nexus one!
other than that we have embedded os. there isnt much io, the file system score is way too sensitive. put the data on an ext2 loopback or convert to nilfs2 with gingerbread and stagefright enabled and you will see scores that will make the sgs2 look bad but it wont mean much in reality. notice that and 2d graphics are the only areas the droid x wins but it wins by a margin that puts it above the infuse, if we convert to ext4 for fair comparison you will see the infuse with a score that will top the chart.
benchmarks arent useless but it is up to you to collect data, interperate it and decide what it is actually telling you. that is the hard part to convey to people.
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Every device these days has dual core Cortex-A9 based SoCs. And that's every SoC; The Exynos 4210, the Qualcomm S3, the Apple A5, and the Exynos 4212.
Recently Samsung announced a new 4212 based on 32nm architecture that can reach speeds of 1.5 GHz, and has "50% faster 3D graphics performance". The old 4210 in the SGS2 uses 45nm processing, which uses much more power, and has a fairly slow GPU (Mali400MP4) compared to the A5 (SGX543MP2).
See here:
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Going by this chart, a 50% boost should put the new Exynos, rumored to be used in the Nexus Prime, at over 100 FPS off screen.
Since Apple takes excessive care over battery life, we can expect the iPhone 5/4S variant of the A5 to run at 700-800 MHz, underclocked fron the iPad 2.
This would mean the Exynos 4212's CPU runs at almost double the clock speed of the iPhone 5.
So do you think the (estimated) 33% loss in GPU performance in the Nexus Prime with the 4212 would be worth the gain of maybe double the CPU performance compared to the A5?
I think we finally see an A5 killer here.
That is, unless Apple decides to throw away its battery life throne and clock the iPhone 5 at at least 1.2 GHz.
Am I suggesting losing battery life for gains in CPU performance that many users may not notice is worth it? Not necessarily. Just pointing out that Apple may have met its match.
But then again, the A5 is 45nm and the Exynos is 32nm, so power consumption may be similar .
If this is supposed to go in some other section, please move it.
longer battery life + unnoticeable performance gain ftw
Some people think that's more important.
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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Read the image smart one. It is a 1280x720 off screen test for each device in the chart. They are all rendering at the same resolution.
Let's hope they are able to find a working balance between performance and battery life. Because it's the combination that entices users.
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kersh said:
How can you expect a chipset that move a 50% more of 67fps that is 100.5fps on a 800x480p screen be better than other that moves 148 on a 1024x768?
Oh and the iphone screen it is 960, so with less mhz will move the same fps as the ipad.
No, the new gpu of samsung it is still worse than the A5 in equal comparison and after more than 6 months.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Look at this smart guy.
As iPwn already said,you idiotic iFan,they all run the test at the same resolution.Not to mention that the chips in the iPad are larger,which means more transistors are placed in one chip,thus making it more powerful BUT MORE POWER CONSUMING.The variant in the iPhone won't just be underclocked,I can vouch for that.
Next time read before you post sh!t please,will ya?
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Lol this hahaha
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For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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For example the Tegra3, is the MT as powerful? more? less? what are its low points?
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I've been interested in the new generation of phones based on this chip also, from AnandTech's forums found the comparison below. The main selling point of the MT6589 SoC is its low cost and low power, so it may not be the fastest, but not many apps or phones take advantage of all the quad-core power either. It gives the most power/watt, and higher bang for the buck.
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Oh man those numbers are awful! Its even below a dual krait!
TBH I wouldn't use "cheap " to describe it since the few decent phones using the older 6577 are as much as those with better silicon.
Take the zte U with a tegra3, costs the same that a jiayu G3 and that one can barely run GTAVC from what I seen.
Most 6589 models are on presale at almost the same than a nexus 4, too bad that one is still out of stock. Seriously what was google thinking selling a quad krait for 300? Of course demand was going to be high.
Of all the benchmarks listed, Antutu is what I believe the most, Quadrant is the least reliable, and has a history of manufacturers easily gaming it. Not sure about the HTML one, but that's a very specific benchmark too. As for pricing, www.fastcardtech.com seems to have good prices, and the MT6589 ones are pre-selling at $220-$250 shipped to the U.S.
Here's the older MT6577 Dualcore JiaYu G3 running GTAVC, looks ok to me:
http://youtu.be/mxsmAfZ2ZEk
The G3 has 1280x720p resolution, which may be too taxing for the older dualcore. The G2S, released later with qHD display is probably a better match (Around $185-200). MT6589 is supposed to have a much better GPU.
Well in antutu its still below everything but the dual krait by a considerable margin.
At 250 its just 50 bucks less than the nexus 4, so as I said its not cheap, just cheaper.
Beidou has announced a 720p tegra3 phone for just 160, which will he around 200 on sites like fastcard.
As for gta, have you seen how laggy it is? And that with everything toned down at the beginning of the video.
Have in mind that mt6589 is clocked to 1-1.2 GHz while other socs are from 1.4-1.7. Also the firmware is preproduction.
Jiayu has announced S1 with 1.5GHz mt6589 which can match a tegra3 on performance and have lower consumption at the same time.
About the mt6577 on jiayu g3 is the only dual core besides krait that handles an 720p screen. You can't compare its gaming performance with an other dual core running on a device with lower resolution.
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Got a link to that? Because most benchs i seen struggle to get past 10k points, while the tegra3 its just a tad short of 20k.
And the S1 is going to have a 1.5 ghz quad S4, not a mtk, thats why its expensive
http://www.gizmochina.com/2013/01/28/the-review-of-mtk-mt6589-processor/
Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
Keep in mind MediaTek is a Taiwanese company, so the people to get the first & closest look will not be native English speakers. The article provides some interesting tidbits not found in others. Here's an english friendly take:
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Mobiles-and-PDAs/Micromax-A116-Canvas-HD-performance-review-vs_13496.html
Gizchina is also foreign and has some grammar issues but the info is good, gizmochina tends to say whatever it wants to linkbait.
Btw that link was interesting, any idea where I can buy that Canvas phone?
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Yeah next time try to post a link to a non-spam blog that isn't written in engrish
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There will be no next time my friend. I don't have to convince you about anything that you don't want to believe and I don't like eristic behaviours.
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the QHD phone is pretty cool, I run one
update:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, the benchmarks are not useful, samsung tricks them using special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Pretty scummy of Samsung but I'm sure they aren't alone in benchmark cheating.
kersh said:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Yeah. Not a good practice on Samsung's part, but who really cares. I'm not buying this phone because of benchmark scores.
Thats unfortunate.
OMG! Call the phone police!
CPU performance is honestly excellent. The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point. In the situations where we can do cross platform (OS/browser) comparisons, it isn't quite as fast as the iPhone 5s but in some cases it comes close. I should mention that the Note 3 (like many other Android devices - SGS4, HTC One) detects certain benchmarks and ensures CPU frequencies are running at max while running them, rather than relying on the benchmark workload to organically drive DVFS to those frequencies. Max supported CPU frequency is never exceeded in this process, the platform simply primes itself for running those tests as soon as they're detected. The impact is likely small since most of these tests should drive CPU frequencies to their max state regardless (at least on the CPU side), but I'm going to make it a point to call out this behavior whenever I see it from now on.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4
Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?
dkb218 said:
Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?
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The Cliff Notes from what Brian at Anandtech explained is that detecting a benchmark running, certain OEMs prime the CPU to run at max output rather than waiting for the request. As he said, the benchmarks run (or at least should) the CPU at max output anyway. It's the difference between testing a car's 0-60MPH speed from a standing start and rolling start. Except in this case you're talking about milliseconds of having the SoC at max output before a benchmark would have pushed the CPU there on its own.
Tempest in a tea pot.
Guys, it's only benchmarks.
If you consider it cheating, than I'm sure Samsung won't be alone doing this (as mentioned in Anandtech review).
Who knows even Apple might also did this.
Benchmark performance only amaze techgeek persons. Most people won't care or even read about it.
I'm more concerned about the performance issues mentioned in ars technica review such as Gallery app.
Does anyone else who already got their phone experienced the same issue?
I stopped believing in benchmarks a long time ago. IMO, they really only serve to give you a general idea of how units of similar hardware/setup might perform. I don't believe there's any true "real world" performance tests that can be done. In the end, only you can decide if something's gonna fit your needs by actually physically messing around with it...
Yeah, who cares about benchmarks. Samsung isn't making the phone perform at some magical speed. The phone is fully capable of performing at the level Samsung 'tricks' the benchmarks into believing. It's just that, the e-peen contests people get from showing off their benchmarks don't equate to real world performance.
Who really cares about benchmarks....really?
wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy
weirdingway said:
wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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Or car manufactures with car consumption They are all "cheating" for years and you can't do a shi*** and we still going to buy the car...
With "cheating" or not Note 3 is the best god damn phone on the market.
redpill2016 said:
It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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it would have been ok if they applied the same method to the other phones
Benchmarks are for cheerleaders.
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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
Im sure Sammy isnt the only one , but its a slippery slope. What I dont want to see is them capping processing power to proclaim longer battery life while still advertising or benchmarking a full capacity CPU/GPU.
This is not worst than phone manufacturers advertising idle battery time as 800-1000 hours or some other hogwash number. They run those battery tests in their labs in unrealistic conditions that does not resemble real life usage even remotely just to pump up the score. That, in my opinion, is more "cheating" to the consumer than propping the CPU before a benchmark.
What I get from this:
If we rename our favorite apps to "Geekbench" we'll get better performance?
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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
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Yes and no. And it depends on whether the benchmark is an emulator (talking directly to the h/w) or using the phone's native code and drivers. Since we're on car analogies it's more like bench horsepower (talking directly to the h/w) and horsepower to the wheels (using native code). There are a ton of devices out there that get fantastic benchmarks (they should if they use the same SoC) but crater based on the OEM doing a ****ty job with s/w and drivers.
And if you look at S-800 over S-600 the worst S-800 benchmark is light years ahead of the best S-600. It still comes down to how a device does the things that you ask it to based on your unique apps and settings configuration. I guarantee you my N3 running 113 apps with 9 syncs going all the time isn't going to "feel" as fast as someone else's running "lean" to maximize performance.
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Cube U35GT2 Review
When I found myself looking for a compact tablet I found a number of potential puchases in the 7 inch category before I ran across the 7.85” Cube U35GT2. I looked at the specs and couldn't believe the price. This tablet was an obvious iPad mini clone but had very similar hardware to my Pipo M9, which I still think is a great tablet. For $150 the Cube U35GT2 seemed like a real bargain. So does it's real world performance live up to it's appearance on paper. Let's have a look.
Spec overview
7.85 1024 x 768 IPS screen
Rockchip RK3188 processor with Mali 400MP4 GPU
2GB RAM
16GB storage with expansion slot
4000 mAh battery
Display
The U35GT2 has a 7.85 inch 1024 x 768 IPS display. The screen is actually quite good all things considered. Viewing angles are descent and it's fairly responsive. Anything more for resolution and I think it would have been too much of a draw on the battery and the GPU would start to struggle.
Software
The tablet comes with Android 4.1 and has been left pretty much as a stock experience. The included launcher isn't too bad and I actually used it instead of replacing it with something from the play store, which is rare for me. It does show a bit of sticking and lag but it's not enough to really complain about. The only issue I found with the ROM is occassionally everything would shift over to the left of the screen. It would sort itself out through normal use, but the bottom line is, it's not suppose to do that.
WiFi
Every device has it's Achilles heal and the WiFi is the Cube U35GT2 's weak spot. The WiFi doesn't suffer from dropouts but is fairly weak.
I tested the 2.4 Ghz WiFi by taking a reading right by the router. I took a second at the furthest point on the upstairs level, and a 3rd at the furthest point in the basement.
- 21 mbps at the router
-2 mbps upstairs level
- 2 mbps basement level
Speaker
The loudspeaker was ok but fairly quiet and thin sounding. It didn't sound bad, it just wasn't very full sounding. If the tablet is in close proximity, I would say it would be loud enough for any application. If you introduce distance, or a lot of background noise you could start to have issues.
Video Playback
I tested the tablets video capabilities using VLC player with a variety of movies, and by using HD YouTube clips, all of which worked flawlessly. The Mali 400MP4 handled itself very well but anything more than 720p would likely create problems.
Web browsing
I used both Maxthon and Dolphin browser to test the web browsing. There were no surprises here as the RK3188 worked just as well here as it does in my 10.1” Pipo M9. The only issues I encountered were once again related to weak WiFi, in the form of slow load times.
Cameras
Cameras in mid to low range tablets are usually a pretty sad affair, and the Cube U35GT2 is no exception. While they weren't as bad as I thought they would be, I wouldn't rely on these cameras to take pics that I would want to keep or show off.
Benchmarks
For tech that is about a year old the scores are still very acceptable. They are no longer anywhere near the upper echelon, but the soon to be released Rochchip RK3288 will see that rectified.
Antutu=19,325
Nenamark 2=63 fps
CPU Prime=2252
Vellamo
HTML 5=1524
Metal=519
Battery
The battery in the Cube U35GT2 does ok, but can easily be run down with heavy use.
I tested the battery by playing movies on it until the battery was under 10%. The on screen time was about 5.5 hours .
Gaming
Less intensive, basic video games like Flappy Bird, Subway Surfers, etc... run with no problems at all. Dead Trigger 2 and Asphalt 8 defaulted to mid range settings due to the Mali 400. At those settings the games ran fine with minimum lag in responsivness. The Mali 400 is certainly not a high end GPU and is much better suited for simple games. I'm glad to see Mediatek and Rockchip putting more of an emphasis on their GPU's in their upcoming products.
Conclusion
This iPad mini wannabe will surprise a lot of people,especially when you take into consideration that it only costs $150. Rockchip are not well known in North America, but after using their processors I can honestly say that I would feel cheated paying twice as much for big name tablets. The Cube U35GT2 has a nice thin feel to it, and is confortable to hold onto even for long periods of time. The software is solid even though it is dated. If you feel you need to update it, there are a few 4.2.2 ROM's available as it has some recognition and support.
Performance as a whole is very good as long as you don't stray too far away from your router.
I've never minded saving some money and still getting a product that works the way I need it to.
Thanks Cube.
Check out my full video review.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Yp_w8bqgys
Hello!
I got my eyes on this phone for a while now, and I'm finally set to buy it.
I have been using Xperia XZ for two years and I love it, but the throttling is very bad on this phone.
I read that the XZ Premium does not have any throttling whatsoever. I couldn't find any video or picture of users using a Throttling Test App.
So what I want is someone who has a XZ Premium (not rooted) to download the CPU Throttling Test and take a snapshot or a video of the screen after 10~15 minutes of the test.
That would help me decide to buy it on the spot.
Thank you very much!
It seems it does throttle, with the CPU speed on the higher cores dropping from 2.36GHz to 2GHz. This is with a year old XZP, tested with charger off, and a thick Spigen case on.
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However, in terms of actual every day use, I don't see any slow down at all, even with gaming. Is there a reason why you need a phone that doesn't throttle?
Mostly just for everyday gaming like MOBAs.
But, throttling from 2.3 to 2.0 is almost nothing (I think?)
The Xperia XZ goes from 2.1 to 1.1. That's a lot and the phone lags, the fps on games gets really low, and gets way to hot to handle on a 25 min. MOBA game.
That looked pretty good! I Think I will get this phone!
Thank you for your response!
There are also more results on youtube regarding the cpu throttling for sd845 phones.
Kreens said:
Hello!
I got my eyes on this phone for a while now, and I'm finally set to buy it.
I have been using Xperia XZ for two years and I love it, but the throttling is very bad on this phone.
I read that the XZ Premium does not have any throttling whatsoever. I couldn't find any video or picture of users using a Throttling Test App.
So what I want is someone who has a XZ Premium (not rooted) to download the CPU Throttling Test and take a snapshot or a video of the screen after 10~15 minutes of the test.
That would help me decide to buy it on the spot.
Thank you very much!
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dude I dont trust these softwares that check cpu throtteling,
all I know is real action, if I can feel a stutter then I call that cpu throtteling like crazy
but this phone man, its crazy fast, no lags, crazy smooth I mean I dont ever think of buying a newer phone after this, its just mad in terms of speed it can still beat S9's and Note 9's and oneplus's
and its a year old with me.
keep in mind, that is on the screen resolution out of the box, if you wanna do like me (who really loves CRISP quality) and use the "4k all the time" mod, it will not feel as smooth as on 1080p but to me its really worth it because it still doesnt lag at least not something to be conciderablly noticeable, but if youre not obsessed with 4k screens and keep it on 1080, I dont think there is a better device than this one, not even the ones with snapdragon 845 even if there is a faster phone, that extra speed wouldnt make a huge difference in my opinion..
umbra-xda said:
There are also more results on youtube regarding the cpu throttling for sd845 phones.
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HI! This phone (XZ Premium) is SD835 friend.
madshark2009 said:
dude I dont trust these softwares that check cpu throtteling,
all I know is real action, if I can feel a stutter then I call that cpu throtteling like crazy
but this phone man, its crazy fast, no lags, crazy smooth I mean I dont ever think of buying a newer phone after this, its just mad in terms of speed it can still beat S9's and Note 9's and oneplus's
and its a year old with me.
keep in mind, that is on the screen resolution out of the box, if you wanna do like me (who really loves CRISP quality) and use the "4k all the time" mod, it will not feel as smooth as on 1080p but to me its really worth it because it still doesnt lag at least not something to be conciderablly noticeable, but if youre not obsessed with 4k screens and keep it on 1080, I dont think there is a better device than this one, not even the ones with snapdragon 845 even if there is a faster phone, that extra speed wouldnt make a huge difference in my opinion..
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I feel you! That's why I feel in love with this phone. I see that almost nobody complains about speed, lag or stuttering. I already ordered one! I can't wait to get my hands on it!
Kreens said:
I feel you! That's why I feel in love with this phone. I see that almost nobody complains about speed, lag or stuttering. I already ordered one! I can't wait to get my hands on it!
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congrats bro! enjoy your not toy