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[Misc] future of android.

Would like to start a general discussion here.
Would it be a good idea if Google only use android on their own ( Motorola) hardware?
Take this as current state and not the changes in ice cream.
Currently android is a mess 6 versions of the the os in the market.
Three main ones app makers have to support.
I love aosp so I use cm7 as I missed the nexus one and the nexus s didn't have an SD card.
I have tried touchwiz on a galaxy s. Sense on a hero and desire HD. Motoblur on a dext and defy.
They add nothing all they do is slow down the phone and updates.
Why do company's feel the need to add old ui's ( most are ported from older model phones)
Something I miss from my iphones was updates on all devices as the same time, no waiting around for a manufactor to mess around with it,then a network to spoil it even more, then for me to get it after a slow roll out.
So maybe android needs to take a look at ios and think why do app devs like it more? Why do normal users like it more?( XDA users are not normal users)
I would like one of three things to happen.
1- all android phones are aosp.
2- added UI are installable as an option not bundled into the phone.
3- Google to only release phones for purity.
Would like to see peoples thoughts on this.
And also if you like a UI why do you like it? what do you think it adds?
I repair things I am not a writer so hope its coherent enough to get the jist.
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HTC, Samsung, Moto, etc... they put those UIs on to dumb down the OS. Make it simple. Simple sells.
Simple UI plus a Powerful OS = great sales!

But sense adds even more settings and more to the lockscreen more everything.
Motoblur seems to need a blur account then you need your Google account for market.
Not that simple to me.
Touchwiz just seems to change things not add or take away.
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All of those make it simple. How do you add to the lock screen on stock Android?

vetvito said:
All of those make it simple. How do you add to the lock screen on stock Android?
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You can't on stock its a simple unlock or mute
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What makes apple so "great" in most customers eyes is the simplicity. I love android just for the fact that there are so many ways time customize it it's ridiculous. Example: apple had to release almost 5 generations of the iPhone just to try to keep up with the android.
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aurgerman said:
Example: apple had to release almost 5 generations of the iPhone just to try to keep up with the android.
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Not sure I agree with that.
Android only really took over apple when android got to 2.2( not everyone even has that yet)
Ios is very rock soil and before ios4 didn't really crash on me. I have only started noticing problems since ios4.
And with the customization with our phones there is a limit to what you can theme on stock rom without root.
Installing cydia on ios devices you get loads of themes and changes some of them are even better then android visually.
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Are you sure ^ ? 2.2 - 2.3 is on 85% of Android devices right now.

Let's keep in mind that all these companies need to distinguish themselves from their competition. Consider all the competing phones based on, say, the ARM A8 platform. With similar core hardware under the hood running the same underlying OS, the interface is simply the best place to make a given model noticeably distinct to the average consumer.
Google may not be thrilled with platform fragmentation, but I'd wager that the various royalties / licensing fees / brand recognition opportunities / whatever more than make up for it. Going full-turtle would be bad business. Just my 2 cents...
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iammodo said:
3- Google to only release phones for purity.
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Coming soon from Google: AryanOS, locked down tighter than **** Cheney's butthole to guarantee purity!
/Godwinned
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vetvito said:
HTC, Samsung, Moto, etc... they put those UIs on to dumb down the OS. Make it simple. Simple sells.
Simple UI plus a Powerful OS = great sales!
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So true.
Also, Google, Moto, Sammy, and HTC don't fight back enough with carriers, mainly Verizon, against bloat. Verizon would probably say "To hell with Android then" if they did, since they don't have as much leverage as the iPhone and Apple.
Jazz is also right. If every manufacture had stock on their phones, you wouldn't know which to choose since there would be no difference. Only buyers, like us, that actually care about the speed of a phone, and the ram and rom and all that jazz would know the differences, but average users wouldn't. Hell, my sister, who is only 21, doesn't understand the difference between a Droid and an Android phone, she assumes that every phone that runs Android is a Droid...like my aunt's Evo. (lol)
I actually like Sense, especially Sense 3.5. I think it makes Android look a little nicer, especially if you don't want to root or use custom roms. Touchwiz is also kinda nice, but it's really just the launcher that is changed. Blur is a piece of doodoo though. Can't even install the Facebook app onto my X2 because of Blur's useless Facebook integration that works like hell. Tells me everything I don't want to know, and nothing that I do.
I seriously don't see the point of bloat anyways. If the app is already installed on my phone and I never use it, what is the difference between that and it not being on my phone entirely. If I wanted the dang app, I would've clicked the Verizon tab in the market and downloaded VCast or VMusic. Best answer is probably that Verizon has some stupid person in HR or whatever deciding on what is preinstalled on the phone, instead of the actual consumer. (Then again, I don't see the point in a Facebook phone as well..)

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Its like looking into a time machine , i remember iOS3 & 4 when it was as simple as jailbreak.me man it used to be so easy :/

please tell htc you want stock opt out options

i wrote them this below and they sent me a link here http://www.htcdev.com/contact
we want two os versions with each phone one stock the other sense we want the ability to opt out of sense to have pure android without the need for rooting give us the choice of a faster update with stock or wait for sense you say we make the phone customize it anyway we like but you change so much you make it almost impossible to add custom ringtones even using 3rd party apps we still cant make changes to it ect.. sense can slow it down quite a bit from time to time give us vanilla options
so what i am asking and begging is that you guys leave feedback for them any feedback even if its against faster stock options so that the phones and software will improve and have better options to or liking without the need to root just to get stock and more useability i for one do not want a mutilated ice cream sandwich

Won't work. The average non-tech user likes sense, and doesn't want to deal wtih complications like dealing with vanilla or sense. So it's going to remain this way. Thats why they made it easy for you to root, cause if you are interested you have the choice.

LOL!
HTC will not be removing its proprietary software anytime soon. That's how it makes its money. Companies pay to put bloatware in HTC Sense.
Why would HTC give customers the option to chose Sense or stock? I don't see your logic behind it. From a business standpoint, this is absolutely ridiculous.
You have to look at both sides. As customers, it would be great to have that choice. But it would not make sense (no pun intended) for HTC to do this from a business standpoint.
If you want stock, get a Nexus. Or root and put your own AOSP ROM.

im not expecting pure as snow of course i expect some bloat but before they do a full customization they had to make a runnable stockish version for each phone and drivers first so its not like they have to do more work that comes after they start trying to port sense so im not asking for much just no sense Samsung phones you can flash the new update all i want is for them to provide two options available after you buy the phone an an update rolls around and did not ask for root did i

Why would it not make sense? From a business stand point, look how many users of HTC phones are coming on to XDA and downloading custom ROMs, including vanilla Android ROMs. And clearly by the amount of "newbie" questions that constantly show up, more and more, its obvious more people want this option. To ignore this growing segment of users would be a bad business move.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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GManLynx said:
Won't work. The average non-tech user likes sense, and doesn't want to deal wtih complications like dealing with vanilla or sense. So it's going to remain this way. Thats why they made it easy for you to root, cause if you are interested you have the choice.
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with your warranty removed or effected yes

andyln3 said:
Why would it not make sense? From a business stand point, look how many users of HTC phones are coming on to XDA and downloading custom ROMs, including vanilla Android ROMs. And clearly by the amount of "newbie" questions that constantly show up, more and more, its obvious more people want this option. To ignore this growing segment of users would be a bad business move.
That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.
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Because, in HTC's eyes, Sense is A PART OF THEIR PRODUCT! They're not going to strip down their product, which is a focal selling point on their devices, for a hand-full of tech enthusiasts who want vanilla android. Google activates 550,000 new Android phones per day. The portion of that 550,000 that want vanilla Android is less than 10%. Which means the other 90% want a phone that's good straight out of the box with all the goodies.
It's called a target market.
The target market that HTC is catering to are the new android users, which produce the most profit. Sense is easy to use for noobs, it's flashy and gives the WOW factor, and has a lot of premium widgets.
That's more than enough for their target market.
They cater their product to their target market. Simple as that. They know damn well that Google and Samsung are already targeting power users with the Nexus product line. If HTC were to go into that market, they'd be the late movers. It wouldn't be profitable to them.
I'm a business man. As a marketing officer for my company, it's my job to know this stuff

LPChris47 said:
Because, in HTC's eyes, Sense is A PART OF THEIR PRODUCT! They're not going to strip down their product, which is a focal selling point on their devices, for a hand-full of tech enthusiasts who want vanilla android. Google activates 550,000 new Android phones per day. The portion of that 550,000 that want vanilla Android is less than 10%. Which means the other 90% want a phone that's good straight out of the box with all the goodies.
It's called a target market.
The target market that HTC is catering to are the new android users, which produce the most profit. Sense is easy to use for noobs, it's flashy and gives the WOW factor, and has a lot of premium widgets.
That's more than enough for their target market.
They cater their product to their target market. Simple as that. They know damn well that Google and Samsung are already targeting power users with the Nexus product line. If HTC were to go into that market, they'd be the late movers. It wouldn't be profitable to them.
I'm a business man. As a marketing officer for my company, it's my job to know this stuff
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its not stripped is providing the option for those who want it device will still ship with sense that wont change but there will be an option available what is there to argue against they had to make a stock version before porting sense ? they can lock it down all they want im just asking for is a build along the line of the htc desire z for tmobile and btw from a business standpoint all your customer will be more happy not as much complaints and as stated before noobs asking questions about how to root to get stock most of that would be swashed all i was asking is that people ask so the option would be created from those that wanted it and theres nothing wrong with that is there?

btw they have done similar before remember the mytouch European version would be like that but the opposite instead of adding sense would be removing it

superg05 said:
its not stripped is providing the option for those who want it device will still ship with sense that wont change but there will be an option available what is there to argue against they had to make a stock version before porting sense ? they can lock it down all they want im just asking for is a build along the line of the htc desire z for tmobile
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With all due respect, you aren't listening to business reasons as to why HTC won't do it. I'm not arguing that we, as consumers, shouldn't get that choice.
I'm saying that HTC won't do it because it makes no sense for them to do it, from a business standpoint.
HTC doesn’t just sell phones, it offers the “Sense experience”. It even says on the phone “powered by HTC Sense”. So putting stock Android would be against their philosophy (but still better for the users!).
Also, the G2 had one of the shortest life spans that an HTC phone has ever had, according to tmonews.com
It didn't appeal enough to their target market (beginners), because it lacked out-of-the-box functionality. People had to go on the Android market to get stuff that they wanted, but HTC's target market would rather have everything fully functional and to satisfy their needs right out of the box (Friend Stream, HTC mail, HTC clock, etc...)

LPChris47 said:
With all due respect, you aren't listening to business reasons as to why HTC won't do it. I'm not arguing that we, as consumers, shouldn't get that choice.
I'm saying that HTC won't do it because it makes no sense for them to do it, from a business standpoint.
HTC doesn’t just sell phones, it offers the “Sense experience”. It even says on the phone “powered by HTC Sense”. So putting stock Android would be against their philosophy (but still better for the users!).
Also, the G2 had one of the shortest life spans that an HTC phone has ever had, according to tmonews.com
It didn't appeal enough to their target market (beginners), because it lacked out-of-the-box functionality. People had to go on the Android market to get stuff that they wanted, but HTC's target market would rather have everything fully functional and to satisfy their needs right out of the box (Friend Stream, HTC mail, HTC clock, etc...)
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your the one not listening the phones would still ship with sense but...... to stop the buzzing in your ears and make everyone happy they could do this its an optional flash not to be shipped with if someone does not like stock they can flash back sense then can't they 'done I'm not gonna debate it with unopened minded people it as just an idea that those in favor take a few seconds to tell htc or that people share there idea with them in general to make the product better and everyone happy its up to the individual to decide what they want to do with those few seconds be help or debate about it like bureaucrats and get nothing done but talk

superg05 said:
your the one not listening the phones would still ship with sense but...... to stop the buzzing in your ears and make everyone happy they could do this its an optional flash not to be shipped with if someone does not like stock they can flash back sense then can't they
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Okay buddy, whatever you say lol.
Last thing I'll say about this issue is: HTC doesn't have the obligation to "make everyone happy". They're only focused on their target market. Sadly, that's how business works.

HTC Sense is loved by many. The most popular ROMs for the Sensation are just modified Sense ROMs. It's their differentiation from their competitors...no way they do this.

If you want a phone that has a stock android experience.. buy one that has it out of the box. Why would you prefer an HTC phone over say.. Nexus? Because of the OVERALL phone. Both, hardware and software.
Business standpoint for HTC isn't to make every single consumer happy, but instead make money. They make money from Sense. Not from a stock experience.
Its like asking Microsoft to make the Classic 98 theme default out of the box because some people go out of their way to add it.

Good points everyone. Remember, nobody is asking HTC to stop making Sense products. We're simply asking for a choice. An HTC phone comes with Sense by default, wonderful... now give us an option to have the non-skinned experience as well. It's like buying a desktop computer with bundled bloatware. Do you think Windows would have been as successful if you couldn't install a clean, barebones version of Windows? No...everyone would go to something else. We're buying the product. Give us options. Everybody has their own tastes. (why I loathe Apple products ;-)
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andyln3 said:
Good points everyone. Remember, nobody is asking HTC to stop making Sense products. We're simply asking for a choice. An HTC phone comes with Sense by default, wonderful... now give us an option to have the non-skinned experience as well. It's like buying a desktop computer with bundled bloatware. Do you think Windows would have been as successful if you couldn't install a clean, barebones version of Windows? No...everyone would go to something else. We're buying the product. Give us options. Everybody has their own tastes. (why I loathe Apple products ;-)
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I agree.

I can't believe people are even considering HTC would do this
Go buy what you like - but don't expect manufacturers to cater for individual tastes in a single unit. That's what this place is for.

#1, OP. I hated reading your posts because it was like a continuous sentence. I'm calling you out.
Business standpoint. Business standpoint. I keep hearing this word, but I never hear real business analysis. So here we go boys.
For all customers that think HTC should change something, remember, you're just a customer. You are #2 on the totem pole, and their #1 goal is to appease creditors/shareholders in terms of profits, through either interest payments, dividends, or equity accretion (and the amounts that these increase come from Net Income). That means, they need stuff to stand out from their competitors (remember, Android is a fragmented platform, where companies are in monopolistic competition). BRANDING IS THEIR LIFEBLOOD. WITHOUT IT, THEY'LL LOSE TO OTHER COMPANIES. This includes Sense. Got that?
Just because having AOSP will make your life easier, doesn't mean that HTC has to give up their competitive advantages. Just wait for CM to release CM9. It will be better AOSP than what HTC releases anyway.

stock android ROM, AOSP rom, CM9

All,
looking for insight regarding currently available ROM's that would offer the closest thing to CM9 (from what I’ve read CM9 is only available on Tegra3 handsets)? Looking for a 'stock android experience' or AOSP based build... your suggestions are much appreciated.
currently unlocked, running 1.85FW, with CWT recovery...
many thanx,

The closest thing available right now would probably be CleanROM Dev edition 2.0. Check it out in the development section.

CleanROM DE 2 is what I'm running and it's great. It's pretty clean.

Thanks for the input, been running CleanRom v2.2 since yesterday afternoon, and I must say not very impressive at all... guess I’ll just need to keep waiting for that true android experience I crave so badly.
The change log listed for CleanRom v2.2. does not give any indication that carrierIQ has been removed (which is another huge disappointment for this ROM)
any idea how long we're looking at for a decent AOSP ROM to be released? month? two months?

100%digital said:
Thanks for the input, been running CleanRom v2.2 since yesterday afternoon, and I must say not very impressive at all... guess I’ll just need to keep waiting for that true android experience I crave so badly.
The change log listed for CleanRom v2.2. does not give any indication that carrierIQ has been removed (which is another huge disappointment for this ROM)
any idea how long we're looking at for a decent AOSP ROM to be released? month? two months?
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Clean ROM DE is different from what you are running. Check the dev section. As for an AOSP ROM...who knows. There are a lot of factors involved.
Rabble rabble rabble.

If I understand correctly, you'll have to wait until we get S-Off so we can flash boot.img. Once that's achieved, it will be possible to flash full ROM's. But there are still a lot of things that need to be figured out, like getting the camera working, Wifi, GPS, data, etc.
Maybe the Cyanogenmod developers will get lucky and it'll work out of the box.

jmattp said:
Maybe the Cyanogenmod developers will get lucky and it'll work out of the box.
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You know that never happens =)

jmattp said:
If I understand correctly, you'll have to wait until we get S-Off so we can flash boot.img. Once that's achieved, it will be possible to flash full ROM's. But there are still a lot of things that need to be figured out, like getting the camera working, Wifi, GPS, data, etc.
Maybe the Cyanogenmod developers will get lucky and it'll work out of the box.
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That's not correct. We can flash boot images just fine through fastboot now. Just need s-off to flash kernels through recovery. Once HTC releases the source for our phone more ROMs will follow, including AOSP ROMs I'm sure. Source is needed to help create custom kernels.

I've never understood that rationale, buy an HTC phone that you know will be packed with sense etc then go back in time to bare bones android. Why not save your money and buy something like a Samsung, Motorola, LG, etc. With a barebones android os? Lol my rant
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eraste said:
I've never understood that rationale, buy an HTC phone that you know will be packed with sense etc then go back in time to bare bones android. Why not save your money and buy something like a Samsung, Motorola, LG, etc. With a barebones android os? Lol my rant
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Because the only device running stock Android 4.0 is the Galaxy Nexus. I've gone through several of them and they all had the same purple tint, weird crosshatch pattern visible on white images, distortion/noise at low brightness, and other issues related to the Pentile SAMOLED display. Besides that, I can't think of any other device that runs stock Android.
I especially can't think of any Android phones that look as nice as the One X. I like its unibody construction, machined earpiece grill, soft-touch case (the black one anyway, not sure if the white is glossy), the way the glass is slightly above the case like old iPod Nano, and the display itself is really good.
Before Ice Cream Sandiwch, we had maybe the Motorola Droid, the Nexus One, and then the Nexus S. I hate physical keyboards, the Droid was out. Currently, there aren't many choices if you want a vanilla Android device. Actually... there's only one, and the display is a disappointment to me.
In my opinion, the best Android phone available right now is the One X. Knowing that developers are always making custom ROM's for the majority of Android devices, I know that I don't need to let the software dictate my purchasing decision.

eraste said:
I've never understood that rationale, buy an HTC phone that you know will be packed with sense etc then go back in time to bare bones android. Why not save your money and buy something like a Samsung, Motorola, LG, etc. With a barebones android os? Lol my rant
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You realize those manufacturers slap their own crap on top of stock android too, right? Samsung - TouchWiz, Moto - Blur, LG - Whatever the heck they do. Unless you're buying a Nexus device then you're getting a manufacturer skin.
Personally, I buy for the hardware. Though, the stock software has to be tolerable enough to last me until custom roms start coming out.

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That's not correct. We can flash boot images just fine through fastboot now. Just need s-off to flash kernels through recovery. Once HTC releases the source for our phone more ROMs will follow, including AOSP ROMs I'm sure. Source is needed to help create custom kernels.
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so without nand access the One X isn't going to see any AOSP builds? I’m not sure I entirely understand how nand is that important... I mean if you can boot a your own ROM, who cares.
Does HTC typically release the source for their phones as ‘pside15’ indicated that is an important factor in creating ROMs?
Seems like the Cyanogenmod team already has AOSP build for the Tegra handset. HTC One X (with Tegra) source isn’t released…

pside15 said:
That's not correct. We can flash boot images just fine through fastboot now. Just need s-off to flash kernels through recovery. Once HTC releases the source for our phone more ROMs will follow, including AOSP ROMs I'm sure. Source is needed to help create custom kernels.
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Thanks for the correction.

100%digital said:
Thanks for the input, been running CleanRom v2.2 since yesterday afternoon, and I must say not very impressive at all... guess I’ll just need to keep waiting for that true android experience I crave so badly.
The change log listed for CleanRom v2.2. does not give any indication that carrierIQ has been removed (which is another huge disappointment for this ROM)
any idea how long we're looking at for a decent AOSP ROM to be released? month? two months?
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qft.
I LOVE the htc one x for the hardware and its physical appeal, but i also cant wait for some stock android ROMs. The aroma one thats out gets pretty darn close, but its no CM9. Im hoping that in the next two weeks with our new freedom with the unlocked bootloader etc etc.. that we will get more than 2 roms... thats ALL I see currently in the dev section. I shouldnt complain though because obviously I'm no dev.
I feel like the AT&T version was a waste of my money though :/ it just doesnt have enough attention. The only reason I have it instead of the tegra 3 is because of the battery and lte. Otherwise there is literally no other reason I should keep this phone. Does anyone know if the battery life has been improved at all for the international version?

dufort said:
qft.
I LOVE the htc one x for the hardware and its physical appeal, but i also cant wait for some stock android ROMs. The aroma one thats out gets pretty darn close, but its no CM9. Im hoping that in the next two weeks with our new freedom with the unlocked bootloader etc etc.. that we will get more than 2 roms... thats ALL I see currently in the dev section. I shouldnt complain though because obviously I'm no dev.
I feel like the AT&T version was a waste of my money though :/ it just doesnt have enough attention. The only reason I have it instead of the tegra 3 is because of the battery and lte. Otherwise there is literally no other reason I should keep this phone. Does anyone know if the battery life has been improved at all for the international version?
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I'm working on one myself....but because I do not want to release trash and because I have been limited on time over the last week or two...I have not released yet. Sit tight and chill out. Phone hasnt even been out for a month yet...
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Good to see you h8 I liked your stuff on the infuse you taught me a lot
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h8rift said:
I'm working on one myself....but because I do not want to release trash and because I have been limited on time over the last week or two...I have not released yet. Sit tight and chill out. Phone hasnt even been out for a month yet...
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Oh I'm sitting tight, stoked to see what the future is with this device. Just had to vent a bit :banghead:
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100%digital said:
so without nand access the One X isn't going to see any AOSP builds? I’m not sure I entirely understand how nand is that important... I mean if you can boot a your own ROM, who cares.
Does HTC typically release the source for their phones as ‘pside15’ indicated that is an important factor in creating ROMs?
Seems like the Cyanogenmod team already has AOSP build for the Tegra handset. HTC One X (with Tegra) source isn’t released…
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Source has been released for one x tegra...
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There are only so many ways you can debloat the stock roms lol.
Things will pick up once the source is released and devs can start going crazy.

+1
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Because the only device running stock Android 4.0 is the Galaxy Nexus. I've gone through several of them and they all had the same purple tint, weird crosshatch pattern visible on white images, distortion/noise at low brightness, and other issues related to the Pentile SAMOLED display. Besides that, I can't think of any other device that runs stock Android.
I especially can't think of any Android phones that look as nice as the One X. I like its unibody construction, machined earpiece grill, soft-touch case (the black one anyway, not sure if the white is glossy), the way the glass is slightly above the case like old iPod Nano, and the display itself is really good.
Before Ice Cream Sandiwch, we had maybe the Motorola Droid, the Nexus One, and then the Nexus S. I hate physical keyboards, the Droid was out. Currently, there aren't many choices if you want a vanilla Android device. Actually... there's only one, and the display is a disappointment to me.
In my opinion, the best Android phone available right now is the One X. Knowing that developers are always making custom ROM's for the majority of Android devices, I know that I don't need to let the software dictate my purchasing decision.
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Exactly!

[Q] Is The HOX really worth it?

I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?

get SGS3
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!

Buy an iPhone
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hamdir said:
get SGS3
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CM9 we have it already working fully
dropped signal on defected devices only! why isnt this clear enough!
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Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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agree with hamdir..we got all the best roms up and running and got like 3 versions of cm9 which are fully working..what else do you want? and we also got a Paranoidandroid port so again what else would you want...plus windows phone 8 ports should be dropping if the rumoured Tegra 3 chips they would be using would make it easy to port so again i say what else do you want? lol
go and get yourself an s3 my friend and be happy
Think of the One X as the modern HD2 phone with the support we are getting and not even been 3 months since the phone has been released and look what we have already

sabret00the said:
I'm about to get my new phone. And was dead set on getting the HTC One X. But as time's gone on, I'm left more and more unsure of the decision. Between the lack of ROM support which is really just a derivative of HTC's failure to foster/support the open source community in the same way that Samsung has. i.e. SGS3 already having CM9 support. On top of that, now there are things like dropped signals and what-not. I'm wondering whether or not the HOX is really going to be a sound 18 month investment that'll keep me fairly in check with the latest hardware and software developments?
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What answers do you expect in the HOX forum....
SGS3 is not without its issues too, one guy even had his phone set on fire on him. LOL
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sabret00the said:
Samsung isn't an option for me. It's just a brand I've never had an affinity to. Having CM9 working and having official CM support are hugely different things. Not to mention that the hardware in HTCs will never be fully supported die to the use of proprietary drivers.
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seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date

In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!

Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.

Sckank said:
Agree I was actually thinking about switching until I tried S3... The HOX is indeed the best.
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I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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chrisjcks said:
I wouldn't say 'the best', both devices have pros and cons.
- but for what I'm after, beautiful phone, feels premium, awesome screen, OTA updates and dedicated nvidia T3 optimized games, the HOX is definitely the better option for me as I don't require removable battery or sd card slot.
But for me, the screen alone is sooo much better on the HOX, and the screen is always the most important spec of any large touch screen phone.
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Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.

Sckank said:
Yes, or just like I said, the best. ;-)
Oh, the HOX sounds better too.
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use sound enhancer mode it sounds even better..link in my sig

hamdir said:
seriously whats up with all this proprietary talk i don't get it
we have tons of kernel devs doing wonders like Goku said and its just been three month
we just had a completely working linux 3.4 kernel written from scratch by devs and even wifi drivers are being written for scratch
lack of ROM support are you kidding me
we had a fully working CM9 in just one month from release you really think CM9 official will not come? official CM will always favor devices close to the nexus line in terms of release date
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Yeah but on my current device. Despite having all the goodies and kernel development. The camera still doesn't work as good as the stock. There's still sound issues etc. I never read about these things with OMAP devices.
Spewy1 said:
In a word, yes get the hox, I played with an siii today, screen is so dull, touch wiz is awful and from all accounts camera is better on the hox. Don't bother with roms myself as I find the hox works just about perfect on stock.
Do it get the hox!
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Thanks for the reply. I really just want it for the hardware. But rating is over the S3 does bring a smile to my face.

See what happens to SGS3 when SGS4 coming in. HOX will get better support. I mean long term support. Look at SGS2, not much going in in the original development, ICS upgrade are rushed work. I have a SGS2 so I know the dev environment for that phone. Most dev ditch it for Galaxy Nexus or SGS3. Look at SGS1, no official ICS by Samsung lolz, which have the same spec as Nexus S, and reason is Touchwiz related. Yes SGS3 get CM9 first. Now lets see who get CM10 first. SGS2 got a late CM9 cuz of sources. Not only late on releasing sources, but Samsung messed it up. The CM9 devs almost give up(which i'm glad they didnt) and now AOSP roms are better than TW ICS on SGS2. HTC Sensation got CM9 first compared to SGS2(which was released at the same time). See what i did there? Samsung will dump their previous flagship that easy.
Sensation VS SGS2
- same time release with Gingerbread but when ICS rolled out, Samsung released a rushed firmware upgrade and rushed sources, which makes CM9 slower while Sensation got everything working easily in the early CM9 phase. SGS2 had it too, but too many things not working.
- Sensation still got true and RD devs working on, while SGS2 has many winzippers(no offense to anyone) only(see their forums, has it split between 2 development threads). cuz RD devs on SGS2 find it difficult to work with SGS2 sources. I am not sure why, but no updates for months from them, except CM9 team.
SGS3? yeah cuz they got released with ICS so they got CM9 working fast. Now see when Jelly Bean comes. SGS2 has a lot of devs in the early days, but most has ditch it half way. I admit, SGS2 is still a great device. it was a legendary that revolutionize the dual core, but Samsung wasted it when they have a new flagships.
Your choice. if you like changing phones, go for SGS3, cuz you can buy SGS4 afterwards. but if not, go for HOX, more power till the end of its life. else, buy an iphone. much more easier, peace of mind.

I think the HOX is a brilliant phone, and I've had none of the more permanent faults, like the WiFi issue..
Only fault I've had was the yellow spots, but they went away the next day and I haven't seen them since, also I think it was my own fault.. I was in a public place and I was messing about with settings when it started blaring out music, really loud, and I couldn't turn it down, so I applied pressure to the back to silence it.

Your choice in the end.
I've got both devices and will be sending back my SGS3 for a full refund.
Why?
- I prefer Sense,
- I prefer SLCD2,
- I prefer the brightness,
- I prefer the looks,
- I prefer the build,
- I prefer HTCs overall device support including OTAs and longer albeit slower releases of newer Android versions,
- I prefer the helpful guys on this side,
- I prefer the camera
- I prefer the social network integration,
- I prefer the mail app,
etc etc
Both are good phones don't get me wrong, I'll keep saying any user will be happy with either BUT:
- Removable/extendable battery
- Extendable storage
If the above 2 are important to you avoid the HOX and opt for something else, if not an issue the HOX is a good choice out of the 2 top end Android handsets presently.
I'm not going to say buy the HOX over the SGS3 or vice versa, but I do suggest you handle both then make a decision as user experience is better than me or anyone else saying x y or z about the device.

Another opened BS thread, clutter, nothing to learn, boring, pfffff...
To my opinion it's, to yours it's probably not.

Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.

sabret00the said:
Thanks again everyone. As I said, for me thi sis more about hardware purchase than software preference. I'm not too fond of Sense and really haven't played with TW enough to have an educated decision. But ultimately want rid of the bloat and want to be in charge of my own destiny. Hearing that this phone is considered a first class citizen of the community and is most likely to be the successor to the HD2 is what swings it for me. As I'm coming the Incredible S which for all of it's beauty is essentially a third class citizen. I'll look forward to picking up my HOX midweek.
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You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.

Nigeldg said:
You will never get a real successor to the HD2. I highly doubt that there will be a phone released any time soon which will be able to do so much and still have such active development after nearly three years.
The One X is good but Sense is very unnecessary for ICS in comparison to GB and Froyo. TouchWiz on the other hand is actually rather great now. I hated it for older versions of Android but it seems perfect on the SGS3. It's the little details which are really very impressive, and it's just so smooth. And to whoever said the screen on the SGS3 is dull, with all due respect are you an idiot?! It's by far the best phone screen I've used (better than the One X as well).
One more advantage of the SGS3 over the One X is just how simple it is to root. From what I've read about the One X, it's a bit troublesome to root and flash custom ROMs etc. whilst even someone like myself (never flashed a native Android phone before) can easily use Odin and flash things without really having to do too much thinking.
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The one x's screen is better then the s3's... It's sharper and the colours look so much better. Plus u can actually view it in sunlight.
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why do phone manufacturers use a custom skin on there devices?

i see no reason to put time and resources in a skin when vanilla android is good.
also, customers dont have to wait a year to get there updates,
anyway its a question that has always bothered me.
can anyone give me some info on this matter.
thank you.

I thought the custom skins were good on gingerbread, bringing improved design and extra features, but vanilla ICS is gorgeous and I wish people wouldn't mess with it, or they could give a theme option.
I especially hate touchwiz!
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Aden.JD said:
i see no reason to put time and resources in a skin when vanilla android is good.
also, customers dont have to wait a year to get there updates,
anyway its a question that has always bothered me.
can anyone give me some info on this matter.
thank you.
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Suggest a way to distinguish them?
Why will you buy the same product if it's already available in market? You won't. So it's very necessary to add personalized touch for each manufacturer.
Think of coca-cola and Pepsi. Same basic ingredient but still different?
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To each their own I guess. I love the Sense UI from HTC. I've owned 10 or so android phones from Samsung, Motorola, and HTC, and it's night/day experience between the brands.

Aden.JD said:
i see no reason to put time and resources in a skin when vanilla android is good.
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Before ICS "vanilla" Android wasn't very good.

The reason is differentiation. If two phones have exact same hardware, what would make you prefer one over the other is the skin. At least the ordinary customer.
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ordinary people would just look at the design of the phone rather than the specs.
TeeJay might be right that before ics android was not so good.
my first experience with an android phone is with gingerbread and htc sense on top of that.
dont know what it was like before that.
but after playing with a nexus s i already made up my mind.
my next device will be a nexus.

its called differentiation and it's useful to distinguish them from the others. hehe