I love XDA. I learned how to root my first phone and continue to find my ROMs and mods here. I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place. When I first started my rooting experience, I wouldn't have made it without the community here. However, with that being said, I took a lot of flack asking questions in the wrong section or asking questions that were TOO simple. I still see it. Continuously. Worse than before. So, to you, those of whom I speak, I send a msg.
Stop being know-it-alls and dicks and ass holes! YOUR NOT COOL! Talking all big and smart on a forum? Where you'll never see or have physical contact with those you pick on? Yea, there ya go....... Maybe you are cool.......... Hmm? No, your not.
I know this post will go unheeded and I'm sure ill receive the flack myself. I usually just ignore the negativity but I saw a post earlier that really bothered me. I can only imagine the difficulty in keeping this place friendly and my own post may go against my msg, but it had to be said.
P.S. Hey dicks, stop being dicks.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
I'm not trying to be classified as one of the people which you're speaking about, but it is annoying to see things that obviously are in the wrong section. Example, this thread's title is a question, so it should be in the Q&A section.
Another thing is when users ask questions when it has been discussed many times before and they did not use the search feature.
Bottom-line, it's annoying. That's why some people get rude.
EDIT: Now this is my view and opinion on the subject you brought up, don't get angry and start slurring hateful things just because someone sees things differently than you.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Its the phone I guess. I never saw that many jerks on all the other forums I visited in the past.
Pathetic...
Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Your edit seemed designed to try and bring out anger and slurs. It usually does.
Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. The subject heading is in the form of a question, but this is more of a general discussion. Thats my intent anyway. Again, its opinion and how its expressed is what's important. Also, is it a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
A new user wouldn't be accustomed to the layout and the strict demands of some users. Thats what I consider understandable ignorance.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
Crooke356 said:
Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. Again, its opinion and how its presented. Also, is a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Your right. I know I'm being naive, but I'm hoping that by posting this, some might see it and take it easy.
The rude things I said, were in the hope that I could draw the angry posters in here and then turn them on to calm discussion. Again, naive, I know. But id like to come on here and read through the posts instead of going straight to the links for my downloads.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
Crooke356 said:
I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry, what I was explaining before was specific to your thread.
You are correct though, if the content within the thread is a question, it should be in the Q&A.
I think most users that post questions in the General section are new, and don't know their way around. Anytime I see a question, I promptly tell them there is a Q&A section, the try to help.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
_MetalHead_ said:
What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's a great point with which I agree.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
This issue comes from people coming here thinking it is a support forum when it is far from that. This is a development forum which means you ARE expected to put in the time to research issues before posting. This seldom happens and people get flamed. While I don't allow people to go off on new people I don't overly blame them. When i joined XDA I knew better then asking a question before I spent at least 2 hours searching and reading. If I did I was flamed to the high heavens and made to feel like I didn't belong. Which of course I didn't. Not until I learned what a development forum was all about.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using Tapatalk 2
'I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place'
Couldn't agree more.
Mods can move threads and people can use the search function, so everyone can contribute to easing this issue.
_MetalHead_ said:
What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Just ignore the question then your not required to answer ..if u have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all ..but I do know how you feel ..either way I still just politely answer their question because if I was in their shoes I'd want someone responding to me politely ..its a forum not a YouTube comment section lol
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using xda app-developers app
Whats pretty odd/annoying is that there always a "I BRICKED MY PHONE!!!!" thread here on General at least once a week. Whats even more annoying is that most of the OP's have common phones (Galaxy series, HTC's and so on) that there is a 90% chance that it has a device forum, Mine doesnt have one, so I havent rooted it yet, But even with these people, I still love XDA forums! (even if im probably the only one that likes Apple)
People here seem to be barely suppressing buttfrustration. Let the butthurt flow through you.
Sent from my 3d porn machine.
agree with both sides of the discussion.
however IMO, if you end up replying to a thread saying:
" noob, use the search feature man!!" or "-devs please move/lock thread"
the effort you spent typing out that ****, you could have simply answered the OP's question/help or whatever, am i wrong?
sometimes i see a question from a newbie that basically can be answered in 1 or 2 sentences but instead all i see is "use the search-feature, omg what a noob. do you not see the search button? devs lock thread plz".
yeah i understand if the OP could be trolling and or his post is tl;dr but to reject/flame even the simplest of things is absurd IMO.
Sometimes people do search but get no results.
At least if you're posting using tapatalk that is, have also had this problem using the website interface, as the search feature for xda often has days where it just returns no results and I have to try searching xda using google.
So it is possible some people genuinely did search and yet find nothing and so they post and risk getting picked on for doing so.
However I've only had problems at xda from die hard fanboys (of all platforms), in general most people at xda are very helpful and most rudeness comes from people who think they are superior and forget they were not always so well versed in the use of their preferred platform.
Those who want to be obnoxious will always be that way, but then if you're using a forum you have to expect idiots and not let them get to you so much.
At the end of the day it's just an idiot being big behind a screen and a username to boost their sense of superiority, it's sad they feel the need to do so but those that do will carry on regardless so all that can be done is to see them for who they are and not let them get to you.
Dave
( http://www.google.com/producer/editions/CAownKXmAQ/bigfatuniverse )
Sent from my LG P920 using Tapatalk 2
Edit: i think i was wrong
KayxGee1 said:
Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
lowandbehold said:
I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
From what I see, the two main questions are always asked in the General section.
1. What phone should I get?
2. Can someone help me with this device?
Those are flat out questions. Even though some maybe have a more broad spectrum of answers that can become a general conversation, it is still a question, regardless of how simplistic the question is.
EDIT: That's just my view I guess. You have a point though, and some topic do start general conversations.
Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HD
Related
I'm just throwing this out there...So agree if you do or don't if you don't.
Personally, I'm tired of reading various ROM threads and seeing people cry or complain about features that are not included.
If you are using ROM "X" and want the features of ROM "Y", THEN FU**ING USE THE ROM THAT HAS THE FEATURES YOU WANT! Or just learn to code yourself.
There are plenty of tutorials on this site. Enough so, that one could literally build a ROM from scratch if they wanted to.
Granted, I'm no dev by any means...but I don't run around crying about features lost or features gained. Those of you that complain...you have the WORLD at your fingertips. USE THE SEARCH FEATURE! USE GOOGLE!
If I hurt your feelings by posting this, then good. You deserved it. That is all. My asshole moment is now over.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I have been on this site for 2 years. I never really posted much. I spent my time searching and reading the posts. I notice the new trend is to just ask a question without any searching then ***** about the answers you receive. Ok, now I'm done.
Maybe you should name this the Rant Thread, haha.
Agree with tribalartgod
+10
Agreed. Here's my rant...
Rant no. 1...I am so sick of ppl crying about scratched screens and broken phones. QUIT BEING CHEAP AND BUY SCREEN PROTECTORS AND PROTECTIVE CASES!!! These are smartphones that are easily broken or scratched. These are not the basic flip phone that are more durable. Use common sense and protect your investment! If you break your phone with protection, then you did something so destructive, there was no hope for it anyways.
Rant no. 2...I am so sick of ppl posting....help! I messed up my phone because I'm too lazy to read and research about how to do things PROPERLY! More times than not, if you do your due diligence and research, read, and follow basic instructions, you will find that you will have very little issues, if any. And how about ppl that cut corners and take short cuts to try and save time. Do this, and you will find yourself spending more time troubleshooting issues because you didn't do it properly. Research, read, and follow instructions. Its just as simple as that.
/rant
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App
Ahhhh that was very refreshing to read. I agree with your rant 100%.
Rant no...3: I have two roms, which one is the best?
There is no such thing as the best one, geez. Just try both of them and see what you like more.
Sent from my dessert flavored Inspire
yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)
I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
Inspired Ace 1.0.1¦ XDA Premium
@Thremix... As far as the search thing is concerned, there really should not be any excuse at all. It's a big button that says "Search this Thread", or "Search this forum."
I can't speak for anyone but myself on this... But if you post in the wrong section, or what have you... I personally will tell you the answer if I know it. But in doing so, I also tell you it has already been posted, and provide the link to that thread. If it's in the wrong section, I'll answer you, and tell you it's in the wrong section.
As far as flaming people... Ignorance leads to that. And unfortunately, I am guilty of flaming people before. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. And I too, am guilty of posting in the wrong section sometimes.
Sometimes the categories just aren't specific enough... For example: Themes and Apps... If it is your own work, I feel it should go in the Dev section. that's just me. If it's someone else's, then yes, in the Themes and Apps section.
Scott_S said:
I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
Inspired Ace 1.0.1¦ XDA Premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
LMFAO.
Thremix said:
yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
No flame, just going to say that 3 of your rants are about the first rule of these here forums.
Forum Rules
Not to mention that that no flaming is the second rule.
While we can politely ask them to search, most time I will tell them to search or read while posting a helpful link.
Now my rant:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant
A real kicker for me is the inability to write a thread title. "Has anyone else noticed?" "Am I the only one?" "HELP" are examples of completely useless thread titles and doesn't explain what you're trying to convey at all.
I'm not exactly the most patient person in the world and my personality comes off fairly blunt but I'm glad to see that quite a few people are annoyed at exactly the same things I am. I'm fairly new to XDA as a whole but these kinds of things go on in pretty much every other forum I've been somewhat active on as well.
Thremix said:
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'll typically answer it and give a link to another thread that's exactly the same question that I found in 5 seconds using search. Or just simply post a link to the thread and hope that people can figure it out by themselves (which usually isn't the case). But bloody hell, there's been so many "which rom is the best?" threads lately that I've been staying out of General and just sticking to a few select threads under the development section.
mudknot2005 said:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As soon as I saw that I KNEW you were in Texas without even looking.
Stupid MF'ing blue laws, if anything should get flamed, it is those.
Even dumber: Why can't I buy a car on Sunday?
tribalartgod said:
+1
LMFAO.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And the more substantive version of my rant...
I actually don't use search as much as I would like, as most of my posts are from the XDA app, not the full site. And there is a significant difference in functionality.
However, instead of posting a new thread for each random question that enters my brain, I'll at least thread-browse and subscribe, reading the entire thread.
The problem is that people just want to be spoon-fed the answers to problems that have, 9 out of 10 times, already been previously encountered...and solved.
They often times seem to have the attitude that XDA is free technical support, here to cater to them. Not. It takes time to answer questions, no one gets paid for it, and having to repeat the same answer to a fresh face multiple times per day gets a little tiresome.
Personally, I *prefer* having information prior to doing something I'm unsure about, it's when there's a lot of slightly different answers to the same question that tempts me to ask for clarification.
Still not enough to break my "0 new threads started," though. I saving that for a special occasion.
Inspired Ace 1.0.1¦ XDA Premium
#1- bravo
#2- [email protected]%ing rofl
I can see this being the thread of the year. Whatever was on your mind but you didn't wanna be an asshole and post- let it out.
Edit- and this is what happens when companies like apple have the attitude -'every single one of our users is an utter moron, so we better spoon feed and restrict what they can do'- but they used a one click jailbreak so there super hackers. I'm kinda glad this phone isn't a simple one click root. It makes the users at least READ and research a little so they might start to understand a little what's going on
I'm the kind of person that when I do something, I don't want a step by step tutorial with exactly what buttons to push on the keyboard, I want to know why and what I'm doing when I'm doing it. That's just me though.
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
CM7 Inspire 4G
TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
CM7 Inspire 4G
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
You have no idea how much I agree with this!
I do tech support for a living... I feel your pain.
TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
CM7 Inspire 4G
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App
cdfink08 said:
Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
CM7 Inspire 4G
I never realized that people were required to read a thread, let alone reply to it. If someone's thread starts with "I scratched my screen", why bother reading it if you are not interested. I think it is expected to see these type of posts in the General section. If all you want to do is read about developement, there is a section for that. I previously learned to hack the **** of my Windows phone thanks to some very helpful people here at XDA. Despite the fact that I haven't rooted my Inspire, I visit here daily because I have learned to do some other things and about a lot of other things. I'm new to Android. When someone posts about scratching their screen, some helpful guys will come in with recommendations about which brands of screen protectors and cases they use and the pros and cons of them. I like that. I wouldn't expect to see that in the developers section, but I'm ok with it in the General section. As far as the guys that get in trouble when rooting, searching is not as easy as one would assume, especially if in a panic state. When you already know what went wrong it's probably an easy search. For someone that is looking at non functional phone without knowing what the hell went wrong, it might not be as easy. I will probably eventually root, but not until I'm ready. Probably when AT&T refuses to release that Gingerbread upgrade. In the meantime, even reading about the problems noobs run into helps me. As far as what the op posted about different roms, I do agree. Try them out and if the perfect one is not out there for you, suck it up and pick one. I don't post much, but I do like to read and hate to see discouragement towards the noobs and posters that just post general issues or that get into trouble. I'm pretty sure we all started somewheres.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
TheBassman369 said:
I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
CM7 Inspire 4G
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Motorola Atrix and HTC Thunderbolt
I mentioned that issue to mr. clown about two months ago, and he said it is up to the admins.
Sent from my shotgun via the zombie apocalypse
Hi everyone,
So I've seen this issue resurface many times in many different threads, most recently in the updating inspire thread. My requests are simple:
IF YOU ARE NEW TO THE FORUM, PLEASE USE THE SEARCH BUTTON BEFORE ASKING A QUESTION. IF THEN, YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND, FEEL FREE TO ASK (AND MAKE SURE YOU MENTION THAT YOU TRIED).
IF YOU ARE ABOUT TO FLAME SOMEONE THAT DIDN'T SEARCH, BE POLITE. If you want to answer their question too, go ahead.
If someone doesn't answer their question but asks them to search first, please don't flame them either. It's absolutely useless to redo the debate that's been had many many times before. Some people prefer not to answer questions in these cases while others don't. Let's all live happily ever after and not get on each others' backs because we're all experienced and veteran users trying to help others out. There is no need to get testy or question why someone does or doesn't answer a question. To each their own.
Now, back to my ORD (obsessive rom-flashing disorder for you newbies)...
Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
Scott_S said:
Agreed.
I try to be as polite as possible without compromising the message. Sometimes it's difficult not to come across like a jerk when all you have to communicate with is text and smilies.
I often start feeling bad, thinking I was too harsh, and end-up going back and trying to make amends, anyway.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I never feel bad about it.
I've been living in forums for far too long to fret over this. I have a whole like 15 posts here but started back over a yr ago with my Rhodium. Now I'm getting into the more modded styles and am enjoying passing on what I've read here even gotten a few other friends to join. All cause this forum has a huge database of knowledge with an actual small amount of flaming.
Sent from my Inspire 4g running ClearDroid 1.1.2
tweaked said:
I never feel bad about it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've noticed. Your one of my heroes, actually.
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
There is now excuse to reading; almost any answer is already posted. when I first joined XDA I spent 2 days solid just reading. If one does half as much as I did, you end up with a good sense of how rooting, flashing, customizing the Inspire is done and also use the IRC chat rooms.
Guys don't let up! I never got hurt by anyone here, it only inspires to search, read, AND LEARN!!!
Holding someone's hand never encourages or lets them learn!
This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
Mister J said:
This thread already exists, use the search button next time.
Jk jk that would be ironic no?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LoL. It is ironic. I have already seen numerous threads about using the search button first.
Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk
Carlrobling said:
I try not to get to upset or flame to much. But sometimes I cant help it lol. I just had someone tell me not to be a douche when I gave them the answer and told him to search. He said theres 214 pages on this thread. I have to admit I lost it called him out and said my fair share of bad words lol. And told him exactly what i searched for and what page to find the answer on. There is no excuse for ignorance or stupidity in this age of google and forums. I have come to find more often then not its laziness and just wanting someone to give them the answer rather then find it out. I personally find that I learn more when I search and usually find even more useful info out. That's my 2 cents.
Here is his comment with a quote of my original answer. (post number 2102)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=984805&page=211
Here is my not so nice flame back lol. (post number 2119)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=14558887#post14558887
P.S. I did apologize to the op for the flame also.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Glad you posted this,cause I missed your response. But dude,once in a while,someone could read over something easily. I shouldn't post this here,since this thread goes against flaming,but you were out of line. And by the way **** face,I unchecked the tell HTC box,it didn't work. But not being the newby you treated me like,I figured it out on my own. Your vision on someone not searching or being lazy,is outta this world ****ed up bro. You are the type of user who completely does not care about anything but trying to prove there intelligence. Here is what a user should do when having a problem:
1: read,read......read!
2: read over all you read,again
3: do a couple searches
4: retry what you did that caused the problem
5: after all that fails,ask the question you need an answer too
I DID ALL OF THAT YOU ASS.
I read all 200 and something pages of the thread before i ever asked my question,and as hard as it is for you to beleive,I read over what I was looking for.
And before any of you write this up as flaming,his whole post here was flaming me. Have a nice day captain douchebag
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA Premium App
Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
We need to start this thread over new every week just to vent and let everyone have at it and get it out then close it, delete it on Friday and open it up fresh on Monday. LOL
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA App
Lets just get it stickied
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA Premium App
mattmiller said:
Good luck with this thread. I made one a few weeks ago and the noobs whined and got it closed. So yeah for all noobs click here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
LOL! I think you posted that video in that thread too.
The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
knarfl1 said:
The reason search isn't as effective it could be is because there is so much duplicate content from noobs asking the same quetsions over and over.
In a way XDA site has become a end user support site more so than a tech/dev site.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA Premium App
Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
brd912 said:
I 100% agree with this,we need more mods. I know its gotta be hard for them to keep this place cleaned up
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
jc2470 said:
Its not about whether or not people should search, im sure alot do and alot dont. Problem is some the the questions they are asking might be answered to someone who already knows the answer. To the one asking the question it was only partially answered in the post they searched for, then u get these forum nazi's jumping all over them saying search search search, usually the one saying that says it for post count or just to have something to say period, because they dont have any answers.
If i know the answer, I will answer it if it wasnt already answered. There are plenty nice peeps on here that answer, and not half assed. What is clear to peeps that have a good understanding of what there doing to begin with, is not always clear to someone with little to no knowledge of modding there phones.
Thanks to everyone here that does have the patience to help all the noobs out. If everyone was a smartass about everything what good would the forums be.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Your rite. See knewbs can be aggrivating,but we were once all one our selves. And yes,knewbs should search and read first,and if they have a problem,then ask a question. But someone shouldn't jump down there throat off the bat,assuming they didn't search first. I mean,sometimes I have a hard time finding something by googlin it and my gf will find it with one search LOL. So its not just the knewbs clustering the place,its also people who Jump down there throat and cause an argument that lasts 2 pages worth of thread. Here's an example of how I think it should be done
Knewb: " i tried to install android evelution and keep getting reboots"
Member: " did you search?"
Knewb: "yes and I can't find anything on it"
Member: "ok try full wiping,then reflashing. If that doesent work,post back here and im sure we can help you out"
See,like give them an easy answer ya know? And if they cone back saying it didn't work,then its time to be the members of a great forum,and help the guy,atleast tell him what to read through to resolve the problem. On the other hand,if a knewb comes off like there not even willing to try and help there selves,then don't even respond. In the long run it will save a lot of space on the forum. Instead of being jerks,we can guide the knewbs to being a intelligent user,that way they will be the ones answering questions down the road. Of we did that,then it would save time for the more experienced users to make great stuff for us here at xda. I'm not taking up for knewbs here,I'm just saying that there not the only ones clustering the place. And I'm not talking about the guys who come off as a jerk because there responding to something over the internet,I mean the ones who snap on a knewb,without leaving nothing but an half ass answer,and a rude comment that leads to a huge argument.
My 2cents,I have plenty more
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA Premium App
Scott_S said:
That's what all of this is about... Community moderation.. reminding people of the rules when mods aren't around to do it, which is a lot of the time.
But, as I'm finding out, it's not a very popular thing with a lot of people. I got accused of "acting like god of this forum," because I reminded someone, after that person had their question answered by another poster, to search a little better next time. It was one of the most commonly questions here.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Rite. See the users that have knowledge,need to guide the knewbs so there will be more experienced users to do so. Sometimes I come off as taking up for the knewbs,but its just that the people that's been here a while or have intelligence about all this,can make this place better,and control situations if we just do like you said,and say hey "try searching a little bit next time bud" instead of "omg you rlidiot,go search before you post" ya know?
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA Premium App
Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
constructive crticism welscome
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
P.S.
if issues are not resolved then it never will be as no one will accept blame and any such thread will eventually result in blame game.
right now see that people are just paying attention to information,now calling them for campaign is also a distraction.
btpd21 said:
Hi guys,
You probably already know me from my other threads, mostly the support thread. If not, I would like to give a brief introduction: in june, I received an upgrade from at&t and decided to purchase the infuse 4g my first android phone.
I was thrilled with its performance, and the community started off strong. ROM's were coming out surprisingly fast, actually too fast for me to figure out which one I liked best.
I began to see that the developers threads were getting cluttered up with silly, often repeated questions, so I created a support thread to help lessen the load for the devs. I know it wasn't a perfect solution, but I helped build a small team of people who have been incredibly helpful so far, who I am beyond impressed with.
Now comes the bad part. Even my support thread, originally designed to avoid clutter, has become a landfill of lazy people who don't look for the answer to their question which has been asked and answered 30 times already.
All the devs have been subjected to so much bs that they are afraid to even release their work. Everyone flames everyone like crazy, but none of you guys can help the community. I am disgusted by most of your behaviors, and hope that you see how childish your arguments are.
Now, for my point: this community is still young, and we have accomplished so much already. We have the chance to have one of the strongest development teams out there, and a kick-ass community, in which we look out for each other's best interest.
I would like to propose a way to get things started again: we need a campaign to delete clutter/flame.
Neo works hard, but we need to help him out. Everyone, I urge you to look through your posts, find bad ones, and mark them in some way to be deleted. This is in order to resuscitate this potentially unbeatable community.
Thank you all, and I hope you understand my intentions
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App
rohit3192 said:
i am sure that neo will close this thread as this is not required.
Moderator's(Neo) intervention was required as gtg's thread was going out of control.
as after his intervention members have started behaving themselves and Neo has removed/locked unnecessary threads this forum is at peace.
let the dead bury the dead and do not remind people again of what happened.
plz ask Neo to close this thread.
Just post relevant stuff and that is sufficient for everybody.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, thanks for sharing your opinion with me in a respectful manner. However, I feel that the issue is not yet resolved, and the general forum is definitely the appropriate place to post it. The development is virtually at a standstill and I am not talking about gtg, but the other devs and would be devs who are now discouraged. I find that although your response was polite, it was completely inappropriate, especially considering what my original post stated. If you have an issue with my posts please message in private as opposed to calling me out/ racking up your post count.
Corvette Dave said:
Good post!
We need to be able to rule ourselves or somebody else will!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you for your support! I appreciate it.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
I doubt the devs read half the crap, and know that most if the quiet folks really enjoy there work, and in no means are they scared to
release there work, but rather punish and don't release, which its necessary to shut alt of people up, can always find them on irc
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App
I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
NeoS2007 said:
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Neo just as you posted this I was editing my post in this thread.
I was concerned that this thread doesn't become a place for blaming other members or finding faults of others.as long as this stands for supporting devs my vote is there.
Right now I think forum is going well
NeoS2007 said:
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App
I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using XDA Premium App
nash2000 said:
I am guilty of posting topics that I know have been disgust before, the issue that I have and others I'm sure is that the search feature from the app seems to search the entire forum. I think it would be great if a filter feature could be added.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I will flag this to our admins, so it can be looked into. Thanks for your feedback.
jayson94538 said:
I wasn't aware that there was a Q&A forum until you mentioned it. I'm using the xda app and have the SAMSUNG Infuse 4g as my favorite, but within that category, the Q&A forum isn't listed. I clicked onto the forum tab and scrolled till I found the Q&A forum. Yeah people can search for it, but I wasn't even aware that forum existed. I just suggest adding the forum into the Infuse 4g category. I think there will be less questions asked in the wrong section if it was listed.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My app shows the Q&A section. But it didn't until I reinstalled. Had to reinstall it after I put CM7 on.
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
apallohadas said:
To get the new subforum to show on the app you have to re-add the infuse forum to your favorites.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Sent from my Infuse using my fingers.
ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Sent from my Infuse using my fingers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Heh well that worked. Thank you.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA App
NeoS2007 said:
I'm glad you guys are willing to help out in getting this show on the road. This can only be done by helpful members, especially the ones who read the rules and abide by them.
I think the main issue at hand is that people tend to speak their mind too often, in situations where a moderator should intervene. The best course of action is to report a post or PM a mod (for the Infuse, that's me ) and let them know what's going on.
I'm not on the board 24/7, so I too can miss stuff. But there are ALWAYS other mods who look after the Infuse forums when I can't, so reporting is the BEST thing you can do.
About "rebooting" the community: People are already getting annoyed by the lazy, demanding types, who don't use the search and just post another question which has been asked a million times before. Well, at least if it's in the Q&A forum, it's controlled. So that's our main focus for now: get people to ask their questions there, instead of the development or general forums.
This thread can stay open, as long as it's constructive criticism. All ideas are welcome, as long as it helps us out, right?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for your support. Is there a way we could mark our bad posts to be deleted without reporting ourselves?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
I think alot of people like myself are new android users. I knew nothing 3 months ago about Android then I got the infuse my first smartphone which seems like its a lot of peoples first android. So I admit I posted questions then went and found the answer when I got no replies. I think people just need to understand that this is very fresh for a lot of people. It was ridiculous on gtg's post but on the other hand people got so angry at othrs that knew very little.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997R using XDA Premium App
ZeroIsntTheHero said:
Indeed. Unsubscribe and then resubscribe.
Sent from my Infuse using my fingers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You don't even have to unsubscribe just subscribe again (referring to the xda app)
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using XDA Premium App
And I think another reason why we see a lot of similar topics being posted especially regarding support is because new users (like myself) feel we need support about our specific situation, even tho we may have already read a similar thrend. Its happened to me were I posted help and either ill get a smart reply ie "its been posted 10 times already" or they may reply with a link. The link will be exactly what I've already read but, the thrend doesn't 100% pertain to my situation so I'm afraid I may mess up even more if I follow those steps (its actually already happened,my first brick) This is why we may see a lot of repeat thrends. I usually will encourage my support giver to pm me but I hardly receive any.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using XDA Premium App
Why not have a separate section for rom support? I realize that sounds goofy but in the rom thread could be development related questions and in support section help and tech support?
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I997 using XDA App
Well, xda-developers is for... DEVELOPERS. Although most people on xda are in it for the custom roms and leeching of apps.
I agree there should be some kind of a "noob sandbox" where new users can ask their questions and get answers from more seasoned users/devs. But how do you guys propose we do that?
This community here has been strong, informative and helpful to many Hox users. IMO, it has also been used to flame, disrespect, and challenge personal opinions in several threads. I myself have fallen into this pit. I just wanted everyone to read a thread posted in the EVO LTE forums from a person whom not only fell into this pit himself, but recognized it and publically corrected himself to better bring back his community. Im not implying anything against the Hox community, but just hope it can serve as an example, that we stand stronger united and can/will accomplish much more as individual minds coming together. Not individuals thinking a mind. Please click the link below, to read how this xda member noted his closed mindness, and forfeited it for the good of his community.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29136185
With this said, there are great feats still to be accomplished for the Hox devices. Let's all put our 2 cents in where we can, put away the other 98, and make these feats into accomplishments!!
............My EVO Ways...........
(You Can S-Off For All I Care)
Thank you for acknowledging that we can all do better here. We many times don't have the patience to help out others. I know I don't post all the time in the forums but I read alot and find that people want to attack and take offence, putting everyone out. I like coming here and hope we can continue the great development and improving our devices.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
Agreed. I was a victim of that for my very first post. I was GRILLED for not searching first when I actually did. Beings I didn't know my way around the threads and it was my 3 day old first android phone. Ppl are looking to learn, receive help, and also give help when able to. Nobody comes here asking to be bashed on or fussed at like a kid. Ill quote all of my reachers when i was in school, "theres no stupid question as long as you're thirsting for knowledge" Let's stick together and help each other out to make it a more enjoyable experience in the forums and also in your android device!!
sent from my fire breathing HTC OneXL using xda-developers app
You also have to understand the flip side of the coin. People come here and start threads to ask the same basic questions that people have answered 500 times already. Questions that would have been easily answered in 10 seconds had they done a search first. Its frustrating.
Yes, there are no stupid questions. Yes we were all noobs at one point. Part of learning is figuring basic out things yourself by doing some research though.
Beamed from my KingCobra1X powered HOXL on Rogers.
GibMcFragger said:
You also have to understand the flip side of the coin. People come here and start threads to ask the same basic questions that people have answered 500 times already. Questions that would have been easily answered in 10 seconds had they done a search first. Its frustrating.
Yes, there are no stupid questions. Yes we were all noobs at one point. Part of learning is figuring basic out things yourself by doing some research though.
Beamed from my KingCobra1X powered HOXL on Rogers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed 100%. There are a million threads that could have been avoided simply by SEARCHING. If you can navigate to XDA using your browser, you have the skills necessary to use the search function. People are just lazy and don't want to do any reading, they'd rather someone just respond with an answer. Super annoying, my .02.
GibMcFragger said:
You also have to understand the flip side of the coin. People come here and start threads to ask the same basic questions that people have answered 500 times already. Questions that would have been easily answered in 10 seconds had they done a search first. Its frustrating.
Yes, there are no stupid questions. Yes we were all noobs at one point. Part of learning is figuring basic out things yourself by doing some research though.
Beamed from my KingCobra1X powered HOXL on Rogers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This. It is painfully evident when people don't search even though they say they do when and that's when I'll come in with a snarky post. You can't tell me you searched for the method to root 1.85 when there is a STICKY with the procedure in development, and 4 other threads on the first two pages of Q+A asking the same question, with people providing answers. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you want me to put forth some effort into helping you, you must put forth the effort to help yourself first.
That all said, if it shows that you did do some research but still need some clarification on a few things, you betcha I will be willing to help to the best of my ability. I may be an asshole sometimes, but I am actually a really nice guy and I do enjoy helping people out. Just don't start our e-relationship on a lie ("I searched, I swear!") and we'll get along famously.
Training noobs, snarky fun posts, they help teach and make xda a fun place. Mostly, I'm referring to the heated debates, and hateful posts that have crippled some of our unreplacable threads and formed hatefulness between members. By all means, I love when an opportunity arises for me to get a few people to laugh, please, keep them coming when you see fit
............My EVO Ways...........
(You Can S-Off For All I Care)
I agree that there are times where a lot of us get really upset and lose our cool. And that we should try to keep that to a minimum.
But this isn't exactly a forum for extremely basic questions at the same time, even though we all have some from time to time, there are tons of other forums like that though. And some people are obviously trolling too ("HTC done it wrong" guy, lol....)
The only thing that ticks me off about this community are the "should I get a galaxy s3" threads. No one cares. This is an enthusiast forum for the HOX. If you want to talk gs3 go over there.
If this was a BMW enthusiast forum you would be flamed to hell if you wrote a topic like "should I switch to a mustang?".
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
XDA was a great place even when I joined during the GS1 era. However, it slowly turned into turned to crap with the success Android garnered though. Aside from the flame bait or post-purchase rationalization threads, the general user of this forum feels the developers OWE it to the users to make their devices better, for free. Not even joking. There were some people who expressed that in their posts in the Nexus S forums. Then there are the people who don't even bother to read instructions or stickies and when they brick their device they blame the developers. I like to help people as much as the next guy once being a noob myself, but it ain't fun when I answer the same question I know I answered last week.
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
arnelolavides said:
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honestly I think its a great idea, won't stop everyone from posting in the wrong place but we could direct them to that thread. I also think that thread, if created should have a resource bible as well.... great idea!!
Sent from my One X using xda app-developers app
rpomponio said:
Honestly I think its a great idea, won't stop everyone from posting in the wrong place but we could direct them to that thread. I also think that thread, if created should have a resource bible as well.... great idea!!
Sent from my One X using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yes..thats what im thinking too..i myself did go to the Dev thread when i had my first Android Galaxy Spica..never bothered to look in the Q&A or General Section..and like most newbies also had been kicked and slap with rude words from other members..
So Mods reading this..please consider sumthing like this..it would be beneficial to the whole community..again..thanks for all the talent in this community.:thumbup:
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
arnelolavides said:
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not going to help the numerous people who don't search, don't read, and don't even look at the thread titles before posting their problems.
iElvis said:
Not going to help the numerous people who don't search, don't read, and don't even look at the thread titles before posting their problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But a link to the helpful thread could be provided and the thread the noob started could be closed. I'm in support of it.
Sent from my HTC One X
Reamer09 said:
But a link to the helpful thread could be provided and the thread the noob started could be closed. I'm in support of it.
Sent from my HTC One X
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
These are my same thoughts.
Sent from my HTC One X using xda premium
Gunnyman, what are u doin', floating
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
arnelolavides said:
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
Sent from my HTC One X using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
People will say "No one ever answers anything there" Same thing happens with the Q&A now as well...
Seriously though, what pushed my buttons was the whole HOX vs whatever. watch a damn dogfight or go to cnet... lol
iElvis said:
Not going to help the numerous people who don't search, don't read, and don't even look at the thread titles before posting their problems.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. plus we do have quite a few comprehensive noobs guides already in place, but you need to be willing to read...
How many times do you see a question asked that was answered just a few posts prior within the same thread.
I applaud the vast majority of devs we have here for their patience for not getting pissed off when their thread gets completely derailed...
I'm by no means an expert but I do a lot of reading and I learn a lot of things, for the vast majority it's all here...
Just read...
---------- Post added at 11:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:28 PM ----------
18th.abn said:
Gunnyman, what are u doin', floating
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
looking for his lost IMEI on sgs3 :laugh:
Crappyvate said:
Agreed. plus we do have quite a few comprehensive noobs guides already in place, but you need to be willing to read...
How many times do you see a question asked that was answered just a few posts prior within the same thread.
I applaud the vast majority of devs we have here for their patience for not getting pissed off when their thread gets completely derailed...
I'm by no means an expert but I do a lot of reading and I learn a lot of things, for the vast majority it's all here...
Just read...
---------- Post added at 11:29 PM ---------- Previous post was at 11:28 PM ----------
looking for his lost IMEI on sgs3 :laugh:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
My imei is just fine. Thanks
I have been a member for some time now and xda mods and users are insane. We are losing people to other forums due to the fact whenever a person asks a question he is flamed by mods and other users ex. Wrong section search before you ask Wtf if someone has a question answer them. Half the time a user downloads a Rom and messes up there phone and they start to bug out cause they think they ****ed up there phone beoynd fixing and then they ask how to fix it and get told you are in wrong section and to use the search function (which sux I might add)They are coming here because we have the knowledge to help them. They are not coming here to get a attitude. Some of the users will help them but for the few that give them a hard time , think about if the shoe was on the other foot and you rude people needed help with something would you want someone to give u **** for asking a question. This was one of the best forums about 5 years ago now its not so great. That's just my 2 cents and I know I am posting in the wrong section. But that is what mods are for to move it into the right section, back in the day a mod would kindly say I moved your thread to this section end of story,with no flame and no need to make the poster feel like a ass
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
I was a complete noob only about 2 months ago, and I don't think it's too much to ask noobs to follow explicitly stated forum rules. People answering questions are doing that out of their own free will, donating their time, energy, and knowledge. And though moving threads is one of a mod's roles, they are donating time as well. We have no right to expect help or time from others, especially when we don't follow rules made to make XDA a more productive and useful place.
For example, it's a courtesy to devs to keep their threads clean, so they can figure out bugs and dev hints quickly and easily without sifting through junk. It lets them figure out problems faster and, therefore, makes it easier for them to dev the ROMs we all use. And even in the general forums, people don't want to see and answer the same vague and/or general question (eg. Which is the best ROM) once a week.
I obviously wasn't here 5 years ago, but I bet there were fewer people then, so there were fewer noobs and, therefore, fewer noob questions, so there were fewer people exasperated with noob questions, and therefore fewer noob answers. So that makes sense.
I want to make clear that I don't condone rudeness on the Internet any ore than elsewhere, but as long as no one is being actually rude, I don't think it's out of line for members to tell noobs to follow forum rules made for everyone's benefit.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812464
tell me this mod is not rude all someone had to do was post a link for this person this is what made me post this non sense . Not to single out this mod cause its not just him or her a good amount of the xda community acts this way. I see this all the time .
Whatever
I am just saying
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
insanenyc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812464
tell me this mod is not rude all someone had to do was post a link for this person this is what made me post this non sense . Not to single out this mod cause its not just him or her a good amount of the xda community acts this way. I see this all the time .
Whatever
I am just saying
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
To me, those responses seem perfectly justified. If the OP had simply looked at the Ace Think Tank thread, he would have found a clear, nicely formatted, step by step way to fix his problem. It's not members' responsibility to post him a link; it's his own responsibility to find information already so nicely created, packaged and placed, explicitly for noobs, for him to read.
Great devs have left because of these assholes sadly.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA Premium HD app
Rules are meant to be followed. If you're too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. You're given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
Gizmoe said:
Rules are meant to be followed. If your too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. Your given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There's a video? Hahahahaa.... I read the rules.. only if I would have known.
Sent from a dream.
Yes there's a video because there's 4859572958352858.5 rules and you should know each and every one. You don't do it when buying a car but dammit you better read the terms and conditions of this forum. Soon enough you'll have to print em, sign in triplicate and mail in before posting.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA Premium HD app
joe3681 said:
Yes there's a video because there's 4859572958352858.5 rules and you should know each and every one. You don't do it when buying a car but dammit you better read the terms and conditions of this forum. Soon enough you'll have to print em, sign in triplicate and mail in before posting.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using XDA Premium HD app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That would be excellent! Just kidding. But most of the rules are pretty much common sense. Don't post in a forum clearly labeled for developers if you aren't a developer, don't ask questions that have already been answered, and dont be vague when asking for help.
I agree with people doing there own research, it does take time with trying to search for things, the first time I rooted took me 3-4 hours just to search and make sure I wasn't going to mess anything up. Then when I wanted a custom rom it was easy breezy because I knew the terms. Id still consider myself a noob, everyone's a noob in my book cause they learn everyday if theyel weren't whenever roms come out they wouldn't have any bugs or glitches...but they do and therefore they learn how to fix it.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
I realize that to but no everyone does it
Sorry for my english
Gizmoe said:
Rules are meant to be followed. If your too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. Your given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're as in you are. Not your. Man if you only read the dictionary jkjk. I agree SOME people may get mad and post inappropriate things but you have to read the rules and understand everything before posting. Instead of posting I search. I am on the app and I'm aware that searching isn't the best for the app BUT do you forget we have a browser on our phone as well as Google its not that they wake up and say "hey, today I think I'm going to troll Gizmoe(or said name) and be rude instead of answering". Its not their job to walk you through something if the answers there. I've had my own fights and misunderstandings on here with members but in the end they were right because I didn't read everything 114% so read before asking. And read again before asking. The devs are amazing at what they do and they don't need the stress of answering more questions then needed. The search bar is there for a reason. Take advantage of it. Or they may just go "here's said app/rom/theme/other use it." Thanks for listening and take the advice. READ AND RESEARCH <3 have a wonderful day.
Sent from my My Device® using xda premium
toxicpaulution said:
You're as in you are. Not your. Man if you only read the dictionary jkjk. I agree SOME people may get mad and post inappropriate things but you have to read the rules and understand everything before posting. Instead of posting I search. I am on the app and I'm aware that searching isn't the best for the app BUT do you forget we have a browser on our phone as well as Google its not that they wake up and say "hey, today I think I'm going to troll Gizmoe(or said name) and be rude instead of answering". Its not their job to walk you through something if the answers there. I've had my own fights and misunderstandings on here with members but in the end they were right because I didn't read everything 114% so read before asking. And read again before asking. The devs are amazing at what they do and they don't need the stress of answering more questions then needed. The search bar is there for a reason. Take advantage of it. Or they may just go "here's said app/rom/theme/other use it." Thanks for listening and take the advice. READ AND RESEARCH <3 have a wonderful day.
Sent from my My Device® using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lol. You and your "you're". I will use you're from now on if it bothers you so much. Jk. .
Sent from my Desire HD using xda premium
It bugs me to no end. You have no idea. Everytime I said you're I say you are in my head. plus writing papers with counted words you need to make sure you use the you are because its two words instead of one haha
Sent from my My Device® using xda premium
Yea most people are jerks but if they weren't then all the noobs would be asking the same question over and over again. It's not hard if you research. When I was a noob I researched and when I was ready to root I researched more just incase anything bad would happen. People are just lazy and don't take the time to research.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
boss man Kole said:
Yea most people are jerks but if they weren't then all the noobs would be asking the same question over and over again. It's not hard if you research. When I was a noob I researched and when I was ready to root I researched more just incase anything bad would happen. People are just lazy and don't take the time to research.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1
Sent from a dream.
This thread is a waste
kevintmr said:
This thread is a waste
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
For someone who's new you should really learn how to either voice your opinions eloquently or refrain from them altogether.
It is better that the user voiced his opinion so that a discussion could start to be able to clear any possible misconceptions or if so were the case, for the comunity to improve where it is lacking.
Sent from a dream.
insanenyc said:
I have been a member for some time now and xda mods and users are insane. We are losing people to other forums due to the fact whenever a person asks a question he is flamed by mods and other users ex. Wrong section search before you ask Wtf if someone has a question answer them. Half the time a user downloads a Rom and messes up there phone and they start to bug out cause they think they ****ed up there phone beoynd fixing and then they ask how to fix it and get told you are in wrong section and to use the search function (which sux I might add)They are coming here because we have the knowledge to help them. They are not coming here to get a attitude. Some of the users will help them but for the few that give them a hard time , think about if the shoe was on the other foot and you rude people needed help with something would you want someone to give u **** for asking a question. This was one of the best forums about 5 years ago now its not so great. That's just my 2 cents and I know I am posting in the wrong section. But that is what mods are for to move it into the right section, back in the day a mod would kindly say I moved your thread to this section end of story,with no flame and no need to make the poster feel like a ass
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think that perhaps you have missed the idea that this is a DEV's forum and not an Android 101 one. That means that you can get help if you do what you are supposed to, which is read, do research and then ask. If you mess your phone and you don´t have a clue of what you have done, you can blame no one for that. Belive me I have helped lots of people and even have writen guides and tutorials on how to sort the most common issues, but you usually find people asking the same questions without even doing a simple search. If you are willing to be part of a forum then you should comply with the rules. From the links you provided I don´t see nobody being rude but realistic. If you don´t know what you are doing or the risk that you are facing, then you should refrain from doing it instead of coming here and blame the tools and dev's.
The DEV's that have left XDA, at least in the case I am aware of, was not for everybody being rude, but for the moderators editing his comments to users. The real and annoying reason is to be dealing with noobs thinking dev's owe them answers and support and getting mad when they face reality.
Let me clear something up I was not saying that anyone was rude to me. I have been here long enough that I know what I can ask and what I have to search for on my own. I was referring to the way new people are treated for asking questions.
Sent from my Inspire 4G using xda app-developers app