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Moving from Atrix 4G

Hi guys, i am thinking of moving across from my Atrix 4G to the Infuse and was hoping to get some questions asnwered without trolling through here for hours.
I like my Atrix overall as a phone, but the locked bootloader is putting a dampener on my wishes to flash true ROMS. So, can you answer a few question for me please?
1. How do you find the quality of the phone overall?
2. What is battery life like?
3. Is it good performance wise (does the extra clock speed make eup for the older gen processor) ?
4. Are the ROMS available supported well with updates and feature adding?

ricko2169 said:
Hi guys, i am thinking of moving across from my Atrix 4G to the Inspire and was hoping to get some questions asnwered without trolling through here for hours.
I like my Atrix overall as a phone, but the locked bootloader is putting a dampener on my wishes to flash true ROMS. So, can you answer a few question for me please?
1. How do you find the quality of the phone overall?
2. What is battery life like?
3. Is it good performance wise (does the extra clock speed make eup for the older gen processor) ?
4. Are the ROMS available supported well with updates and feature adding?
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well it is not an arm a9 or dual core but it runs better than the other hummingbird phones due to extra ram and a quality job on the firmware.
build quality is good, parts fit much tighter than motorola and internals look more professional than htc but it feels kinda flimsy, not as rugged as the captivate was. it is just too large, too thin, and the plastic is too light and not rigid enough, this construction was great for a smaller phone like the galaxy s but is questionable on a phone this big and thin. that said it is not likely to break, i have dropped mine a few times i just wish it had a metal frame in there.
the hummingbird is very fast, it wont always beat the tegra but on some benchmarks it can get better frame rates especially with kernel mods. my 3d scores in antutu on my capivate were double what any stock phone had on the list when i was using a custom kernel. on the other hand the hummingbird is not well supported by the game develpoers probably because of lower popularity in america and because the tegra represents the next generation and the snapdragon is more popular and more clockable, future snapdragons will see 1.4ghz and up on the same core they are currently using.
so since it doesnt have the gaming dev it deserves (can be helped with chainfire 3d) the advantage of the hummingbird comes down to media playback. the hummingbird can playback H.264 mkv files at a higher class than the tegra, it is only beat by apples a5 in the ipad2 and the orion chip in the sgs2 with video playback. when gingerbread is available it will play those files even better.
so maybe it isnt as fast as the tegra2, but it is faster(slightly) in specific areas. im not saying one or the other is better but dont look at the hummingbird as an old processor just yet. other than that it has good battery life and the dev section is in it's infancy. when there is a kernel dev things will get alot better, if you want to help us get a kernel dev then donate to netarchy in the donations thread. for now the roms are good quality, the devs that are here are good with giving people what they want and at modding apps.

ricko2169 said:
Hi guys, i am thinking of moving across from my Atrix 4G to the Inspire and was hoping to get some questions asnwered without trolling through here for hours.
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You are on the Infuse 4g not Inspire.
But anyway. We have gray ROMs and bettery battery, my 2 friend I let them.play with my infuse, they both have atrix , not they are both selling it on craiflist, even though this is just single core they told me they can see no difference, but me I don't know anything about the atrix because I don't have one, but most of the things I heard that atrix has bad battery and heat issues.
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rjan22 said:
You are on the Infuse 4g not Inspire
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Thanks, fixed that. Im in the correct forum, just wrote the wrong phone down.
I have no heat issues, and great battery life with my Atrix, its only lack of bootloader access that is putting me off.

I had the Atrix before this phone.....I'm just saying the difference is like STONE to PILLOW. Literally... TouchWiz in camperason to Moto Blur is 10X better. Plus in less then a month this phone is probably going to have some awesome ROMs...true ROMs at that. Now if you use the laptop dock and other Atrix accessories all the time dont change its not worth the loss of $500+. Now Atrix fans might argue that it has dual cores... well the Atrix might have that, but its hardly noticeable. If you want a all around better phone the Infuse is the phone for you.

dayton1202 said:
I had the Atrix before this phone.....I'm just saying the difference is like STONE to PILLOW. Literally... TouchWiz in camperason to Moto Blur is 10X better. Plus in less then a month this phone is probably going to have some awesome ROMs...true ROMs at that. Now if you use the laptop dock and other Atrix accessories all the time dont change its not worth the loss of $500+. Now Atrix fans might argue that it has dual cores... well the Atrix might have that, but its hardly noticeable. If you want a all around better phone the Infuse is the phone for you.
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I agree with everyone and motorola and most reviewers agree. Atrix has the processor, but motorblur and the implementation of android on motorola just blows.

dayton1202 said:
I had the Atrix before this phone.....I'm just saying the difference is like STONE to PILLOW. Literally... TouchWiz in camperason to Moto Blur is 10X better. Plus in less then a month this phone is probably going to have some awesome ROMs...true ROMs at that. Now if you use the laptop dock and other Atrix accessories all the time dont change its not worth the loss of $500+. Now Atrix fans might argue that it has dual cores... well the Atrix might have that, but its hardly noticeable. If you want a all around better phone the Infuse is the phone for you.
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I hear ya, though it would be likely even touch wiz would go as I am yet to find a phone companies launcher that meets my needs. I must say though the new version of Motoblur in the upcoming GB update looks to be a huge improvement.
Things like notification power settings and custom kernels are attractive to me and frankly don't look like a reality on the Atrix any time soon (second init seems like a lot of mucking around).
Also 4.5 inches of OLED goodness is attractive.

I moved from the Atrix to the Infuse last weekend. I can honestly say I'm 100% happy and won't go back to the Atrix. I had done my research prior to swapping them out so the first thing I did was installed the 1.2 infused rom. This is EXACTLY what I was hoping to get out of a rom with the Atrix, but it just wasn't happening. In real world performance, you really can't tell that the processors are different. I'm a tech nerd so I figured "OMG I can't go back to a single core." I was wrong. I haven't found a single thing about the Infuse that I would want to be more like the Atrix.
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Performance differences are non-existant in every day use. The screen is AMAZING to look at. I can't stop looking.
edit: to answer your questions
1. Quality feels solid. Lighter materials don't always mean lesser quality.
2. Battery life is fine. As long as you don't expect to stream pandora over 3g/4g for 12 hours on battery, the phone lasts all day.
3. Performance is even better than anticipated.
4. Infused ROM has been awesome.

ricko2169 said:
I hear ya, though it would be likely even touch wiz would go as I am yet to find a phone companies launcher that meets my needs. I must say though the new version of Motoblur in the upcoming GB update looks to be a huge improvement.
Things like notification power settings and custom kernels are attractive to me and frankly don't look like a reality on the Atrix any time soon (second init seems like a lot of mucking around).
Also 4.5 inches of OLED goodness is attractive.
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It's. Amoled Plus. Love saying that, but it only starts there.
Why would you want a dualcore when you can have a single core that don't lag at all and doesn't drain your battery that much.
I even use this keyboard (picture below) so I don't need to stretch my thumbs to reach the middle keys lol
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rjan22 said:
It's. Amoled Plus. Love saying that, but it only starts there.
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It's even better, it's super amoled plus

Confirmed: iPad 3 has a 2048x1536 Retina Display

http://www.macrumors.com/

This is an ASUS Transformer Prime forum. Please do not post about iPads. We bought TFP's because we (or at least I,) don't care to hear about Apple constantly.

Wow, that is an insane res...
I tend to really Really dislike apple, for a multitude of reasons, but it becomes harder and harder to cling to my ways sometimes...
I mean I totally prefer everything about Android, except the fact that what makes it great is also one of its biggest challenges. Segmentation.
I thought the TFP would be the answer to the Ipad2, and possibly be able to hang with the ipad3 in terms of specs...but we all know how that is going.
Still going strong with android, still hating on apple (and admitting it)....still a closet case for their hardware and build quality.

Competition is a good thing. I posted this for all of those ATP would be owners like myself on their 3+ ATP system in pursuit of a working Prime. Instead of complaining about the ATP and cluttering up the forum, I have posted a viable solution, soon to be announced then released.
There is light at the end of the tunnel.......................trust me

taylorgrandorf said:
This is an ASUS Transformer Prime forum. Please do not post about iPads. We bought TFP's because we (or at least I,) don't care to hear about Apple constantly.
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I don't know, its interesting to hear what the competition has to offer, especially when the prime is littered with so many bugs that Asus refuses to fix, but would rather release a "fixed" version as a new model.

Even the fixed model's(TF700t) resolution pales in comparison. Back to the drawing board Asus.

AndroidPhanboy said:
I don't know, its interesting to hear what the competition has to offer especially, especially when the prime is littered with so many bugs that Asus refuses to fix, but would rather release a "fixed" version as a new model.
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My TFP is perfect, no issues here. I'm not posting constant Android news in iPad forums.

So go get an ipad3 and bounce from these forums.
COOL STORY BRO
(yeah i said it)

"A UNHAPPY owner of a 32GB Grey Asus TF201 Transformer Prime & Dock full of pre-production "Out of the box" problems returned on 2/6/12 for a full refund"
If you do not have one why are you here?
Should be interesting to see it stream video at that resolution.

taylorgrandorf said:
My TFP is perfect, no issues here. I'm not posting constant Android news in iPad forums.
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Guess your one of the lucky ones, I went through 5 primes until I gave up. I frequent these forums but never bothered posting since most of my problems were already listed, especially by users like Skygunner here.

David522d said:
So go get an ipad3 and bounce from these forums.
COOL STORY BRO
(yeah i said it)
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No need to be rude. You should have posted this pic with your post
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can we erase this post admin....
....not because we hate apple but rather because this is the Asus TF forum.

AndroidPhanboy said:
Guess your one of the lucky ones, I went through 5 primes until I gave up. I frequent these forums but never bothered posting since most of my problems were already listed, especially by users like Skygunner here.
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I'm posting an alternative to all the users constantly cluttering up these forums with negative Prime experiences. Most of you guys constantly complain about users with real problems....well here you go. It's not my fault that Apple just did a backflip over Asus.

Until Apple changes iOS.. does it really matter what the resolution is? Ironically, I can say the same about Android.. until we see "apps" to actually take advantage of the display/resolution... WHO CARES??
Oh yea, I guess it does matter to those who like to watch movies....

I dont believe it.......... They gonna run it with a dual core? I dont think so
Remember the iPhone5 with LTE and NFC and all the other BS... Guess what none happened not one thing nada...... Rumor got started from some Wall St butthole right... Gonna drive the price of Apple through the roof and bamm drop like rock and cash in on the poor sucker fanboys

JMQUINT00 said:
....not because we hate apple but rather because this is the Asus TF forum.
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True, but what better place to discuss the direct competition? Asus is coming out with a prime that runs at 1920 by 1200 if I am not mistaken, and Apple is coming out with an iPad that runs at 2043 by 1536.
Also for the previous commentor who mentioned videos, it doesn't matter as nobody would be watching content at that resolution anyways, just because the prime runs at 1920 by 1200 will you be upscaling your video to that resolution? if so thats kind of idiotic
It will definitely glide through 1080p videos though, which is what today's standard is after all.

AndroidPhanboy said:
Also for the previous commentor who mentioned videos, it doesn't matter as nobody would be watching content at that resolution anyways, just because the prime runs at 1920 by 1200 will you be upscaling your video to that resolution? if so thats kind of idiotic
It will definitely glide through 1080p videos though, which is what today's standard is after all.
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Well... 1920 X 1200 is the 1080p resolution...
Thus the benefit for those who like to watch movies.....

ilostmypistons said:
I dont believe it.......... They gonna run it with a dual core? I dont think so
Remember the iPhone5 with LTE and NFC and all the other BS... Guess what none happened not one thing nada...... Rumor got started from some Wall St butthole right... Gonna drive the price of Apple through the roof and bamm drop like rock and cash in on the poor sucker fanboys
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An A6 is in the works which is believed to be a quad core, why is it impossible for Apple to have a quad core cpu when nVidia has tegra 3? Does nvidia know some magic voodoo the rest of the tech companies are not aware of?
Also I won't lie everybody was fooled by the iPhone 5 rumors, but again that's because they believed Apple would go out of their cycle of new design then S model. With the iPad its completely different, and this is hardware were talking about, a leaked SCREEN, a physical object that is in the hands of Macrumors. So its just as legit as when the iPhone 4 was leaked by Gizmodo. Unless someone out there is making a screen for fun that is running at the rumored res of the iPad 3, I think its fair to say this is legit.

skygunner27 said:
I'm posting an alternative to all the users constantly cluttering up these forums with negative Prime experiences. Most of you guys constantly complain about users with real problems....well here you go. It's not my fault that Apple just did a backflip over Asus.
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Asus transformer prime forum talk about the God damn device or leave you're just as bad as the others in this forum

shinzz said:
Well... 1920 X 1200 is the 1080p resolution...
Thus the benefit for those who like to watch movies.....
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Um, are you sure you have your facts straight? do you even know what 1080p is? 1080p is a resolution that is defined as 1920 by 1080, the prime is running at 1920 by 1200 which is higher than that of 1080p, albeit but not that much. Also 1080p is 16:9 while 1920 b 1200 is 16:10, so expect some pretty black bars like what Apple owners have been seeing.

[Leak/Info] SGS 3 Video Teaser/Exynos 4 Quad

Video Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NnVU8R6mAU
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-57...-galaxy-s-phone/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title
QuadCore it is...
That next Galaxy phone would likely be the Galaxy S3.
Other Exynos 4 Quad highlights that presage Galaxy S3 features:
•Full-speed video: uses HD 30 frame per second video hardware codec engine for 1080p video recording and play-back; also, includes an embedded image signal processor interface for a high-quality camera and an HDMI 1.4 interface.
•Speed jump: Owing to its 32-nanometer tech, the Exynos 4 Quad has "two times the processing capability over the 45-[nanometer] process based Exynos 4 Dual while consuming 20-percent less power," Samsung said.
•Ready to plug into new phones: Exynos 4 Quad is "pin-to-pin compatible" with the Exynos 4 Dual, allowing smartphone and tablet suppliers to adopt the new solution without additional engineering or design efforts.
•Based on ARM Cortex A9 design: Based on the current Cortex A9 tech from ARM. The latest and greatest ARM tech is called Cortex A15 but those chips won't emerge as commercial products for a while yet.
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hmmm

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That doesn't look good at all if it's true.
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LOL! It does look like a clunky piece of junk, prototype or not. Samsung would be making a bad design move if they took a leap backwards...the phone should be thinner or more sleek, not thicker and like box.
I don't think this is legit (hopefully).

of course it looks bad
just judge it on the inside.
a lot of times they put hardware of test models and dev kits in older phone outerware (frankensteins) or test molds. its perfectly normal for them to test them this way and make incremental changes in hardware and software. for most companies (not apple) form factor is one of the last things that are done, shape, mold, metal etc are done last once they have the final inner hardware dimensions.
thats not to say they dont have very specific designs and mockups already with final product dimensions (they do this early, think case leaks), they just have to worry about phone assembly and part availability.
although i bet this was an early one because if theyre using ceramics in their final design, im sure they did their homework with its effects on thermals and signal.

Samsung has been using generic enclosures for the testing of phones lately.
Some folks think this is actually the Galaxy "M" and others think it could be the "GS-III".

The specs are underwhelming if this is true. Same screen as the Galaxy Nexus. Same camera. Same GPU. Much better CPU but not a quad 1.8 or 2.0 either. I think the international Galaxy Note is still looking like the next logical step for me.

Yeah I'm positive its a prototype. On a side note, Samsung never disappoints.
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I am pretty sure that's not SIII. And Samsung hasn't disappointed me yet so lets see how it will be 2 more weeks!

Yeah, that's probably just a testing case... wanting to make sure the insides work correctly before fine tuning them to work in a more appealing and thin enclosure.

Interesting. I know Bell already has the S3. I know someone pretty "high up" there and has used one already. obviously its in testing mode but from what he told me, as soon as it comes out he will definately be getting one. And I garantee it will be quad core (he won't tell me anything else.. the fact that he told me they have them was already saying too much)

g2tegg said:
Interesting. I know Bell already has the S3. I know someone pretty "high up" there and has used one already. obviously its in testing mode but from what he told me, as soon as it comes out he will definately be getting one. And I garantee it will be quad core (he won't tell me anything else.. the fact that he told me they have them was already saying too much)
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OMG are you serious...
I just switched from Bell to Rogers just for the SR and then Bell gets the S3
Hopefully this will be a GNote scenario where all the major carriers get the phone.
But anyways thats exciting to hear about. Im actually starting to believe these May 22nd rumors...

anyhow rogers gets the s3, my skyrocket is gonna magically "break.". I'll warranty it for an account credit and get the s3 through Rogers Rententions

I really hope they can retain the exynos chipset for all markets. The fragmentation due to using 3 different chipsets in the GSII for 4g receptivity was a real headache for development and users alike. IMO, all new gsm phones should be penta-band. nexus phones are setting a good example.

Saw that video on Engadget the other day. I'll just post the updated part from it:
Did the Samsung Galaxy S III just appear in Vietnam? (video) (updated with statement)
Update: It looks our source link has disappeared and the video has now gone private. Fortunately, we grabbed our own copy of the video and you can find it below.
Update 2: We reached out to Samsung for a comment, and here's the not-so-surprising response:
"We will be able to tell you more at the 2012 Samsung Mobile Unpacked."​
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Also, this:
Amazon Germany weighs in on Samsung Galaxy S III with 4.7-inch screen and 12 megapixel camera
May 3rd is no doubt going to be a monumental day for Samsung, but April 20th is certainly turning out to be quite memorable for potential specs of the Galaxy S III. Not only did we happen to come across a purported leak of the device itself, which suggested the handset would pack a 4.6-inch display and an 8 megapixel camera, but now a placeholder has popped up on Amazon's German site with a few contrasting specifications -- most notably, a 4.7-inch screen and a 12 megapixel camera. We're still a bit skeptical, because this is far from official, but the fact that the smartphone is shipped and sold by Amazon itself adds a wee bit of credence to the product listing. Only time will tell which set of specs -- if any -- are the correct ones, but the build-up to the Galaxy S III just got a whole lot more interesting.
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Thanks for the update. I put it in the op
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Looking at the blanketed device in the image above, it’s clearly obvious that all attempts to shroud the device in secrecy has ultimately succeeded. The phone really looks nothing like the “leaks” we’ve already seen, and it appears that the reports are true that Samsung has concealed the test devices in a dummy case. Under that blue blanket of mystery you can tell that the device will have a curved screen and corners much like the Galaxy Nexus but that is about all that can be deciphered. It really looks like Samsung may actually successfully keep this thing under “wraps” until the 3rd of next month.
http://www.talkandroid.com/

musa13 said:
Looking at the blanketed device in the image above, it’s clearly obvious that all attempts to shroud the device in secrecy has ultimately succeeded. The phone really looks nothing like the “leaks” we’ve already seen, and it appears that the reports are true that Samsung has concealed the test devices in a dummy case. Under that blue blanket of mystery you can tell that the device will have a curved screen and corners much like the Galaxy Nexus but that is about all that can be deciphered. It really looks like Samsung may actually successfully keep this thing under “wraps” until the 3rd of next month.
http://www.talkandroid.com/
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Unless one of the sgs3 developers leaves his test phone at a bar...
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57...countdown-clock/?part=rss&subj=news&tag=title
Tick..Tock...Tick...Tock...
Samsung is hoping to generate some consumer buzz for its Galaxy S 3, the next version of its Android-based line of smartphones, with a countdown clock.
The company's mobile division kicked off the effort this morning by tweeting the cryptic message, "Destination: tgeltaayehxnx" -- apparently an anagram for "The next Galaxy."
The Verge discovered that tgeltaayehxnx is also a Web site that features a countdown clock and the message that "You can take the next step in..." (about 16 hours as of this writing -- Monday morning).
Samsung has revealed very little about the new smartphone, other than its May 3 launch. However, a source has told CNET sister site Crave UK that the new device will be a relatively minor upgrade over the Galaxy S2. No specs were revealed, but he said it should be similar to the HTC One X,which has a 1.5GHz quad-core chip with 1GB of RAM and a 4.7-inch screen.

Really not liking this larger screen deal. I believe 4-4.2 inch screen was the sweet spot...

Looks like they added a teaser video
..Samsung sure knows how to advertise
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Are there any more "Transformers" coming out soon?

This has been out a good six months now and I don't see an upgrade anywhere.
I know there are some Windows RT options out but I don't know if I want to jump into that yet. I can't find any news of any new Android models coming out.
I love this form factor, this 10" screen netbook/tablet hybrid is perfect for me. I was hoping someone would come out with one in 2013.

I read they are coming out with a 7" tab.
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I read they are coming out with a 7" tab.
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That's all I came across too.
I was hoping someone else like Samsung or Lenovo would come out with one of these hybrids.

wifesabitch said:
That's all I came across too.
I was hoping someone else like Samsung or Lenovo would come out with one of these hybrids.
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I think the tf700 is still one of the best devices out there. I'd be the best if I had 2 gigs of ram, so that's the only downside with respect to future devices.
The Tegra3 does what you want perfectly. And unless you're a mobile gamer, I don't think it'll get outdated that soon either.
I think there's still way more possible optimisation for Tegra 3 before manufacturers actually need to implement a new processor type.

News in the Netherlands: the VivoTab Smart is coming out soon, priced at €499 for the tablet only. The casing provides both a dock and a stand, but it carries no additional battery. Running time, according to ASUS, will be 9.5 hours.
Judging from them abandoning their dock&battery design, it may seem like the Transformer line-up may have come to a stall... Pure speculation, but nothing else to go on at this moment in time.

No battery in the dock? Has Asus lost its mind? Well, might as well get a Samsung, Acer or Lenovo with a third party keyboard dock, then. Cheaper, too....

ShadowLea said:
No battery in the dock? Has Asus lost its mind? Well, might as well get a Samsung, Acer or Lenovo with a third party keyboard dock, then. Cheaper, too....
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Yup, the one plain advantage of an ASUS Transformer over all the other options with a (3rd party) keyboard has gone down the drain. I seriously hope they open their eyes before this thing gets through, and get back to updating the TF line with a new sibling in the future, but somehow, that hope has been dwindling the past few months... Oh well, the 700 will last for a while to come. I'll probably get me a laptop with a hydrogen fuel cell by then, or maybe date you and hook it up to your nuclear underwear. Or jacket, or whatever i was.
I'm daydreaming about nuclear knickers again, or maybe even nuclear suspenders....
<ring goes the phone, signaling another patient consult coming in, starts swinging fist>DAMN YOU, REALITY!<starts sobbing quietly>

MartyHulskemper said:
Yup, the one plain advantage of an ASUS Transformer over all the other options with a (3rd party) keyboard has gone down the drain. I seriously hope they open their eyes before this thing gets through, and get back to updating the TF line with a new sibling in the future, but somehow, that hope has been dwindling the past few months... Oh well, the 700 will last for a while to come. I'll probably get me a laptop with a hydrogen fuel cell by then, or maybe date you and hook it up to your nuclear underwear. Or jacket, or whatever i was.
I'm daydreaming about nuclear knickers again, or maybe even nuclear suspenders....
<ring goes the phone, signaling another patient consult coming in, starts swinging fist>DAMN YOU, REALITY!<starts sobbing quietly>
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No, it's in my coat. Sorry
That would actually be pretty awesome, if you could carry a powersource in your coat lining... Multiple uses, too: it can keep you warm, power all your devices...
Reality bites, doesn't it?

If they could address the internal flash deficiency, TF700 would get a new lease on life. I was on the fence, waiting for N10, but it seems to be a dud. Hoping some new devices would be announced @ CES.
Haswell is coming. Exynos is going strong. Future is bright, but as always, she aint happening fast nuff.
So for now I am sticking with my Tf101.

I bet there are more Transformers coming out but not with the Tegra3.
Anandtech's last 2 articles "The ARM vs x86 Wars Have Begun: In-Depth Power Analysis of Atom, Krait & Cortex A15" and "Samsung ATIV Tab Review: Qualcomm's First Windows RT Tablet" really say it all.

Next transformer won't come out until tegra 4 is ready. Asus already released 3 tegra 3 tablets. Tf 201/300/700.

This http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/transformerBook.htm is what I have been waiting for. I also would hope that Asus takes some of the design factors from the Transformer Book and intergrate it into the next Android Transformer such as the HDD and backlight keyboard in the dock.

RKnight1983 said:
I also would hope that Asus takes some of the design factors from the Transformer Book and intergrate it into the next Android Transformer such as the HDD and backlight keyboard in the dock.
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A mechanical hard disk? In 2013? In a portable device? Really?

_that said:
A mechanical hard disk? In 2013? In a portable device? Really?
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How to break your harddrive in a week, step one: Jiggle it. He probably doesn't know HDD's are glorified LP's...

RKnight1983 said:
This http://www.asus.com/vivo/en/transformerBook.htm is what I have been waiting for...
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I get a kick out of the upgrade incursions
Now tablets are headed back to notebook sizes and phones are heading towards minitablets in size.
Remember how fascinating the smallness of the phones used to be?

No new transformer? Orly?
Hate to be contrary, but it turns out there is a new Transformer on the horizon. According to Techradar Asus might be planning another 10.1", Tegra 3, 1gb of ram tablet running JB. Apparently it's targeted at the enterprise market.
I can't link to the article with my lurk more/post less track record, but if you add this to techradar.com it'll get you there:
/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/new-asus-10-inch-tablet-breaks-cover-in-time-for-ces-2013-1122552
It sounds like a 200/300/700 copypasta.
Without switching SoCs it seems to me Asus has done everything they can do with this form factor running Android, save maybe throwing in an extra gig of ram like they've been doing with RT slabs. Before anything big hits the market they're probably going to pick up Tegra 4 or switch to S4 pros, if you ask me.e.

B00T_Sp0rk said:
Hate to be contrary, but it turns out there is a new Transformer on the horizon.
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http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...let-breaks-cover-in-time-for-ces-2013-1122552
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Isn't this the ME301T?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2082171

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A mechanical hard disk? In 2013? In a portable device? Really?
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It's just for storage it looks like because the tab itself has 128gb ssd. But you can always remove the mechanical drive and put in a ssd I'm sure. But no battery in the dock because of the fact that there is a hd and since it's regular laptop specs don't think you could be a big enough battery in there anyway lol.
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It's just for storage it looks like because the tab itself has 128gb ssd. But you can always remove the mechanical drive and put in a ssd I'm sure. But no battery in the dock because of the fact that there is a hd and since it's regular laptop specs don't think you could be a big enough battery in there anyway lol.
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My bad the is a battery in the dock also nice :laugh:
Battery
38Whr (Pad), 23Whr (Dock)

milkk said:
It's just for storage it looks like because the tab itself has 128gb ssd. But you can always remove the mechanical drive and put in a ssd I'm sure. [...]
My bad the is a battery in the dock also nice :laugh:
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38Whr (Pad), 23Whr (Dock)
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Yup, the tablet has a 128 GB SSD, and the dock carries a 500 GB mobile HDD. These can take a jiggle or two, although, obviously, you shouldn't do a HALO with it.
Being a enthusiast consumer, if the price isn;t too damn high, I might even buy one. There's Windows 9 (pro?) on there, and not the severely handicapped Windows 8 RT.

I really like my TF700, improvements would be imho:
- Fix flash issue (doh)
- 2 or more gigs of ram
- Better speaker!
Otherwise it's pretty damn good in my opinion

Samsung lying again in benchmarks

update:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...rking-adjustments-inflate-scores-by-up-to-20/
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, the benchmarks are not useful, samsung tricks them using special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Pretty scummy of Samsung but I'm sure they aren't alone in benchmark cheating.

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http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013...ig-and-it-pulls-some-benchmark-shenanigans/3/
Again, all of the benchmarks are not usefull, samsung tricks it and uses special modes that the phone will not be able to use in non-benchmarks apps.
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Yeah. Not a good practice on Samsung's part, but who really cares. I'm not buying this phone because of benchmark scores.

Thats unfortunate.

OMG! Call the phone police!
CPU performance is honestly excellent. The Galaxy Note 3 is more or less the fastest Android smartphone we've tested up to this point. In the situations where we can do cross platform (OS/browser) comparisons, it isn't quite as fast as the iPhone 5s but in some cases it comes close. I should mention that the Note 3 (like many other Android devices - SGS4, HTC One) detects certain benchmarks and ensures CPU frequencies are running at max while running them, rather than relying on the benchmark workload to organically drive DVFS to those frequencies. Max supported CPU frequency is never exceeded in this process, the platform simply primes itself for running those tests as soon as they're detected. The impact is likely small since most of these tests should drive CPU frequencies to their max state regardless (at least on the CPU side), but I'm going to make it a point to call out this behavior whenever I see it from now on.​
http://www.anandtech.com/show/7376/samsung-galaxy-note-3-review/4

Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?

dkb218 said:
Does it matter? Is that going to sway anyones buying decision? The phone is blazing fast. In the real world as long as it plays that video you want to see and plays whatever games you want to play, who cares?
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The Cliff Notes from what Brian at Anandtech explained is that detecting a benchmark running, certain OEMs prime the CPU to run at max output rather than waiting for the request. As he said, the benchmarks run (or at least should) the CPU at max output anyway. It's the difference between testing a car's 0-60MPH speed from a standing start and rolling start. Except in this case you're talking about milliseconds of having the SoC at max output before a benchmark would have pushed the CPU there on its own.
Tempest in a tea pot.

Guys, it's only benchmarks.
If you consider it cheating, than I'm sure Samsung won't be alone doing this (as mentioned in Anandtech review).
Who knows even Apple might also did this.
Benchmark performance only amaze techgeek persons. Most people won't care or even read about it.
I'm more concerned about the performance issues mentioned in ars technica review such as Gallery app.
Does anyone else who already got their phone experienced the same issue?

I stopped believing in benchmarks a long time ago. IMO, they really only serve to give you a general idea of how units of similar hardware/setup might perform. I don't believe there's any true "real world" performance tests that can be done. In the end, only you can decide if something's gonna fit your needs by actually physically messing around with it...

Yeah, who cares about benchmarks. Samsung isn't making the phone perform at some magical speed. The phone is fully capable of performing at the level Samsung 'tricks' the benchmarks into believing. It's just that, the e-peen contests people get from showing off their benchmarks don't equate to real world performance.

Who really cares about benchmarks....really?

wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy

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wth is "benchmark booster" and why is it only applied to the N3 tests? Extremely fishy
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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.

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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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Or car manufactures with car consumption They are all "cheating" for years and you can't do a shi*** and we still going to buy the car...
With "cheating" or not Note 3 is the best god damn phone on the market.

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It's like putting track tires on a sports car so you can post a better Nurburgring time. They stuck in code that recognizes when popular benchmarking software is being started and it makes sure the CPU is running full out of the gate to goose the figures a bit. You can decide to what degree that is deceptive, but to call it "lying" as the post title suggests is probably a bit of hyperbole.
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it would have been ok if they applied the same method to the other phones

Benchmarks are for cheerleaders.
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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
Im sure Sammy isnt the only one , but its a slippery slope. What I dont want to see is them capping processing power to proclaim longer battery life while still advertising or benchmarking a full capacity CPU/GPU.

This is not worst than phone manufacturers advertising idle battery time as 800-1000 hours or some other hogwash number. They run those battery tests in their labs in unrealistic conditions that does not resemble real life usage even remotely just to pump up the score. That, in my opinion, is more "cheating" to the consumer than propping the CPU before a benchmark.

What I get from this:
If we rename our favorite apps to "Geekbench" we'll get better performance?

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Benchmarks matter. They are the quickest least subjective way to compare power between phones.
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Yes and no. And it depends on whether the benchmark is an emulator (talking directly to the h/w) or using the phone's native code and drivers. Since we're on car analogies it's more like bench horsepower (talking directly to the h/w) and horsepower to the wheels (using native code). There are a ton of devices out there that get fantastic benchmarks (they should if they use the same SoC) but crater based on the OEM doing a ****ty job with s/w and drivers.
And if you look at S-800 over S-600 the worst S-800 benchmark is light years ahead of the best S-600. It still comes down to how a device does the things that you ask it to based on your unique apps and settings configuration. I guarantee you my N3 running 113 apps with 9 syncs going all the time isn't going to "feel" as fast as someone else's running "lean" to maximize performance.