After asking @HTC USA on twitter for an update when Jelly Bean 4.1 will be released for AT&T HTC One XL flagship and here is what they had to say! Blah!!!
HTC USA @HTCUSA
@SmallvilleKrypt Yes, it will. We don't have a date yet but we should know more soon.
What were you expecting? Pointless thread is pointless.
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What were you expecting? Pointless thread is pointless.
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Basically to state that they no longer care about their flagship phone as it no longer is their flagship phone :/
From what I read the One X + is coming out Friday I wouldn't imagine our update coming out before then since jelly bean is a selling point for the new phone.
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Wait, so they told you yes and you're mad? Would you have preferred no?
The person running the Twitter feed is likely a 22-year old liberal arts major in charge of social networking. I'd put exactly zero confidence into their responses.
You're really surprised OP?
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From what I read the One X + is coming out Friday I wouldn't imagine our update coming out before then since jelly bean is a selling point for the new phone.
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Htc said it would not be released till the onex+ was released
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movadoevo8 said:
Basically to state that they no longer care about their flagship phone as it no longer is their flagship phone :/
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The one x was their flagship, not us the one xl
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thebobmannh said:
Wait, so they told you yes and you're mad? Would you have preferred no?
The person running the Twitter feed is likely a 22-year old liberal arts major in charge of social networking. I'd put exactly zero confidence into their responses.
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I'm not mad because they said "YES" I'm upset, because they have mentioned in the pass that it would be coming out in October for AT&T HTC One X and we are still waiting. I already know that it will come out eventually, but I was just trying to get an ETA and the info I was provided is not accurate nor an estimate.
I Agree with the post above that they are delaying this due to One X+ being released with Jelly Bean already and being a selling point. Why is everyone so grumpy about the post i'm just sharing information with the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are wondering as well.
I read on a site that they did start rolling out the Jelly Bean update to the HTC in Taiwan. Check this article out, thanks.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/10/26/htc-one-x-jelly-bean-update-starts-rolling-out/
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I'm not mad because they said "YES" I'm upset, because they have mentioned in the pass that it would be coming out in October for AT&T HTC One X and we are still waiting. I already know that it will come out eventually, but I was just trying to get an ETA and the info I was provided is not accurate nor an estimate.
I Agree with the post above that they are delaying this due to One X+ being released with Jelly Bean already and being a selling point. Why is everyone so grumpy about the post i'm just sharing information with the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are wondering as well.
I read on a site that they did start rolling out the Jelly Bean update to the HTC in Taiwan. Check this article out, thanks.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/10/26/htc-one-x-jelly-bean-update-starts-rolling-out/
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cuz the one x was teh flagship... not the xl. ofc they updated the one x.
USA hardware is different than Taiwan hardware. The update will need kernel changes, who knows, maybe for each carrier.
Plus, thanks to Apple and the screwed up court decision, our basic Sense apps are also different.
You can't take the Taiwan rom, change languages, and be ready to distribute.
Being ready elsewhere means that they've engaged in the commitment.
Being ready here will take longer. Sucks, yeah, but later isn't never.
And if they hadn't laid people off after Apple caused a nice stock scare, maybe we would all have it by now.
I know who I'm disgusted with, and in the meantime, there are many interesting and fun roms for those who like to root while we wait.
Different how?
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Different how?
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The internals are not even similar for the one x and one xl
EarlyMon said:
USA hardware is different than Taiwan hardware. The update will need kernel changes, who knows, maybe for each carrier.
Plus, thanks to Apple and the screwed up court decision, our basic Sense apps are also different.
You can't take the Taiwan rom, change languages, and be ready to distribute.
Being ready elsewhere means that they've engaged in the commitment.
Being ready here will take longer. Sucks, yeah, but later isn't never.
And if they hadn't laid people off after Apple caused a nice stock scare, maybe we would all have it by now.
I know who I'm disgusted with, and in the meantime, there are many interesting and fun roms for those who like to root while we wait.
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Yeah I guess your right, but I left CM10 came back to stop, because battery life is much better and I can't give up the Stock HTX ONE X camera. I know the 4.2 camera is not bad, however it still not way near as good as the one x native camera.
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The internals are not even similar for the one x and one xl
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Software is definitely different in the US as well, it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
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Yeah I guess your right, but I left CM10 came back to stop, because battery life is much better and I can't give up the Stock HTX ONE X camera. I know the 4.2 camera is not bad, however it still not way near as good as the one x native camera.
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Don't know if ViperX works for you, or if they have a variant for you yet. I like Viper4G (Sprint), it's pretty good.
EarlyMon said:
Software is definitely different in the US as well, it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
Don't know if ViperX works for you, or if they have a variant for you yet. I like Viper4G (Sprint), it's pretty good.
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We have ViperXL
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it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
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Would you mind elaborating? i have no clue what you mean
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Would you mind elaborating? i have no clue what you mean
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Certainly.
Here's a post from another forum when we had our first fix, it covers the patent itself -
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This is Patent US5946647 - System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer ... - Google Patents
A system and method causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data. The system provides an analyzer server, an application program interface, a user interface and an action processor. The analyzer server receives from an application running concurrently data having recognizable structures, uses a pattern analysis unit, such as a parser or fast string search function, to detect structures in the data, and links relevant actions to the detected structures. The application program interface communicates with the application running concurrently, and transmits relevant information to the user interface. Thus, the user interface can present and enable selection of the detected structures, and upon selection of a detected structure, present the linked candidate actions. Upon selection of an action, the action processor performs the action on the detected structure.
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This bs patent was applied for in 1996 and not granted until the dot-com, hog-wild, patent-changing days - it was granted in 1999.
It is widely known to be violated by Microsoft's right-click on content, something widely done before the patent was even applied for.
In this case - you get a youtube link by text - open with browser or youtube app - that's covered by the last two sentences of the quote above, in fact, it's covered exactly.
Anyway - if you want the fix, this is it, there are many debates on Apple/HTC patents in the Lounge and the Android Lounge and it's pretty much all the same - Apple sucks (true), the patent laws are now broken (true), Apple has known about this Sense violation for a long time (true), others are violating this so-called invention and haven't been sued yet (true), etc etc etc etc.
This is the fix for the problems of not having links show up as links in email and not getting selection for browser vs Maps or browser vs YouTube or browser vs Play Store in text messages or web pages, etc.
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Here is a post from elsewhere on XDA. Your takeaway - the top picture is how HTC Mail should work and does work in the rest of the world - the bottom picture is how Mail works in the USA when presented with web link in plain text. Notice that the normal action is to detect the url and make a link.
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I restored to Viper 1.0.0 with the Linkify option installed (build.prop edit we all loved, thanks for that! ) -
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Ok, for good measure, here is that exact same message with Viper4G 2.0.2 and #Fapple -
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PS - if desired as a test message, drop me a line via private message.
Also, I forwarded this to a Gmail account. When read with Mail, no links. When read with Gmail, the links appeared. So Gmail will automagically create links on outgoing and incoming.
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That's been removed. Along with other free-form app associations.
So we're clear - the behavior I'm describing is still the default on Gmail on your phone and in many places on your Windows PC.
It was prior art. Apple did not invent it. Yet, thanks to our messed up patent system, they got a patent on this.
Apple went after HTC on this a few years ago - no one else, just HTC.
In a decision that surprised even the judge's own clerks, in the 4th quarter of last year, Apple won a suit against HTC granting an injunction against distribution of the software. The market panicked, the internet was full of "proof" that HTC stole, consumers panicked thinking that they'd no longer get support and HTC's meteoric sales climb in 2011 came to an abrupt halt. Investors panicked. HTC earnings dropped.
The blogosphere, with all of the intelligence of brain-damaged monkeys, let loose with their HTC hate and said that the sales drop-off was a clear indication that everyone hated the people-centric Sense features (by then, adopted wholesale by Google for for ICS and the same bloggers praised it as a revolutionary breakthrough while picking lice from one another) and that's why HTC was a failure.
Newcomers to Android believed it and the myth was propagated until Mobile World Congress in Barcelona 2012 where the One X and Sense 4.0 was unveiled. Banana-eaters fell over themselves reporting on the new "light-weight" Sense (that is the same size at Sense 3.5) as a victory for monkeys with keyboards. HTC, not stupid, agreed with the blogosphere.
The One X train left the station, full steam ahead.
Enter Apple, they petitioned the courts again, not satisified that HTC was really following court orders. HTC clearly was, but that never stops a good shark-lawyer.
Next up - May of this year and HTC phones are held in quarantine by the US Customs Bureau while they checked again. Release dates were missed and re-scheduled for several HTC models (including the X), buyers got scared again - in no small part to the monkeys, now fully lobotomized, telling people that the USA might never see an HTC One X. Investors went from panic to bed-wetting of tidal proportions, and the head of HTC had to get help from the Prime Minister of Taiwan to curb the panic.
Oh, and then it turned out the phones were fine and got shipped. Full of hype, black eyes and lies but shipped and those of us who care about what we like, liked the One X and we bought them.
But - for that reason - basic Sense apps like Mail, Messaging, Calendar - do not perform the same stock in the USA as they did earlier this year and as they still do everywhere else in the world.
HTC first put in a simple on/off switch. Turn in one way, it's Sense. Turn it the other, it's hamstrung Sense. Easy to change. So easy that Apple complained again and with the Android 4.04 release, the latest Sense apps are _very_ different than before and you can't change it with an on/off switch.
There is a root mod to fix it in the Sprint community, called #Fapple, I'd guess it's out there for the One XL by now, but I'd have to check.
PS - The #Fapple pictures above were during debugging and aren't final the solution, but they show the point well enough.
TL/DR version - not HTC's fault that they have to make more than one version of things to work with JellyBean, and that adds time.
Honestly I'm just praying we see something by early Q1 of 2013.
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Honestly I'm just praying we see something by early Q1 of 2013.
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I hope so, too.
I'm hoping that the Droid DNA (Verizon variant of the J Butterfly, the new breed) and their exclusivity with VZW will give us breathing room before their new product prep and announcements at MWC 2012, and that breathing time will be used for us.
The old HTC was first on the block with updates, in the past year or so, many on the forums have charged that they drive the latest to new buyers before supporting old ones.
If we see the update soon enough, that will show me that they're back to their old ways.
Hope so!
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Under the GPL requirements companies are to release the source code within 90-120 days. HTC also made a promise to release kernel source code for their devices. So far HTC has been the clear and has usually released source code for devices within weeks of releasing an update for that said device. However with one particular device HTC has been slacking and that device is the HTC Amaze 4G.
The ICS update for this device was released about a month ago around May 16-21 for T-Mobile. As I stated earlier HTC usually releases the source code within weeks and have done so for other devices that came out AFTER this device. Examples of this are the HTC One series phones. Within a week HTC released the source code for these devices. This is somewhat understandable as these are HTC's current flagship devices and they would want to support it fully. However what I don't understand is how the Sensation XL received it's source code release within a week of it's ICS update and yet the device itself was released after the HTC Amaze 4G. It's as if HTC has decided to put this device on the backburner and ignore the Amaze customers. HTC has decided to instead support the HTC Sensation series devices and release the source code for those instead of the Amaze. This as a customer is frustrating and makes me believe that HTC does not care.
To ask HTC to release the full kernel source code and not partial source code like they did in the past with this device is not that far fetched. Other companies such as Samsung listening to their customers to release the source code and whatever else they need to develop on their devices. Sony Ericsson even went as far as to work with Team Douche to make sure CyanogenMod would run on their devices.
It is up to us on xda-developers and other android developing communities to get HTC to live up to their promise and release the full kernel source code for this device! We must let our voices be heard! I've already contacted them about this and you can too! Just contact HTC on htcdev.com and raise this situation to them. You can also tweet them @htc and @htcdev to get their attention. Please be professional when talking to them or they won't take us seriously. If enough of us voice our opinion on this matter then HTC will have to listen to their customers. I may include my conversations with HTC in another post.
HTC is struggling to stay relevant
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This issue requires support from everyone, we can't just let it go. I've generally liked HTC devices, however I do not like this "pick and choose" support mantra.
I don't understand the issue, release it and quit frustrating users. Done.
Biohazard0289 said:
This issue requires support from everyone, we can't just let it go. I've generally liked HTC devices, however I do not like this "pick and choose" support mantra.
I don't understand the issue, release it and quit frustrating users. Done.
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I'm an avid HTC fan as all my Android devices have been HTC; however this "pick and choose" thing is making my liking towards HTC to fade.
shekki said:
I'm an avid HTC fan as all my Android devices have been HTC; however this "pick and choose" thing is making my liking towards HTC to fade.
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In order to stay relevant as posted above, this kind of thing just shouldn't be an issue.
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I had a Sensation and it was a piece of crap. The source code bs, random rebooting all the time, volume rocker fell off, the list goes on and on.
HTC is a bunch of scammers, too. Read this, you will see that they had a faulty design in the Sensation where the volume rocker fell off on a lot of devices, and because so many people claimed warranty on it and they were losing money, they stopped honoring warranties for that issue.
Ditch that HTC crap and go the Nexus route, man. The Galaxy Nexus is the best Android phone you can buy.
I really like the GNEX, however with an early upgrade from tmobile I felt the Amaze was a good move. I'm confident I'll be content with the device, I just hate all the push back for something must other devices have already.
We have received mixed replies, and even some that directly conflict one another.
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fredryk said:
I had a Sensation and it was a piece of crap. The source code bs, random rebooting all the time, volume rocker fell off, the list goes on and on.
HTC is a bunch of scammers, too. Read this, you will see that they had a faulty design in the Sensation where the volume rocker fell off on a lot of devices, and because so many people claimed warranty on it and they were losing money, they stopped honoring warranties for that issue.
Ditch that HTC crap and go the Nexus route, man. The Galaxy Nexus is the best Android phone you can buy.
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I love the build quality of HTC phones; however with HTC's recent actions I'm thinking of just getting the next Nexus device if they don't pull through. That way I won't have to deal with any of this bs. But hopefully HTC will meet our demands and release the full kernel source!
I agree with you guys i love the HTC devices and i really love the build quality but their pick and choose attitude is pulling me off
I am using HTC. I think it's great and runs stable.
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I am using HTC. I think it's great and runs stable.
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HTC devices are great; however they're not releasing the full kernel source code for the Amaze while releasing it for others, which is really frustrating.
HTC also produced a handful of tablets costing it's users several of hundreds of dollars, then within a year abandoned them because of their failure to market and price correctly. Great devices, nice build quality, no support what so ever. As much as I think they make a sound device, their recent struggles in market share concern me. I would not buy any HTC device with the expectation of future support. Unless they turn things around they will continue to fall into obscurity and their devices will continue to see a reduction in services. The pick and choose, in my opinion, is based on market sales. If the device in your hands was not a top seller, expect no support
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If the device in your hands was not a top seller, expect no support.
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So true. So the Amaze didn't sell well? Was the One really any better? Not in my opinion. But I heard that the Amaze was just released to tide us all over until the One was out. Here it is, over a year later, and still no Amaze source. And now they're saying it MIGHT happen, but it'll be at least another 90-day wait. What's their reason? The CEO has to ok the release? Pffffft. Lame excuses.
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Rob, next time you post, be sure to actually type something. :/ That, or your message disappeared.
Imperfect though some may be, it's a bit crazy that Chinese market phones recieve more timely updates than what many "standard" OEMS are offering and with less to no bloatware. HTC isn't the only one that needs to step its game up.
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Imperfect though some may be, it's a bit crazy that Chinese market phones recieve more timely updates than what many "standard" OEMS are offering and with less to no bloatware. HTC isn't the only one that needs to step its game up.
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Lol nice signature, That's one evil cat..
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Lol nice signature, That's one normal cat..
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Fixed that for ya.
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Hi there,
I finally decided to open a thread for discussing the matter above, because I do not want the thread for officially validated info here be flooded by discussion, whining and bashing.
So everybody is invited tell us here, if he thinks that HTC sucks or whatever about the HTC ICS update.
My personal opinion is, that they don't. It is normal that development is delayed, and deadlines are shifted. They have to deliver an update, that is working out of the box without feedback from community testers and iterations like the custom roms here. And this is not only valid for Android kernel and drivers but also for the Sense 3.6 stuff. The only thing one could really blame em for imho is that they don't communicate the delay. On the other hand it is clear why they do not. If they officailly announce it, it will be all over tech press and blogs and even "normal" users, will know about not only the guys here (who are a minority in global sales). And this would also give the Android critics a voice again, and HTC has definetly no interest in that, so they shut up.
So, you got a working devices, which is able of everything you were promised when buying it. HTC will update it to ICS, even though they don't have to and there is no technical need. This is why I can't understand all this frustration. Of course, I prefer to have the update sooner than later, but this is life.
Just my 2 cents.
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Hi there,
I finally decided to open a thread for discussing the matter above, because I do not want the thread for officially validated info here be flooded by discussion, whining and bashing.
So everybody is invited tell us here, if he thinks that HTC sucks or whatever about the HTC ICS update.
My personal opinion is, that they don't. It is normal that development is delayed, and deadlines are shifted. They have to deliver an update, that is working out of the box without feedback from community testers and iterations like the custom roms here. And this is not only valid for Android kernel and drivers but also for the Sense 3.6 stuff. The only thing one could really blame em for imho is that they don't communicate the delay. On the other hand it is clear why they do not. If they officailly announce it, it will be all over tech press and blogs and even "normal" users, will know about not only the guys here (who are a minority in global sales). And this would also give the Android critics a voice again, and HTC has definetly no interest in that, so they shut up.
So, you got a working devices, which is able of everything you were promised when buying it. HTC will update it to ICS, even though they don't have to and there is no technical need. This is why I can't understand all this frustration. Of course, I prefer to have the update sooner than later, but this is life.
Just my 2 cents.
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I agree, but it would not take HTC 30 seconds to keep us informed and so shut up the chatter.
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I agree, but it would not take HTC 30 seconds to keep us informed and so shut up the chatter.
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Unfortunately it wouldn't make any difference to the chatter. Can you imagine the comments we'd get posted on here if HTC did officially announce the ICS roll-out had slipped to August?
"Fu**ing Ba**ards - they keep lying to us"
"I paid for my phone. I deserve the update"
"I'm going to sue HTC for not giving me the update when they said they would"
"I'm never getting another HTC phone - they can't keep to the time-scales they promise"
etc, etc, ad nauseum
Nice thinking of starting a new thread for this....
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I think as long as we are getting an update..... It's cool cause an update released asap with out much testing and all will always hav many bugs n errors n people will be whining over that...... Bt what they can do was to release the kernal source from a certain point of development ...... For other devs to try.....
Thn again its ma personal opinion....
People hav their own mind
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My 12 month contract its due up this month. How well HTC support their existing customers is going to sway my decision on my next phone, & at the moment I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S 3.
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My 12 month contract its due up this month. How well HTC support their existing customers is going to sway my decision on my next phone, & at the moment I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S 3.
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My contract ended 4 months ago now. I switched to a 30-day rolling contract with Three as there is no phone out that that I really want. The S3 has nice specs, but I don't like the way it looks, and it's a bit too big. The HTC OneX has nice specs, but no removable storage, and it's a bit too big.
I have decided that my next phone will, I hope, be the next Nexus. I have got my hands on the NExus 7 tablet recently, and it's amazing - if they can do something half as good for the next Google phone it will be a winner.
The 'Customer Service' side doesn't worry me. As soon as I get my hands on something I tend to root it and therefore risk the warranty. As for the whole ICS thing - it doesn't really worry me as I have no doubt we'll get it in the end. I am far more concerned with how good the hardware is and how much support it gets from the devs.
I don't really mind - I've got ISC with CyanogenMod 9 anyway. It would be nice to get an official update though. For me, the waiting time doesn't matter. I'm happy with CM9/other ICS roms for now.
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My 12 month contract its due up this month. How well HTC support their existing customers is going to sway my decision on my next phone, & at the moment I'm leaning towards a Galaxy S 3.
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You know, it's not so long ago that HTC was the darling of developers just because they built the G1, G2 and Nexus One. Meanwhile Samsung owners were waiting until the end of 2011 for the Galaxy S to be upgraded from Eclair to Froyo - that's nearly a year after 2.2 first appeared.
Sony Ericsson used to get a lot of stick too for not updating their Xperia line, but the more recent ones at least got kind-of-official support for unlocking long before HTC's 2011 models.
To be blunt, I think all the manufacturers are as bad as each other when it comes to unlocking and official updates; which is why my next phone will almost certainly be a Nexus.
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You know, it's not so long ago that HTC was the darling of developers just because they built the G1, G2 and Nexus One. Meanwhile Samsung owners were waiting until the end of 2011 for the Galaxy S to be upgraded from Eclair to Froyo - that's nearly a year after 2.2 first appeared.
Sony Ericsson used to get a lot of stick too for not updating their Xperia line, but the more recent ones at least got kind-of-official support for unlocking long before HTC's 2011 models.
To be blunt, I think all the manufacturers are as bad as each other when it comes to unlocking and official updates; which is why my next phone will almost certainly be a Nexus.
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Hard to disagree - seems good sense to go to the source, not drink downstream
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...t-petition-for-timely-kernel-source-releases/
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http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...t-petition-for-timely-kernel-source-releases/
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The link gives Error 404: page not found
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The link gives Error 404: page not found
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Not for me it doesn't
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Not for me it doesn't
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It is OK now. Signed
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Someone knows when is the release ofJB firmware for the hox att
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November 2013
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November 2013
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AT&T specifically never promised anything. That was when it was supposed to be delivered to one of the carriers. How did you post that when it's now December and there isn't anything yet is puzzling.
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AT&T specifically never promised anything. That was when it was supposed to be delivered to one of the carriers. How did you post that when it's now December and there isn't anything yet is puzzling.
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Read the year again
Lol I swear this is like the 10th thread on this topic
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Nobody knows this lol good god people its releases when you're able to download it
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You know not the hour nor the day.
Actually I believe it may be. I have an update waiting in que & have heard from two sources, one that works for the big H, & heard that the JB rom is starting to roll out. I have not had time yet this morning to DL & pull the update, but I believe it just started rolling out this morning.
I plan on taking a look at the OTA that I have in que over lunch & will report back.
Updates on Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) and Frequently Asked Questions
We're looking forward to providing our HTC One X and HTC One S customers with Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) along with our latest version of HTC Sense. As with any software upgrade, we work closely with our carrier partners to ensure we deliver the best experience possible on our devices.
After internal testing, we test the software on live networks in order to confirm the experience matches our expectations, and carrier expectations, for performance, connectivity and platform stability. While testing takes time, we're working quickly with our carrier partners to rollout these updates. We'll provide information on availability once the software is ready for release.
When will additional devices receive Android 4.1?
In addition to the HTC One X and HTC One S, we are actively reviewing our product portfolio to identify candidates to receive Jelly Bean. Our goal is to prioritize review for devices launched in 2012 with our numerous carrier partners across multiple regions and then consider our ability to provide updates to products from 2011.
What is the overall timeline of Android 4.1 updates?
There are many aspects to the software development process that make it difficult for us to give specifics on upgrade timing. As a global company, we work with a number of carrier partners in various regions to ensure a great user experience with every upgrade. Each region and carrier partner has unique requirements that necessitate customized testing. Only after HTC and its partners have successfully completed the final testing will the software be released.
What devices will not get Android 4.1?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB RAM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.1. At present, these devices include the HTC One V and the HTC Desire C. As we identify other devices that will not be upgraded, we'll provide updated information.
It should be noted that upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.1 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support.
What about a development version of Android 4.1?
For our developer community, we plan to make generic development ROMs of Jelly Bean available for both the HTC One X and HTC One S. As soon as the ROMs are ready, they will be posted to our HTCdev site (www.htcdev.com). We strongly recommend customers take the time to understand the limitations of the development software along with the terms and conditions on the site before downloading to their device.
My phone hasn't gotten the Android 4.1 update, while others with the same device have. Why?
Our devices are available on a wide variety of carriers and across many countries, due to localization, testing, and partner approvals, updates do not roll out to all devices with the same name at the same time.
Even once a software update begins to roll out from HTC or a carrier partner, the update can take up to 45 days from the initial push to reach each person with that device on a given network.
If your phone has not received the update after the 45-day period, navigate to Settings > About > Software Updates to have your device manually check for updates. If your device still does not show an update, please contact customer support
Why does it take so long to release an update?
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What version of HTC Sense will come with the Android 4.1 update?
The upgrade to Android 4.1 will include HTC Sense 4+.
Its coming out on 12-21-2012. Too bad we won't be able to update...
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ethantarheels123 said:
Its coming out on 12-21-2012. Too bad we won't be able to update...
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He Was Trolling, He is a idiot. December 21,2012( Mayan Calendar) Worlds Going to end bullcrap.Scientists actually proved it was the Start of something else..solstice or something..
WhatTheAndroid? said:
He Was Trolling, He is a idiot. December 21,2012( Mayan Calendar) Worlds Going to end bullcrap.Scientists actually proved it was the Start of something else..solstice or something..
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Doh. I deserve that, I think. lol
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Doh. I deserve that, I think. lol
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Ya, I had to read it twice to actually get it. The part when he said "to bad we wont be able to update ", and then i linked December 21 2012 together to the date Mayans predicted something would happen. At first it got took out of proportion to the world ending but they proved that mayan calendar was not the same as ours or something. But yeah you got trolled by ethantarheels123 hehe.
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He Was Trolling, He is a idiot. December 21,2012( Mayan Calendar) Worlds Going to end bullcrap.Scientists actually proved it was the Start of something else..solstice or something..
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Haven't looked too far into it cause I don't care.. but one of my friends said it could possibly be the start of a new age.
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There is an "everything jelly bean discussion" thread in the General lounge that's stuck. Please use that.
So guys what do you think of the new m8.....
Htc has approached with new strategy to make certain apps like blinkfeed available to all android devices...also sense tv....
I think that's bad coz those stuff made htc unique..
The apps are available on the Play Store, but not for all Android devices. I have no doubt that the HTC apps are still tied to the Sense framework, and therefore not compatible with other manufacturer's devices.
According to the following article, Blinkfeed will only be available for the M8, and the other apps for the "latest" HTC devices:
http://phandroid.com/2014/03/25/htc-one-2014-apps-google-play-edition/
This nice thing about the apps being linked to the Play Store, is that HTC can potentially update the apps without having to push it out as an OTA to the OS. Something other manufacturers have been doing for some time now.
Yeah I agree. It frees up those apps to be updated without major updates being pushed to the devices. And like Redpoint said, Sense apps are unable to be used on non-sense (no pun intended) devices due to them being heavily tied into the Sense framework. All in all, it's a good decision by HTC, it's at least a step forward where they desperately need one.
so that means current generation devices will be able to update via play store..... hoping fr it
also i feel we hv rchd some end point in processor evoution fr now..... nothing major......
paras33 said:
so that means current generation devices will be able to update via play store..... hoping fr it
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At least currently: One (2013) yes, One X no. Play Store is showing HTC Service Pack and Sense TV as incompatible with my EVITA.
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also i feel we hv rchd some end point in processor evoution fr now.....
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That is right up there with "640K is all the memory you will ever need".
I can guarantee that manufacturers will keep increasing processor specs, since its a marketing bullet point. They will always want you to think the latest or upcoming phone is "better" so you keep upgrading. And software developers will continue to find new ways to suck up processor resources as long as manufacturers keep pushing the specs.
paras33 said:
so that means current generation devices will be able to update via play store..... hoping fr it
also i feel we hv rchd some end point in processor evoution fr now..... nothing major......
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I can't really agree at all there. Processors will continue to evolve for as long as they exist, or as long as the technology permits it. That's the nature of technology. Never in the history of computing has there been a stage where the development of components as important as the processor has stopped or stalled, ever. And that will not happen. In fact, the speeds at which components like this evolve only increases with time.
another area whr htc could hv done better was display....htc is best when it comes to display but nothing major in sunlight conditions......
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another area whr htc could hv done better was display....htc is best when it comes to display but nothing major in sunlight conditions......
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Can you point out a manufacturer or phone that does better in sunlight? Displays work by emitting light, so its going to get washed out by sunlight (that pesky sun puts out a lot of light). There isn't a way around that, unless somebody comes up with a brand new technology like a color version of the Kindle's Paperwhite display.
With existing technologies, the only way to make a display more visible in sunlight is to make it brighter, which uses vastly more battery.
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At least currently: One (2013) yes, One X no. Play Store is showing HTC Service Pack and Sense TV as incompatible with my EVITA.
That is right up there with "640K is all the memory you will ever need".
I can guarantee that manufacturers will keep increasing processor specs, since its a marketing bullet point. They will always want you to think the latest or upcoming phone is "better" so you keep upgrading. And software developers will continue to find new ways to suck up processor resources as long as manufacturers keep pushing the specs.
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my htc one (M7) running sense 6 wont even update the zoe to the current one on the play store. so im zoe App-less. and htc has a neat little HTC fetch app for finding keys and stuff. that one does work on mine (m7)
A frnd got mail saying htc bringing blink feed to all devices with kitkat....only
paras33 said:
A frnd got mail saying htc bringing blink feed to all devices with kitkat....only
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We're still holding out hope for KitKat coming to the One X/XL. So "KitKat only" doesn't tell us a whole lot really.
BlinkFeed coming to non-HTC Android devices 'soon'
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BlinkFeed coming to non-HTC Android devices 'soon'
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Interesting. I don't see the motivation for HTC to do this.
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Interesting. I don't see the motivation for HTC to do this.
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Get more people using your ecosystem, and they're more likely to buy your products Same reason Google puts out a Gmail app for the iPhone, and Apple made an iTunes for Windows when iTunes mattered. I mean, it's dubious if, in this case, it would be effective, but it really can't hurt them much. No one's buying an HTC phone strictly because of BlinkFeed, so they're not losing anything by it. But at the very least they'll gain name recognition.
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Get more people using your ecosystem, and they're more likely to buy your products Same reason Google puts out a Gmail app for the iPhone, and Apple made an iTunes for Windows when iTunes mattered. I mean, it's dubious if, in this case, it would be effective, but it really can't hurt them much. No one's buying an HTC phone strictly because of BlinkFeed, so they're not losing anything by it. But at the very least they'll gain name recognition.
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Google makes most of their money from data farming and marketing. So Gmail and other Google apps on any platform is to their direct benefit. In fact, Android primarily exists for that purpose. Google makes little, if any money from the sale of Android phones.
iTunes for Windows, since that helped sell iPods and later iPhones.
I see no direct benefit for HTC, although as you say it can't hurt. I agree that folks aren't buying HTC phones for BlinkFeed, the manufacturers for some reason still tout their customizations and skins as what "differentiates" them from the competition. For me, its always been superior hardware design that has drawn me to HTC.
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Google makes little, if any money from the sale of Android phones.
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The license fees for Google apps probably cover the development costs of the product.
Im sure Google is making a fair mint from the Google Play Store though. Their commission per sale will quickly end up with them profiting billions a year from it.
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The license fees for Google apps probably cover the development costs of the product.
Im sure Google is making a fair mint from the Google Play Store though. Their commission per sale will quickly end up with them profiting billions a year from it.
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Yeah, not sure about the Play Store. From my understanding, ad sales has always been the end game for Google.
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my htc one (M7) running sense 6 wont even update the zoe to the current one on the play store. so im zoe App-less. and htc has a neat little HTC fetch app for finding keys and stuff. that one does work on mine (m7)
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Nobody has that app yet. It won't b available until summer. I have the M8, and it doesn't even have that zoe app "working" it's installed, but doesn't work.
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Yeah I agree. It frees up those apps to be updated without major updates being pushed to the devices. And like Redpoint said, Sense apps are unable to be used on non-sense (no pun intended) devices due to them being heavily tied into the Sense framework. All in all, it's a good decision by HTC, it's at least a step forward where they desperately need one.
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I also agree.
I don't like blinkfeed.
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HTC said they will let us know soon about dates when Pie will be released but it's been forever ago.
Also is the U12 xda scene dead or HTC themselves dead? I know the way the U12 handles everything, it's tough to makes roms for it etc. Or maybe not many really bothered to even buy the phone because HTC is just not doing well. HTC needs to fix themselves. Get with the norm. Bessless phones, wireless charging etc. Make a phone that blows every other phone out the water with fantastic marketing and they'll get back to the top.
Marketing isn't going to happen. Did you even compare how much money HTC owns, with how expensive global marketing is. Obviously not, cause we got to accept the fact, that marketing isn't an option for HTC to grow.
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Funny how the discussions aremore lively in the U11 area. Anyhow, I saw a great deal on a u12+ today and despite hunting for an s9+ 256gb Duos, I was tempted and then ran here to verify if it got Pie. Shocking that it has not, which means more than likely my u11 is OOL with the last update having been made in Dec 2017.
The apparent thing is that HTC is contacting its smartphone business and its Asian models- its core market- are being ignored for updates, so that tells me everything.
If the current U12 isn't being updated, then the u11 is out, and I am onto Samsung. I can wait until the s10 is announced, then s9 prices will fall. Same for the u12 128. I like the Edge and the cameras. They keep me connected to the phone, but security and future support seems to have been ended.
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HTC said they will let us know soon about dates when Pie will be released but it's been forever ago.
Also is the U12 xda scene dead or HTC themselves dead? I know the way the U12 handles everything, it's tough to makes roms for it etc. Or maybe not many really bothered to even buy the phone because HTC is just not doing well. HTC needs to fix themselves. Get with the norm. Bessless phones, wireless charging etc. Make a phone that blows every other phone out the water with fantastic marketing and they'll get back to the top.
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Pie is coming, be patient...
@maslaq where you have found this table?
Someone well informed from taiwan just sent me
maslaq said:
Someone well informed from taiwan just sent me
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Do you follow this guy on any social app?
maslaq said:
Pie is coming, be patient...
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HTC U11 life has been upgraded to Android Pie.
https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-u11-life-android-pie-update/
This list is just a clickbait of random website.
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Pie is coming, be patient...
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Link to this tweet?
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Do you follow this guy on any social app?
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No.
Just wait patiently.
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HTC U11 life has been upgraded to Android Pie.
https://www.xda-developers.com/htc-u11-life-android-pie-update/
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I think there are two versions of the U11 Life, one with Android One (which has already been update), and one with stock Sense (which has not).
For those bashing people about being unreasonable about expectations for security and software updates, HTC has a binding Federal Trade Commission settlement due to past issues in providing security updates. The FTC also performs inspections of the company every two years as part of the settlement.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/pre...-ftc-charges-it-failed-secure-millions-mobile
My guess is that if HTC is violating this judgement, the smartphone division is in trouble or maybe it's planning to pull out of the US at a minimum. Since there's a judgement, if you're in the US, you could contact the FTC to see if there is current compliance with the settlement terms.
Have any of you seen some of the complaints about Pie? I'm not so sure I'm in an all fired hurry to get it and I am one that is usually chomping at the bit for the latest OS update. It also seems that the issue with our delay is Sense. I don't know much about the Life versions of the U11 and the U12 but I'm guessing they don't have the same version of Sense or any Sense. I'm just guessing here because from what I've been seeing from people testing beta versions and some that have the full version it doesn't play nice with launchers.
https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/1095945078655332352
A new update is coming, but not Pie.
An update, any update is taking entirely too long
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HTC said they will let us know soon about dates when Pie will be released but it's been forever ago.
Also is the U12 xda scene dead or HTC themselves dead? I know the way the U12 handles everything, it's tough to makes roms for it etc. Or maybe not many really bothered to even buy the phone because HTC is just not doing well. HTC needs to fix themselves. Get with the norm. Bessless phones, wireless charging etc. Make a phone that blows every other phone out the water with fantastic marketing and they'll get back to the top.
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Have any of you seen some of the complaints about Pie? I'm not so sure I'm in an all fired hurry to get it and I am one that is usually chomping at the bit for the latest OS update. It also seems that the issue with our delay is Sense. I don't know much about the Life versions of the U11 and the U12 but I'm guessing they don't have the same version of Sense or any Sense. I'm just guessing here because from what I've been seeing from people testing beta versions and some that have the full version it doesn't play nice with launchers.
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For the 500th time: Android OS updates and sexurity updates are separate, with HTC delinquent on the latter, coupling them to former. This is why people are upset. The security updates are actually mandatory for HTC's compliance with a settlement with the Federal Trade Commission in the US and why we bexame accustomed to them being on top of things. Lack of compliance with the settlement is indicating the company is not going in a good direction.
Again: OS updates and security updates are not the same thing and people want both, often calling for the former in order to get the latter.
I Think The King is over and HTC on end of way.......i buy htc device from hd2 to this u11+ and u12+ but i think we should search for other king for use
I dropped my U11 a few days ago and looked around for a different brands but just couldn't cut the apron strings with HTC so bought a U12+. Love it so far but i'm pretty sure this purely familiarity on my part as there are some cracking phones around for less right now but the update situation, both security & pie is dismal especially with no comm's from htc itsself, that's just sloppy & extremely bad form...
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I dropped my U11 a few days ago and looked around for a different brands but just couldn't cut the apron strings with HTC so bought a U12+. Love it so far but i'm pretty sure this purely familiarity on my part as there are some cracking phones around for less right now but the update situation, both security & pie is dismal especially with no comm's from htc itsself, that's just sloppy & extremely bad form...
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I was just saying in another thread that the UI, namely Sense, was a key factor in my picking this device. The specs aren't bad either and the look was the talk of the town, not that it influenced me as much as the substance of the device, but it darn sure didn't hurt.
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I Think The King is over and HTC on end of way.......i buy htc device from hd2 to this u11+ and u12+ but i think we should search for other king for use
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I'd love to hear from other HTC fans like me what their thoughts are on the next device. Honestly I'm kind of stumped on this one and given great pause at the thought of leaving. I've had some sour experiences with Moto and Sammy but that was back in the flip phone days. That Sony phone awhile back looked pretty good until I read about its custom UI. Huawei has some interesting devices and with HTC I never had to consider screen notches. Motos and their battery life issues, not that HTC always got it right. Sammys have a lot of features, some are even pretty cool, eye tracking for screen scroll, blink gestures but... Anyone really got any strong hopefuls?