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Where is the love?

It seems lately there has been alot of negativity towards people asking questions. There have been far too many replies to questions with people complaining about the question, and the complaint takes longer to post than the answer. If you don't want to answer someones question, don't open the thread!! This is supposed to be a friendly, helpful community. There will always be different levels of experience. There is not 1 person on this forum that has never experienced the panic factor when they thought they messed up their phone. Let's keep that in mind when someone asks a question without doing an extensive search first.
PS- You are not the phone police, who are you to say what someone should and shouldn't do with their phone?

Because at least 50% of posts asking for help have been answered multiple times... in multiple threads... by multiple people.
It gets annoying answering questions for people who really shouldn't be rooting phones to begin with... or who don't take time to do any research. Instead of taking the time to learn and read.
There was an excellent article the other day on android central... about rooting not always being the answer. I think alot of people should read it.
http://m.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
You don't need to root to enjoy android. And not everyone is. But alot of people have no idea what they are getting into... then come here and expect it to be fixed because they didn't research.
Xda is a very helpful community... but everyone gets a little tired sometimes of answering the same questions.
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camalus said:
Because at least 50% of posts asking for help have been answered multiple times... in multiple threads... by multiple people.
It gets annoying answering questions for people who really shouldn't be rooting phones to begin with... or who don't take time to do any research. Instead of taking the time to learn and read.
There was an excellent article the other day on android central... about rooting not always being the answer. I think alot of people should read it.
http://m.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
You don't need to root to enjoy android. And not everyone is. But alot of people have no idea what they are getting into... then come here and expect it to be fixed because they didn't research.
Xda is a very helpful community... but everyone gets a little tired sometimes of answering the same questions.
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camalus said:
Because at least 50% of posts asking for help have been answered multiple times... in multiple threads... by multiple people.
It gets annoying answering questions for people who really shouldn't be rooting phones to begin with... or who don't take time to do any research. Instead of taking the time to learn and read.
There was an excellent article the other day on android central... about rooting not always being the answer. I think alot of people should read it.
http://m.androidcentral.com/sometimes-root-isn’t-answer
You don't need to root to enjoy android. And not everyone is. But alot of people have no idea what they are getting into... then come here and expect it to be fixed because they didn't research.
Xda is a very helpful community... but everyone gets a little tired sometimes of answering the same questions.
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Well yes that's true and all but the OP has a point when he said everyone has that panic attack and doesnt bother looking before posting I mean seriously when you think your really screwed over and may have just wasted $400 I know now I'd probably look first but when I first started out with my good ol G1 I flipped **** man! Its still bricked, sitting in a shelf somewhere. But I became more experienced as I moved from MT3G to MT4G so yea noobs to forums will always be an issue here I mean really in what forum aren't they? But its better to be supportive than criticize the new Guy with a broken phone by saying 'go look in this thread or this or this or this' I mean it just makes em feel bad. This is hypocritical since I know I have a few posts criticizing noons on here for posting but whatever it happens.
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I agree with people generally needing to read up on as much as they can, especially when they're starting with android and/or rooting, but I will say there's something nice about having a chat about your particular situation. Reading an old thread often has useful information, but I could definitely see how a poster might need/want more specific, personalized advice that meets whatever issue they're having head-on. And often, I know I've been researching a particular issue, will find old threads on it, but still need additional clarification.
Obviously, people should be able to help themselves as much as possible - but in the end, that's why this is a forum, and not a tech blog, so that people CAN have discourse about common areas of interest and, hopefully, help one another out.

lowandbehold said:
PS- You are not the phone police, who are you to say what someone should and shouldn't do with their phone?
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Okay i wasn't going to say a damn thing till i saw this line.
You are 100% correct we are not officially the Android Police or Phone Police. However neither are you. WE are not telling people what to do with their devices. We are simply throwing up road blocks. As if to say....
do not proceed the bridge is out
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and you you keep on going and ignore the blatant warnings and crash and burn you shouldn't come here crying that you jacked something. On the same note we did not force you to do anything to your phone. No one from XDA held a Glock 19 and uttered the words " ROOT YOUR MUTHA EFFING PHONE OR WE KILL YOU".... you chose to do it willingly. And you should be man enough to say well i screwed my phone and i need to fix it.
9/10 people here will answer the question at hand. regardless of its "how do i root my phone", "how do i flash an image" or what ever else have you. but it someone has a low post count we will absolutely throw warnings out there. Android devices are mini Linux Computers. Now i do not claim to be a *UNIX guru, nor do i claim to be an Android guru, but i've seen enough people to brick their phones do routine things to know better......
I joined XDA because i was tired of the drama on Android Central and Cracberry's Android section. I wanted to find a good group of guys with similar interest, with similar phones and the exact same motto.
Someone once helped me with Android, and i feel i need to do the same.
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and i found XDA, i lurked for a while and thought this a good place to be....
just because you see "negative comments" doesn't mean we don't have the best intent in our hearts. We just understand what can come with things are done incorrectly.
And to finish up to answer your question "where is the love", sometimes the best love one can show is tough love, it might not appear to be there now, but down the road.... well hind sight is always 20/20.

I've struggled conceptually countless times on these forums and people have been gracious enough to help me out, but the couple of times I thought I might have actually messed up my phone the first thought that entered my head wasn't "OH SH!T, let me write an incoherent post in the first forum i see and wait for my savior," it was "you idiot, you read about this possibility and now you have a worthless piece of electronics, maybe next time you won't be so stupid." I then researched my issue and, luckily, found a solution. You can learn how to do ANYTHING on the internet these days, that's the beauty of global communication. I just think most people get frustrated when someone asks another to take time out of their day to assist them when it is clear by their post that they didn't even take the time to help themselves, you know?
No one here has a problem with helping someone out; that is clear by sheer number of question posts that get answered daily- especially when people follow the forum guidelines and at least attempt to present their issue with as much detail as possible. It's the "SOMEONE HELP ME CLOCKWORK BROKE MY PHONE" posted in the development section that cause more trouble than anything.

Just like there were many threads complaining about people not answering questions or being hostile to newbs.
Here's the very basic explanation on how to not make an ass out of yourself and save us all from answering the same thing over and over again:
1. Read BEFORE you do something
2. Read and UNDERSTAND what you're about to do, again, BEFORE you do it.
3. If anything goes wrong - take a step back to think what you did, have a smoke/drink/whatever you do and relax. Search for an answer on similar situation, bet you money it has been answered before. If all fails, write up well-organized, informative post with all info (what you had, what you did and what happened) and be patient. 5 threads within 2 hrs will not get you any farther.
Good luck to all.

People dont mind helping or answering questions its just that no one honestly reads before posting. 9 out of 10 questions have answers within the forum.
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Charle is 100% percent correct in his statement. In all honesty all the information for rooting, flashing recovery, custom roms are in the development section under the rom bible in the development section. The hard part has already been done for us.

I 100% agree that you should read ALOT before deciding to root. I read everything and watched videos for over a week before deciding to root.
The main point I was trying to make is that if you are sick of answering the same question, don't answer it. Just don't type anything. Hit the back button. There is no need for the rude remarks.
And Neidlinger I don't understand your post whatsoever. I don't understand it because you are one of the most knowledgable and helpful people on this forum. I don't know how many times you had to answer questions regarding bootloops with the wrong recovery, and every single time, you just answered the question. I honestly feel that more replies in the Q&A section should be just like yours.

lowandbehold said:
And Neidlinger I don't understand your post whatsoever. I don't understand it because you are one of the most knowledgable and helpful people on this forum. I don't know how many times you had to answer questions regarding bootloops with the wrong recovery, and every single time, you just answered the question. I honestly feel that more replies in the Q&A section should be just like yours.
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I apologize, i'm at work and and got heated about something here and really shouldn't of posted that....and when i saw "where is the love", knowing how much i try to help people out around here... it just really bothered me....
you line made it sound like, if we have some one that pops and their very first post is "how do i root my phone" we should bow down and help them. With out throwing any warnings out. just here is how to do it and explain step by step how to.
First of all i will throw out warnings, i will never ward anyone away from doing what they want to do with their device. After all it's their money they are gambling with.
secondly when i bought my first android (mytouch3G) phone i bought with a stock recovery image and a working bootloader and i had to figure everything else from there. I had to learn quickly, if i wanted my phone up and running. So thanks for the props on being knowledgeable, but it was something i pretty much had to do. And people read on BGR, Android Central, or what ever popular bog site about XDA members did this and XDA members did that they jump on here and expect us to hold their hand. People have very well laid out threads on how do do certain things. The reason i treat others the way i do when it comes to problem solving is pretty simple. I had someone do the same for me. A higher up for T-Mobile that took the time and showed me how to do what i needed done. And that kinda what my idea of the Android community is. People helping people, for the fun and enjoyment of it.
with that being said....
With True_blue, Option94, faux123 not to mention another 1/2 dozen good developers and highly knowledgeable people that put things out in black and white, easy to understand English their should be no reason why so many of the same exact threads show up. You can type in just about any Android problem or request in Google and it'll lead you to XDA, and the thread in question. Just like the thread with the guy that just posted " how do i get 2.3, the nexus s variant on my phone"... step one should of been research in stead of starting a new thread....It's the laziness that bothers me. Like with programs like Super Manager and Root Explorer, people are to lazy to learn the ADB commands.... Clockwork ROM manager, people are to lazy to flash a recovery image. Or flashing a ROM go south... did you check the MD5sum? "nope, whats that"... it's just pure laziness that bothers me...

I understand 100% where you guys are coming from. I completely agree that things should be searched for first. I just think that the #1 priority should be helping the person out first, and then correcting. I just want it to be known that this is in no way at all coming from an experience that I had...I think my anger really started with that epidemic of E:/can't mount bs where everyone was like "hey idiot you can get into recovery, you aren't bricked." And now we know now that is not the case.

lowandbehold said:
I understand 100% where you guys are coming from. I completely agree that things should be searched for first. I just think that the #1 priority should be helping the person out first, and then correcting. I just want it to be known that this is in no way at all coming from an experience that I had...I think my anger really started with that epidemic of E:/can't mount bs where everyone was like "hey idiot you can get into recovery, you aren't bricked." And now we know now that is not the case.
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I was one of them idiots that had that cnt mount cache or data issue with my phone,worst thing ever lol...Anyway instead of askin questions on 1 or 2 threads,it went to a bunch of different threads & it did get a lil annoyin cause we all tryin to find a fix but cnt really lock on one cause its soo many diff threads,its just all over the place,if people would just calm dwn & wait for the thread to get answered all would be good but people are impatient & start new threads of the same BS.....

I bricked my phone! I was trying a rootatoot method and it all went caplooey!!!??!?!? OMG I don't want to read! Tell me all knowing everyone what I should do!! Whoa is me! WHOA IS ME!
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UntamedDeviance said:
I bricked my phone! I was trying a rootatoot method and it all went caplooey!!!??!?!? OMG I don't want to read! Tell me all knowing everyone what I should do!! Whoa is me! WHOA IS ME!
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Good example but pretty useless lol.. honestly I enjoy helping out people that's why I'm around here. Helping people makes me feel accomplished no matter what the scenario but fixing the same thing over and over gets to the point where its redundant and you want to get the point across to hit the search button. Hell most of the time ill even link to the thread but when I'm on my phone like I am currently I can't. I enjoy helping but I enjoy even more helping people who can help themselves.
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i totally agree with neidlinger on his points. I started with a G1, Mytouch 3g, mytouch slide, and now MT4G. I read everything i could get my hands on how to root and reread it again. If i still didn't understand something, then i would ask a question or search for it. Most of the posts i read nowadays, people want to be spoon-fed out of sheer laziness.

If the questions posed in these forums were even half as thought out as the comments in this thread, 95% of the snappy remarks would disappear. People want to know they are assisting someone who values that assistance. One or two sentences rarely creates that picture.

[Rant] What you want but didn't get

I'm just throwing this out there...So agree if you do or don't if you don't.
Personally, I'm tired of reading various ROM threads and seeing people cry or complain about features that are not included.
If you are using ROM "X" and want the features of ROM "Y", THEN FU**ING USE THE ROM THAT HAS THE FEATURES YOU WANT! Or just learn to code yourself.
There are plenty of tutorials on this site. Enough so, that one could literally build a ROM from scratch if they wanted to.
Granted, I'm no dev by any means...but I don't run around crying about features lost or features gained. Those of you that complain...you have the WORLD at your fingertips. USE THE SEARCH FEATURE! USE GOOGLE!
If I hurt your feelings by posting this, then good. You deserved it. That is all. My asshole moment is now over.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I have been on this site for 2 years. I never really posted much. I spent my time searching and reading the posts. I notice the new trend is to just ask a question without any searching then ***** about the answers you receive. Ok, now I'm done.
Maybe you should name this the Rant Thread, haha.
Agree with tribalartgod
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Agreed. Here's my rant...
Rant no. 1...I am so sick of ppl crying about scratched screens and broken phones. QUIT BEING CHEAP AND BUY SCREEN PROTECTORS AND PROTECTIVE CASES!!! These are smartphones that are easily broken or scratched. These are not the basic flip phone that are more durable. Use common sense and protect your investment! If you break your phone with protection, then you did something so destructive, there was no hope for it anyways.
Rant no. 2...I am so sick of ppl posting....help! I messed up my phone because I'm too lazy to read and research about how to do things PROPERLY! More times than not, if you do your due diligence and research, read, and follow basic instructions, you will find that you will have very little issues, if any. And how about ppl that cut corners and take short cuts to try and save time. Do this, and you will find yourself spending more time troubleshooting issues because you didn't do it properly. Research, read, and follow instructions. Its just as simple as that.
/rant
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Ahhhh that was very refreshing to read. I agree with your rant 100%.
Rant no...3: I have two roms, which one is the best?
There is no such thing as the best one, geez. Just try both of them and see what you like more.
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yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)

I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
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@Thremix... As far as the search thing is concerned, there really should not be any excuse at all. It's a big button that says "Search this Thread", or "Search this forum."
I can't speak for anyone but myself on this... But if you post in the wrong section, or what have you... I personally will tell you the answer if I know it. But in doing so, I also tell you it has already been posted, and provide the link to that thread. If it's in the wrong section, I'll answer you, and tell you it's in the wrong section.
As far as flaming people... Ignorance leads to that. And unfortunately, I am guilty of flaming people before. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. And I too, am guilty of posting in the wrong section sometimes.
Sometimes the categories just aren't specific enough... For example: Themes and Apps... If it is your own work, I feel it should go in the Dev section. that's just me. If it's someone else's, then yes, in the Themes and Apps section.

Scott_S said:
I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
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LMFAO.

Thremix said:
yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)
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No flame, just going to say that 3 of your rants are about the first rule of these here forums.
Forum Rules
Not to mention that that no flaming is the second rule.
While we can politely ask them to search, most time I will tell them to search or read while posting a helpful link.
Now my rant:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant

A real kicker for me is the inability to write a thread title. "Has anyone else noticed?" "Am I the only one?" "HELP" are examples of completely useless thread titles and doesn't explain what you're trying to convey at all.
I'm not exactly the most patient person in the world and my personality comes off fairly blunt but I'm glad to see that quite a few people are annoyed at exactly the same things I am. I'm fairly new to XDA as a whole but these kinds of things go on in pretty much every other forum I've been somewhat active on as well.
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Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
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I'll typically answer it and give a link to another thread that's exactly the same question that I found in 5 seconds using search. Or just simply post a link to the thread and hope that people can figure it out by themselves (which usually isn't the case). But bloody hell, there's been so many "which rom is the best?" threads lately that I've been staying out of General and just sticking to a few select threads under the development section.

mudknot2005 said:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant
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As soon as I saw that I KNEW you were in Texas without even looking.
Stupid MF'ing blue laws, if anything should get flamed, it is those.
Even dumber: Why can't I buy a car on Sunday?

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And the more substantive version of my rant...
I actually don't use search as much as I would like, as most of my posts are from the XDA app, not the full site. And there is a significant difference in functionality.
However, instead of posting a new thread for each random question that enters my brain, I'll at least thread-browse and subscribe, reading the entire thread.
The problem is that people just want to be spoon-fed the answers to problems that have, 9 out of 10 times, already been previously encountered...and solved.
They often times seem to have the attitude that XDA is free technical support, here to cater to them. Not. It takes time to answer questions, no one gets paid for it, and having to repeat the same answer to a fresh face multiple times per day gets a little tiresome.
Personally, I *prefer* having information prior to doing something I'm unsure about, it's when there's a lot of slightly different answers to the same question that tempts me to ask for clarification.
Still not enough to break my "0 new threads started," though. I saving that for a special occasion.
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#1- bravo
#2- [email protected]%ing rofl
I can see this being the thread of the year. Whatever was on your mind but you didn't wanna be an asshole and post- let it out.
Edit- and this is what happens when companies like apple have the attitude -'every single one of our users is an utter moron, so we better spoon feed and restrict what they can do'- but they used a one click jailbreak so there super hackers. I'm kinda glad this phone isn't a simple one click root. It makes the users at least READ and research a little so they might start to understand a little what's going on
I'm the kind of person that when I do something, I don't want a step by step tutorial with exactly what buttons to push on the keyboard, I want to know why and what I'm doing when I'm doing it. That's just me though.

I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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You have no idea how much I agree with this!
I do tech support for a living... I feel your pain.

TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
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cdfink08 said:
Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
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I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
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I never realized that people were required to read a thread, let alone reply to it. If someone's thread starts with "I scratched my screen", why bother reading it if you are not interested. I think it is expected to see these type of posts in the General section. If all you want to do is read about developement, there is a section for that. I previously learned to hack the **** of my Windows phone thanks to some very helpful people here at XDA. Despite the fact that I haven't rooted my Inspire, I visit here daily because I have learned to do some other things and about a lot of other things. I'm new to Android. When someone posts about scratching their screen, some helpful guys will come in with recommendations about which brands of screen protectors and cases they use and the pros and cons of them. I like that. I wouldn't expect to see that in the developers section, but I'm ok with it in the General section. As far as the guys that get in trouble when rooting, searching is not as easy as one would assume, especially if in a panic state. When you already know what went wrong it's probably an easy search. For someone that is looking at non functional phone without knowing what the hell went wrong, it might not be as easy. I will probably eventually root, but not until I'm ready. Probably when AT&T refuses to release that Gingerbread upgrade. In the meantime, even reading about the problems noobs run into helps me. As far as what the op posted about different roms, I do agree. Try them out and if the perfect one is not out there for you, suck it up and pick one. I don't post much, but I do like to read and hate to see discouragement towards the noobs and posters that just post general issues or that get into trouble. I'm pretty sure we all started somewheres.
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TheBassman369 said:
I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
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Motorola Atrix and HTC Thunderbolt

I mentioned that issue to mr. clown about two months ago, and he said it is up to the admins.
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Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...

thomas.raines said:
Ok, it's pretty sad that the SGS4G forum has the issues that is does. I have another phone and have been in it's XDA forum as well, to see that people in there aren't as lazy and stupid as some are in this forum. They actually READ the OP, search for answers to their questions before posting them and when they cannot find the answers, then they post to the forum in the appropriate spots with logcat (if available) included! Amazing isn't it... This is why we have lost DEVs. STUPIDITY!
Did you know (and I speak form experience) that if you do not read and follow an OP on how to flash a ROM you could end up with:
1) A bricked phone (super hard bricked too... meaning, NON RECOVERABLE!)
2) A trashed sim card (yeah, I know it isn't that abd, but it is still a pain in the ass to call and deal with customer support to order a new one and then go to the store to pick it up or skip the call and go down to your service provider and pay up to 35 bucks for a new one... that can get pricey after just a few "I do what I want" flash mistakes.
3) A bad flash resulting in an unstable unusable ROM. And then when you decide to flash it correctly, you have lost that time...forever... Oh, and let's not forget the time and space you wasted on here asking the same question 300 other dummies already asked.
There are so many BAD possibilities that could result in not following directions. Didn't your momma teach you to follow directions? There was a reason for it! Plus, didn't your daddy teach you to help yourself first, and then when you had exhausted all options, ask for help?
Granted, I have made these same mistakes before. But I have learned. But there just seems to be SOOOOOOO many of you that just don't get it! To the point that I have actually seen some one ask the a question by quoting the post that contained the answer! That is purely STUPID!
Is this a flame? You damn right it is! But I am not only here to vent my frustrations out on you, but to help you.
Read the rules aka The Ten Commandments, they are simple and easy to follow (I will make a pictorial upon request):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1310270
If you are Noob, which means you have never, or only done it once or twice, flashed a ROM, theme, etc, here is a great link for you to ask many of your questions:
Universal Question Solver
Now before you post in the DEV section assuming you have trolled and spam other forums, use this link to guide you:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=979109
Read the ENTIRE OP for christs sake!
After all that is done, like maybe 10-20 minutes of your time then post a thread IN THE APPROPRIATE SECTION, or reply to a thread with your questions or issues WITH A LOGCAT! Oh, and it doesn't have to be the entire logcat, just the part that pertains to your issue. If you do not know how to read your logcat, you can always post it for free, after registering, here:
pastebin.com
Please guys, FOR THE LOVE OF OUR PHONES, lets try to lay nicely and by the rules...
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Nice
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=20030358
This has been my homework lately. I think it would help the community to read the same thing. Although it may not really matter. As the warden in Cool Hand Luke so eloquently said, "Some men you just can't reach." I'm also going to try and learn how to read the darn things so I can try to help out even further. But since I'm not terribly familiar with Linux commands it may take a little while.

Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Jules is it necessary to quote long post? Really?
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thomas
I here you. It's been done before. People just don't get it. Vent away though.
Jules
What lumin said. A simple nice would have sufficed.

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Thread bump. And sorry dude but the world needs more bass
http://notreble.com
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Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...

Jules
I trully believe you have good intentions and you want to become this phone dev, but you write too much, quote too much and generally flud all the threads.
I don't think it helps you on the long run. If you want to be a dev - read, search, then read and search and if you really have to, post a private message, otherwise you seem like a noob calling yourself a dev in progress.
Read the 'how to decompile an apk' in the modding forum and all the 'how to make a custom ROM' general forum threads, download root explorer for the trial and error and notepad++ for the updater script and make a productive contribution to the community.
Good luck.
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Just want to throw out there that as bad as this forum may seem, its a hella lot better than some.
I got so sick of the g2x forums I flamed someone (which I make a point to avoid doing) and came back to this phone! (course the main reason is cause this is just a superior device in every way)
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SMH. This is what gives XDA a bad name.

+1 Thomas
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well you sure do have a point - 10x for that.
Hopefully people will read and internalize it.

thomas.raines said:
Thank you Bassmanjames... For being the prime example of the f**king jackasses that I am talking about. What the hell does a site about bass guitars adn crap have to do with anything I said. I am glad I put this up... We shall call this training for dumbies like you!
And to give you and the rest of your clan a little insight... I use to be totally against the flame... But now I see why it happens... Go troll on crackberry or something...
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LOL glad i could help. Your welcome everyone needs to vent once in a while. I have already participated in many general threads about this topic and in accordance with the rules why did you start another? It is sad that the general populous can't search or feels so entitled they don't think they should have to; but, such is life sir, as you can see.
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The forum is a great tool...
but posting in the wrong forum can ruin it :-(
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Lol nice there thomas. Also, I agree about quoting long posts. I use to cut them just to let the people know what I'm answering or just mention @username and write. Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
In my opinion, this forum sucks because of little moderation by those who can. Threads and posts need to be deleted every now and then. I have made a ticket with xda regarding this but they told me to use the report button... bah. We all have to admit than sometimes threads get to the 1000's post and its difficult to keep track of every post so one has to ask same question because of the useless crap posted and I understand doesn't have an option.
Anyway, if I got to be a noob or a disturbing person... sorry, not my intention as I use to read more than post. If I flamed you... well you probably deserved it and I'm not sorry. I hope this forum gets some massive clean up one day and to see everything organized.
At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol

chris31jct said:
At the end of the day a forum is used to post... and people will post what they want even if its crap like what I just wrote in this post. Lol
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+1000 man!
Take note how I cut down the quote peeps. I left just the meat and potatoes... In the army, we have what is called the K.I.S.S. method...
Keep
It
Simple
Stupid

I still think that this forum needs more Operatives or Moderator watching out for the forum...
too bad there is only one
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chris31jct said:
Also, no need for signatures or wether you are sending the post from xda premium or free or whatever phone.
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It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
Yes, I'm being sarcastic, but I think some of this is getting out of hand, one extreme to another. From little policing, by those that should, to over policing by those who re self-appointed, Vigilante's as it were.
There are moderators, there are tools to be used for reporting specific threads or posts in case they are overlooked.
Use those tools enough and the PTB's will start paying more attention to this forum maybe, and keeping it a bit more cleaned up.
Our mod seems to have a lot of other forums to police as well... so maybe we can end up with one who has more time to keep an eye on this place.

Core618 said:
It just keeps piling on, pretty soon someone will say there's no need for posting actual posts.
BTW, if you're going to suggest there's no need for signatures, please remove yours
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I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.

chris31jct said:
I mean the signature from the phone "Sent from T959 using Xda..." you know... not the one here. My bad.
Anyway I stated that people can and will post whatever they want, either be a good post or one ready to get flame. I was just saying my opinion. No offense intended.
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None taken, it's extremely hard to offend me anyway.
The XDA app and Tapatalk both add that little signature line by default. It's a single line and takes up less space than most other signatures (my own included, although I did drop my graphic at least)
And yea, people will be people, no matter what the rest of us say or do we're going to continue to see peeps that don't bother to search, they just want someone to spoonfeed them.
They are the same people who, after reading app and/or rom descriptions install/flash and then complain it's not what they expected, and they want this/that/or the other added to it, or removed from it, and they want it now.
Mostly this is because the whole world revolves around them, and these devs are here solely to provide them with everything, for free, without complaint, in a timely manner (timely being instantly!)
No matter how many posts are made referencing the proper way to do things, these same people will ignore them, because they know that the rules don't apply to them, those rules are for the 'other people', the ones the world doesn't revolve around.
So I use my own rules in regards to those wonderful folks. I flag/report the trolls, point out threads that need removed, help those that seem truly lost, yet not demanding, point others to the door.
The mods do respond, usually pretty quickly, to reported threads and posts. They just seem to stealth in and handle it.
I made use of it last night for a thread, when I got up this morning, the thread was gone.

What about an SGS 4G Facebook page?

It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
Sent from me

In theory it sounds great. However people will not post there for reason they dont post in proper sections here.
The real issue is this, the community is divided. I left the Optimus V because Virgins coverage sucks for me. I really wish I could have kept the phone and plan and the main reason is the community. At AC I swear the people there help everybody. Even if it is a question already asked. Somebody will pipe up and offer a link.
Im guilty as charged in attacking a n00b for being stupid. However witht eh cost of the Optimus V and the extremely cheap plan many people was buying the phone to tether and have cheap internet. And Most of those people were clueless as to what the hell they were doing. In most cases a friend told them about the phone and plan and how easy it was to root and start tethering. As a end user you dont want those people creating issues for your service. So if your rude and refuse to help they go away.
But right now I can point you to at the minimum of five threads where the community is helping the noobs and letting the devs do their thing. If a dev needs to address something they do. Otherwise the community answers questions. The biggest reason for this is changelogs, instructions, and all that stuff is never deleted just updated. Even if the rom has evolved to a new level. The old info is still posted so people can find out what changed in the various releases. Plus even after somebody asks the same question ten others have asked patience is exhibited and answers are given.
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.They are looking to get a answer for the problem at hand. Most of them will go away if pointed in the right direction. However when people start piling on flaming them for not searching properly it just creates more spam in the thread and drives them away. Then you have people that talk major **** about how xda is a bunch of arrogant f*cktards.

Plenty of people do help in my observations. Im new and signed up only to help people. Answered a 'noob' question before making this post, amd I was nice about it too.
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
If the answer to a simple and eady to answer question is out there and can be found by a search, and someone asks the question anyways after being told that is what they should do in yhe futurethat is laziness, not ignorance. And getting on their case is not arrogance, some of those asking questions have high enough post counts here, they should of learned how to make their own way by now.
I should also add that I have no programming experience, and have only been using a smartphone for 3 months. Yet I have never had to ask a question about how to install a rom or fix a brick. Because I searched for the answer, and everyone else should too.
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eollie said:
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.

Holocene said:
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question. Yesterday I searched for something I had seen posted the search results..stated they were updated 10 minutes before I had searched. How is that even possible?
FBis251 said:
How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
Not every person that comes here for answers is a dev or wants to be a dev.

@ eollie: I have a great idea... quit talking about it and writing these long unnecessary posts and start helping. Lead by example! Maybe others will follow suit since you seem to think people don't help others on here. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these LONG posts?

eollie said:
I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question.
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I generally bookmark posts that contain information relevant to my interests that I may not be able to commit to memory at the time. Yes, some get changed but most are because the information is wrong or outdated. Another post nearby most likely holds updated info.
eollie said:
Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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Holocene said:
I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I spent three hours tearing apart a rom to find a wallpaper used on the lockscreen. Im not a dev nor am I a themer but even doing a search for where lockscreen wallpaper is located kept directing me to widgetlocker and those types of apps. A week ago I would have just posted here in hopes somebody would point me in the proper direction. Instead I just sat in front of my computer for three hours because I didnt want to deal with the responses.
Your smartass response...well its not so smart.
@lumin30 dude seriously if you dont like my posts ignore them. Im sorry the community here is absolutely horrendous in helping people. Prime example is the post I have quoted above. Instead of taking what I was saying and using it logically he took it literally. I wasnt asking where I was using a simple example of what I have seen here. Then he even attempted to insult me with his last comment.
Im not here to make friends or enemies. Im here lookig for ways to better my android experience. When that experience is hampered because some tool wants to be a internet badass it pisses me off. Especially when in the process of berating somebody they prove how ignorant they really are. Most people that post here are human beings once in a while you will get a spam bot but 99% of the time you are dealing with a human. Some are old enough to be your grandparents others your teenage brother/sister.

POST REMOVED for sake of preventing a four paragraph response!

wow.....
i really could say something towards this thread for you guys to feed on, but i'll just shut my mouth and just say one more word.
wow.....
now what's the title of this thread again? sorry, but reading all this here made me forget. and sorry for yet another 4 paragraph response.
sent from within pure darkness

eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
MY RESPONSE: OK

lumin30 said:
eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
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And you just cant let it go can you? I apologized to him and he has accepted it. See adults work things out and accept mistakes and apologies. I guess a child like you just wants to keep the friction and tension high so you appear to be superior. Regarding my not following my own advise in ignoring people..I find your posts in response to me very amusing. You just can help yourself and not respond. Your like a woman arguing to get the last word in. You just cant help it. I would say Im look forward to your response but honestly its not fun anymore you are too predictable.
lumin will post within the next ten minutes rebuting me.

Your name calling, swearing, and the chauvanistic and defamatory comments you just made speak on your behalf. Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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Holocene said:
Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
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Im glad you feel that way. I have seen it first hand tho. You even did it in your initial post to me. Tried to insult me via your last comment. Good god its like people cant see past their own nose. Im guilty as charged in smashing noobs with a bat. But Ive never claimed to not do it. I just think sometimes it is not necessary.
Holocene said:
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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High road exit was before you posted to me initially. Getting back now will be a long process or winding mountainous roads. Dont forget to enjoy the view along the way tho. There is some awesome put out points to take pictures.

as much as i'd hate to say this, but i see this thread getting deleted before the weekend.
itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device. trust me, i've checked the mytouch 3g slide forums (my fiance's device) and the galaxy tab 10.1 forums (my next device) and have yet to see what goes on here on those forums. seems to me MOST people with this device are nothing but spoiled little teenagers that are spoon fed all the time. it's no wonder the devs are dropping like flies. if i was a dev, i would leave also. sorry for ranting on your thread itz, but felt this was the best place to put in my 2 cents worth.
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droidmyst said:
now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device.
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I mentioned it before but a lot of people ignore wikis because they are typically out of date. In the beginning people will update them regularly and then just stop. However after some time looking around I can say the SGS4G wiki is just the opposite. Tons of info and for the most part easy to navigate. Which brings up another problem with wikis. The ability to navigate it easily and endless loops of redirects. Again the SGS4G doesnt appear to suffer from that.
Maybe instead of the sticky posts with thread links we could get a single thread with wiki links. That way info is updated and people are spending an hour navigating through search results within one thread. In my mind this makes sense just putting it in print is eluding me.

Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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vgcraze said:
Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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The fact it is personal and exposes peoples real identity is what makes it awesome. Most of the people here wouldnt act the way they did if they were made to use real name and such. Being anonymous has so many advantages and disadvantages.

Can I just point out that I started a thread with a guide to flashing and is intended to help the devs buffer the questions to that thread
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itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum?
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back on the actual topic, since it has once again been derailed by the self-appointed thread police....
Devs are not leaving us only for the reasons you stated. Some of that may be part of it, but it's not the sum total...
As for Facebook page... feel free to create one, and I wish you the best of luck.. as one of those 'weird' people who doesn't use Facebook, i won't be coming to visit it...

Atrix 2 could get unlocked bootloader

http://www.androidpolice.com/2012/0...e-a-way-to-unlock-to-those-who-wish-to-do-so/
The last comment seems to suggest Moto could be following in HTC's footsteps. Sorry if I posted in the wrong section. Just seems like the best news we have gotten in regards to our atrix 2
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Seems like you are blind.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1764700
When will people learn to use forums.

When will people stop being pricks and show some common respect?
The guy was trying to be helpful.
*waits for the "I'm tired of noobs who don't search, read rules, and so on responses and all the others.*
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DarrellRaines said:
When will people stop being pricks and show some common respect?
The guy was trying to be helpful.
*waits for the "I'm tired of noobs who don't search, read rules, and so on responses and all the others.*
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He posted this in the wrong forum. How does this even have anything to do Development on the Atrix 2?
The answer, it doesn't.
I know that myself and the other devs in here, are so tired of people who don't follow the rules and make idiot posts, and you go and stick up for another one of these dumb posts.... you can go join him in the banned category.
Please learn how to search there are several posts in the last 24 hours about this.

jimbridgman said:
He posted this in the wrong forum. How does this even have anything to do Development on the Atrix 2?
The answer, it doesn't.
I know that myself and the other devs in here, are so tired of people who don't follow the rules and make idiot posts, and you go and stick up for another one of these dumb posts.... you can go join him in the banned category.
Please learn how to search there are several posts in the last 24 hours about this.
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Look, I am Kind of in the middle here. It does piss me off big time when people do this, but I understand. Do you remember the **** storm that came when we had the first ICS leak? there were like 50 posts ad 100s in one topic repeating things.
My point is that sometimes people do just get excited and forget to read. I do get mad, but I have some forgiveness if they admit their wrongness and delete it.
I know XDA is about the developers, but none of us started that way. Most of us learned from this forum, we started as n00bs. I remember the first time I softbricked my phone, and freaked out. I spent hours researching how to get it back. Now I could do it in my sleep (and sort of have).
I certainly am not at your level yet, but I do know what I am doing a lot more than I did 709 posts and 225 thanks ago. I originally thought to myself "how am I ever going to get 10 posts" when I was trying to post in the dev section.
Let people know when they are being dumb, but have some forgiveness as long as they realize it and fix it.

Sorry for posting this, I usually just check the Development section. I thought it was noteworthy, would be happy to delete this to clean up the Development section if someone can tell me how. I have been a XDA member for a long time but I rarely post, so I am not sure how to delete the thread if it is even possible. Hopefully this does mean good news for us Atrix 2 owners if Motorola decides to start unlocking program like HTC.

lkrasner said:
Look, I am Kind of in the middle here. It does piss me off big time when people do this, but I understand. Do you remember the **** storm that came when we had the first ICS leak? there were like 50 posts ad 100s in one topic repeating things.
My point is that sometimes people do just get excited and forget to read. I do get mad, but I have some forgiveness if they admit their wrongness and delete it.
I know XDA is about the developers, but none of us started that way. Most of us learned from this forum, we started as n00bs. I remember the first time I softbricked my phone, and freaked out. I spent hours researching how to get it back. Now I could do it in my sleep (and sort of have).
I certainly am not at your level yet, but I do know what I am doing a lot more than I did 709 posts and 225 thanks ago. I originally thought to myself "how am I ever going to get 10 posts" when I was trying to post in the dev section.
Let people know when they are being dumb, but have some forgiveness as long as they realize it and fix it.
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I totally agree. It is not the OP that I am getting on here, it is DarrellRaines... he is not a noob, obviously from is post count, so he should know the rules better.

lkrasner said:
Look, I am Kind of in the middle here. It does piss me off big time when people do this, but I understand. Do you remember the **** storm that came when we had the first ICS leak? there were like 50 posts ad 100s in one topic repeating things.
My point is that sometimes people do just get excited and forget to read. I do get mad, but I have some forgiveness if they admit their wrongness and delete it.
I know XDA is about the developers, but none of us started that way. Most of us learned from this forum, we started as n00bs. I remember the first time I softbricked my phone, and freaked out. I spent hours researching how to get it back. Now I could do it in my sleep (and sort of have).
I certainly am not at your level yet, but I do know what I am doing a lot more than I did 709 posts and 225 thanks ago. I originally thought to myself "how am I ever going to get 10 posts" when I was trying to post in the dev section.
Let people know when they are being dumb, but have some forgiveness as long as they realize it and fix it.
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Exactly! Why banish the noob who is trying to learn. Or just does not know. The whole point to this website is a community of devs, phone enthusiasts, and geeks.
I actually find it quite rude. Maybe if this post was fake. Or maybe it linked you to a rick roll ....whatever then I would laugh and be annoyed.
All I'm saying is that this person was trying to help. They posted something of value that some of us had no knowledge of.
Just my 2 cents.
Hit the thanks button if I helped or if I just made you laugh!!!

Actually an unlocked boot loader has a fair amount of something to do with the dev section but hey what do I know. I'm just the guy tired of people being dicks and pricks to people who screw up.
Thanks for not letting me down on the posts. Albeit I was expecting more...I don't know...maybe just more.
My point is instead of insulting the guy by calling him blind, he could have been decent and simply stated it had been posted and just say please check.
Its a common theme here. As soon as someone has their own rom they tend to become raging pricks and think they own the dev section. I could be just seeing things one way but its seems to be how things have been lately.
Now if the mods feel I should be banned for calling people out on being less than nice, oh well. There are worse things in the world than being kicked off a forum for 24 hours. I'd say being rude to a guy trying to be helpful would be one but u digress.
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A common theme in here is that people don't read before posting. We are cluttered with the same bootloader, cm9 and ics posts on a daily basis.
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tmease1 said:
A common theme in here is that people don't read before posting. We are cluttered with the same bootloader, cm9 and ics posts on a daily basis.
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I won't argue that. Its annoying to say the least, but we shouldn't expect everyone to magically follow the rules and be rude to people. People can disagree and hate me all they want, but being rude and callous has never once helped a situation.
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Man...even just the browser. Google. Bing that ****, whatever. Way easier anyway right? I'm sure that's how most of us started reading up on androids and rooting. Rules are given to you in the begining to read for a reason. I know most people don't read that cuz they think it's bull**** or whatever. But it is what it is...rules are rules. Just like laws...sure you can break em n get away with it here n there or minor infractions. But get the wrong Mod up in here n you can kiss your ass goodbye on a lil vacation. I know this from expeirence in other Forums. It's cool to give out news but do it in the right spot, or just reply to a thread already made. Posting a new thread should be a last resort if you cannot find your topic anywhere! Whatever, dude made a mistake. First reply could've been a little more humble about it and informative I guess. And OP should have searched before posting. Let's delete and move on...Don't make em walk the plank...we all family here right? Hahahaha.
Edit: and post #3 should know better too man. Come at dude in a better way. Like Jim said, That flaming stuff makes you look bad on the forums n no one will wanna help you out in the future. It's cool man, mistakes are made. We're not perfect.

DarrellRaines said:
Actually an unlocked boot loader has a fair amount of something to do with the dev section but hey what do I know. I'm just the guy tired of people being dicks and pricks to people who screw up.
Thanks for not letting me down on the posts. Albeit I was expecting more...I don't know...maybe just more.
My point is instead of insulting the guy by calling him blind, he could have been decent and simply stated it had been posted and just say please check.
Its a common theme here. As soon as someone has their own rom they tend to become raging pricks and think they own the dev section. I could be just seeing things one way but its seems to be how things have been lately.
Now if the mods feel I should be banned for calling people out on being less than nice, oh well. There are worse things in the world than being kicked off a forum for 24 hours. I'd say being rude to a guy trying to be helpful would be one but u digress.
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In a way you right that an unlocked bootloader should have something to do with dev work, but again the rules state that ONLY your own work goes into the dev section. Not Q&A or posts that have some information about an unlocked bootloader, or even a ROM from another phone you want a dev to port. All of those things belong in the General section.
The reason I get frustrated is because I give my time and effort and a whole lot of my non-working time, freely I might add, to dev work here on XDA, so when there is little respect shown to the rules, that also shows little respect to the developers in here. I will have to say that your post was way worse than the OPs mistake, because you also showed little respect for the developers on here. and your last post showed even less respect for our devs in here.
And yes I will totally admit that the guy calling the OP blind was uncalled for, but again by doing what you have done shows little respect to our dev community and that makes me not want to read your posts or help you out if you get in a bind.

DarrellRaines said:
When will people stop being pricks and show some common respect?
The guy was trying to be helpful.
*waits for the "I'm tired of noobs who don't search, read rules, and so on responses and all the others.*
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I am with you. How about we simply say- "Hey thanks for posting this. It does belong elsewhere. Let me help you..."

iraqmilner said:
I am with you. How about we simply say- "Hey thanks for posting this. It does belong elsewhere. Let me help you..."
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Just PM the Guy and take it offline, no need to reply to a bad thread. These things blow up so fast it is not even funny.

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In a way you right that an unlocked bootloader should have something to do with dev work, but again the rules state that ONLY your own work goes into the dev section. Not Q&A or posts that have some information about an unlocked bootloader, or even a ROM from another phone you want a dev to port. All of those things belong in the General section.
The reason I get frustrated is because I give my time and effort and a whole lot of my non-working time, freely I might add, to dev work here on XDA, so when there is little respect shown to the rules, that also shows little respect to the developers in here. I will have to say that your post was way worse than the OPs mistake, because you also showed little respect for the developers on here. and your last post showed even less respect for our devs in here.
And yes I will totally admit that the guy calling the OP blind was uncalled for, but again by doing what you have done shows little respect to our dev community and that makes me not want to read your posts or help you out if you get in a bind.
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Jim for the record you are one of the few that I actually like. That said you are doing exactly what I was talking about. You don't need to pat yourself on the back or tell us who you are and what you do. We know already. We've all been here long enough to know your contributions.
Again people can hate me, but I have to speak my mind when I have something to say. Its who I am. You can call it as you see it just as I did with the first response.
If anyone feels I don't contribute, so be it. If they don't want to help me, so be it. I'm a big boy and can manage to figure it out. I'm still going to speak my mind. I wouldn't begrudge anyone for doing it as long as they dont insult people...well at least insult them with a little class.
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I might have been harsh but this forum is getting bloated everyday by dupe posts n irrelevant questions that have already been answered N number of times.And for a person posting n following bootloader news and checking atrix2 section for development it aint that hard to check other and new posts.How many times has everyone said here that please look before you repost please use search..Had OP done a little search on the topic he would have got the result.Forget about that even while making a new thread if your topic name is same XDA throws up search result, Still people go on making same topic threads again for what ? just to gain posts ? This is not the way someone behaves on forum.Forums have rules and they are meant to be followed.But people don't and look at our forum its so much bloated had everyone followed atleast one rule of searching or looking out there would have been loads of less threads.Also do people really think that posting a topic 1-2 days after its originally posted somewhere is really smart ? Come on this is not your group of friends its INTERNET and it includes people over the world and people who are much smarter than me you or anyone.Accept it.So just give a thought you dont even have to do mathematics,simple logic says that someone would have already posted it,could have search just for sake of that..But again who cares some break rules some take the sides of those who break rules.Can't help and the post like what i made comes out of frustration and losing patience.
PS : A video from XDA for all those who think rules are flexible and taken for granted and there is always a first time :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA
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Archmag3 said:
I might have been harsh but this forum is getting bloated everyday by dupe posts n irrelevant questions that have already been answered N number of times.And for a person posting n following bootloader news and checking atrix2 section for development it aint that hard to check other and new posts.How many times has everyone said here that please look before you repost please use search..Had OP done a little search on the topic he would have got the result.Forget about that even while making a new thread if your topic name is same XDA throws up search result, Still people go on making same topic threads again for what ? just to gain posts ? This is not the way someone behaves on forum.Forums have rules and they are meant to be followed.But people don't and look at our forum its so much bloated had everyone followed atleast one rule of searching or looking out there would have been loads of less threads.Also do people really think that posting a topic 1-2 days after its originally posted somewhere is really smart ? Come on this is not your group of friends its INTERNET and it includes people over the world and people who are much smarter than me you or anyone.Accept it.So just give a thought you dont even have to do mathematics,simple logic says that someone would have already posted it,could have search just for sake of that..But again who cares some break rules some take the sides of those who break rules.Can't help and the post like what i made comes out of frustration and losing patience.
PS : A video from XDA for all those who think rules are flexible and taken for granted and there is always a first time :
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WOW that video is so old, it is not even funny. I remember when I first signed up on this site, the very first login that popped up before I could pull up the forum. I wonder if they still do that for all the n00bs when they first login.

jimbridgman said:
WOW that video is so old, it is not even funny. I remember when I first signed up on this site, the very first login that popped up before I could pull up the forum. I wonder if they still do that for all the n00bs when they first login.
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I've been on here for a couple of years and never seen it. Maybe Archmag3 should keep that video for tomorrows repeated questions or posts.
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tmease1 said:
I've been on here for a couple of years and never seen it. Maybe Archmag3 should keep that video for tomorrows repeated questions or posts.
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Haha..That made me laugh :laugh: but no seriously everyone should just post that video instead of posting anything else for repeated questions or posts/threads