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Android on HD2

Hi all,
Sorry if this has been answered before!
Does anyone know if its possible to install an Android rom on the HTC HD2? That phone with android would be amaazing.
Thanks!

Not without a whole lot of work.
It is definitely a waste of that hardware to put wincrap on it.
The one reason I would NOT contribute to running android on that device is that every one of those devices that HTC sells, some amount of your $$ gets sent to microshaft, so strictly from the perspective of "I absolutely will NEVER give ONE THIN DIME to those greedy evil bastards", I would ignore the hardware and not do anything that could potentially boost its sales.

Always possible with XDA Dev...see this active thread in the Leo section:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=578575

Thanks for the responses...
Yeah I would love to see Android 2.0 on a Snapdragon processor. I too have a distaste for contributing to MS by purchasing an HD2, but it would be worth it
I get the feeling the recently confirmed "Google Phone" will infact be a modification of the HD2. The thing is, it's so fricken perfect in terms of form factor, I hope they don't make it worse in an attempt to make it distinguishable different from the original
Fingers crossed. And thanks, Ill check out that link.

lbcoder said:
Not without a whole lot of work.
It is definitely a waste of that hardware to put wincrap on it.
The one reason I would NOT contribute to running android on that device is that every one of those devices that HTC sells, some amount of your $$ gets sent to microshaft, so strictly from the perspective of "I absolutely will NEVER give ONE THIN DIME to those greedy evil bastards", I would ignore the hardware and not do anything that could potentially boost its sales.
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So do you own an HTC HD2 or not? If as you say you shouldn't have one, and how you would know if Android is not easy to install on HD2?
You can hate MS as we all do, but don't bad mouth a great piece of hardware, which maybe great if it runs Android.

wouldnt it easier to buy the nexus one ?
specs are close enough ....

maybe the release of this will make a port easier
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/01/26/htc-supersonic-htc-a9292-render-and-live-picture/

I too, would like to see an android release on the HTC HD2... I really expected more from winmo 6.5

i hope there will be a port for winmo6.5 on hd2

We're all waiting for this mate.

Better be aware of who you support
lbcoder said:
Not without a whole lot of work.
It is definitely a waste of that hardware to put wincrap on it.
The one reason I would NOT contribute to running android on that device is that every one of those devices that HTC sells, some amount of your $$ gets sent to microshaft, so strictly from the perspective of "I absolutely will NEVER give ONE THIN DIME to those greedy evil bastards", I would ignore the hardware and not do anything that could potentially boost its sales.
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You complain about MS but think that Google is better? Really! You might want to check into the politics and beliefs of the Google CEO Eric Schmidt. In one of his most recent interviews he stated that he saw nothing wrong with controlling the news available to users via it's home page and search engine. Funnier yet is that they complain about China's censorship, I guess he beliefs censorship is ok as long as he is the censor.
Anyway, didn't mean for this to become a rant, but Google is no better than MS when it comes to attempting to control a market. Windows & Palm were first on the scene with smart phones and both of their operating systems have grown tremendously. I would even say that Apples iPhone OS would not be as intuitive today if it were not for MS and Palm.

Do you really want to port your own version of Android to HD2? It will never be as smooth and fast compared to say just buying an HTC Supersonic.
Also, what do you do with it when everybody has moved to Android 3.0? You won't have any support for it. The ROM Cook may no longer be interested with porting Android 3.0 to what would have been an old outdated piece of hardware in a year's time.
You're better off just buying an HTC Supersonic. At least you could pray that HTC would give you future Android versions when they become available.

I've played with a Nexus one and a HD2. The hardware is not close in my opinion. The supersonic (Evo) looks great but it's cdma.

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The supersonic (Evo) looks great but it's cdma.
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I'm sure (or at least hopeful) that a GSM version will be available later. It's a shame to have such an excellent spec hardware not available to the rest of the world.

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I'm sure (or at least hopeful) that a GSM version will be available later. It's a shame to have such an excellent spec hardware not available to the rest of the world.
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Really! I've gotten so tired of my Pro2 with WM 6.5, I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was GSM and supported my carrier's 3G. But of course, AT&T has to get the worst Android phones in history in its lineup while forgetting about HTC completely.

If the only thing to edit is the radio rom, shouldn't be such a big deal for all the developers here.
Really looking forward to my HD2 running android!!

DaveTheTytnIIGuy said:
Really! I've gotten so tired of my Pro2 with WM 6.5, I would buy one in a heartbeat if it was GSM and supported my carrier's 3G. But of course, AT&T has to get the worst Android phones in history in its lineup while forgetting about HTC completely.
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I hope you know why At&t doesn't want htc smartphones on their lineup? The reason is because they dont want any htc phones to destroy the iphone. Which is true...sales will drop if a htc 4"3 screen showed up. Not to mention apple is sueing htc.

I just noticed the HTC desire has almost identical specs as the HD2, except for the screen size, most of it is the same, both are gsm....cant they port the android os from the desire on to the HD2..??

bizmark03 said:
I just noticed the HTC desire has almost identical specs as the HD2, except for the screen size, most of it is the same, both are gsm....cant they port the android os from the desire on to the HD2..??
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i want to know this as well .
Android for the hd2 ?
windows mobile isnt what i expected at all . A total failure (WM6.5 )actually IMHO

Think the Droid Incredible ROM would work on a HD2?? I don't know if it being from Verizon would make a difference or not. BTW - Droid Incredible is the strangest name for a phone EVER!!

It's Time for Google to take control of the Android update process

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-ne...of-the-android-update-process/664?tag=nl.e550
I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?

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http://www.zdnet.com/blog/mobile-ne...of-the-android-update-process/664?tag=nl.e550
I completely agree. Manufacturers can provide the hardware drivers and Android has them built-in to the OS. That way, EVERYONE (as long as the hardware is compatible) gets the latest version of Android on release day. You know, like Microsoft Windows?
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I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.

zelendel said:
I totally agree with this but as long as each carrier insists on adding their own bloatware this will never happen.
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They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.

Rikusaki said:
They can put the bloatware on all they want and every release of Android can be nice and clean (AOSP). Like how HP and Sony laptops have bloatware to begin with, but you can install a clean version of Windows on top of that.
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Could work but here is where you will run into trouble. Once you load an AOSP rom onto the phone AT&T or carrier of choice will not have to support it. Could you imagine getting bounced between Samsung and Google to get support. Dont get me wrong, I would love to see this myself but I just dont see it happening unless A. Google offers support for every device running android, Not to likely, B. Carriers agree to support non branded software, even less likely.

Ya not going to happen sorry. Each company would have to have the source code to make the phones compatible then the service providers would have to have that info. Then it would all have to be sent back to google. So it is essentially adding another later of delays
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The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.

DucatiGuy said:
The service carriers owning so much control over the OS and devices kind of reminds me of the days when you'd purchase internet service via AOL. You had to install all their crap just to get to the internet...and you lived within their little AOL content-land...
Eventually, perhaps, cell service providers could become more like ISP's today. You pay more for the internet access and less for all the useless desktop icons and name branded chat rooms LOL.
It would take a shift in the industry, and it's not a shift the carriers would benefit from, IMO, so don't hold your breath.
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I completely agree with that hopefully that is the future but it seems so unlikely. Most people honestly don't care that all that extra junk is added
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Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Yeah, if Apple can do it, why can't Google?

born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.

I still think Apple is going to have updates for the masses at one time - and they do it as promised..
Yes Google has more devices, but just like apple, the new software is available for previous versions, just that ur specific device may not be able to support it.
Wishful thinking?
zelendel said:
Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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born_fisherman said:
Umm if iphones are potentially going to more than verizon and Att, then isn't apple still going to release version X.X for everyone as they have been doing? Why would Google have it any other way?
They (Google) absolutely does need to get the bull by the horns on this.. my 69 cents.
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If someone has answered this I apologize but...
NOO the iphones are completely locked down as almost all of their products are (I bought a mac pro for school and will never waste my money again). Apple is the only people who can provide updates. Like every apple product only their hardware will work. Exactly the opposite of both pcs and androids where tons of hardware will work with the os
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zelendel said:
Most likely not as the verizon version will have diff hardware, they will most likely have a version for cdma and a version for gsm models. Not to mention Google has more hardware configs to worry about. The iphone except for the diff between cdma and gsm are all the same.
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I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.

Ebvad said:
I agree Google has a lot bigger challenge due to so many hardware configs. Apple has control of all the hardware in their phones where as Google doesn't.
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I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.

morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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Nexus 1 and Nexus S???

emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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They need to make those phones available on more carriers.

If you don't know the history, you are deemed to repeat it. Unfortunately, Google learnt nothing from the past desasters of mobile OS update, a.k.a. Windows Mobile. Android today is in the exact same mess as WM in the past with the exception of more frequent OS updates than MS ever did. If Google can't forsee this type of release model aren't going to cut it, Android will follow WM to the grave.
Phone manufacturers are primary hardware makers. You can't trust them to produce quality softwares. That's why there are separate software companies out there.
Even Microsoft now knows it has to control the OS upgrade all by itself, bypass Phone makers altogether, in WP7.

emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Google doesn't make the hardware for those phones

emuneee said:
Nexus 1 and Nexus S???
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Nexus One is a complete failure from business stand point of view. Nexus S isn't going too well either.

morfy50 said:
I would love to see Google go the Apple route and manufacture their own phone and tablet hardware. Control the entire process.
Doesn't mean they have to take Android away from manufacturers, just provide us with a phone(s) that's TOTALLY theirs.
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just a thought,
even though samsung manufactures the nexus s, i think even if google manufactured it they would still be using 3rd party components. ie they arent going to make the screen for it, they arent going to make the wireless chip.
they will have to get there parts from somewhere else, so why would they make it in the first place. im sure the way they have it now they have a huge say-so in what goes into the nexus.
so for them its a win-win situation.

please tell htc you want stock opt out options

i wrote them this below and they sent me a link here http://www.htcdev.com/contact
we want two os versions with each phone one stock the other sense we want the ability to opt out of sense to have pure android without the need for rooting give us the choice of a faster update with stock or wait for sense you say we make the phone customize it anyway we like but you change so much you make it almost impossible to add custom ringtones even using 3rd party apps we still cant make changes to it ect.. sense can slow it down quite a bit from time to time give us vanilla options
so what i am asking and begging is that you guys leave feedback for them any feedback even if its against faster stock options so that the phones and software will improve and have better options to or liking without the need to root just to get stock and more useability i for one do not want a mutilated ice cream sandwich

Won't work. The average non-tech user likes sense, and doesn't want to deal wtih complications like dealing with vanilla or sense. So it's going to remain this way. Thats why they made it easy for you to root, cause if you are interested you have the choice.

LOL!
HTC will not be removing its proprietary software anytime soon. That's how it makes its money. Companies pay to put bloatware in HTC Sense.
Why would HTC give customers the option to chose Sense or stock? I don't see your logic behind it. From a business standpoint, this is absolutely ridiculous.
You have to look at both sides. As customers, it would be great to have that choice. But it would not make sense (no pun intended) for HTC to do this from a business standpoint.
If you want stock, get a Nexus. Or root and put your own AOSP ROM.

im not expecting pure as snow of course i expect some bloat but before they do a full customization they had to make a runnable stockish version for each phone and drivers first so its not like they have to do more work that comes after they start trying to port sense so im not asking for much just no sense Samsung phones you can flash the new update all i want is for them to provide two options available after you buy the phone an an update rolls around and did not ask for root did i

Why would it not make sense? From a business stand point, look how many users of HTC phones are coming on to XDA and downloading custom ROMs, including vanilla Android ROMs. And clearly by the amount of "newbie" questions that constantly show up, more and more, its obvious more people want this option. To ignore this growing segment of users would be a bad business move.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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GManLynx said:
Won't work. The average non-tech user likes sense, and doesn't want to deal wtih complications like dealing with vanilla or sense. So it's going to remain this way. Thats why they made it easy for you to root, cause if you are interested you have the choice.
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with your warranty removed or effected yes

andyln3 said:
Why would it not make sense? From a business stand point, look how many users of HTC phones are coming on to XDA and downloading custom ROMs, including vanilla Android ROMs. And clearly by the amount of "newbie" questions that constantly show up, more and more, its obvious more people want this option. To ignore this growing segment of users would be a bad business move.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Because, in HTC's eyes, Sense is A PART OF THEIR PRODUCT! They're not going to strip down their product, which is a focal selling point on their devices, for a hand-full of tech enthusiasts who want vanilla android. Google activates 550,000 new Android phones per day. The portion of that 550,000 that want vanilla Android is less than 10%. Which means the other 90% want a phone that's good straight out of the box with all the goodies.
It's called a target market.
The target market that HTC is catering to are the new android users, which produce the most profit. Sense is easy to use for noobs, it's flashy and gives the WOW factor, and has a lot of premium widgets.
That's more than enough for their target market.
They cater their product to their target market. Simple as that. They know damn well that Google and Samsung are already targeting power users with the Nexus product line. If HTC were to go into that market, they'd be the late movers. It wouldn't be profitable to them.
I'm a business man. As a marketing officer for my company, it's my job to know this stuff

LPChris47 said:
Because, in HTC's eyes, Sense is A PART OF THEIR PRODUCT! They're not going to strip down their product, which is a focal selling point on their devices, for a hand-full of tech enthusiasts who want vanilla android. Google activates 550,000 new Android phones per day. The portion of that 550,000 that want vanilla Android is less than 10%. Which means the other 90% want a phone that's good straight out of the box with all the goodies.
It's called a target market.
The target market that HTC is catering to are the new android users, which produce the most profit. Sense is easy to use for noobs, it's flashy and gives the WOW factor, and has a lot of premium widgets.
That's more than enough for their target market.
They cater their product to their target market. Simple as that. They know damn well that Google and Samsung are already targeting power users with the Nexus product line. If HTC were to go into that market, they'd be the late movers. It wouldn't be profitable to them.
I'm a business man. As a marketing officer for my company, it's my job to know this stuff
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its not stripped is providing the option for those who want it device will still ship with sense that wont change but there will be an option available what is there to argue against they had to make a stock version before porting sense ? they can lock it down all they want im just asking for is a build along the line of the htc desire z for tmobile and btw from a business standpoint all your customer will be more happy not as much complaints and as stated before noobs asking questions about how to root to get stock most of that would be swashed all i was asking is that people ask so the option would be created from those that wanted it and theres nothing wrong with that is there?

btw they have done similar before remember the mytouch European version would be like that but the opposite instead of adding sense would be removing it

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its not stripped is providing the option for those who want it device will still ship with sense that wont change but there will be an option available what is there to argue against they had to make a stock version before porting sense ? they can lock it down all they want im just asking for is a build along the line of the htc desire z for tmobile
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With all due respect, you aren't listening to business reasons as to why HTC won't do it. I'm not arguing that we, as consumers, shouldn't get that choice.
I'm saying that HTC won't do it because it makes no sense for them to do it, from a business standpoint.
HTC doesn’t just sell phones, it offers the “Sense experience”. It even says on the phone “powered by HTC Sense”. So putting stock Android would be against their philosophy (but still better for the users!).
Also, the G2 had one of the shortest life spans that an HTC phone has ever had, according to tmonews.com
It didn't appeal enough to their target market (beginners), because it lacked out-of-the-box functionality. People had to go on the Android market to get stuff that they wanted, but HTC's target market would rather have everything fully functional and to satisfy their needs right out of the box (Friend Stream, HTC mail, HTC clock, etc...)

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With all due respect, you aren't listening to business reasons as to why HTC won't do it. I'm not arguing that we, as consumers, shouldn't get that choice.
I'm saying that HTC won't do it because it makes no sense for them to do it, from a business standpoint.
HTC doesn’t just sell phones, it offers the “Sense experience”. It even says on the phone “powered by HTC Sense”. So putting stock Android would be against their philosophy (but still better for the users!).
Also, the G2 had one of the shortest life spans that an HTC phone has ever had, according to tmonews.com
It didn't appeal enough to their target market (beginners), because it lacked out-of-the-box functionality. People had to go on the Android market to get stuff that they wanted, but HTC's target market would rather have everything fully functional and to satisfy their needs right out of the box (Friend Stream, HTC mail, HTC clock, etc...)
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your the one not listening the phones would still ship with sense but...... to stop the buzzing in your ears and make everyone happy they could do this its an optional flash not to be shipped with if someone does not like stock they can flash back sense then can't they 'done I'm not gonna debate it with unopened minded people it as just an idea that those in favor take a few seconds to tell htc or that people share there idea with them in general to make the product better and everyone happy its up to the individual to decide what they want to do with those few seconds be help or debate about it like bureaucrats and get nothing done but talk

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your the one not listening the phones would still ship with sense but...... to stop the buzzing in your ears and make everyone happy they could do this its an optional flash not to be shipped with if someone does not like stock they can flash back sense then can't they
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Okay buddy, whatever you say lol.
Last thing I'll say about this issue is: HTC doesn't have the obligation to "make everyone happy". They're only focused on their target market. Sadly, that's how business works.

HTC Sense is loved by many. The most popular ROMs for the Sensation are just modified Sense ROMs. It's their differentiation from their competitors...no way they do this.

If you want a phone that has a stock android experience.. buy one that has it out of the box. Why would you prefer an HTC phone over say.. Nexus? Because of the OVERALL phone. Both, hardware and software.
Business standpoint for HTC isn't to make every single consumer happy, but instead make money. They make money from Sense. Not from a stock experience.
Its like asking Microsoft to make the Classic 98 theme default out of the box because some people go out of their way to add it.

Good points everyone. Remember, nobody is asking HTC to stop making Sense products. We're simply asking for a choice. An HTC phone comes with Sense by default, wonderful... now give us an option to have the non-skinned experience as well. It's like buying a desktop computer with bundled bloatware. Do you think Windows would have been as successful if you couldn't install a clean, barebones version of Windows? No...everyone would go to something else. We're buying the product. Give us options. Everybody has their own tastes. (why I loathe Apple products ;-)
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Good points everyone. Remember, nobody is asking HTC to stop making Sense products. We're simply asking for a choice. An HTC phone comes with Sense by default, wonderful... now give us an option to have the non-skinned experience as well. It's like buying a desktop computer with bundled bloatware. Do you think Windows would have been as successful if you couldn't install a clean, barebones version of Windows? No...everyone would go to something else. We're buying the product. Give us options. Everybody has their own tastes. (why I loathe Apple products ;-)
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I agree.

I can't believe people are even considering HTC would do this
Go buy what you like - but don't expect manufacturers to cater for individual tastes in a single unit. That's what this place is for.

#1, OP. I hated reading your posts because it was like a continuous sentence. I'm calling you out.
Business standpoint. Business standpoint. I keep hearing this word, but I never hear real business analysis. So here we go boys.
For all customers that think HTC should change something, remember, you're just a customer. You are #2 on the totem pole, and their #1 goal is to appease creditors/shareholders in terms of profits, through either interest payments, dividends, or equity accretion (and the amounts that these increase come from Net Income). That means, they need stuff to stand out from their competitors (remember, Android is a fragmented platform, where companies are in monopolistic competition). BRANDING IS THEIR LIFEBLOOD. WITHOUT IT, THEY'LL LOSE TO OTHER COMPANIES. This includes Sense. Got that?
Just because having AOSP will make your life easier, doesn't mean that HTC has to give up their competitive advantages. Just wait for CM to release CM9. It will be better AOSP than what HTC releases anyway.

HTC comments on Jelly Bean for the One Series

http://ausdroid.net/2012/06/29/htc-comments-on-jelly-bean-for-the-one-series/

"We are excited about Android Jelly Bean and are planning to support it across a variety of our devices. We are reviewing the software to determine our upgrade plans and schedule, so please stay tuned for more updates on specific device upgrade plans.”
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They say basically nothing.

We'll obviously get jelly bean.. In fall..

karan1203 said:
We'll obviously get jelly bean.. In fall..
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2014

Who cares when we get "official" JB? We'll get it long before HTC gives it to us. And honestly I could care less if we ever get it at all. My phone is quite literally perfect the way it is and will do just fine for me until HTC's quad core S4 phone comes out.
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I love how htc spins its wheels regarding every issue...
I understand from a big business point of view of wanting to balance sounding good while not giving any definitive answers, but honestly its getting a little old now...
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How awesome would it be if htc let's us run plain android ala nexus on the one x .
I think it would make this phone even better than it already is.
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one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.

ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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The custom ui's draw some people in, the buy the phone because the love sense, or touchwiz. Many people run custom launchera, but some but phones specifically because the want that custom ui.
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gunnyman said:
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From AT&T ya... if at all. HTC will prolly push it out around September/October.

Red5 said:
From AT&T ya... if at all. HTC will prolly push it out around September/October.
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Indeed
As soon as we have source builds will start so maybe July/August

They are probably working on it now. They might be one of the few oems that got the pdk a bit early that Google announced. So hopefully updates will roll out faster
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ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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Sense 4 is not bad and better than stock ics in some ways.
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ethantarheels123 said:
one thing I really dont understand is the reason manufacturers put their own ui on top of android phones. Its not like they are gonna get any extra money from it. It seems like they are just too ignorant to realize that paying software engineers to create Sense UI and making their customers butthurt while using it is a complete waste when all we want is an unobtrusive android experience. I would gladly take a delayed kernel source if that meant that phones shipped with vanilla android.
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They do this to help differentiate a saturated market. And believe it or not, I know quite a few people who dig sense, or tw. I myself prefer vanilla. But you have to remember there is a lot of little handy things sense does, like fb integration, that stock vanilla android does not do, and most users couldn't be bothered to play with it and mod it to work. I am just against manufacturer overlays as the next Xda user(the minority), but I'm just trying to enlighten you as to why these overlays exist, mainly to stand out from one another.
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corythug said:
They do this to help differentiate a saturated market. And believe it or not, I know quite a few people who dig sense, or tw. I myself prefer vanilla. But you have to remember there is a lot of little handy things sense does, like fb integration, that stock vanilla android does not do, and most users couldn't be bothered to play with it and mod it to work. I am just against manufacturer overlays as the next Xda user(the minority), but I'm just trying to enlighten you as to why these overlays exist, mainly to stand out from one another.
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the ONLY reason I use a sense based rom is due to facebook syncing contact pictures. Its very handy. I know of haxsync, but I don't want to pay for something that should be/is free.

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I for one really like sence and would never bash someone for liking aosp. If I'm not mistaken I believe the manufactures are required to mask the ui of stock android. Except for the nexus series which is marketed as a google device.
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jayv81 said:
Everyone is entitled to there own opinion. I for one really like sence and would never bash someone for liking aosp. If I'm not mistaken I believe the manufactures are required to mask the ui of stock android. Except for the nexus series which is marketed as a google device.
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Not true at all. It's the opposite. They like adding their own stuff because they think that's what sells. Go look at any "cheap" Android phone. They're actually lucky enough to get stock Android.
I've been wishing they could just make it the customers choice. It can't be hard to make a vanilla rom on top of their Sense or TW. At initial setup let us choose whether or not it installs Sense or whatever.

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Not true at all. It's the opposite. They like adding their own stuff because they think that's what sells. Go look at any "cheap" Android phone. They're actually lucky enough to get stock Android.
I've been wishing they could just make it the customers choice. It can't be hard to make a vanilla rom on top of their Sense or TW. At initial setup let us choose whether or not it installs Sense or whatever.
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rquinn I have to believe Google wants the same thing.
Google puts a lot of work into the Stock Android experience. ICS is by a huge margin better from a UI standpoint than any version that has come before it.
Trouble is, unless you're a phone geek, you won't see it.
I can only think of one or two devices besides the Nexus that DON'T skin Android.
I want to try a Huwai device for this reason. I've decided that after I'm done with this device, I'm buying a Pure Google one. If the release of the Nexus 7 and the Galaxy Nexus to the play store is any indication, Google is going into the hardware business full time, and I can't wait to see what they do.
Skins can be great, but they should be an option that you can enable or disable with a button click.

I personally love Sense, but it's what works for you, obviously. HTC's Mail app has the best Exchange support I've ever seen in Android. Granted I've never used Samsung's mail client, so maybe it's comparable, but everything else is either really flaky, incomplete, or ugly. I actually wish they would bring back the My Shelf application that was on a few phones (like the DHD.) Of all the eReaders I've tried, it's been my favourite. I also haven't seen any calendar app/widget combination that has, IMO, come close to the HTC one in terms of fluidity and completeness.
But, on the topic of Jellybean: As someone else mentioned, I'm in no rush. This phone's damn near perfect. It's almost always buttery smooth, so I don't think Project Butter will improve it a whole lot. Google Now and the improved notifications would be nice though, I guess.

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I personally love Sense, but it's what works for you, obviously. HTC's Mail app has the best Exchange support I've ever seen in Android. Granted I've never used Samsung's mail client, so maybe it's comparable, but everything else is either really flaky, incomplete, or ugly. I actually wish they would bring back the My Shelf application that was on a few phones (like the DHD.) Of all the eReaders I've tried, it's been my favourite. I also haven't seen any calendar app/widget combination that has, IMO, come close to the HTC one in terms of fluidity and completeness.
But, on the topic of Jellybean: As someone else mentioned, I'm in no rush. This phone's damn near perfect. It's almost always buttery smooth, so I don't think Project Butter will improve it a whole lot. Google Now and the improved notifications would be nice though, I guess.
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Project butter will, think of it like a tune up to a car, but a tune up to the Android code, probably a copy of linaro code on cm9.
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@HTC USA twitter account response to me when asking about the 4.1 Jelly Bean update

After asking @HTC USA on twitter for an update when Jelly Bean 4.1 will be released for AT&T HTC One XL flagship and here is what they had to say! Blah!!!
HTC USA ‏@HTCUSA
@SmallvilleKrypt Yes, it will. We don't have a date yet but we should know more soon.

What were you expecting? Pointless thread is pointless.

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What were you expecting? Pointless thread is pointless.
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Basically to state that they no longer care about their flagship phone as it no longer is their flagship phone :/

From what I read the One X + is coming out Friday I wouldn't imagine our update coming out before then since jelly bean is a selling point for the new phone.
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Wait, so they told you yes and you're mad? Would you have preferred no?
The person running the Twitter feed is likely a 22-year old liberal arts major in charge of social networking. I'd put exactly zero confidence into their responses.

You're really surprised OP?

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From what I read the One X + is coming out Friday I wouldn't imagine our update coming out before then since jelly bean is a selling point for the new phone.
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Htc said it would not be released till the onex+ was released
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Basically to state that they no longer care about their flagship phone as it no longer is their flagship phone :/
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The one x was their flagship, not us the one xl
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thebobmannh said:
Wait, so they told you yes and you're mad? Would you have preferred no?
The person running the Twitter feed is likely a 22-year old liberal arts major in charge of social networking. I'd put exactly zero confidence into their responses.
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I'm not mad because they said "YES" I'm upset, because they have mentioned in the pass that it would be coming out in October for AT&T HTC One X and we are still waiting. I already know that it will come out eventually, but I was just trying to get an ETA and the info I was provided is not accurate nor an estimate.
I Agree with the post above that they are delaying this due to One X+ being released with Jelly Bean already and being a selling point. Why is everyone so grumpy about the post i'm just sharing information with the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are wondering as well.
I read on a site that they did start rolling out the Jelly Bean update to the HTC in Taiwan. Check this article out, thanks.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/10/26/htc-one-x-jelly-bean-update-starts-rolling-out/

movadoevo8 said:
I'm not mad because they said "YES" I'm upset, because they have mentioned in the pass that it would be coming out in October for AT&T HTC One X and we are still waiting. I already know that it will come out eventually, but I was just trying to get an ETA and the info I was provided is not accurate nor an estimate.
I Agree with the post above that they are delaying this due to One X+ being released with Jelly Bean already and being a selling point. Why is everyone so grumpy about the post i'm just sharing information with the forum. I'm sure there are plenty of people out there that are wondering as well.
I read on a site that they did start rolling out the Jelly Bean update to the HTC in Taiwan. Check this article out, thanks.
http://www.gottabemobile.com/2012/10/26/htc-one-x-jelly-bean-update-starts-rolling-out/
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cuz the one x was teh flagship... not the xl. ofc they updated the one x.

USA hardware is different than Taiwan hardware. The update will need kernel changes, who knows, maybe for each carrier.
Plus, thanks to Apple and the screwed up court decision, our basic Sense apps are also different.
You can't take the Taiwan rom, change languages, and be ready to distribute.
Being ready elsewhere means that they've engaged in the commitment.
Being ready here will take longer. Sucks, yeah, but later isn't never.
And if they hadn't laid people off after Apple caused a nice stock scare, maybe we would all have it by now.
I know who I'm disgusted with, and in the meantime, there are many interesting and fun roms for those who like to root while we wait.

Different how?
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Different how?
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The internals are not even similar for the one x and one xl

EarlyMon said:
USA hardware is different than Taiwan hardware. The update will need kernel changes, who knows, maybe for each carrier.
Plus, thanks to Apple and the screwed up court decision, our basic Sense apps are also different.
You can't take the Taiwan rom, change languages, and be ready to distribute.
Being ready elsewhere means that they've engaged in the commitment.
Being ready here will take longer. Sucks, yeah, but later isn't never.
And if they hadn't laid people off after Apple caused a nice stock scare, maybe we would all have it by now.
I know who I'm disgusted with, and in the meantime, there are many interesting and fun roms for those who like to root while we wait.
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Yeah I guess your right, but I left CM10 came back to stop, because battery life is much better and I can't give up the Stock HTX ONE X camera. I know the 4.2 camera is not bad, however it still not way near as good as the one x native camera.

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The internals are not even similar for the one x and one xl
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Software is definitely different in the US as well, it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
movadoevo8 said:
Yeah I guess your right, but I left CM10 came back to stop, because battery life is much better and I can't give up the Stock HTX ONE X camera. I know the 4.2 camera is not bad, however it still not way near as good as the one x native camera.
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Don't know if ViperX works for you, or if they have a variant for you yet. I like Viper4G (Sprint), it's pretty good.

EarlyMon said:
Software is definitely different in the US as well, it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
Don't know if ViperX works for you, or if they have a variant for you yet. I like Viper4G (Sprint), it's pretty good.
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We have ViperXL

EarlyMon said:
it's hamstrung by app associations. Took devs a while to crack that after the last release.
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Would you mind elaborating? i have no clue what you mean

nugzo said:
Would you mind elaborating? i have no clue what you mean
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Certainly.
Here's a post from another forum when we had our first fix, it covers the patent itself -
EarlyMon at AF said:
This is Patent US5946647 - System and method for performing an action on a structure in computer ... - Google Patents
A system and method causes a computer to detect and perform actions on structures identified in computer data. The system provides an analyzer server, an application program interface, a user interface and an action processor. The analyzer server receives from an application running concurrently data having recognizable structures, uses a pattern analysis unit, such as a parser or fast string search function, to detect structures in the data, and links relevant actions to the detected structures. The application program interface communicates with the application running concurrently, and transmits relevant information to the user interface. Thus, the user interface can present and enable selection of the detected structures, and upon selection of a detected structure, present the linked candidate actions. Upon selection of an action, the action processor performs the action on the detected structure.
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This bs patent was applied for in 1996 and not granted until the dot-com, hog-wild, patent-changing days - it was granted in 1999.
It is widely known to be violated by Microsoft's right-click on content, something widely done before the patent was even applied for.
In this case - you get a youtube link by text - open with browser or youtube app - that's covered by the last two sentences of the quote above, in fact, it's covered exactly.
Anyway - if you want the fix, this is it, there are many debates on Apple/HTC patents in the Lounge and the Android Lounge and it's pretty much all the same - Apple sucks (true), the patent laws are now broken (true), Apple has known about this Sense violation for a long time (true), others are violating this so-called invention and haven't been sued yet (true), etc etc etc etc.
This is the fix for the problems of not having links show up as links in email and not getting selection for browser vs Maps or browser vs YouTube or browser vs Play Store in text messages or web pages, etc.
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Here is a post from elsewhere on XDA. Your takeaway - the top picture is how HTC Mail should work and does work in the rest of the world - the bottom picture is how Mail works in the USA when presented with web link in plain text. Notice that the normal action is to detect the url and make a link.
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I restored to Viper 1.0.0 with the Linkify option installed (build.prop edit we all loved, thanks for that! ) -
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Ok, for good measure, here is that exact same message with Viper4G 2.0.2 and #Fapple -
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PS - if desired as a test message, drop me a line via private message.
Also, I forwarded this to a Gmail account. When read with Mail, no links. When read with Gmail, the links appeared. So Gmail will automagically create links on outgoing and incoming.
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That's been removed. Along with other free-form app associations.
So we're clear - the behavior I'm describing is still the default on Gmail on your phone and in many places on your Windows PC.
It was prior art. Apple did not invent it. Yet, thanks to our messed up patent system, they got a patent on this.
Apple went after HTC on this a few years ago - no one else, just HTC.
In a decision that surprised even the judge's own clerks, in the 4th quarter of last year, Apple won a suit against HTC granting an injunction against distribution of the software. The market panicked, the internet was full of "proof" that HTC stole, consumers panicked thinking that they'd no longer get support and HTC's meteoric sales climb in 2011 came to an abrupt halt. Investors panicked. HTC earnings dropped.
The blogosphere, with all of the intelligence of brain-damaged monkeys, let loose with their HTC hate and said that the sales drop-off was a clear indication that everyone hated the people-centric Sense features (by then, adopted wholesale by Google for for ICS and the same bloggers praised it as a revolutionary breakthrough while picking lice from one another) and that's why HTC was a failure.
Newcomers to Android believed it and the myth was propagated until Mobile World Congress in Barcelona 2012 where the One X and Sense 4.0 was unveiled. Banana-eaters fell over themselves reporting on the new "light-weight" Sense (that is the same size at Sense 3.5) as a victory for monkeys with keyboards. HTC, not stupid, agreed with the blogosphere.
The One X train left the station, full steam ahead.
Enter Apple, they petitioned the courts again, not satisified that HTC was really following court orders. HTC clearly was, but that never stops a good shark-lawyer.
Next up - May of this year and HTC phones are held in quarantine by the US Customs Bureau while they checked again. Release dates were missed and re-scheduled for several HTC models (including the X), buyers got scared again - in no small part to the monkeys, now fully lobotomized, telling people that the USA might never see an HTC One X. Investors went from panic to bed-wetting of tidal proportions, and the head of HTC had to get help from the Prime Minister of Taiwan to curb the panic.
Oh, and then it turned out the phones were fine and got shipped. Full of hype, black eyes and lies but shipped and those of us who care about what we like, liked the One X and we bought them.
But - for that reason - basic Sense apps like Mail, Messaging, Calendar - do not perform the same stock in the USA as they did earlier this year and as they still do everywhere else in the world.
HTC first put in a simple on/off switch. Turn in one way, it's Sense. Turn it the other, it's hamstrung Sense. Easy to change. So easy that Apple complained again and with the Android 4.04 release, the latest Sense apps are _very_ different than before and you can't change it with an on/off switch.
There is a root mod to fix it in the Sprint community, called #Fapple, I'd guess it's out there for the One XL by now, but I'd have to check.
PS - The #Fapple pictures above were during debugging and aren't final the solution, but they show the point well enough.
TL/DR version - not HTC's fault that they have to make more than one version of things to work with JellyBean, and that adds time.

Honestly I'm just praying we see something by early Q1 of 2013.

akdlskdls said:
Honestly I'm just praying we see something by early Q1 of 2013.
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I hope so, too.
I'm hoping that the Droid DNA (Verizon variant of the J Butterfly, the new breed) and their exclusivity with VZW will give us breathing room before their new product prep and announcements at MWC 2012, and that breathing time will be used for us.
The old HTC was first on the block with updates, in the past year or so, many on the forums have charged that they drive the latest to new buyers before supporting old ones.
If we see the update soon enough, that will show me that they're back to their old ways.
Hope so!