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Stop being rude

I love XDA. I learned how to root my first phone and continue to find my ROMs and mods here. I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place. When I first started my rooting experience, I wouldn't have made it without the community here. However, with that being said, I took a lot of flack asking questions in the wrong section or asking questions that were TOO simple. I still see it. Continuously. Worse than before. So, to you, those of whom I speak, I send a msg.
Stop being know-it-alls and dicks and ass holes! YOUR NOT COOL! Talking all big and smart on a forum? Where you'll never see or have physical contact with those you pick on? Yea, there ya go....... Maybe you are cool.......... Hmm? No, your not.
I know this post will go unheeded and I'm sure ill receive the flack myself. I usually just ignore the negativity but I saw a post earlier that really bothered me. I can only imagine the difficulty in keeping this place friendly and my own post may go against my msg, but it had to be said.
P.S. Hey dicks, stop being dicks.
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I'm not trying to be classified as one of the people which you're speaking about, but it is annoying to see things that obviously are in the wrong section. Example, this thread's title is a question, so it should be in the Q&A section.
Another thing is when users ask questions when it has been discussed many times before and they did not use the search feature.
Bottom-line, it's annoying. That's why some people get rude.
EDIT: Now this is my view and opinion on the subject you brought up, don't get angry and start slurring hateful things just because someone sees things differently than you.
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Its the phone I guess. I never saw that many jerks on all the other forums I visited in the past.
Pathetic...

Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Your edit seemed designed to try and bring out anger and slurs. It usually does.
Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. The subject heading is in the form of a question, but this is more of a general discussion. Thats my intent anyway. Again, its opinion and how its expressed is what's important. Also, is it a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
A new user wouldn't be accustomed to the layout and the strict demands of some users. Thats what I consider understandable ignorance.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Crooke356 said:
Opinions are great. They are a must. I have no problem with them whatsoever. How they are expressed though, that is what is a problem. Lol, my point exactly! Which area is correct? You think q&a, I think general fits best. Again, its opinion and how its presented. Also, is a big enough deal to make a fuss over, or is just someone looking to be mean.
The comment that got to me was in the SG3 forum. Although I check out the Nexus, Rezound and skyrocket forums often and see the same thing.
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Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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Your right. I know I'm being naive, but I'm hoping that by posting this, some might see it and take it easy.
The rude things I said, were in the hope that I could draw the angry posters in here and then turn them on to calm discussion. Again, naive, I know. But id like to come on here and read through the posts instead of going straight to the links for my downloads.
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I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Crooke356 said:
I'm looking through the general thread and although the topics may not be in the form of a question, the actual discussions are.
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Sorry, what I was explaining before was specific to your thread.
You are correct though, if the content within the thread is a question, it should be in the Q&A.
I think most users that post questions in the General section are new, and don't know their way around. Anytime I see a question, I promptly tell them there is a Q&A section, the try to help.
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What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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_MetalHead_ said:
What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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That's a great point with which I agree.
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This issue comes from people coming here thinking it is a support forum when it is far from that. This is a development forum which means you ARE expected to put in the time to research issues before posting. This seldom happens and people get flamed. While I don't allow people to go off on new people I don't overly blame them. When i joined XDA I knew better then asking a question before I spent at least 2 hours searching and reading. If I did I was flamed to the high heavens and made to feel like I didn't belong. Which of course I didn't. Not until I learned what a development forum was all about.
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'I couldn't imagine owning an android without this place'
Couldn't agree more.
Mods can move threads and people can use the search function, so everyone can contribute to easing this issue.

_MetalHead_ said:
What gets me is when people say "sorry if this has been asked but I searched everywhere and couldn't find an answer" when they clearly didn't do a search. Especially when their question is such a common one that it was asked and answered in 4 other threads that day. As someone who spends a lot of time on xda, and a lot of time going out of my way to answer questions for people, I find it very annoying and borderline insulting. Don't lie and say you searched when I know you didnt. This is generally the only time I will reply in a snarky manner.
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Just ignore the question then your not required to answer ..if u have nothing nice to say then don't say anything at all ..but I do know how you feel ..either way I still just politely answer their question because if I was in their shoes I'd want someone responding to me politely ..its a forum not a YouTube comment section lol
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Whats pretty odd/annoying is that there always a "I BRICKED MY PHONE!!!!" thread here on General at least once a week. Whats even more annoying is that most of the OP's have common phones (Galaxy series, HTC's and so on) that there is a 90% chance that it has a device forum, Mine doesnt have one, so I havent rooted it yet, But even with these people, I still love XDA forums! (even if im probably the only one that likes Apple)

People here seem to be barely suppressing buttfrustration. Let the butthurt flow through you.
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agree with both sides of the discussion.
however IMO, if you end up replying to a thread saying:
" noob, use the search feature man!!" or "-devs please move/lock thread"
the effort you spent typing out that ****, you could have simply answered the OP's question/help or whatever, am i wrong?
sometimes i see a question from a newbie that basically can be answered in 1 or 2 sentences but instead all i see is "use the search-feature, omg what a noob. do you not see the search button? devs lock thread plz".
yeah i understand if the OP could be trolling and or his post is tl;dr but to reject/flame even the simplest of things is absurd IMO.

Sometimes people do search but get no results.
At least if you're posting using tapatalk that is, have also had this problem using the website interface, as the search feature for xda often has days where it just returns no results and I have to try searching xda using google.
So it is possible some people genuinely did search and yet find nothing and so they post and risk getting picked on for doing so.
However I've only had problems at xda from die hard fanboys (of all platforms), in general most people at xda are very helpful and most rudeness comes from people who think they are superior and forget they were not always so well versed in the use of their preferred platform.
Those who want to be obnoxious will always be that way, but then if you're using a forum you have to expect idiots and not let them get to you so much.
At the end of the day it's just an idiot being big behind a screen and a username to boost their sense of superiority, it's sad they feel the need to do so but those that do will carry on regardless so all that can be done is to see them for who they are and not let them get to you.
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KayxGee1 said:
Despite the general topic, it should be in the Q&A because it is being shown as a question.
Also, some people are just like that. You know how people get behind a screen. I do agree though, a lot of users on hear feel as if because they're knowledgable in something they act as if they're on a higher level than others. That's not right, and is unfair for those just trying to get help and learn. Instead that person is hit with flaming from all directions by tech hipsters.
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I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.

lowandbehold said:
I do not agree with this one bit. Just because a topic has a question mark, it does not belong in Q&A. Q&A is for topics that the user genuinely needs an answer, not for a topic that has no definitive answer and is meant to spark conversation.
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From what I see, the two main questions are always asked in the General section.
1. What phone should I get?
2. Can someone help me with this device?
Those are flat out questions. Even though some maybe have a more broad spectrum of answers that can become a general conversation, it is still a question, regardless of how simplistic the question is.
EDIT: That's just my view I guess. You have a point though, and some topic do start general conversations.
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Brief synopsis on basic rules and how to help the community

Hey everyone!
I have seen some things lately that really are bugging me, and I am hoping that we can fix this fast.
1) If you have a question and you want to post, please do a search in this forum first BEFORE you post!
2) Please EVERYONE, even if you have over a thousand posts and many thanks, READ THE RULES:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1058
3) If you do a search and find something close enough to your problem, but not quite the same, then please try posting in that thread first and not create another new one.
4) STOP posting and asking about ICS twice a day in a new thread every time.
5) If you ask a question and several people give an answer, attempt it, before you jump back and tell them that thier answer is not what you are looking for. I have seen this all too much lately, and I am getting fed up. Those of us on here that have the knowledge and we give our time freely on here, so show some respect.
6) Don't hijack someone else's thread because there are a lot of people looking at it, and not the one that you posted. This shows a lack of respect to all of us here.
There have been a TON of these things going on in here, and I have seen how many of our more senior users are getting very frustrated just like I am. If you want to keep getting good answers from the knowledgeable people in here, do some research first on your own before making a new post with incorrect information, and please listen and try to think about these things once you are given an answer, and don't just throw it out because it is not what you expected to get.
Also Please thank anyone who gives you an answer to you, even if you don't like it. And stop posting thank you posts, that is what the the thanks button is for.
One last thing, I think everyone should watch this video and hopefully you will get the point. This one is more for people with less than 50 posts, and little contribution.
XDA n00b video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

I may sound silly, but sticky this!
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Someone sticky this please..
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Well put. Thanks for doing this.
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Thanks guys, I am hoping we can just start linking this in all the posts that are like this from now on, so that we don't have to repeat ourselves constantly.

Well said Jim, as always. We have got to get this under control, and hopefully this will help. It's appreciated sir.

Sir, I refer you to Forum Rules, subsection 3;
"Post only using a clear SUBJECT and message". [Editorial usage of caps not found in original]
... Oh come on, it's a joke.
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Jim,
Thanks for taking the time to write this up. Hopefully, things will change. Did I miss something, though? I mean, was there a massive solar flare within the last couple of days thats caused people's brains to get fried? Noobs and members arguing, acting passive aggressively, disrespectfully, and stubbornly when other members or senior members try to steer them in the right direction? The whole attitude of this forum lately has become argumentative and hostile, albeit some of that stems from member's and senior member's frustrations with others not wanting to take a few minutes and a few simple steps in finding out answers on their own before muddying up the forum with new threads on previously discussed topics. It really needs to be stopped, and at the risk of sounding like a total prick, I may start reporting members who fail to adhere to the forum's rules and request a 24 hour suspension if I keep seeing it. We're all grown folk here, we need to act it by respecting others, and playing by the rules...
(Rant over)
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I've been meaning to do this, but I knew it would cause me to go on a rant. Nice post, it should be stickied

Most of us are too lazy to go through the rules, but this is to the point, this should be stickied and even then someone posts a silly question, it should be simply ignored.
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ri4naire said:
Sir, I refer you to Forum Rules, subsection 3;
"Post only using a clear SUBJECT and message". [Editorial usage of caps not found in original]
... Oh come on, it's a joke.
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ROFLMAO..... I actually was crying a little I laughed so hard.... thanks!
I was hoping the title would get some attention.
P.S. anyone that wants this to be a sticky please notify a mod.... I would, but it is my post, so that is kind of a no-no...

So can I flash ICS from China leak to my att atrix 2 LOL HAHA ..... +1 Thanks Jim well put.....

Jim, this is quite nice & I really appreciate when senior members respect Forum Rules by Mike - 2.1 & 2.5 & 10 besides the core stuff of course....I guess if someone is a repeat offender then yeah it would be no fun, Au contraire (i guess i don't get pulled up for using french) it would really make anyone who is not technically adept as Senior members think twice before even wanting to write in, in-spite after doing a search but has a different view or a question. In this case if majority of the members who yet feel the thread or post needs to be closed then yeah I guess MOD needs to be notified. I recall how you gave me some pointers on a much talked about topic & oh yes having a way of words surely helps all concerned.

Jim, I thought it was a shame yesterday when you were working so hard to bring us ICS and some guy called you an A-hole because he felt you should personally walk him through an install. It seems like more and more people think they are special/entitled.

Atrix 2 Wiki ?
Hi there, do we have a page for Atrix 2 where we could find all useful section like root methods, roms etc.
I know we have one for Defy (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Defy). Would be glad if we could have the same for Atrix 2.
Please let me know if there is already a page. I have searched but couldn't find it.
Edit: The link is there but its empty (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_II)
Regards,
Vikram

vsoni said:
Hi there, do we have a page for Atrix 2 where we could find all useful section like root methods, roms etc.
I know we have one for Defy (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Defy). Would be glad if we could have the same for Atrix 2.
Please let me know if there is already a page. I have searched but couldn't find it.
Edit: The link is there but its empty (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_II)
Regards,
Vikram
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All you have to do is peruse the development section.
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[Apology] Bring the Hox Community Together

This community here has been strong, informative and helpful to many Hox users. IMO, it has also been used to flame, disrespect, and challenge personal opinions in several threads. I myself have fallen into this pit. I just wanted everyone to read a thread posted in the EVO LTE forums from a person whom not only fell into this pit himself, but recognized it and publically corrected himself to better bring back his community. Im not implying anything against the Hox community, but just hope it can serve as an example, that we stand stronger united and can/will accomplish much more as individual minds coming together. Not individuals thinking a mind. Please click the link below, to read how this xda member noted his closed mindness, and forfeited it for the good of his community.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=29136185
With this said, there are great feats still to be accomplished for the Hox devices. Let's all put our 2 cents in where we can, put away the other 98, and make these feats into accomplishments!!
............My EVO Ways...........
(You Can S-Off For All I Care)

Thank you for acknowledging that we can all do better here. We many times don't have the patience to help out others. I know I don't post all the time in the forums but I read alot and find that people want to attack and take offence, putting everyone out. I like coming here and hope we can continue the great development and improving our devices.
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Agreed. I was a victim of that for my very first post. I was GRILLED for not searching first when I actually did. Beings I didn't know my way around the threads and it was my 3 day old first android phone. Ppl are looking to learn, receive help, and also give help when able to. Nobody comes here asking to be bashed on or fussed at like a kid. Ill quote all of my reachers when i was in school, "theres no stupid question as long as you're thirsting for knowledge" Let's stick together and help each other out to make it a more enjoyable experience in the forums and also in your android device!!
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You also have to understand the flip side of the coin. People come here and start threads to ask the same basic questions that people have answered 500 times already. Questions that would have been easily answered in 10 seconds had they done a search first. Its frustrating.
Yes, there are no stupid questions. Yes we were all noobs at one point. Part of learning is figuring basic out things yourself by doing some research though.
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GibMcFragger said:
You also have to understand the flip side of the coin. People come here and start threads to ask the same basic questions that people have answered 500 times already. Questions that would have been easily answered in 10 seconds had they done a search first. Its frustrating.
Yes, there are no stupid questions. Yes we were all noobs at one point. Part of learning is figuring basic out things yourself by doing some research though.
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Agreed 100%. There are a million threads that could have been avoided simply by SEARCHING. If you can navigate to XDA using your browser, you have the skills necessary to use the search function. People are just lazy and don't want to do any reading, they'd rather someone just respond with an answer. Super annoying, my .02.

GibMcFragger said:
You also have to understand the flip side of the coin. People come here and start threads to ask the same basic questions that people have answered 500 times already. Questions that would have been easily answered in 10 seconds had they done a search first. Its frustrating.
Yes, there are no stupid questions. Yes we were all noobs at one point. Part of learning is figuring basic out things yourself by doing some research though.
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This. It is painfully evident when people don't search even though they say they do when and that's when I'll come in with a snarky post. You can't tell me you searched for the method to root 1.85 when there is a STICKY with the procedure in development, and 4 other threads on the first two pages of Q+A asking the same question, with people providing answers. Sorry, but I don't buy it. If you want me to put forth some effort into helping you, you must put forth the effort to help yourself first.
That all said, if it shows that you did do some research but still need some clarification on a few things, you betcha I will be willing to help to the best of my ability. I may be an asshole sometimes, but I am actually a really nice guy and I do enjoy helping people out. Just don't start our e-relationship on a lie ("I searched, I swear!") and we'll get along famously.

Training noobs, snarky fun posts, they help teach and make xda a fun place. Mostly, I'm referring to the heated debates, and hateful posts that have crippled some of our unreplacable threads and formed hatefulness between members. By all means, I love when an opportunity arises for me to get a few people to laugh, please, keep them coming when you see fit
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I agree that there are times where a lot of us get really upset and lose our cool. And that we should try to keep that to a minimum.
But this isn't exactly a forum for extremely basic questions at the same time, even though we all have some from time to time, there are tons of other forums like that though. And some people are obviously trolling too ("HTC done it wrong" guy, lol....)

The only thing that ticks me off about this community are the "should I get a galaxy s3" threads. No one cares. This is an enthusiast forum for the HOX. If you want to talk gs3 go over there.
If this was a BMW enthusiast forum you would be flamed to hell if you wrote a topic like "should I switch to a mustang?".
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XDA was a great place even when I joined during the GS1 era. However, it slowly turned into turned to crap with the success Android garnered though. Aside from the flame bait or post-purchase rationalization threads, the general user of this forum feels the developers OWE it to the users to make their devices better, for free. Not even joking. There were some people who expressed that in their posts in the Nexus S forums. Then there are the people who don't even bother to read instructions or stickies and when they brick their device they blame the developers. I like to help people as much as the next guy once being a noob myself, but it ain't fun when I answer the same question I know I answered last week.

Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
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arnelolavides said:
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
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Honestly I think its a great idea, won't stop everyone from posting in the wrong place but we could direct them to that thread. I also think that thread, if created should have a resource bible as well.... great idea!!
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rpomponio said:
Honestly I think its a great idea, won't stop everyone from posting in the wrong place but we could direct them to that thread. I also think that thread, if created should have a resource bible as well.... great idea!!
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Yes..thats what im thinking too..i myself did go to the Dev thread when i had my first Android Galaxy Spica..never bothered to look in the Q&A or General Section..and like most newbies also had been kicked and slap with rude words from other members..
So Mods reading this..please consider sumthing like this..it would be beneficial to the whole community..again..thanks for all the talent in this community.:thumbup:
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arnelolavides said:
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
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Not going to help the numerous people who don't search, don't read, and don't even look at the thread titles before posting their problems.

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Not going to help the numerous people who don't search, don't read, and don't even look at the thread titles before posting their problems.
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But a link to the helpful thread could be provided and the thread the noob started could be closed. I'm in support of it.
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Reamer09 said:
But a link to the helpful thread could be provided and the thread the noob started could be closed. I'm in support of it.
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These are my same thoughts.
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Gunnyman, what are u doin', floating
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arnelolavides said:
Why don't we create a thread specifically for noobs,beginners in android,people who came from iphone and people that are lost in what to do..and put it in Dev thread..entitled "Lost,Confused and Dont know what to Do"..since I think everyone would go to the Dev Thread first before reading the General and Q&A thread..something like Help Support..where anybody can help...
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People will say "No one ever answers anything there" Same thing happens with the Q&A now as well...
Seriously though, what pushed my buttons was the whole HOX vs whatever. watch a damn dogfight or go to cnet... lol

iElvis said:
Not going to help the numerous people who don't search, don't read, and don't even look at the thread titles before posting their problems.
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Agreed. plus we do have quite a few comprehensive noobs guides already in place, but you need to be willing to read...
How many times do you see a question asked that was answered just a few posts prior within the same thread.
I applaud the vast majority of devs we have here for their patience for not getting pissed off when their thread gets completely derailed...
I'm by no means an expert but I do a lot of reading and I learn a lot of things, for the vast majority it's all here...
Just read...
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Gunnyman, what are u doin', floating
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looking for his lost IMEI on sgs3 :laugh:

Crappyvate said:
Agreed. plus we do have quite a few comprehensive noobs guides already in place, but you need to be willing to read...
How many times do you see a question asked that was answered just a few posts prior within the same thread.
I applaud the vast majority of devs we have here for their patience for not getting pissed off when their thread gets completely derailed...
I'm by no means an expert but I do a lot of reading and I learn a lot of things, for the vast majority it's all here...
Just read...
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looking for his lost IMEI on sgs3 :laugh:
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My imei is just fine. Thanks

Why is everyone so rude

I have been a member for some time now and xda mods and users are insane. We are losing people to other forums due to the fact whenever a person asks a question he is flamed by mods and other users ex. Wrong section search before you ask Wtf if someone has a question answer them. Half the time a user downloads a Rom and messes up there phone and they start to bug out cause they think they ****ed up there phone beoynd fixing and then they ask how to fix it and get told you are in wrong section and to use the search function (which sux I might add)They are coming here because we have the knowledge to help them. They are not coming here to get a attitude. Some of the users will help them but for the few that give them a hard time , think about if the shoe was on the other foot and you rude people needed help with something would you want someone to give u **** for asking a question. This was one of the best forums about 5 years ago now its not so great. That's just my 2 cents and I know I am posting in the wrong section. But that is what mods are for to move it into the right section, back in the day a mod would kindly say I moved your thread to this section end of story,with no flame and no need to make the poster feel like a ass
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I was a complete noob only about 2 months ago, and I don't think it's too much to ask noobs to follow explicitly stated forum rules. People answering questions are doing that out of their own free will, donating their time, energy, and knowledge. And though moving threads is one of a mod's roles, they are donating time as well. We have no right to expect help or time from others, especially when we don't follow rules made to make XDA a more productive and useful place.
For example, it's a courtesy to devs to keep their threads clean, so they can figure out bugs and dev hints quickly and easily without sifting through junk. It lets them figure out problems faster and, therefore, makes it easier for them to dev the ROMs we all use. And even in the general forums, people don't want to see and answer the same vague and/or general question (eg. Which is the best ROM) once a week.
I obviously wasn't here 5 years ago, but I bet there were fewer people then, so there were fewer noobs and, therefore, fewer noob questions, so there were fewer people exasperated with noob questions, and therefore fewer noob answers. So that makes sense.
I want to make clear that I don't condone rudeness on the Internet any ore than elsewhere, but as long as no one is being actually rude, I don't think it's out of line for members to tell noobs to follow forum rules made for everyone's benefit.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812464
tell me this mod is not rude all someone had to do was post a link for this person this is what made me post this non sense . Not to single out this mod cause its not just him or her a good amount of the xda community acts this way. I see this all the time .
Whatever
I am just saying
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insanenyc said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812464
tell me this mod is not rude all someone had to do was post a link for this person this is what made me post this non sense . Not to single out this mod cause its not just him or her a good amount of the xda community acts this way. I see this all the time .
Whatever
I am just saying
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To me, those responses seem perfectly justified. If the OP had simply looked at the Ace Think Tank thread, he would have found a clear, nicely formatted, step by step way to fix his problem. It's not members' responsibility to post him a link; it's his own responsibility to find information already so nicely created, packaged and placed, explicitly for noobs, for him to read.

Great devs have left because of these assholes sadly.
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Rules are meant to be followed. If you're too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. You're given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
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Gizmoe said:
Rules are meant to be followed. If your too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. Your given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
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There's a video? Hahahahaa.... I read the rules.. only if I would have known.
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Yes there's a video because there's 4859572958352858.5 rules and you should know each and every one. You don't do it when buying a car but dammit you better read the terms and conditions of this forum. Soon enough you'll have to print em, sign in triplicate and mail in before posting.
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joe3681 said:
Yes there's a video because there's 4859572958352858.5 rules and you should know each and every one. You don't do it when buying a car but dammit you better read the terms and conditions of this forum. Soon enough you'll have to print em, sign in triplicate and mail in before posting.
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That would be excellent! Just kidding. But most of the rules are pretty much common sense. Don't post in a forum clearly labeled for developers if you aren't a developer, don't ask questions that have already been answered, and dont be vague when asking for help.

I agree with people doing there own research, it does take time with trying to search for things, the first time I rooted took me 3-4 hours just to search and make sure I wasn't going to mess anything up. Then when I wanted a custom rom it was easy breezy because I knew the terms. Id still consider myself a noob, everyone's a noob in my book cause they learn everyday if theyel weren't whenever roms come out they wouldn't have any bugs or glitches...but they do and therefore they learn how to fix it.
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I realize that to but no everyone does it
Sorry for my english

Gizmoe said:
Rules are meant to be followed. If your too much of a noob to understand why, then you didn't watch the video and need to read more and un noobify yourself. It's amazing how much laziness results in people feeling picked on. Your given the material and you need to make an effort to use it.
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You're as in you are. Not your. Man if you only read the dictionary jkjk. I agree SOME people may get mad and post inappropriate things but you have to read the rules and understand everything before posting. Instead of posting I search. I am on the app and I'm aware that searching isn't the best for the app BUT do you forget we have a browser on our phone as well as Google its not that they wake up and say "hey, today I think I'm going to troll Gizmoe(or said name) and be rude instead of answering". Its not their job to walk you through something if the answers there. I've had my own fights and misunderstandings on here with members but in the end they were right because I didn't read everything 114% so read before asking. And read again before asking. The devs are amazing at what they do and they don't need the stress of answering more questions then needed. The search bar is there for a reason. Take advantage of it. Or they may just go "here's said app/rom/theme/other use it." Thanks for listening and take the advice. READ AND RESEARCH <3 have a wonderful day.
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toxicpaulution said:
You're as in you are. Not your. Man if you only read the dictionary jkjk. I agree SOME people may get mad and post inappropriate things but you have to read the rules and understand everything before posting. Instead of posting I search. I am on the app and I'm aware that searching isn't the best for the app BUT do you forget we have a browser on our phone as well as Google its not that they wake up and say "hey, today I think I'm going to troll Gizmoe(or said name) and be rude instead of answering". Its not their job to walk you through something if the answers there. I've had my own fights and misunderstandings on here with members but in the end they were right because I didn't read everything 114% so read before asking. And read again before asking. The devs are amazing at what they do and they don't need the stress of answering more questions then needed. The search bar is there for a reason. Take advantage of it. Or they may just go "here's said app/rom/theme/other use it." Thanks for listening and take the advice. READ AND RESEARCH <3 have a wonderful day.
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Lol. You and your "you're". I will use you're from now on if it bothers you so much. Jk. .
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It bugs me to no end. You have no idea. Everytime I said you're I say you are in my head. plus writing papers with counted words you need to make sure you use the you are because its two words instead of one haha
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Yea most people are jerks but if they weren't then all the noobs would be asking the same question over and over again. It's not hard if you research. When I was a noob I researched and when I was ready to root I researched more just incase anything bad would happen. People are just lazy and don't take the time to research.
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boss man Kole said:
Yea most people are jerks but if they weren't then all the noobs would be asking the same question over and over again. It's not hard if you research. When I was a noob I researched and when I was ready to root I researched more just incase anything bad would happen. People are just lazy and don't take the time to research.
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kevintmr said:
This thread is a waste
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For someone who's new you should really learn how to either voice your opinions eloquently or refrain from them altogether.
It is better that the user voiced his opinion so that a discussion could start to be able to clear any possible misconceptions or if so were the case, for the comunity to improve where it is lacking.
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insanenyc said:
I have been a member for some time now and xda mods and users are insane. We are losing people to other forums due to the fact whenever a person asks a question he is flamed by mods and other users ex. Wrong section search before you ask Wtf if someone has a question answer them. Half the time a user downloads a Rom and messes up there phone and they start to bug out cause they think they ****ed up there phone beoynd fixing and then they ask how to fix it and get told you are in wrong section and to use the search function (which sux I might add)They are coming here because we have the knowledge to help them. They are not coming here to get a attitude. Some of the users will help them but for the few that give them a hard time , think about if the shoe was on the other foot and you rude people needed help with something would you want someone to give u **** for asking a question. This was one of the best forums about 5 years ago now its not so great. That's just my 2 cents and I know I am posting in the wrong section. But that is what mods are for to move it into the right section, back in the day a mod would kindly say I moved your thread to this section end of story,with no flame and no need to make the poster feel like a ass
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I think that perhaps you have missed the idea that this is a DEV's forum and not an Android 101 one. That means that you can get help if you do what you are supposed to, which is read, do research and then ask. If you mess your phone and you don´t have a clue of what you have done, you can blame no one for that. Belive me I have helped lots of people and even have writen guides and tutorials on how to sort the most common issues, but you usually find people asking the same questions without even doing a simple search. If you are willing to be part of a forum then you should comply with the rules. From the links you provided I don´t see nobody being rude but realistic. If you don´t know what you are doing or the risk that you are facing, then you should refrain from doing it instead of coming here and blame the tools and dev's.
The DEV's that have left XDA, at least in the case I am aware of, was not for everybody being rude, but for the moderators editing his comments to users. The real and annoying reason is to be dealing with noobs thinking dev's owe them answers and support and getting mad when they face reality.

Let me clear something up I was not saying that anyone was rude to me. I have been here long enough that I know what I can ask and what I have to search for on my own. I was referring to the way new people are treated for asking questions.
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Getting a forum for a new device.

Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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onebornoflight said:
Ok so as some of you may know development for the Samsung Galaxy S Relay 4G is taking off somewhat and yet XDA is ignoring our requests for a forum in favor of devices that aren't out yet and devices that nobody much has heard of... I am posting this to ask anyone who remembers how long it took the Doubleshot to get its own forum as well as to ask my former community to help US out. (In other words... could y'all hit up the new forum request page and thank our posts/ bump the relay lol? (If this is against xda rules I apologize) or if anyone knows someone who can expedite this situation we'd all appreciate it.
Btw update - anyone wants my DS pm me, flex cable is failed and currently I have disassembled it while grounded and yes I'm tech savvy enough to not fry components. Idk how much to ask but make an offer lol.
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Maybe XDA has a personal issue with phones with QWERTY keyboards.

We encountered this issue on my previous qwerty device also and believe me we almost got top 2 on the voting thread for new devices yet till now it still don't have any forum of its own. I already asked and the reason why it didn't get its own forum was not because of the lack of the community but instead the lack of real developers to support the device. To quote what the mod I talked to he said that
"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.

Guys try www.sdx-developers.com its a Samsung hacking site
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That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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onebornoflight said:
The scotsman messaged me back in response to a question I asked and his reply was that the decision is made by forum owners and admins over his head based on development potential of the device.
Now that, my friends, seems to be a bit of a debatable point doesn't it lol?
That being said - does anyone remember how long it took the DS to get a dedicated forum?
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At least he replied to you...
Lol I never got a reply

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@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Now that XDA isn't accommodating, creating a dev section for the device there might just be what that site needs to bring it back to life
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gtmaster303 said:
That's the only thing we can do. I've contacted quite a few mods, and they all told me the same thing. Post in the forum. Sorry, I tried but there's nothing else i can do to expedite the process. it seems that they will only open the forum when they see fit.
@strapped, no offense, but that site seems kinda dead. Just like rootzwiki. Xda will create a thread for you guys eventually. I don't see the point in fragmenting the device across two sites. Keep at it
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Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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strapped365 said:
Well either quit *****ing about xda not making y'all a thread or try to go to sdx. A lot of guys I have dealt with are from sdx. But lemme guess its a popularity contest? Y'all are a trip wanting more then what's needed, and that's just a place to call home, I'm so glad I decided not to get that device as I see most of this community will be.
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1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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gtmaster303 said:
1. I'm not *****ing. I don't even have this device
2. It is a popularity contest. Xda has way more devs and exposure than the site you mentioned. Do I want more than what's needed? Of course. Who wouldn't?
3. Everyone buys a device for X reason. Avoiding a device because of the users is your choice. No one cares if you don't get this device
4. You mad bro?
Honestly I thought we were friends, but I guess not... last person I expected to come out like this was you. Unless my English went bad overnight, someone tell me I'm reading this wrong
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1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Riyal said:
"XDA-developers" is a forum made for developers. Having even a thousand active members on a specific device but only have a handful of developers won't make it eligible for its own dedicated forum. As much as we'd like to provide every device it's own forum we also consider the cluttering of the forum itself so we are just narrowing down the devices on which we could get more active development than a forum full of average user questions.
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This makes a whole lot of sense.

strapped365 said:
1. If not *****ing then why not go somewhere that could potentially give a home for that device....on a Samsung hacking site.
2. Popularity? Really, being popular has nothing at all to do with development. The best dev in the world could have this device and with no home, no one would ever know. So wouldn't you rather risk it? I personally post on themikmik sdx and xda.....why more advertisement
4. Is just a personal choice because of what I see in these threads.( device and slider related in general)
5. Mad nah not me, I'm getting the N4 as soon as I save my allowance ( joking )
You got my first morning post and yes I'm tired of sdx getting played. I learned so much from them guys and a few of them brought straight cm code into Sense for a first ever seen mod that everyone uses now. So I don't agree with xda being the holy grail of hackers and only thou can come here for their needs. Xda has really stopped caring for the average user and ONLY CARE ABOUT AD REVENUE and having the devices they feel will get them the most.
So I do wanna say "I'm sorry gtmaster303". Never meant to sound like the shot was at you when it was meant for xda. They need to see and realize their not the only place to come for hacks anymore, so stop treating us like kids and only giving us what XDA wants. If they were really for the user that thread would have been made as soon as something development related could have been posted
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Thanks. Although I don't agree with you completely, it's good to know you didn't go rogue on me all of a sudden. If xda wants ad revenue, they would be creating ads for every device out. Although I don't understand why they won't readily create a forum for a device that clearly needs it. I don't agree with their logic. If there's even one dev for a device, a forum should be made. That's like saying "we'll only host the most popular of devices." By that token, popularity should not ensue. And under that jurisdiction, technically the Doubleshot shouldn't exist here either. Our community is quite small, even for a dev community. Most of the daily page hits xda gets from us are the same couple dozen people, some of which login multiple times per day (because they have no life, myself included )
But popularity of the site is still necessary. not that many people know about sdx. When they look for a new phone to buy (devs and modders alike) most will come to xda and poke around to see if the activity is up to their liking. If not, they'll probably search for a new device. Main reason why I haven't switched over to a Captivate Glide or a Droid 4...
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I must be weird then as I bought my device because
1. It was the closest thing to a G3 on the market and
2. I was (and still am) angry with and done with HTC after the lack of ICS on the doubleshot.
Oh and 3. My DS died;(
Nonetheless if we decide to move to that other site I'll have to get an android app for it lol.
I'm growing disgruntled with XDA lately but its kinda like a drug for me... and strapped... this device stock is just about equivalent to my ds when it died with regards to ease of use and overall response. I DO miss a trackpad and the home button lags just a bit... but that could be me having an aftermarket launcher with touchwiz frozen but not uninstalled.
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