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Community issues: Campaign for a fresh start

Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
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constructive crticism welscome
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
P.S.
if issues are not resolved then it never will be as no one will accept blame and any such thread will eventually result in blame game.
right now see that people are just paying attention to information,now calling them for campaign is also a distraction.

btpd21 said:
Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
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Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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rohit3192 said:
i am sure that neo will close this thread as this is not required.
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
plz ask Neo to close this thread.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
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Hey, thanks for sharing your opinion with me in a respectful manner. However, I feel that the issue is not yet resolved, and the general forum is definitely the appropriate place to post it. The development is virtually at a standstill and I am not talking about gtg, but the other devs and would be devs who are now discouraged. I find that although your response was polite, it was completely inappropriate, especially considering what my original post stated. If you have an issue with my posts please message in private as opposed to calling me out/ racking up your post count.
Corvette Dave said:
Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
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Thank you for your support! I appreciate it.
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I doubt the devs read half the crap, and know that most if the quiet folks really enjoy there work, and in no means are they scared to
release there work, but rather punish and don't release, which its necessary to shut alt of people up, can always find them on irc
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I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?

NeoS2007 said:
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Neo just as you posted this I was editing my post in this thread.
I was concerned that this thread doesn't become a place for blaming other members or finding faults of others.as long as this stands for supporting devs my vote is there.
Right now I think forum is going well

NeoS2007 said:
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
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I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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nash2000 said:
I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
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I will flag this to our admins, so it can be looked into. Thanks for your feedback.

jayson94538 said:
I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
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My app shows the Q&A section. But it didn't until I reinstalled. Had to reinstall it after I put CM7 on.

To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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apallohadas said:
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
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Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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Heh well that worked. Thank you.
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NeoS2007 said:
I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
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Thanks for your support. Is there a way we could mark our bad posts to be deleted without reporting ourselves?
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I think alot of people like myself are new android users. I knew nothing 3 months ago about Android then I got the infuse my first smartphone which seems like its a lot of peoples first android. So I admit I posted questions then went and found the answer when I got no replies. I think people just need to understand that this is very fresh for a lot of people. It was ridiculous on gtg's post but on the other hand people got so angry at othrs that knew very little.
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ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
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You don't even have to unsubscribe just subscribe again (referring to the xda app)
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And I think another reason why we see a lot of similar topics being posted especially regarding support is because new users (like myself) feel we need support about our specific situation, even tho we may have already read a similar thrend. Its happened to me were I posted help and either ill get a smart reply ie "its been posted 10 times already" or they may reply with a link. The link will be exactly what I've already read but, the thrend doesn't 100% pertain to my situation so I'm afraid I may mess up even more if I follow those steps (its actually already happened,my first brick) This is why we may see a lot of repeat thrends. I usually will encourage my support giver to pm me but I hardly receive any.
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Why not have a separate section for rom support? I realize that sounds goofy but in the rom thread could be development related questions and in support section help and tech support?
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Well, xda-developers is for... DEVELOPERS. Although most people on xda are in it for the custom roms and leeching of apps.
I agree there should be some kind of a "noob sandbox" where new users can ask their questions and get answers from more seasoned users/devs. But how do you guys propose we do that?

[Q] Difference between Android 4.0.3 and 4.0.4?

Can someone list any comprehensive changes between the two?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Android_version_history#Ice_Cream_Sandwich_4.0.x

Obviously its easy for anyone to cite Wiki, but I was asking if there was anything they may have left out. Wiki is not always the most.reliable source for accuracy and comprehensive coverage pertaining to detail sometimes.

megagodx said:
Obviously its easy for anyone to cite Wiki, but I was asking if there was anything they may have left out. Wiki is not always the most.reliable source for accuracy and comprehensive coverage pertaining to detail sometimes.
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Then search for yourself, or flash them both and see.
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lazy noob
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Wow you're a jerk
What's wrong with helping a fellow forum member out without making them feel useless. I'm tired of this behavior on xda. So immature.
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awarbrick89 said:
Wow you're a jerk
What's wrong with helping a fellow forum member out without making them feel useless. I'm tired of this behavior on xda. So immature.
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You can't get on xda ask how something is or what's better from us. Because those of us that do flash and venture out find out on our own. This entire post is pointless. Strong with you the newness is.
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awarbrick89 said:
Wow you're a jerk
What's wrong with helping a fellow forum member out without making them feel useless. I'm tired of this behavior on xda. So immature.
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Its a little tough here on xda but its true that you need to try it out yourself and see what the difference is...personally between the 4.0.3 and 4.0.4 leaks we have, I noticed that 4.0.4 seems to be a lot smoother for me and battery drain seems a little better but I'm going to have to wait for a complete power cycle before I can confirm this

mjwhirly said:
personally between the 4.0.3 and 4.0.4 leaks we have, I noticed that 4.0.4 seems to be a lot smoother for me and battery drain seems a little better
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Which ROM are you using?
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awarbrick89 said:
Wow you're a jerk
What's wrong with helping a fellow forum member out without making them feel useless. I'm tired of this behavior on xda. So immature.
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At least someone answered his noob post...I put one up and no one chimes in...hehehehe
I'm not really offended, but entertained that others get offended so easily.

bbackowski said:
At least someone answered his noob post...I put one up and no one chimes in...hehehehe
I'm not really offended, but entertained that others get offended so easily.
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Not just in reply to this but the whole thing. I found this post looking for, well an answer the question that was initially asked. And very quickly pressed the back button on the browser and regoogled. I think the point is XDA is for a higher calibre level of experience and technical understanding and not for your day to day stuff you could read in a geek magazine, or Android Forums for example. Am I right? Just so I know not to make the mistake myself coz u guys get nasty

This threads been reported
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Illnevertell said:
This threads been reported
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I know this thread is old, just wanted to point out what huge an Impact that had apparently
And I don't know how I never noticed this at the time, But you guys didn't either.
He never asked which was better, he asked what the major changes were,
Why would you guys suggest someone go through the steps required to install a new android version, instead of just answering their question............ Noobs aren't the problem, the arrogant behavior of the experienced members however..

Thanks for bringing back a year old + thread to let us know.
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awarbrick89 said:
I know this thread is old, just wanted to point out what huge an Impact that had apparently
And I don't know how I never noticed this at the time, But you guys didn't either.
He never asked which was better, he asked what the major changes were,
Why would you guys suggest someone go through the steps required to install a new android version, instead of just answering their question............ Noobs aren't the problem, the arrogant behavior of the experienced members however..
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I disagree, the community itself was built on the backs of do it yourselfers who spent a lot of time and effort to learn and share development, sources, and ideas. The mentality of xda has changed from that of the do it yourselfer spitballing ideas on better code implementation or how to get things working to that of a help desk where it's no longer a community striving to improve and learn they just want things now. Most are content never knowing the effort involved in compiling a ROM or how to modify an apk, hell most can't even use adb to capture logs. The issue here is most certainly complacency amongst newer members. The mentality needs to change in order to see improvement, that's why you see these old timers so grumpy because honestly it's ridiculous the amount of easily searchable questions run through xda.
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I've been thinking maybe a sister site is needed. XDAusers sounds about right. Send all the "I want it now and I won't search" types over that way. Unfortunately, it's not that simple. Some will help with devving, some will cry like a two year old when they get a bootloop. It takes all kinds. One thing I have noticed though. Those that can search and read are almost never heard from. Why? Because they search and read. A catch-22 at its finest.

btm fdr said:
Thanks for bringing back a year old + thread to let us know.
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Any Time

Stop being rude

I love XDA. I learned how to root my first phone and continue to find my ROMs and mods here. I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place. When I first started my rooting experience, I wouldn't have made it without the community here. However, with that being said, I took a lot of flack asking questions in the wrong section or asking questions that were TOO simple. I still see it. Continuously. Worse than before. So, to you, those of whom I speak, I send a msg.
Stop being know-it-alls and dicks and ass holes! YOUR NOT COOL! Talking all big and smart on a forum? Where you'll never see or have physical contact with those you pick on? Yea, there ya go....... Maybe you are cool.......... Hmm? No, your not.
I know this post will go unheeded and I'm sure ill receive the flack myself. I usually just ignore the negativity but I saw a post earlier that really bothered me. I can only imagine the difficulty in keeping this place friendly and my own post may go against my msg, but it had to be said.
P.S. Hey dicks, stop being dicks.
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I'm not trying to be classified as one of the people which you're speaking about, but it is annoying to see things that obviously are in the wrong section. Example, this thread's title is a question, so it should be in the Q&A section.
Another thing is when users ask questions when it has been discussed many times before and they did not use the search feature.
Bottom-line, it's annoying. That's why some people get rude.
EDIT: Now this is my view and opinion on the subject you brought up, don't get angry and start slurring hateful things just because someone sees things differently than you.
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Its the phone I guess. I never saw that many jerks on all the other forums I visited in the past.
Pathetic...

Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Your edit seemed designed to try and bring out anger and slurs. It usually does.
Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. The subject heading is in the form of a question, but this is more of a general discussion. Thats my intent anyway. Again, its opinion and how its expressed is what's important. Also, is it a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
A new user wouldn't be accustomed to the layout and the strict demands of some users. Thats what I consider understandable ignorance.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Crooke356 said:
Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. Again, its opinion and how its presented. Also, is a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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Your right. I know I'm being naive, but I'm hoping that by posting this, some might see it and take it easy.
The rude things I said, were in the hope that I could draw the angry posters in here and then turn them on to calm discussion. Again, naive, I know. But id like to come on here and read through the posts instead of going straight to the links for my downloads.
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I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Crooke356 said:
I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Sorry, what I was explaining before was specific to your thread.
You are correct though, if the content within the thread is a question, it should be in the Q&A.
I think most users that post questions in the General section are new, and don't know their way around. Anytime I see a question, I promptly tell them there is a Q&A section, the try to help.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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That's a great point with which I agree.
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This issue comes from people coming here thinking it is a support forum when it is far from that. This is a development forum which means you ARE expected to put in the time to research issues before posting. This seldom happens and people get flamed. While I don't allow people to go off on new people I don't overly blame them. When i joined XDA I knew better then asking a question before I spent at least 2 hours searching and reading. If I did I was flamed to the high heavens and made to feel like I didn't belong. Which of course I didn't. Not until I learned what a development forum was all about.
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'I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place'
Couldn't agree more.
Mods can move threads and people can use the search function, so everyone can contribute to easing this issue.

_MetalHead_ said:
What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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Just ignore the question then your not required to answer ..if u have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all ..but I do know how you feel ..either way I still just politely answer their question because if I was in their shoes I'd want someone responding to me politely ..its a forum not a YouTube comment section lol
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Whats pretty odd/annoying is that there always a "I BRICKED MY PHONE!!!!" thread here on General at least once a week. Whats even more annoying is that most of the OP's have common phones (Galaxy series, HTC's and so on) that there is a 90% chance that it has a device forum, Mine doesnt have one, so I havent rooted it yet, But even with these people, I still love XDA forums! (even if im probably the only one that likes Apple)

People here seem to be barely suppressing buttfrustration. Let the butthurt flow through you.
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agree with both sides of the discussion.
however IMO, if you end up replying to a thread saying:
" noob, use the search feature man!!" or "-devs please move/lock thread"
the effort you spent typing out that ****, you could have simply answered the OP's question/help or whatever, am i wrong?
sometimes i see a question from a newbie that basically can be answered in 1 or 2 sentences but instead all i see is "use the search-feature, omg what a noob. do you not see the search button? devs lock thread plz".
yeah i understand if the OP could be trolling and or his post is tl;dr but to reject/flame even the simplest of things is absurd IMO.

Sometimes people do search but get no results.
At least if you're posting using tapatalk that is, have also had this problem using the website interface, as the search feature for xda often has days where it just returns no results and I have to try searching xda using google.
So it is possible some people genuinely did search and yet find nothing and so they post and risk getting picked on for doing so.
However I've only had problems at xda from die hard fanboys (of all platforms), in general most people at xda are very helpful and most rudeness comes from people who think they are superior and forget they were not always so well versed in the use of their preferred platform.
Those who want to be obnoxious will always be that way, but then if you're using a forum you have to expect idiots and not let them get to you so much.
At the end of the day it's just an idiot being big behind a screen and a username to boost their sense of superiority, it's sad they feel the need to do so but those that do will carry on regardless so all that can be done is to see them for who they are and not let them get to you.
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Edit: i think i was wrong

KayxGee1 said:
Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.

lowandbehold said:
I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
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From what I see, the two main questions are always asked in the General section.
1. What phone should I get?
2. Can someone help me with this device?
Those are flat out questions. Even though some maybe have a more broad spectrum of answers that can become a general conversation, it is still a question, regardless of how simplistic the question is.
EDIT: That's just my view I guess. You have a point though, and some topic do start general conversations.
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Why is everyone so rude

I have been a member for some time now and xda mods and users are insane. We are losing people to other forums due to the fact whenever a person asks a question he is flamed by mods and other users ex. Wrong section search before you ask Wtf if someone has a question answer them. Half the time a user downloads a Rom and messes up there phone and they start to bug out cause they think they ****ed up there phone beoynd fixing and then they ask how to fix it and get told you are in wrong section and to use the search function (which sux I might add)They are coming here because we have the knowledge to help them. They are not coming here to get a attitude. Some of the users will help them but for the few that give them a hard time , think about if the shoe was on the other foot and you rude people needed help with something would you want someone to give u **** for asking a question. This was one of the best forums about 5 years ago now its not so great. That's just my 2 cents and I know I am posting in the wrong section. But that is what mods are for to move it into the right section, back in the day a mod would kindly say I moved your thread to this section end of story,with no flame and no need to make the poster feel like a ass
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I was a complete noob only about 2 months ago, and I don't think it's too much to ask noobs to follow explicitly stated forum rules. People answering questions are doing that out of their own free will, donating their time, energy, and knowledge. And though moving threads is one of a mod's roles, they are donating time as well. We have no right to expect help or time from others, especially when we don't follow rules made to make XDA a more productive and useful place.
For example, it's a courtesy to devs to keep their threads clean, so they can figure out bugs and dev hints quickly and easily without sifting through junk. It lets them figure out problems faster and, therefore, makes it easier for them to dev the ROMs we all use. And even in the general forums, people don't want to see and answer the same vague and/or general question (eg. Which is the best ROM) once a week.
I obviously wasn't here 5 years ago, but I bet there were fewer people then, so there were fewer noobs and, therefore, fewer noob questions, so there were fewer people exasperated with noob questions, and therefore fewer noob answers. So that makes sense.
I want to make clear that I don't condone rudeness on the Internet any ore than elsewhere, but as long as no one is being actually rude, I don't think it's out of line for members to tell noobs to follow forum rules made for everyone's benefit.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812464
tell me this mod is not rude all someone had to do was post a link for this person this is what made me post this non sense . Not to single out this mod cause its not just him or her a good amount of the xda community acts this way. I see this all the time .
Whatever
I am just saying
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insanenyc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812464
tell me this mod is not rude all someone had to do was post a link for this person this is what made me post this non sense . Not to single out this mod cause its not just him or her a good amount of the xda community acts this way. I see this all the time .
Whatever
I am just saying
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To me, those responses seem perfectly justified. If the OP had simply looked at the Ace Think Tank thread, he would have found a clear, nicely formatted, step by step way to fix his problem. It's not members' responsibility to post him a link; it's his own responsibility to find information already so nicely created, packaged and placed, explicitly for noobs, for him to read.

Great devs have left because of these assholes sadly.
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Rules are meant to be followed. If you're too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. You're given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
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Gizmoe said:
Rules are meant to be followed. If your too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. Your given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
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There's a video? Hahahahaa.... I read the rules.. only if I would have known.
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Yes there's a video because there's 4859572958352858.5 rules and you should know each and every one. You don't do it when buying a car but dammit you better read the terms and conditions of this forum. Soon enough you'll have to print em, sign in triplicate and mail in before posting.
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joe3681 said:
Yes there's a video because there's 4859572958352858.5 rules and you should know each and every one. You don't do it when buying a car but dammit you better read the terms and conditions of this forum. Soon enough you'll have to print em, sign in triplicate and mail in before posting.
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That would be excellent! Just kidding. But most of the rules are pretty much common sense. Don't post in a forum clearly labeled for developers if you aren't a developer, don't ask questions that have already been answered, and dont be vague when asking for help.

I agree with people doing there own research, it does take time with trying to search for things, the first time I rooted took me 3-4 hours just to search and make sure I wasn't going to mess anything up. Then when I wanted a custom rom it was easy breezy because I knew the terms. Id still consider myself a noob, everyone's a noob in my book cause they learn everyday if theyel weren't whenever roms come out they wouldn't have any bugs or glitches...but they do and therefore they learn how to fix it.
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I realize that to but no everyone does it
Sorry for my english

Gizmoe said:
Rules are meant to be followed. If your too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. Your given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
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You're as in you are. Not your. Man if you only read the dictionary jkjk. I agree SOME people may get mad and post inappropriate things but you have to read the rules and understand everything before posting. Instead of posting I search. I am on the app and I'm aware that searching isn't the best for the app BUT do you forget we have a browser on our phone as well as Google its not that they wake up and say "hey, today I think I'm going to troll Gizmoe(or said name) and be rude instead of answering". Its not their job to walk you through something if the answers there. I've had my own fights and misunderstandings on here with members but in the end they were right because I didn't read everything 114% so read before asking. And read again before asking. The devs are amazing at what they do and they don't need the stress of answering more questions then needed. The search bar is there for a reason. Take advantage of it. Or they may just go "here's said app/rom/theme/other use it." Thanks for listening and take the advice. READ AND RESEARCH <3 have a wonderful day.
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You're as in you are. Not your. Man if you only read the dictionary jkjk. I agree SOME people may get mad and post inappropriate things but you have to read the rules and understand everything before posting. Instead of posting I search. I am on the app and I'm aware that searching isn't the best for the app BUT do you forget we have a browser on our phone as well as Google its not that they wake up and say "hey, today I think I'm going to troll Gizmoe(or said name) and be rude instead of answering". Its not their job to walk you through something if the answers there. I've had my own fights and misunderstandings on here with members but in the end they were right because I didn't read everything 114% so read before asking. And read again before asking. The devs are amazing at what they do and they don't need the stress of answering more questions then needed. The search bar is there for a reason. Take advantage of it. Or they may just go "here's said app/rom/theme/other use it." Thanks for listening and take the advice. READ AND RESEARCH <3 have a wonderful day.
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Lol. You and your "you're". I will use you're from now on if it bothers you so much. Jk. .
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It bugs me to no end. You have no idea. Everytime I said you're I say you are in my head. plus writing papers with counted words you need to make sure you use the you are because its two words instead of one haha
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Yea most people are jerks but if they weren't then all the noobs would be asking the same question over and over again. It's not hard if you research. When I was a noob I researched and when I was ready to root I researched more just incase anything bad would happen. People are just lazy and don't take the time to research.
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boss man Kole said:
Yea most people are jerks but if they weren't then all the noobs would be asking the same question over and over again. It's not hard if you research. When I was a noob I researched and when I was ready to root I researched more just incase anything bad would happen. People are just lazy and don't take the time to research.
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This thread is a waste
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For someone who's new you should really learn how to either voice your opinions eloquently or refrain from them altogether.
It is better that the user voiced his opinion so that a discussion could start to be able to clear any possible misconceptions or if so were the case, for the comunity to improve where it is lacking.
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insanenyc said:
I have been a member for some time now and xda mods and users are insane. We are losing people to other forums due to the fact whenever a person asks a question he is flamed by mods and other users ex. Wrong section search before you ask Wtf if someone has a question answer them. Half the time a user downloads a Rom and messes up there phone and they start to bug out cause they think they ****ed up there phone beoynd fixing and then they ask how to fix it and get told you are in wrong section and to use the search function (which sux I might add)They are coming here because we have the knowledge to help them. They are not coming here to get a attitude. Some of the users will help them but for the few that give them a hard time , think about if the shoe was on the other foot and you rude people needed help with something would you want someone to give u **** for asking a question. This was one of the best forums about 5 years ago now its not so great. That's just my 2 cents and I know I am posting in the wrong section. But that is what mods are for to move it into the right section, back in the day a mod would kindly say I moved your thread to this section end of story,with no flame and no need to make the poster feel like a ass
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I think that perhaps you have missed the idea that this is a DEV's forum and not an Android 101 one. That means that you can get help if you do what you are supposed to, which is read, do research and then ask. If you mess your phone and you don´t have a clue of what you have done, you can blame no one for that. Belive me I have helped lots of people and even have writen guides and tutorials on how to sort the most common issues, but you usually find people asking the same questions without even doing a simple search. If you are willing to be part of a forum then you should comply with the rules. From the links you provided I don´t see nobody being rude but realistic. If you don´t know what you are doing or the risk that you are facing, then you should refrain from doing it instead of coming here and blame the tools and dev's.
The DEV's that have left XDA, at least in the case I am aware of, was not for everybody being rude, but for the moderators editing his comments to users. The real and annoying reason is to be dealing with noobs thinking dev's owe them answers and support and getting mad when they face reality.

Let me clear something up I was not saying that anyone was rude to me. I have been here long enough that I know what I can ask and what I have to search for on my own. I was referring to the way new people are treated for asking questions.
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Getting a forum for a new device.

Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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onebornoflight said:
Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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Maybe XDA has a personal issue with phones with QWERTY keyboards.

We encountered this issue on my previous qwerty device also and believe me we almost got top 2 on the voting thread for new devices yet till now it still don't have any forum of its own. I already asked and the reason why it didn't get its own forum was not because of the lack of the community but instead the lack of real developers to support the device. To quote what the mod I talked to he said that
"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.

Guys try www.sdx-developers.com its a Samsung hacking site
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That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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onebornoflight said:
The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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At least he replied to you...
Lol I never got a reply

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@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Now that XDA isn't accommodating, creating a dev section for the device there might just be what that site needs to bring it back to life
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gtmaster303 said:
That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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gtmaster303 said:
1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Riyal said:
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strapped365 said:
1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Thanks. Although I don't agree with you completely, it's good to know you didn't go rogue on me all of a sudden. If xda wants ad revenue, they would be creating ads for every device out. Although I don't understand why they won't readily create a forum for a device that clearly needs it. I don't agree with their logic. If there's even one dev for a device, a forum should be made. That's like saying "we'll only host the most popular of devices." By that token, popularity should not ensue. And under that jurisdiction, technically the Doubleshot shouldn't exist here either. Our community is quite small, even for a dev community. Most of the daily page hits xda gets from us are the same couple dozen people, some of which login multiple times per day (because they have no life, myself included )
But popularity of the site is still necessary. not that many people know about sdx. When they look for a new phone to buy (devs and modders alike) most will come to xda and poke around to see if the activity is up to their liking. If not, they'll probably search for a new device. Main reason why I haven't switched over to a Captivate Glide or a Droid 4...
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I must be weird then as I bought my device because
1. It was the closest thing to a G3 on the market and
2. I was (and still am) angry with and done with HTC after the lack of ICS on the doubleshot.
Oh and 3. My DS died;(
Nonetheless if we decide to move to that other site I'll have to get an android app for it lol.
I'm growing disgruntled with XDA lately but its kinda like a drug for me... and strapped... this device stock is just about equivalent to my ds when it died with regards to ease of use and overall response. I DO miss a trackpad and the home button lags just a bit... but that could be me having an aftermarket launcher with touchwiz frozen but not uninstalled.
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