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Disappointed in the rudeness I am reading :(

Hey guys I was meandering through the forum reading up on the root progress, and I read about a member's idea and work on an automated root, I just want to say that from a dedicated member to the inc forum I am disappointed in the flaming and garbage that all you "experienced" devs are throwing at the people who haven't used adb before... Come on guys if you can't be kind why say something, you know? They won't learn if somebody is discouraging them from even trying... So just a thought, be kind because discouragement is not what these forums are about guys.
Peace to all you silly android fans out there and happy rooting!

People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.

engagedtosmile said:
People will make those sort of comments unfortunately.
And people will make these sort of posts about it.
Just another day on almost every community forums.
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Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times

It has nothing to do with being rude or polite... The root process is very crude at the moment, recovery is not fully functional and You really can't back up if you fubar your phone... There is a very strong possibility of making a paper weight with the current method ... Just be patient I hear unrEVOked is working on root which won't come out until a solid recovery is running
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Here is a link for anyone needing adb help. i made a post in a thread with links to help users learn adb and understand it. i understand the being new and needing help. the link in the post are the links i used to learn adb and everything with it.
Will go directly to my post with links:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=12255365&postcount=27

I agree with the OP...it was just the attitude of some of them that was the issue. Very rude and condescending. I do agree that right now it's a crude root method and that without a solid working recovery it's not advisable for anyone but the experienced. BUT that is no reason to denigrate those that want a one click solution down the line when things are solid.

When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
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The above post is correct. Don't let anyone discourage you. We were all new to this at one point, and I don't think there is a single one of us that did not get an impolite comment directed towards a valid question at some point during the learning process.
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People are just rude in general. If you say something someone doesn't agree with, they make damn sure you know they disapprove. I took my leave from the INC forums after the iPhone 4 debacle that happened in the general forum. That and someone told me my ROM list was stupid and worthless in a PM...
I concur, I can ADB like I'm typing a paper (I have extensive command line experience) but my gf, who bought her first android phone recently, can hardly turn a computer on.
Long story short, some people don't want to risk breaking their brand spanking new phone just to have more functionality. If an easy, tried and true method presents itself, people will not only flock to it, but they will gladly give money for it (I know I would). Calling someone a noob or making fun of them is counter-productive and will deter all future forward progress here. No one wants to dev for a bunch of ingrates and jerks.
+1 to the OP.

necosino said:
When the Inc first was rooted, I remember the same types of posts about not knowing adb = shouldn't root.
It's just part of the territory. Also it leads to the same hand-holding through the process 50x a day.
It'll pass, just like it did with the Inc
Ditto- I know what I don't know. And I don't know adb.
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I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....

magneticzero said:
I agree 100%. Too many jerks here for this forum to be a useful resouce atm. Maybe one day down the line....
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I would, respectfully, disagree w/that statement.
IMHO what happens is people get tired of listening to the same questions over and over and over - this is why we have a search button and why google kicks ass too. I think people get snippy after seeing the 8 millionth person come in and ask "what's root" or "what's a ROM".
I'm not sure of the rudeness the OP was mentioning as I haven't seen it in regards to NOOB developers, but from my own personal experience around here I've found this place to be very helpful. I learned all I could about rooting my Eris via google and on another one of the android forums, ultimately a google search landed me here and I took the plunge and rooted and started w/the Kaos ROMS before trying many, many others.
People shouldn't just come in and start asking Q's - they should look around first and when they don't, that's why trouble starts (not here, on ANY forum).
As far as the OP here goes, I haven't read the posts he was talking about, but I can understand why -if somebody was looking for legitimate "how to" info on development and that person was met w/a bunch of crap - they would be frustrated.
I love it here

If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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Captainkrtek said:
If you find any rude people pm me about them, I have a hammer
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We also have a chicken and a kraken (sp??) ....

As one of the newer users here, I understand where both sides are coming from. The amount of content here is kind of intimidating for some people, and those who are looking for a "do everything" solution such as one-click root are going to be dissappointed. And then some people are so impatient to root that they'll be pestering people, asking any question that helps them out immediately, not checking for already posted questions, and that's the hand-holding that is being criticized/attacked here.
But I do see where they are coming from. There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
If anything, some of the most important information that needs to be more accessible IMO is the links to the driver/tweaking the driver for the device to be picked up with adb.

Russ36363 said:
There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum. Unfortunately, not everyone is going to read all the threads here, nor will many set foot in the general Android forums here I think, so they don't know where to start, and many will ask their own questions in their own thread(s).
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We all have our moments. I tend to answer the questions first, then include something like if you have to ask this, you're probably not ready to do it on your own yet, or here's your answer, but a simple search would have revealed it.
Google and search are our friends. Most of the "old timers" just get annoyed when people ask something that could have easily been found with either a Google search (set site to xda if only interested in xda responses) or with a forum search (search from main area that covers all subsections, use "show posts" and skim through the results), because the same question has been/asked answered dozens of times already.
All that said, the sub-forum structure across devices is inconsistent, the protocols of where to ask/post isn't consistent, and the search feature in xda absolutely SUCKS. I've always considered myself a pretty good query builder to find what I want quickly, but even I have to run through multiple searches to find what I'm looking for. The 30 second delay between being able to start a new query can be very frustrating, if xda dropped that to 10 seconds or so, it would probably encourage more multiple searches before asking. It's no wonder newer members get frustrated, though many are just too lazy or desperate to take the time to look...

Captainkrtek said:
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Alright good to know, thank you
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Russ36363 said:
There is a lot of information here that is important, but with the volume of posts, it gets lost, and there seems to be no direct go-to thread or threads for people to ask questions like that in this forum.
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A Q&A sub-forum would help with this. It helped the Fascinate forum out a lot with the very same issues described in this thread.
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Garrett07 said:
Just saying man, coming from the inc forum where we actually help eachother... Its no way to talk to somebody who could actually turn into a decent dev, its happened tons of times
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I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.

qwirked said:
I just want to say that until last night I HAD no idea how to use adb. One of those devs that you are complaining is so rude, got me the help I needed, to the point that they were on RDP with me and handheld me thru it, even straight did some sections.
In ither words I'm finding nothing but help from the dev community.
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I never said they aren't helping, I'm saying that rudeness is not what forum communities need to be based on, its not right that people have to have attitude online, nor in general, people come to forums for help and communication they don't want to get on a thread and see that somebody has posted a reply being rude to their work and or statement, its just something I'd like to see change but it never will

[Rant] What you want but didn't get

I'm just throwing this out there...So agree if you do or don't if you don't.
Personally, I'm tired of reading various ROM threads and seeing people cry or complain about features that are not included.
If you are using ROM "X" and want the features of ROM "Y", THEN FU**ING USE THE ROM THAT HAS THE FEATURES YOU WANT! Or just learn to code yourself.
There are plenty of tutorials on this site. Enough so, that one could literally build a ROM from scratch if they wanted to.
Granted, I'm no dev by any means...but I don't run around crying about features lost or features gained. Those of you that complain...you have the WORLD at your fingertips. USE THE SEARCH FEATURE! USE GOOGLE!
If I hurt your feelings by posting this, then good. You deserved it. That is all. My asshole moment is now over.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I have been on this site for 2 years. I never really posted much. I spent my time searching and reading the posts. I notice the new trend is to just ask a question without any searching then ***** about the answers you receive. Ok, now I'm done.
Maybe you should name this the Rant Thread, haha.
Agree with tribalartgod
+10

Agreed. Here's my rant...
Rant no. 1...I am so sick of ppl crying about scratched screens and broken phones. QUIT BEING CHEAP AND BUY SCREEN PROTECTORS AND PROTECTIVE CASES!!! These are smartphones that are easily broken or scratched. These are not the basic flip phone that are more durable. Use common sense and protect your investment! If you break your phone with protection, then you did something so destructive, there was no hope for it anyways.
Rant no. 2...I am so sick of ppl posting....help! I messed up my phone because I'm too lazy to read and research about how to do things PROPERLY! More times than not, if you do your due diligence and research, read, and follow basic instructions, you will find that you will have very little issues, if any. And how about ppl that cut corners and take short cuts to try and save time. Do this, and you will find yourself spending more time troubleshooting issues because you didn't do it properly. Research, read, and follow instructions. Its just as simple as that.
/rant
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Ahhhh that was very refreshing to read. I agree with your rant 100%.
Rant no...3: I have two roms, which one is the best?
There is no such thing as the best one, geez. Just try both of them and see what you like more.
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yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)

I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
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@Thremix... As far as the search thing is concerned, there really should not be any excuse at all. It's a big button that says "Search this Thread", or "Search this forum."
I can't speak for anyone but myself on this... But if you post in the wrong section, or what have you... I personally will tell you the answer if I know it. But in doing so, I also tell you it has already been posted, and provide the link to that thread. If it's in the wrong section, I'll answer you, and tell you it's in the wrong section.
As far as flaming people... Ignorance leads to that. And unfortunately, I am guilty of flaming people before. I'd be a liar if I said otherwise. And I too, am guilty of posting in the wrong section sometimes.
Sometimes the categories just aren't specific enough... For example: Themes and Apps... If it is your own work, I feel it should go in the Dev section. that's just me. If it's someone else's, then yes, in the Themes and Apps section.

Scott_S said:
I just tried to flash Rom X and my phone is stuck on the white HTC screen and then when I try to go into clockwork its just black and I can't see anything and then when I tried to root it failed and now I have no sound and there's a guide that's stickied on the general section that says guide to rooting and flashing and 400 similar posts to mine but can u help me plz.
Thx
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+1
LMFAO.

Thremix said:
yay!! I can throw in my rant??
Rant 1
I am so sick of people who are sick if people asking questions... Even if they have been askee 100 times. If the question could only be asked one time, this forum would have like 5 threads...
Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
Rant 3
I'm sick of people not being able to asked questions with out fear of being flamed because they were "to lazy to search " some times you just want to ask with out having to search, or simply don't know how.. mind blowing isn't it?! Some one not knowing how to search!
Rant 4
I'm sure some idiot will come in here and flame me.... In sick of that as well! ;-)
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No flame, just going to say that 3 of your rants are about the first rule of these here forums.
Forum Rules
Not to mention that that no flaming is the second rule.
While we can politely ask them to search, most time I will tell them to search or read while posting a helpful link.
Now my rant:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant

A real kicker for me is the inability to write a thread title. "Has anyone else noticed?" "Am I the only one?" "HELP" are examples of completely useless thread titles and doesn't explain what you're trying to convey at all.
I'm not exactly the most patient person in the world and my personality comes off fairly blunt but I'm glad to see that quite a few people are annoyed at exactly the same things I am. I'm fairly new to XDA as a whole but these kinds of things go on in pretty much every other forum I've been somewhat active on as well.
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Rant 2
I'm so sick of people posting "use the search" you know... You could have just posted the answers, just saying ;-)
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I'll typically answer it and give a link to another thread that's exactly the same question that I found in 5 seconds using search. Or just simply post a link to the thread and hope that people can figure it out by themselves (which usually isn't the case). But bloody hell, there's been so many "which rom is the best?" threads lately that I've been staying out of General and just sticking to a few select threads under the development section.

mudknot2005 said:
I don't understand why I can't buy alcohol after 2 in the morning its ludicrous! /rant
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As soon as I saw that I KNEW you were in Texas without even looking.
Stupid MF'ing blue laws, if anything should get flamed, it is those.
Even dumber: Why can't I buy a car on Sunday?

tribalartgod said:
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LMFAO.
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And the more substantive version of my rant...
I actually don't use search as much as I would like, as most of my posts are from the XDA app, not the full site. And there is a significant difference in functionality.
However, instead of posting a new thread for each random question that enters my brain, I'll at least thread-browse and subscribe, reading the entire thread.
The problem is that people just want to be spoon-fed the answers to problems that have, 9 out of 10 times, already been previously encountered...and solved.
They often times seem to have the attitude that XDA is free technical support, here to cater to them. Not. It takes time to answer questions, no one gets paid for it, and having to repeat the same answer to a fresh face multiple times per day gets a little tiresome.
Personally, I *prefer* having information prior to doing something I'm unsure about, it's when there's a lot of slightly different answers to the same question that tempts me to ask for clarification.
Still not enough to break my "0 new threads started," though. I saving that for a special occasion.
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#1- bravo
#2- [email protected]%ing rofl
I can see this being the thread of the year. Whatever was on your mind but you didn't wanna be an asshole and post- let it out.
Edit- and this is what happens when companies like apple have the attitude -'every single one of our users is an utter moron, so we better spoon feed and restrict what they can do'- but they used a one click jailbreak so there super hackers. I'm kinda glad this phone isn't a simple one click root. It makes the users at least READ and research a little so they might start to understand a little what's going on
I'm the kind of person that when I do something, I don't want a step by step tutorial with exactly what buttons to push on the keyboard, I want to know why and what I'm doing when I'm doing it. That's just me though.

I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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+1
You have no idea how much I agree with this!
I do tech support for a living... I feel your pain.

TheBassman369 said:
I'm going to rant because I think there should be a 15 question quiz you should be required to pass before you could post or create new topics in anything related to development. /short rant end
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Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
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cdfink08 said:
Ive done my fair share of asking questions that have probably been answered before...heres a thought though, why cant the inspire 4g part of the forum have a Q&A section like some of the other phones listed? It would clean up the general forum quite a bit.
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I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
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I never realized that people were required to read a thread, let alone reply to it. If someone's thread starts with "I scratched my screen", why bother reading it if you are not interested. I think it is expected to see these type of posts in the General section. If all you want to do is read about developement, there is a section for that. I previously learned to hack the **** of my Windows phone thanks to some very helpful people here at XDA. Despite the fact that I haven't rooted my Inspire, I visit here daily because I have learned to do some other things and about a lot of other things. I'm new to Android. When someone posts about scratching their screen, some helpful guys will come in with recommendations about which brands of screen protectors and cases they use and the pros and cons of them. I like that. I wouldn't expect to see that in the developers section, but I'm ok with it in the General section. As far as the guys that get in trouble when rooting, searching is not as easy as one would assume, especially if in a panic state. When you already know what went wrong it's probably an easy search. For someone that is looking at non functional phone without knowing what the hell went wrong, it might not be as easy. I will probably eventually root, but not until I'm ready. Probably when AT&T refuses to release that Gingerbread upgrade. In the meantime, even reading about the problems noobs run into helps me. As far as what the op posted about different roms, I do agree. Try them out and if the perfect one is not out there for you, suck it up and pick one. I don't post much, but I do like to read and hate to see discouragement towards the noobs and posters that just post general issues or that get into trouble. I'm pretty sure we all started somewheres.
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TheBassman369 said:
I don't think any of the newer phone forums have a Q&A section. I guess they figured that it was close enough to general. And it's not necessarily the question asking that gets annoying; no one minds helping. It's asking a question that has been asked 7 times in the last 4 pages. I just generally answer the questions, but I have seen it happen to some people so much (read: the MIUI thread lol) that it gets annoyingly redundant to answer the same question over....and over....and over....
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Motorola Atrix and HTC Thunderbolt

I mentioned that issue to mr. clown about two months ago, and he said it is up to the admins.
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People here are #$#@%^&

Ok I'm a newer member here, but not to hacking and yes I posted a thread yesterday about the HTC reps givin the ok to state that the Thunderbolt would be getting Gingerbread in the 3rd quarter. I only put it up because it was being reported on other forums and maybe just maybe someone would care....
I never expected to be slammed by memebers of this forum for doing so because I only have "4" post. You cant post on the Development board unless you have 10 post???So how does somebody get thier if the put up something and it's slamed all over. I can really understand why all the Devs are RUNNING away from XDA. The personality of this forum is really awfull. I will probably be kicked off here after this and I really don't care thier are numerous forums around and I did post the same thread on a couple other board and not one of then slammed me for doing so and locked the thread. I have gingerbread so I don'r really care when it comes down but it would be nice to have an official rom for the DEVS to work with..
Thanks for the pleasantries XDA

I'm new and I'm nice to everyone.
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razzia17 said:
I'm new and I'm nice to everyone.
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and you are the exception..(the nice part)...im scared as hell to even post this here..ive been victim of this as well...
while back a leaked radio was (found) then week or so later another radio leak popped up and the file size was different,...simply posted MY THOUGHTS on the file size being different.... and people were calling me mentally ill????....bi polar and manic depression were the claims... if they Are such GREAT psycholigists and can make a diagnosis from a forum post....why are they at home talking **** and NOT HELPING PEOPLE,...way to do your part in this life. with people like that, n wonder the country is such a wreck. but i do have to agree people around this place are F**ked a**holes.
the devs RUNNING is obvious and i think ALOT of newbs are scared and not even wanting to ask for help for fear of being ripped on.
ALOT of people on here just respond crapppy things to people just trying to share some info...well i dont blame them eiher for going somewhere else
bout to delete bookmark for this headache.. good luck to those who dont

Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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I myself posted to your thread and my rant was more towards the news itself. Against the reps and stuff continiously blowing smoke up our a$$. Sorry if you felt it was a personal attach on you as a poster.
I have experience both sides. Some people here are super nice, understand that some are noobs and will go through great lenghts to help you out. Others gets off on bashing people and acting like they are the sh!t when they are probably some techy geek living in their moms basement.

CanesDrew said:
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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this is exactly what I'm talking about, there isn't much info here anymore they all took it to other sights. I'm pretty laid back personaly but I had to have a say about what I've seen here since March when I got my Thunderbolt..I*'m not complaining just stating facts and it seems that alot of people agree..

CanesDrew said:
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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I don't remember reading anything anywhere that stated you had the authority to say who can/cannot post here, or whether or not they should "go somewhere else."
The OP makes a good point. What's worse, someone making an observation that might help others think twice before they slam someone, or someone replying to a post with no other motive than to play king and tell someone s/he is stupid and telling s/he to go somewhere else?
It's pretty obvious which is the more mature of the two methods.
There have been times where I thought someone's information was lacking credibility. I've asked questions, but haven't taken cheap shots. What's the point?
Joel

Exactly why Team Bamf left...I haven't checked these forums since Bamf left and this is one of the first things I see! Another reason why Bamf will always be the best, with the best Devs, Themers, Contributors, members, etc! Glad to be a member of such a great team of devs and themers! Bunch of uncivilized people on here that don't know how to act. Unbelievable...Everyone needs to drop whatever they're on and get Bamf'd. Getting ready for a sick rom drop...(I know b/c I've tested it, themed it, and played with it!)

Taykiin said:
Exactly why Team Bamf left...I haven't checked these forums since Bamf left and this is one of the first things I see! Another reason why Bamf will always be the best, with the best Devs, Themers, Contributors, members, etc! Glad to be a member of such a great team of devs and themers! Bunch of uncivilized people on here that don't know how to act. Unbelievable...Everyone needs to drop whatever they're on and get Bamf'd. Getting ready for a sick rom drop...(I know b/c I've tested it, themed it, and played with it!)
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Then why are you back, besides dudes other thread got locked.
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00negative said:
Then why are you back, besides dudes other thread got locked.
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Uh, just wanted to see what was new on here; don't need to be ignorant, people need to learn to be civil and quit acting like a bunch of 5 year olds.

This thread seems fun.

CanesDrew said:
Man, you people have such a sense of entitlement. No one pays for these forums. No one is begging you to stay or sign up.
Therefore if you don't like the forums, don't stay. But continuing to post threads complaining about your experience is stupid.
Go somewhere else.
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What do you mean....'you people'?

I have seen some extremely helpful people on here thats why i come here. I do go to other forums for some things because thats where the dev's for certain things went. Some people have been treated very unfairly on this forum and no it shouldn't be like that. Personally I have had people say stupid stuff to me but in the end ya gotta realize with this many people on here there are bound to be those with no social skills at all who's intellectual capacity goes just below the Waterboy. Block em, bleep em or beat em with your own wit. I realize that being on any forum and in fact just being on the internet means there are those who take on internet personas of being the baddest dude in the world. Fuhgeddaboutit. If thats what a person has to do to make themselves feel better i make my comments then i talk around them. Or I'll let them know their comments mean less to me than what i clean off my shoes after mowing the lawn..(stupid neighbor dog grr)
"Can't we all just get along?" No, probably not.
To the douchebags out there who find time to bash people who post here............pfltttttttttttt. Go climb a mountain empty your worldly frustrations then come back, grab a latte, and lets chat.
That's my two cents.

I agree with the OP. I frequent completely different sets of threads and it's the same everywhere. Why take the time to post something negative? Why? As much as people complain about contributing to the community, flaming posts certainly do not . Oh well, when something such as the internet exists, some people will use that avenue to be abrasively rude and inconsiderate. Etiquette applies in all social interaction situations, not just in person .

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Ok I'm a newer member here, but not to hacking and yes I posted a thread yesterday about the HTC reps givin the ok to state that the Thunderbolt would be getting Gingerbread in the 3rd quarter. I only put it up because it was being reported on other forums and maybe just maybe someone would care....
I never expected to be slammed by memebers of this forum for doing so because I only have "4" post. You cant post on the Development board unless you have 10 post???So how does somebody get thier if the put up something and it's slamed all over. I can really understand why all the Devs are RUNNING away from XDA. The personality of this forum is really awfull. I will probably be kicked off here after this and I really don't care thier are numerous forums around and I did post the same thread on a couple other board and not one of then slammed me for doing so and locked the thread. I have gingerbread so I don'r really care when it comes down but it would be nice to have an official rom for the DEVS to work with..
Thanks for the pleasantries XDA
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Ya know, its not so much we just wanna beat on a guy. It's that SO MANY threads have been started. Last time the gullible fool even posted a link to a pic to the absolute fakest looking "corporate memo" I'd ever seen. A lot of people were lapping that crap up and I called them idiots then. Some people actually believed a Verizon rep posted in this forum earlier this week too. Uh.... No, that didn't happen either. Between threads like "Verizon says gingerbread is coming!" threads and the horribly mangled English so often used, I'm beginning to think forums in general are magnets for the least intelligent forms of life walking upright. It's not just Android forums. It's forums on just about every subject imaginable. I think its because nobody ever calls someone stupid when they say something really stupid. A great way to flush your credibility down the toilet is to post a thread like you did. XDA is XDA because they tend to hold themselves to a higher standard. Go look at most other android forums. Most of the development threads are copy and pastes of XDA threads. That's not changing. I'm gonna ask real nice that you please think real hard about what you post here. Maybe check to see how many threads exactly like your proposed thread already exist. Lots of people post questions and comments all the time to good reception. It really is just the foolish nature of your subject matter.

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I agree with the OP. I frequent completely different sets of threads and it's the same everywhere. Why take the time to post something negative? Why? As much as people complain about contributing to the community, flaming posts certainly do not . Oh well, when something such as the internet exists, some people will use that avenue to be abrasively rude and inconsiderate. Etiquette applies in all social interaction situations, not just in person .
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I don't jack people off with their own ass-backwards ideas just to get along. I don't say anything here I wouldn't say to your face. Not all ideas are valid and worthy of equal consideration. Stupid NEEDS to be called stupid and made fun of. I'd like to live in a world where when stupid people spoke they got laughed out of the room. I can hardly believe people buy some of the insanity and lies they're sold most of the time.

I'm new to posting myself... I've been waiting in the weeds for sometime now, reading the thread for Synergy ROM for a long time. I've got only 4 or 5 posts as well. So far, I haven't had any bad reactions to posts, PM's or even contacting one of the Devs on G+ for the only issue I couldn't manage to figure out on my own.

To the OP:
Try to remember where you are when you post. You are in a forum that is populated with many experienced, sharp people, who know a great deal about this platform. Those that are the MOST knowledgeable typically don't even post. It's those who *think* they know a lot who do. Sadly, uninformed questions do not simply get ignored. Think of it as walking into a medical convention and asking a large population of surgeons why anesthesia is necessary during surgery. They expect that you know some minimal facts before asking a question.
Sadly, these same intelligent people browse the General and QandA sections for posts such as yours to flame you for no reason. Not everyone here is that way, but clearly there are many.
I lurked here for a year, before ever signing up and posting anything simply because it was clear some knowlege is necessary to root, mod, theme and customize your phone. And it was clear that many of my questions had already been answered simply by looking.
Don't get discouraged, read, then read some more. There is a lot to learn, but most of it isn't that hard. And don't pay any attention to the negativity - it only feeds the problem.
courtesy of my rooted bolt

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What do you mean....'you people'?
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hahahahahaha! i also like the "this thread seems fun" post
after many frustrations in a day i need threads and posts like this to give me a chuckle. thanks guys!
as for a real opinion:
I'd rather have a beer

It's the moderation. There will always be assholes on popular forums. It's up to the moderators to weed out the jerks. Only way.

What about an SGS 4G Facebook page?

It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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In theory it sounds great. However people will not post there for reason they dont post in proper sections here.
The real issue is this, the community is divided. I left the Optimus V because Virgins coverage sucks for me. I really wish I could have kept the phone and plan and the main reason is the community. At AC I swear the people there help everybody. Even if it is a question already asked. Somebody will pipe up and offer a link.
Im guilty as charged in attacking a n00b for being stupid. However witht eh cost of the Optimus V and the extremely cheap plan many people was buying the phone to tether and have cheap internet. And Most of those people were clueless as to what the hell they were doing. In most cases a friend told them about the phone and plan and how easy it was to root and start tethering. As a end user you dont want those people creating issues for your service. So if your rude and refuse to help they go away.
But right now I can point you to at the minimum of five threads where the community is helping the noobs and letting the devs do their thing. If a dev needs to address something they do. Otherwise the community answers questions. The biggest reason for this is changelogs, instructions, and all that stuff is never deleted just updated. Even if the rom has evolved to a new level. The old info is still posted so people can find out what changed in the various releases. Plus even after somebody asks the same question ten others have asked patience is exhibited and answers are given.
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.They are looking to get a answer for the problem at hand. Most of them will go away if pointed in the right direction. However when people start piling on flaming them for not searching properly it just creates more spam in the thread and drives them away. Then you have people that talk major **** about how xda is a bunch of arrogant f*cktards.

Plenty of people do help in my observations. Im new and signed up only to help people. Answered a 'noob' question before making this post, amd I was nice about it too.
Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
If the answer to a simple and eady to answer question is out there and can be found by a search, and someone asks the question anyways after being told that is what they should do in yhe futurethat is laziness, not ignorance. And getting on their case is not arrogance, some of those asking questions have high enough post counts here, they should of learned how to make their own way by now.
I should also add that I have no programming experience, and have only been using a smartphone for 3 months. Yet I have never had to ask a question about how to install a rom or fix a brick. Because I searched for the answer, and everyone else should too.
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eollie said:
The community here needs to stop worrying with telling people to search and start offering help. Most people come here and ask because they dont know how. And quite honestly dont feel like reading thread after thread after thread of rules and guidelines.
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.

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Fortunately, most 'noob' questions have already been answered somewhere on here. I know this because every question I have ever had has been answered by searching for it, not by posting. Not by derailing dev threads either.
The dev threads are filled with simple questions with simple, searchable answers. I shake my head when I see the same question asked posts apart surrounding the answer in a non-Q&A forum. And then I see that person who is asking get mad, or cry 'search nazi!' because someone says to search for it. Give me a break.
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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question. Yesterday I searched for something I had seen posted the search results..stated they were updated 10 minutes before I had searched. How is that even possible?
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How do you think the "experts" learned? I only posted 3 threads in my first 3 months here at XDA. Do you know why that is? I searched and didn't find an answer to my questions and I decided to make threads. Turns out people didn't know the answers to those either. Go figure. Everything else that I wondered about I found a thread or guide for. It's really not that hard.
If you're not willing to do some reading to be able to understand how to follow a guide you shouldn't be flashing anything to your phone.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
Not every person that comes here for answers is a dev or wants to be a dev.

@ eollie: I have a great idea... quit talking about it and writing these long unnecessary posts and start helping. Lead by example! Maybe others will follow suit since you seem to think people don't help others on here. I am not sure what you are trying to accomplish with these LONG posts?

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I agree people should use the search function. Have you ever thought they did search and ended up being directed here. I have seen stuff posted and a day later comeback searched the thread because it had grown five to six pages since I seen the post and dont know where the information is. Only to not be able to find the post in question.
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I generally bookmark posts that contain information relevant to my interests that I may not be able to commit to memory at the time. Yes, some get changed but most are because the information is wrong or outdated. Another post nearby most likely holds updated info.
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Im not saying every single question should be answered with a simple heres the answer next time search response. But dont expect every person to read through every guide in fifteen threads to figure out where a wallpaper is located.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I just typed "where in an android rom is the default wallpaper located?" into Google. The first link is to an XDA post titled "Where is a Rom's default wallpaper stored?". The answer to that question is on the first page of the thread. It even has instructions on how to extract it.
Try it yourself. Searching works.
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I spent three hours tearing apart a rom to find a wallpaper used on the lockscreen. Im not a dev nor am I a themer but even doing a search for where lockscreen wallpaper is located kept directing me to widgetlocker and those types of apps. A week ago I would have just posted here in hopes somebody would point me in the proper direction. Instead I just sat in front of my computer for three hours because I didnt want to deal with the responses.
Your smartass response...well its not so smart.
@lumin30 dude seriously if you dont like my posts ignore them. Im sorry the community here is absolutely horrendous in helping people. Prime example is the post I have quoted above. Instead of taking what I was saying and using it logically he took it literally. I wasnt asking where I was using a simple example of what I have seen here. Then he even attempted to insult me with his last comment.
Im not here to make friends or enemies. Im here lookig for ways to better my android experience. When that experience is hampered because some tool wants to be a internet badass it pisses me off. Especially when in the process of berating somebody they prove how ignorant they really are. Most people that post here are human beings once in a while you will get a spam bot but 99% of the time you are dealing with a human. Some are old enough to be your grandparents others your teenage brother/sister.

POST REMOVED for sake of preventing a four paragraph response!

wow.....
i really could say something towards this thread for you guys to feed on, but i'll just shut my mouth and just say one more word.
wow.....
now what's the title of this thread again? sorry, but reading all this here made me forget. and sorry for yet another 4 paragraph response.
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eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
MY RESPONSE: OK

lumin30 said:
eollie made some ramblings against Raver in the Q&A section too.
eollie - I am sorry! Please do not attack me with four paragraphs for saying that.
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And you just cant let it go can you? I apologized to him and he has accepted it. See adults work things out and accept mistakes and apologies. I guess a child like you just wants to keep the friction and tension high so you appear to be superior. Regarding my not following my own advise in ignoring people..I find your posts in response to me very amusing. You just can help yourself and not respond. Your like a woman arguing to get the last word in. You just cant help it. I would say Im look forward to your response but honestly its not fun anymore you are too predictable.
lumin will post within the next ten minutes rebuting me.

Your name calling, swearing, and the chauvanistic and defamatory comments you just made speak on your behalf. Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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Holocene said:
Noone on this board is picking on anyone as much as you are. Good luck getting any help or making friends with that attitude. Peace out dude.
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Im glad you feel that way. I have seen it first hand tho. You even did it in your initial post to me. Tried to insult me via your last comment. Good god its like people cant see past their own nose. Im guilty as charged in smashing noobs with a bat. But Ive never claimed to not do it. I just think sometimes it is not necessary.
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@mods Im done with this, sorry about this being new and all. I couldn't continue watching his thread derailing and user bashing without saying anything.
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High road exit was before you posted to me initially. Getting back now will be a long process or winding mountainous roads. Dont forget to enjoy the view along the way tho. There is some awesome put out points to take pictures.

as much as i'd hate to say this, but i see this thread getting deleted before the weekend.
itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum? This way people will have the community they want and devs will get the order and work environment they want.
Please let me know what you think before it will become another one of those threads and be closed by moderator.
Thanks.
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now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device. trust me, i've checked the mytouch 3g slide forums (my fiance's device) and the galaxy tab 10.1 forums (my next device) and have yet to see what goes on here on those forums. seems to me MOST people with this device are nothing but spoiled little teenagers that are spoon fed all the time. it's no wonder the devs are dropping like flies. if i was a dev, i would leave also. sorry for ranting on your thread itz, but felt this was the best place to put in my 2 cents worth.
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droidmyst said:
now to get back on topic. i personally think it might be a good idea, but unfortunately i don't see it working in this community. we're trying with our wiki page, but it seems that people just want to be spoon fed for this device.
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I mentioned it before but a lot of people ignore wikis because they are typically out of date. In the beginning people will update them regularly and then just stop. However after some time looking around I can say the SGS4G wiki is just the opposite. Tons of info and for the most part easy to navigate. Which brings up another problem with wikis. The ability to navigate it easily and endless loops of redirects. Again the SGS4G doesnt appear to suffer from that.
Maybe instead of the sticky posts with thread links we could get a single thread with wiki links. That way info is updated and people are spending an hour navigating through search results within one thread. In my mind this makes sense just putting it in print is eluding me.

Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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Idk about the Facebook page. Seems a little too personal lol, and not everyone uses it.
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The fact it is personal and exposes peoples real identity is what makes it awesome. Most of the people here wouldnt act the way they did if they were made to use real name and such. Being anonymous has so many advantages and disadvantages.

Can I just point out that I started a thread with a guide to flashing and is intended to help the devs buffer the questions to that thread
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itzik2sh said:
It seems that too many devs are leaving us due to repeated noobs question and generally flooded threads.
I thought to myself why not use an SGS 4G facebook page as a gate for all QA & General simple questions and leave development issues and logs for the xda forum?
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back on the actual topic, since it has once again been derailed by the self-appointed thread police....
Devs are not leaving us only for the reasons you stated. Some of that may be part of it, but it's not the sum total...
As for Facebook page... feel free to create one, and I wish you the best of luck.. as one of those 'weird' people who doesn't use Facebook, i won't be coming to visit it...

Brief synopsis on basic rules and how to help the community

Hey everyone!
I have seen some things lately that really are bugging me, and I am hoping that we can fix this fast.
1) If you have a question and you want to post, please do a search in this forum first BEFORE you post!
2) Please EVERYONE, even if you have over a thousand posts and many thanks, READ THE RULES:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/announcement.php?f=1058
3) If you do a search and find something close enough to your problem, but not quite the same, then please try posting in that thread first and not create another new one.
4) STOP posting and asking about ICS twice a day in a new thread every time.
5) If you ask a question and several people give an answer, attempt it, before you jump back and tell them that thier answer is not what you are looking for. I have seen this all too much lately, and I am getting fed up. Those of us on here that have the knowledge and we give our time freely on here, so show some respect.
6) Don't hijack someone else's thread because there are a lot of people looking at it, and not the one that you posted. This shows a lack of respect to all of us here.
There have been a TON of these things going on in here, and I have seen how many of our more senior users are getting very frustrated just like I am. If you want to keep getting good answers from the knowledgeable people in here, do some research first on your own before making a new post with incorrect information, and please listen and try to think about these things once you are given an answer, and don't just throw it out because it is not what you expected to get.
Also Please thank anyone who gives you an answer to you, even if you don't like it. And stop posting thank you posts, that is what the the thanks button is for.
One last thing, I think everyone should watch this video and hopefully you will get the point. This one is more for people with less than 50 posts, and little contribution.
XDA n00b video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmvCpR45LKA

I may sound silly, but sticky this!
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Someone sticky this please..
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Well put. Thanks for doing this.
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Thanks guys, I am hoping we can just start linking this in all the posts that are like this from now on, so that we don't have to repeat ourselves constantly.

Well said Jim, as always. We have got to get this under control, and hopefully this will help. It's appreciated sir.

Sir, I refer you to Forum Rules, subsection 3;
"Post only using a clear SUBJECT and message". [Editorial usage of caps not found in original]
... Oh come on, it's a joke.
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Jim,
Thanks for taking the time to write this up. Hopefully, things will change. Did I miss something, though? I mean, was there a massive solar flare within the last couple of days thats caused people's brains to get fried? Noobs and members arguing, acting passive aggressively, disrespectfully, and stubbornly when other members or senior members try to steer them in the right direction? The whole attitude of this forum lately has become argumentative and hostile, albeit some of that stems from member's and senior member's frustrations with others not wanting to take a few minutes and a few simple steps in finding out answers on their own before muddying up the forum with new threads on previously discussed topics. It really needs to be stopped, and at the risk of sounding like a total prick, I may start reporting members who fail to adhere to the forum's rules and request a 24 hour suspension if I keep seeing it. We're all grown folk here, we need to act it by respecting others, and playing by the rules...
(Rant over)
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I've been meaning to do this, but I knew it would cause me to go on a rant. Nice post, it should be stickied

Most of us are too lazy to go through the rules, but this is to the point, this should be stickied and even then someone posts a silly question, it should be simply ignored.
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Sir, I refer you to Forum Rules, subsection 3;
"Post only using a clear SUBJECT and message". [Editorial usage of caps not found in original]
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ROFLMAO..... I actually was crying a little I laughed so hard.... thanks!
I was hoping the title would get some attention.
P.S. anyone that wants this to be a sticky please notify a mod.... I would, but it is my post, so that is kind of a no-no...

So can I flash ICS from China leak to my att atrix 2 LOL HAHA ..... +1 Thanks Jim well put.....

Jim, this is quite nice & I really appreciate when senior members respect Forum Rules by Mike - 2.1 & 2.5 & 10 besides the core stuff of course....I guess if someone is a repeat offender then yeah it would be no fun, Au contraire (i guess i don't get pulled up for using french) it would really make anyone who is not technically adept as Senior members think twice before even wanting to write in, in-spite after doing a search but has a different view or a question. In this case if majority of the members who yet feel the thread or post needs to be closed then yeah I guess MOD needs to be notified. I recall how you gave me some pointers on a much talked about topic & oh yes having a way of words surely helps all concerned.

Jim, I thought it was a shame yesterday when you were working so hard to bring us ICS and some guy called you an A-hole because he felt you should personally walk him through an install. It seems like more and more people think they are special/entitled.

Atrix 2 Wiki ?
Hi there, do we have a page for Atrix 2 where we could find all useful section like root methods, roms etc.
I know we have one for Defy (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Defy). Would be glad if we could have the same for Atrix 2.
Please let me know if there is already a page. I have searched but couldn't find it.
Edit: The link is there but its empty (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_II)
Regards,
Vikram

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Hi there, do we have a page for Atrix 2 where we could find all useful section like root methods, roms etc.
I know we have one for Defy (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Defy). Would be glad if we could have the same for Atrix 2.
Please let me know if there is already a page. I have searched but couldn't find it.
Edit: The link is there but its empty (http://forum.xda-developers.com/wiki/Motorola_Atrix_II)
Regards,
Vikram
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All you have to do is peruse the development section.
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